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Soloing over a II V I with Pentatonic scales - Modern Jazz Improvisation!

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Jens Larsen

Jens Larsen

Күн бұрын

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@Silh4116
@Silh4116 8 жыл бұрын
The more I grow, the more I come back to your channel!
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you! That's quite a compliment!
@mqb788
@mqb788 6 жыл бұрын
This is probably one of the best guitar lessons on youtube.
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much MQ B! 🙂
@justinlee9756
@justinlee9756 6 жыл бұрын
Dearest Jens, i have been so fortunate as to have been blessed with a subscription to your channel of jazz guitar content. It is the right time in my guitar life to be working with you. My taste have grown to truly appreciate and enjoy the sound/soul/ and all that belongs to the jazzer. Your calm demeanor and proactive practices resonate with my inquiries. I wanted to say thank you and i really appreciate all you are doing Thanks, Justin from New Orleans Louisiana
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Justin! That is really great to hear! I hope you find what you are looking for and otherwise feel free to ask on a video, then I can (hopefully) help you!
@MrJoeyBoombotz
@MrJoeyBoombotz 8 жыл бұрын
This may be the best jazz lesson of its kind anywhere.The licks are great.I'm very grateful and appreciative of you sharing your brilliant insights and work product. Every note in these licks I can use to enhance the solos I am working on. You are a very kind and generous person. I feel a little guilty though. Hopefully I can find a way to afford some way to study with you a while.
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 8 жыл бұрын
+MrJoeyBoombotz Thank you Joey! I am glad you like the video. There's a ton of free stuff on the channel so all of that you can easily afford! If you want to help me just share the lessons on Facebook, twitter or something similar, that way you help me spread the word!
@MrJlee250
@MrJlee250 5 жыл бұрын
Love this channel, the best I’ve found this far. Jens is one of the best guitar professors I’ve come across. So grateful for the content he’s worked hard on to share his knowledge.
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! I am glad you found it useful! If you have any suggestions for topics or things you are looking for the feel free to let me know 👍
@40141rgr
@40141rgr 6 жыл бұрын
I wanted to know some Jazz Basic concepts. This lesson is so inspiring. Couldn't stop playing in this mood for hours. Thanks for sharing this lesson to a young guitarrist.
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 6 жыл бұрын
Really happy to hear that Raffaele! 🙂
@word67
@word67 8 жыл бұрын
Fantastic. coming from a blues background this is reassuring that Jazz is within my grasp ( finally) always listened to it -- especially 50s and 60's Jazz, but never could call myself a Jazz player
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 8 жыл бұрын
+Charles Proulx Thank you Charles! You know where to find me if you have any questions!
@word67
@word67 8 жыл бұрын
+Jens Larsen Thanks -- that's very thoughtful
@marcosdimagi128
@marcosdimagi128 Жыл бұрын
Very useful Jens a was running out of ideas :) !
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@markchristopher4165
@markchristopher4165 2 жыл бұрын
Great little lesson. Thanks, Jens!
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@richardsorice4509
@richardsorice4509 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Jens,. Thanks for another great lesson. You are an amazing teacher!
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 6 жыл бұрын
+Richard Sorice You are very welcome Richard ☺️
@tomrechsteiner4715
@tomrechsteiner4715 4 жыл бұрын
great lesson Jens, great guitar playing
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Tom 🙂
@willemvannieuwenhuyzen3139
@willemvannieuwenhuyzen3139 Жыл бұрын
I tried for about two years. You are a math guy. So theoretical but useful of course . I can't find you as a player though Or yes one thing I saw in a group and it sounds like dead fish sinking in an aquarium. Good luck. Love you all the same.
@marcromanrosich
@marcromanrosich 9 ай бұрын
Hi! Very good lesson! I also play B minor pentatonic over Cmaj 7 and it sounds great!
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 9 ай бұрын
Cool, thanks!
@alainvey
@alainvey 8 жыл бұрын
This is very helpful. For whatever reason your approach helps me 'get it' more clearly than I have before, if that makes sense :)
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you! It's great to hear that it works for someone! I just try to make the lesson and pick the topic so that it fits the video and the way I can demonstrate it. If you want to help me spread the word then share one of my videos on Faebook or Twitter!
@muzika5853
@muzika5853 7 жыл бұрын
Another great lesson. Thanks a lot Jens!
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 7 жыл бұрын
+Muzika Thank you. Great to hear that you found it useful!
@josiecrotwell8627
@josiecrotwell8627 6 жыл бұрын
another great lesson, thank you! I also use a B pentatonic over a C Maj7, it has that sharp 11 sound, anyway it works for me. I love these examples, thanks as always...
