randomgal190 Well, he's the reason the elven society fell, AND why there's a big ass hole in the sky in the first place. He has no room to talk.

peoplemcnuggetz yes to everything you said. none of that stops him from being too prideful though

randomgal190 Lol, yea. What to expect from a guy who's name literally translates to pride. I just like how he meets his match with Vivienne. They're both arrogant as hell ha

And yet, for all Solas’ posturing and ranting Here he is, trying to fix things “How sorry are you?”

@@commandercritic9036 . He is not trying to fix things. Lol. He is only using the Inquisition to screw things again in his own way.

BlazeIgnitus Not just tevinter, the qunari also have (some sort of) slavery. Also most of Thedas uses elves as servants which is also a kind of slavery. Poor Dorian!

It's because he did it back in Arlathan that he thinks Dorian will be able to do the same once he is a magister.

And for what it's worth dorian IS reforming tevinter. It's about as sorry as anyone can be. Except for destroying the rest of the world to undo your past mistake, that is.

Sure. I don't think Solas expects Dorian to be able to do that alone. But working towards it, contributing? If he's really sorry, he'll do that.

Is it ironic or sad that every major issue in Thedas has the exact same solution? Want to make up for destroying Elven history? Free all Tevinter slaves! Want to stop mistreatment of Mages? Don't lock them up in Circles! Want to start treating City like everyone else? Free them from the Alienages and give them better lives! Want to be free to do whatever you want? Stop assigning one job for life under the Qun! it goes on, and on, and when people show them how to do something, whether it's the right way or not, it's viewed as extreme and causes more problems than solutions!

In a sense weren't most slaves especially those of the Imperium, paid servants? The Servus Publicum, or whatever it's called?

Agree and being fair on Vivienne and Varric there isn't much for them to learn from their time with the inquisition but with Viv you at least see different sides of her personality depending on your personal relationship with her and in Sera's case she's still young and makes the active choice to be a somewhat ignorant, obnoxious ass but her heart is at least in the right place and who's to say she won't grow as a character if she's brought back for Dread Wolf Rises?

@@JazzyRiot79 That is true. It made me remember her visible vulnerability when her friend died (which I hope was genuine grief...her actions after that made me almost cry with frustration to think that she had seemed to open herself up but then turned around and used the death in a superficial way). I love it when there's a conversation about mages and I can hear the gears turning in her head like "oh, that's a new perspective" and at least listening and engaging. I guess I didn't travel with Sera as much, heh heh. I do agree that her heart's in the right place and though my Inquisitor kinda chewed her out (stern papa Lavellan-mode XD ) after the incident with the Count, the Inquisitor also admitted that she was right to act on what the Count was doing. I hope she's in the Dread Wolf Rises! :D I'd be pumped if I could recruit the Red Jennies as like spies or informants. :)

@@lauranimbus8092 Vivienne definitely cared about Bastien but she also realizes despite her influence, she is still a mage hanging around nobles and now has lost the nobleman she was lovers with which makes her a small fish surrounded by piranhas. It's just like with GoT, no matter how much you're personally grieving you still have to rationally plan ahead and use whatever you can to your advantage in the Grand Game or else it will chew you up and leave you for dead or worse, Vivienne is definitely more passionate and emotional than she allows herself to openly show though & Sera can be very fun to hang around but just like with Vivienne she tends to be judgy towards things outside of her realm of knowledge, mostly out of fear or bad past experiences so while it can be frustrating it is also understandable and she nonetheless puts her dislikes aside most times for the sake of those who get close to her (her eventual friendship with Cole, friendship with Dorian for being a mage, her friendship with Blackwall even after finding out the truth about him, her friendship with Lavellan after the well of sorrows even) honestly Sera to me at least is an underrated character and a very good friend/little sister figure but pretty toxic lover.

@@lauranimbus8092 that all being said I do like the fact that Sera very much so has her own beliefs that she sticks to strongly instead of her beliefs being easily changed through a quick companion quest like I've seen in a lot of games, it makes her feel more grounded and real as character even if it is a bit of a flaw in her personality, she holds her boundaries tight but doesn't let them blind her.

Dorian does do this after Inquisition! I like to think that Solas/Sera/Elven Inquisitor gave him kind of a wake up call & made him challenge his own misconceptions

@@smorch9322 Really? If he did, then that is good. I never had any mage but myself in the team. My mage was also always an female elf, in which I romanced Solas or Josephine.

So shouldn't Solas be apologizing to all the elves in Thedas for fucking up their culture, destiny, lives by putting up the Veil? Such hypocrisy.

