...he knew

@@tehjamerz explain how he knows, unless that's too difficult for you

Something something captain Marvel woke something something. Media is dead , hollywood woke something. - Quartering

I love the quartering

Soda is very honest and i would consider him one of the most honest streamers BUT i still don't know if Vei has a penis. If Soda is sucking cock it might change my mind about him unless he completely owns up to it and embraces it

huh? bro is acting like he's in charge of the coming of christ. Its a fucking game u nerd.

What? I'm still trying to figure out how Soda thinks a twitch stream isn't fair use. I suppose if the NFL streamed on twitch we probably wouldn't be allowed to react to those easily. Maybe Soda is big braining us but I won't believe it until I see it

@@xxx0ox0 fair use. require it be transformative. that can be thru editing or added value. you cant edit a livestream live. If i streamed me watching Soda stream i would not be adding stuff.

@@martin14madsen yeah, since then I've been looking at fair use and everything is so biased. On paper I think Soda is right and I didn't want to doubt him because he's been doing it for so long. My biggest question was how is he going to enforce it and while looking through comments, youtube videos, and twitch TOS he does have a leg to stand on

Like or hate the guy it's hard to argue what you're saying. We that said how does Soda go around fair use of a twitch stream? I am not against it because he is literally creating something awesome with awesome people but how does he do it?

​@@xxx0ox0 Fair Use is just a soft landing for video-based content. By law it doesn't cover you in any way; people started to use it because of copyright issues incase their ass catches fire.

@@xxx0ox0compare it to how people live stream sports and get taken down for stealing that type of monetized content while it’s live. It’s a different ball game from streaming actively and reacting to it after the fact and putting it on KZfaq.

I do not buy it until someone tells me how he bypasses a twitch stream not being fair use. Maybe I am missing something i am actually all open ears

At least he's selling coffee now...

I watched and listened to him and a couple of political commentary youtubers before, and realized their content is a waste of time since I no longer find it entertaining. Made my internet life more enjoyable.

​@@smikethehandicappedfriend Its not gonna get that for. Also just talking over the video isent all that is required for a court to deside if it is fair use. There are multiple factors that can determine if a court would apply fair use to it assuming it even went that far and adding commentary is just 1 of those factors.

no that's stupid, whoever is reacting will also be on the screen and commenting once and a while which makes it fair use and to not even understand this is baffling stupid because soda and all of otk all do this to other people's content all the time.

@@user-xu5xj3ym4k Just becouse u add some commentary dosent guarante that a court would say its fair use. There are multiple factors that a court would need to take into consideration and just becouse u check 1 of them dosent automaticly make it fair use as mutch as ppl would like to think it does. The reson why very few have even got to court is becouse its simply not worth the trouble even if u know u are 100% right and even if u win your not gonna make the money back from what u spend on your legal costs. To many youtubers a reaction is seen as a free advertisment. Not everyone think that ofc but most do and if most ppl dident think that there would be ALOT more claims on videos then there actually is and reaction style content would not be as popular as it is today.

DMCA is little bit too much hassle tbh. This most simply falls under twitch guidelines. Cant restream other stream if they say no.

​@@JasperJHNS Even if that is true Twitch cant simply remove footage unless the owner files a DMCA complaint on the stream vod. ppl can say they dont allow ppl to restream there streams all they want, Twitch cant do anything until an official complaint is filed. Just saying they wont allow anyone to do it on a stream dosent mean anything if they dont send in a complaint on the video itself. If Twitch does start to remove streams without a proper request asking for it they could lose there safe harbor protection that protects Twitch from getting sued if streamers stream copyrighted material like full movies or TV shows.

​@@smikethehandicappedfriendnope its even in the twitch rules. You are not allowed to restream other streams without permission, do you even realize the amount of problems this would cause if it was allowed lmao? Every clip channel that you see even this one can be taken down by soda if he wanted to.

People have been seeing clip channels so much they think it's 'okay' when in reality every clip channel could be struck down immediately and court won't bother. Fair Use is only for adding actual context to the video that is seen as transformative, in other words you have to make it your own video. With monetized tv it's an even different ball game@@julose2678

Fair use sure, i think soda misspoke tbf about DMCA. It falls under twitch guideline/tos. Can't restream without permission or cant stream if the streamer says you are not allowed (i dont remember with way it is). Kick is a problem tbh. They will not do shit. So maybe you can use DMCA logic there somehow, i dunno.

@@julose2678 it's in the twitch rules but it's not in the law. if they restream it on youtube or kick they can't do anything about it because it is fair use. the reason twitch is different is because their policy has special rules in place. The reason you can't restream live NFL footage has nothing to do with fair use, but instead broadcasting rights. Streaming another person's stream is different than streaming a company's stream, which is sad but thats the law. Individual streamers have far less "ownership" than copyrighted broadcasts owned by corporations.