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 6 жыл бұрын
Thansk Ted! Yes the B minor pentatonic is a great way to get a lydian sound, a very nice device 🙂
@LuisEduardoBraschi
@LuisEduardoBraschi 3 жыл бұрын
Gonna try that. I got myself thinking about the F#, then I guess it can be used as a transition to II (Dm).
@wita5593
@wita5593 2 жыл бұрын
Thank You, Very Help full
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 2 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear that
@donfox6879
@donfox6879 8 жыл бұрын
Really some great pentatonic concepts. I definitely plan on using these.
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 8 жыл бұрын
+Don Fox Great that you can use them Don! Thanks for checking it out!
@FrancinniSoret1
@FrancinniSoret1 7 жыл бұрын
"The more I grow, the more I come back to your channel!"*2 Thank you!!!
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you Francinni! Keep at it!
@2010bk15
@2010bk15 7 жыл бұрын
Great help for piano ..Thank You! You teach well.
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 7 жыл бұрын
That's great! Always happy when it also works for other instruments! 😃
@ikamran134
@ikamran134 8 жыл бұрын
awesome lesson. just amazing
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 8 жыл бұрын
+ikamran134 Thanks man! Glad to hear you like it!
@piotrhobbysta5614
@piotrhobbysta5614 8 жыл бұрын
Very interesting knowledge. Once I've thought that pentatonic is strongly related to blues and rock, but it's impossible to play solos in jazzy way. Yet it's possible, so interesting are the theoretical aspects - factors making that using the same mode/scale, comparable players can play jazz or rock. I would like toadd - I am beginner, laic, not professional or advanced player.
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 8 жыл бұрын
It is a place to start if you already know the pentatonic scale. You can always expand later!
@piotrhobbysta5614
@piotrhobbysta5614 8 жыл бұрын
+Jens Larsen Yes, I know pentatonic. So I will try to learn more and also read. If I wouldn't read the title on pentatonic and only listen this short jazz solos, I wouldn't suppose that it's played using pentatonic. It's very interesting question for me.
@cesarederossi3903
@cesarederossi3903 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this great lesson!
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 7 жыл бұрын
Glad you like it Cesare! 😀
@dkwvt13
@dkwvt13 5 жыл бұрын
Great lesson on the versatility of pentatonic applications. I've always used bits and pieces but never taken the time to study the structural relationships. This and the lesson using Lady Bird are going straight into my playbook! BTW the LadyBird material was also very helpful for the jam last Sunday, we will be revisiting along with the Segway to the Miles piece... 😎. Thanks as always!
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 5 жыл бұрын
That's great Donald! Did you see the video on using pentatonics on Lady Bird? (You might have commented on it already, but then I forgot :)
@dkwvt13
@dkwvt13 5 жыл бұрын
Jens Larsen yes I did, I watched them together, a real eye opener. I never considered taking pentatonic that deep, I always thought they were a “cheat”. How wrong...! Thank You so much!
@ThomasBrankin
@ThomasBrankin 4 жыл бұрын
You are a great teacher
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! 😃
@petertinning899
@petertinning899 8 жыл бұрын
Nice, Jens! There's - as I'm sure you know - also the possibility to play a-minor pentatonic over the Dm7, Bb-minor pentatonic on the G7, and b-minor pentatonic on the Cmaj7, which gives you the root, 9th, 11th, 5th, and 7th on the Dm7 chord, and b9, b10 (or #9), #11, b13, and 7th on the G7 chord, and 9th, major 3rd, #11, 6th, and maj7 on the Cmaj7 chord, which gives you a rather lydic sound. And the possibility to really play your pentatonic ideas chromatically ascending through the changes.
@petertinning899
@petertinning899 8 жыл бұрын
+Peter Tinning Not lydic, off course, lydian....
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks Peter! Yes I did cover that in one if the other lessons on pentatonic scales ☺
@petertinning899
@petertinning899 8 жыл бұрын
+Jens Larsen Oh... Sorry - didn't watch them all;-)
@petertinning899
@petertinning899 8 жыл бұрын
+Peter Tinning I think I saw it long ago in a Scot Henderson instruction video..
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 8 жыл бұрын
Peter Tinning Didn't think you did, but consider it homework! :D
@gerardletang6909
@gerardletang6909 8 жыл бұрын
Merci Jens.
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 8 жыл бұрын
+Gérard Létang You're very welcome Gerard!
@OriginalEyeball
@OriginalEyeball 7 жыл бұрын
Great!So i could move this down a whole step and use it in my Bb Jazz/Blues 👍🏻
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 7 жыл бұрын
Yes on the last II V I in a Bb Blues it will work really well :)
@OriginalEyeball
@OriginalEyeball 7 жыл бұрын
+Jens Larsen Thanks!It kind of reminds of Scott Hendersons playing but without the whammy bar.