Ironically Solas doesn't even have the right to talk, when he is trying to destroy the world again, as everytime he has a tantrum.

@@SeventhheavenDK why is you logic so dumb??? I've already seen this in so many comments! Maybe Solas isn't doing the right thing in trying to cast the veil down that doesn't make his criticism/opinions automatically invalid!!!

@@SeventhheavenDK yeah, no, there's way more to it than that.

Despite having destroyed them. The Tempal of Mythal proved that Tevinter had nothing to do with the downfall of the elves. They did that to themselves. But no, Solas couldn't tell that to Dorian, so he rides him instead about the Tevinter slaves. Two wrongs don't make a right, Solas.

he is not trying to destroy the world. It's just the inevitable consequence.

@@sprendinea and...he is still destroying the world on a whim...again.

And the world is ok at the moment? I understand that another way must be found (I hope to convince Solas of this in the next game and work with him to achieve it) but how is the red lyrium, oppression of so many different peoples, and Blights livable conditions? If anything the current Thedas is clawing its way towards a post-apocalypse. "With great power comes great responsibility." I guess I never saw as Solas having "destroy the world" as his end goal. He never even says it is a certainty ("even IF it destroys this one"). Yes, as far as we know destroying the Veil would destroy the world; at least in part from societies and regimes built around confining magic to the powerful or those easily controlled being brought down. Yet, we'd be so eager to damn Solas if he just shrugged and never even tried to set things right. It would be against his nature to opt out and let things continue when he knows they can and should be better. Sorry for the long explanation. :( I often feel like a silent section of the Dragon Age populous who didn't romance anyone.

@@lauranimbus8092 Solas does not have the right to decide this, though. Not even remotely. His actions would, doubtlessly, result in the death of millions, if not billions. He does not have the right to change the world yet again just because he thinks it is the right thing to do or because, down the road, things *might* be better. What is important is the present, not the past or a possible future, and the people currently alive have a right to live and to continue living, possible utopia or lost glory be damned.

And if that don't pan out, just perform genocide! That's surely not the greatest moral evil, right?

Yeah, just put up a veil and see what happens, right, Solas? The elves themselves destroyed Arlathan and not Tevinter. Why don't you mention that to Dorian?

I don't think that was the point. Forget would or should for a second. This is a matter of if/when someone COULD at all . Sure, intentions and obligations are neat, but how far can they go? That's the point, and not only in Dorian's case. For what it's worth, Solas isn't blaming or hating Dorian. This much is evident. It's like a five-year old saying "I'll solve world hunger!" only for their parent to say "please...please don't say that unless you know HOW'"

@@optimaltt6070 Sorry, your wrong. It's not about semantics here, Dorian repeatedly shows a desire to make things right, and Solas is repeatedly an ass about it. When Dorian says he didn't think he could, he obviously means it exactly like he said it. But Solas is an egotist who can't except failure, even his own. He just can't except that a person can do everything right, and still loose. Remember, Solas is trying to destroy the entire world in order to 'fix' it, despite not actually knowing if that would work (and we see it doesn't when the inquisitor's in the future. Future Solas even admits that). Nothing but perfection will do for this not-god-but-I'm-going-to-act-like-it. Solas IS blaming Dorian too, but that is easy to miss if you never got certain dialogs. Dorian is repeatedly nice to Solas and tries to be friends with him, and Solas gits snappy for no reason. He clearly holds some prejudice towards Dorian for things the man has no control over. Dorian isn't even in a position TO do anything yet, as he is not a magister, though he is in line to be one in the future. We also know that Solas is very judgmental in general, to the point of being racist, though not in a hatefully why. Also, I don't see what your last statement has to do with topic at hand. No one said 'tell me how or don't try'. Solas is the one told Dorian if he didn't get results he wasn't serious, which is very insulting considering several Archons died trying to end slavery. They literally lost everything and the only thing Solas's has to say about it is 'they weren't sorry enough'. I even hate the idea that they should be sorry! THEY didn't do anything wrong, and guilt should not be the motivating factor in doing the right thing anyway!

Tevinter is in no way responsable de thee opresaion of Mages. Peoples ignorance and hypocrisy is. The truth is a lot of people in thedas believe that the imperium is so depraved because it is rules by mages, and in reality the rest of thedas is equally depraved. Blood magic? We know it is not inherently evil. Slaves? Elves around thedas are slaves even if they now have the title of servants. Opresión of the poor and the centralization of power for a select elite group? Every damn kindom, empire and country on thedas has this.

People should fear mages. Way too much damn power without little conscience for the consequences of their actions.