@@davidsantiago7808 its not im sorry, streaming someone else's stream is literally the same as streaming someone else's youtube video. that's why if you are a clip channel you have to have the streamers permission or they can take your videos down easily. And streaming someone else's stream is the same thing. Like use logic for once are you telling me I can create a youtube channel and just stream sodapoppins stream the entire time? ofcourse not, and multiple people would be doing that. A stream is literally the same thing as a video for copyright, you can not just stream it or create videos of it. unless it is transformative.

Kick isn't shit I have never been on that site never will be lol it's for all the edgy streamers that wanna be the exception in society

twitch is the only site that disallows restreaming someone elses stream. The quartering is on youtube thats why he's going to do it.

​@@davidsantiago7808 now if only there were viewers there.

It's Blizzard's content

You don't get how any of it works. Thanks for sharing that.@@robosuit

well that wont go well for streamers then either since alot of them watch youtube videos while live (asmongold is a prime example), which they never asked for permission to view while streaming in the first place. it goes both ways and it does give the impression that they want to make money off other peoples content but get mad when they have others doing it to them.

@@robosuit No its not. The vehicle may be blizzard but the people inside it are not. They are reacting to streamers in that vehicle, not the vehicle itself. If that were the case then they can watch the raid teasers.

Cringe

he also threatened to blacklist people on a whole server in original classic wow and that didint go over well either and he did nothing since he was casting a big shadow in a attempt to intimidate people just like he is now, and just like then it most likely wont go anywhere again.

Legally no, but it would be a community guideline violation, so Twitch could act on that and remove the restreamed content. This could be done by all streamers that stream the raid, so its not like there are no repercussions (in theory). But I am aware how unreliable Twitch is with their guideline violations. DMCA does not apply here, but I guess for a content creator IPR, copyright, and community guidelines all blurs into a single thing.

@@h3llraizer even without twitch being a cesspool of hypocrisy and unreliability, people can just restream the streams on youtube and kick. I don't think the quartering is gonna stream on twitch when his main audience is on youtube.

@@davidsantiago7808 Sure, but you're missing the point, I think. Preventing ANY kind of restreaming is impossible and Soda is not really trying to do that (IMO). He is talking about the other big Twitch streamers that did not participate and might "leach" off of their work. The Quartering is not among the people he is talking about. He can't do much regarding Kick, as they don't give a fuck anyway. I am not sure how KZfaq works, but if the restream is transformative enough, then he can't do much either. He knows this, I mean he does this shit for a few years now. What he is trying to say is that there are consequences for restreaming their raids. I would imagine that Soda would think twice about to working together with people that ignore his request in the future. Just because you cannot prevent a restream from happening, does not mean that there are no professional consequences for the people that ignore his request. Networking if fucking important in the streamer sphere after all.

@@h3llraizer i understand sodas intentions are good it's just not really enforcable sadly, outside of twitch i mean. tbh i wouldnt be surprised if he made the comment to be like this on purpose because he knew twitter would take it badly and it would get more eyes on the raid/guild. Good amount of drama react andy content to circle jerk with.

@@davidsantiago7808 Okay, let me try to explain what I think his thought process is. Soda is a professional content creator. He has been for a long time, one of the OG's if you will and the has the pull/cloud to match that. What is the #1 rule for CC's? You DO NOT copyright strike (or what ever you wanna call it) another CC. You just don't. If he is willing to kick that rule into the bin, that should tell you how serious he is taking this. Restreaming their raids will have consequences for whoever ignores his request. You have to understand that he is part of OTK, who are a big part of the core of the Austin streamer scene. If you make yourself a persona non grata there, you have made a lot of enemies in one of the two big CC networks. This is a huge risk to your career. It does not matter if he can or cannot prevent all restreams. The fallout from restreaming the raid might be worse than a community guideline strike. Much worse.

you think soda of all people gives a single shit about his "standing" or "reputation"?

I'm pretty sure that's not what he's saying, even if you ask, he will not allow it unless you are a part of the guild.

I think fair use term is flown around too much. Simply this falls under Twitch guidelines. Can't restream other people's streams if they disallow that.