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 7 жыл бұрын
Eyeball Gaming Guitars He does seem to do a lot of stuff with pentatonics!
@Shuzies
@Shuzies 6 жыл бұрын
Jens....I like going back and checking out your videos just to refresh my mind....thank you....ron
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 6 жыл бұрын
That's great Ron! I am actually quite happy with this one even if it is a bit old 🙂
@Shuzies
@Shuzies 6 жыл бұрын
sounds great to me
@Shuzies
@Shuzies 6 жыл бұрын
you got me thinking....is this old .....does it change with time.....so I should only learn new stuff?
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 6 жыл бұрын
No the info is ok, mostly it is me thinking about how good I was at making videos compared to now
@Shuzies
@Shuzies 6 жыл бұрын
Got it ...thanks
@captainlee1
@captainlee1 6 жыл бұрын
Works for me Jens Thanks soooo much from so. California.
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 6 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome! I am glad you like it!
@anwyllonmusic
@anwyllonmusic 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Jens, would it be possible for you to have a lesson about preventing wrist, arm, finger strain. That is, a lesson about how you manage to put hours of practice in, yet avoid things things like Carpel Tunnel syndrone, Joint pain, Tennis elbow, wrist strain etc.
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Anwyll, I am not a doctor so I can't really post medical advice. However I do talk about this in this Q&A video and there's a link to a video in the description that you will get a lot from! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/btOdi7mIsr66mKM.html
@anwyllonmusic
@anwyllonmusic 7 жыл бұрын
Jens Larsen Thanks Jens. Watching Jake's video also!
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 7 жыл бұрын
Good luck with it! I hope you can find some help if you have problems, it really sucks to be unable to play.
@anwyllonmusic
@anwyllonmusic 7 жыл бұрын
Jens Larsen Thanks. Will continue researching. For the most part, it is probably bad technique...with guitar and away from guitar. For instance, typing on a computer I am leaning on my arms, where if i practice proper posture...that takes pressure off. Veel dank!
@chumdm3
@chumdm3 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jens!
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 7 жыл бұрын
+Bradley Carter Glad you like it!
@rexbravo83
@rexbravo83 8 жыл бұрын
Great lesson - especially for us jazz fakers! Just a suggestion: the examples would probably be even better with the chords in the background. That way it would be easier to hear the magic of your lines ... :)
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 8 жыл бұрын
+rexbravo83 I know, but then it would take me too long to make the videos. Maybe in the future :)
@rexbravo83
@rexbravo83 8 жыл бұрын
+Jens Larsen Ok - thanks anyway, and keep it up! :)
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 8 жыл бұрын
rexbravo83 I will do my best!
@UGasto
@UGasto 7 жыл бұрын
Great lesson!!
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you Stefano!
@localpm
@localpm 8 жыл бұрын
Always great Jens.
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you Paul!
@roskotrincheri1467
@roskotrincheri1467 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Jens! over a Cmaj7 i prefer aply a Bminor pentatonic instead a D minor pent. the lesson is great. so the rule can be : iii-vi- vii- minor pentatonic over an I major 7. yOU AGREE? saludos
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you Rosco, of course you can use Bm pentatonic but keep in mind that you are changing the sound of the chord when you do so 🙂
@roskotrincheri1467
@roskotrincheri1467 6 жыл бұрын
yes but im choosing the B note thats the essence of the maj7 chord. in the Dminor pent sound the F ( the F# is an extension )
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 6 жыл бұрын
rosko trincheri I don't say to play Dm on the C chord 🙂
@roskotrincheri1467
@roskotrincheri1467 6 жыл бұрын
you said 3.58 D- E and A minor pent i prefer E-A:B minor pent
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 6 жыл бұрын
And what do I say 2 seconds after that?
@cakrabuana013
@cakrabuana013 Жыл бұрын
Sir...Please make tutorials about pentatonic scale for minor 2 5 1... And pentatonics for jazz blues 12 bar.. n please post the scales name too.. im looking forward to it. Thank you sir.
@aberhan
@aberhan 4 жыл бұрын
Not all great players are also great teachers, but Jens Larsen makes it seem doable (is that a word)?
@canadianrushfan12
@canadianrushfan12 7 жыл бұрын
Great lesson but I found a typo. "For the Cmaj7 I am focusing on getting the entire upperstructure of the chord (an E minor triad), since the only pentatonic scale in Cmajor (it contains Dm, Em and Am pentatonic scales) the has a B is the Em pentatonic so I am using that on the Cmaj7."