I kinda doubt that anyone in the guild would really go against this decision, though. After all, Soda is doing this entirely to support the smaller and less lucky streamers who have nonetheless been contributing to the guild, its events, and its community, but won't be getting much out of it come raidtime (at first, at least). It comes off as gatekeeping, but it's actually a rather altruistic sentiment, imo, and I can totally see the rest of the guild wanting to help their benchies vs. letting all of the views get gobbled up by giant variety streamers who have nothing to do with anything. Soda's also already explained why there isn't a going to be a "second" raid team. It's because in his (and many of the other WoW streamers/player's) experience, "off teams" generally just don't *do* as well in general - they don't have the same kind of focus, attention, and energy going into them, and they also do much worse in viewer engagement. In hardcore, all of that is a recipe to wipe away a lot of people's really hard work with very little payoff for them (or anybody, really), which would really be a downer. Especially, again, for the smaller streamers involved, who really deserve to get their moment of glory. Realistically, a lot of OnlyFangs sucks. There are gonna be deaths, and disasters, and most benches are prolly gonna end up hopping in *eventually*. It's less about Soda "milking it", and more about him being fair to everyone, and having respect for the fact that this is literally their livelihood.

i think his point was who cares about the whole thing especially the wow part, since its just a content guild-raid, its only pointed towards react ppl who wants to enjoy/leech off the content live without having hard time playing the game. other than those ppl hes wondering why care? esp non gaming/wow content creator

Why are you spamming comments here? Who cares about "fair use", did you even watch the video? All his points are reasonable, it's not about the law. It's about the fact that it's a streamer guild and the ravenous react-vultures will swoop in and dilute the views away from the streamers in the guild who have to sacrifice their time to be sitting around as backup players. It's more about morality than law, the law can shove itself right where the sun doesn't shine. This is not even slightly, even remotely about the law. This is about the morality of it, and it's a very noble gesture by Sodappopin that shows a deep set respect to his guildies. Any other take on this is just nonsense drama farming.

@xxx0xo0 you are crazy

@@Promethazine_Lozenges what part? Asking what he can do to stop other people from watching a stream or not believing your favorite youtuber isn't all knowing?

​@@knd4rkst4r"the law can shove itself where the sun don't shine" hahaha. "My feelings matter more than the law" lol pathetic.

@@guy2006 again grossly missing the point.

how are people this lost on what fair use is? So many complete idiots thinking everything is fair use. no fuck face fair use requires you to do a lot of editing.

It is fair use but under twitch guidelines it is against their guidelines, if hes restreaming it on youtube or like kick or something either than twitch then yeah he cant do much, the guideline was created to stop people from restreaming other streams content without consent. So yes, Quartering is right it is fair use outside of twitch but soda is right that he can do it within Twitch itself. Overall he doesnt care he just doesnt people like Asmon who said they would join the guild but not join leech content off them sicne the guild was created as a content guild, if they joined the guild and arent part of the raid group he doesnt really care.

Well... Kick is a problem, but if you are streamer on twitch, and stream someone else's TWITCH stream on TWITCH and they say you can't do that, and you still continue to do that. That is bannable offense on twitch and can get you banned. And this invloves big streamers, so they 100% gonna catch a ban. But like I said, Kick is problem, hard to DMCA or do anythign against that. Soda used word DMCA; but i think that is little bit wrong term to use. Twitch guidelines is the key word here. Now someone else might ask, why people can react to other people's vods and clips. That actually does not fall under the guidelines. Vods i think you can argue, but clips are free use all the way on twitch. But even there is rabbit whole, if you watch someone's twitch vod that is uploaded to youtube and watch that, that is 100% free use also. So you right and wrong. HE CAN, but not with DMCA. DMCA is more if they upload to their reacting content to youtube or other paltforms.

@@JasperJHNScan’t spell hole correct so I don’t believe anything you said

​@@krad1314you're actually mentally ill no one in the comments is even trying to defend their points. While I do not know this is true your statements seem 1000% less valid than this guy with a real argument who spelled a word wrong(cuz eff you it's the internet we do not have time to proof read a stupid message) rather than lol this guy is dumb

@@xxx0ox0 😂😂😂😂😂

How is it dumb? The whole point of the guild, and I mean the WHOLE point, was to create a massive sphere of content creation. The purpose of all that falls apart when you have a bunch of people leeching views through their own reactions without actually being in the guild. The only dumb take here is trying to defend react channels through any "fair use" bullshit.

Its not dumb "take". Yeah it might be dumb decesion in some people's eyes, but its not a take, its a fact.

Agreed, i am not a twitch streamer but I am seen a few arguments that are their TOS that say they can't just watch other streamers. If this is true Soda is putting this down as common knowledge to him, because he has streamed for so long, that we do not miss the assumed point. This is all I could find out but I am genuinely curious!

@@TheAluvisify Literally half the guild engages in this kind of content and are attempting to pull the ladder up behind them, please cease.