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jay! I'll fix it!😀
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 7 жыл бұрын
Fixed :)
@ForeverInBetweenBand
@ForeverInBetweenBand 8 жыл бұрын
Definitely trying this lesson out in my playing. Also, your tone is always fantastic - so round and mellow with amazing sustain. What's your setup?
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 8 жыл бұрын
+easy bake evan Thank you! My tone in my Fractal Audio AxeFx direct into my PC and in the lesson it's the AxeFx into my QSC K10 speaker recorded with a microphone connected to the camera.
@willwigmore9075
@willwigmore9075 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks I do have a question.... but I think I may have partly figured it out. You were discussing what to put over the G7alt. I was confused when you mentioned Ab and then chose a Bb penta to go over it. So you needed a penta scale pulled out of a melodic minor scale for that G7alt....passage. Is that right? Why Ab and why Bb? for that G7 passage.
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 7 жыл бұрын
G7 altered is Ab melodic minor. You can maybe search for altered scale lessons on my channel. I have a few talking about that. And then you are completely right that Bb is the pentatonic scale you have in Ab melodic minor.
@richardsorice4509
@richardsorice4509 6 жыл бұрын
Also, for CMaj7, don't forget the rootless , #11 Bmin pentatonic scale. I probably overuse this one ;)
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 6 жыл бұрын
+Richard Sorice Of course, but I would consider that a reharmonization ☺️
@MrLindeman
@MrLindeman 5 жыл бұрын
Really informative lesson, Lars. Really appreciate it! SML
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 5 жыл бұрын
Glad you like it! 🙂
@zaqintosh
@zaqintosh 8 жыл бұрын
Confused about one detail. in a 2 - 5 -1 the G7alt could just be a plain G7 correct? Will the Bmin pentatonic still work over that?
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 8 жыл бұрын
No, Bmin is a scale that spells out a Gmaj7 not a G7. You'd have to try Em or maybe Dm6 pentatonic?
@Bflatest
@Bflatest 6 жыл бұрын
If I wrote an odd chord progression can you give me some hints on how to play over it?
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 6 жыл бұрын
I probably could, but you are better off learning for yourself 🙂
@ashandesilvaguitarist
@ashandesilvaguitarist 5 жыл бұрын
im here cause i started the free ebook you sent to the subscribers :D
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 5 жыл бұрын
Really? :) Are there pentatonics in that too? I managed to forget in the meantime...
@ashandesilvaguitarist
@ashandesilvaguitarist 5 жыл бұрын
@@JensLarsen the first lick, and there was a reference link to this video :D
@higsonkeys
@higsonkeys 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙏🏻
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 5 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome! I am glad you found it useful 👍🙂
@marshalcraft
@marshalcraft 7 жыл бұрын
Interesting how the pentatonic give the modern jazz feel when going.in thirds or what ever?
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 7 жыл бұрын
True! It is about the melodies not the notes when you play 🙂
@willwigmore9075
@willwigmore9075 7 жыл бұрын
THanks again....I think I play mostly by ear and feel, but I really want to enhance my playing. I have been working on "Embraceable You" by Nat Coly - the Oscar Moore solo. It is so old school and pre rock - I love it. I admit I am in need of more foundational basics to shine at jams. Any suggestions for a veteran player lacking basics? Thanks Will in Oregon
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 7 жыл бұрын
That's a great tune, but then again anything from Nat King Cole is good! :) I guess you should work on having enough scale positions to cover the neck and then try to learn the diatonic arpeggios of that. From there I'd suggest trying to improvise over simple progressions or very simple songs using the arpeggios of the chords.
@Xenouvious
@Xenouvious 8 жыл бұрын
Hi Jens, needless to say: great video as always. Will you do a video about min maj7 chords? I find it quite hard to solo over these because I can't seem to find other choices aside of harmonic and melodic minor, as well as the arpeggio. Also, I've tried to do some research but I have not found any other musical ideas that convince me as much to implement in my own playing. Keep on going!
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Did you check out the lesson I made on melodic minor tonic chords? That is what I'd suggest that you use. There are other options but that one is by far the most common. I will probably make a lesson auggesting arpeggios over a chord like that in the future but I don't know when ☺
@moritzs8132
@moritzs8132 3 жыл бұрын
for the 5 chord you use a scale which has lots of notes which are not in the key of c major. why does that work? (for 2 and 1 every note is in key)
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 3 жыл бұрын
It is from the Altered scale
@florianbruhl2181
@florianbruhl2181 7 жыл бұрын
Hey Jens! I love your lessons! Really appreciate! According to this video I had the idea to also the F minor Blues-Pentatonic on the V Chord, which would include the b9,#9, 3rd (blue note), 4, b6 and b7. Just want to share this idea! And i have a question. Do you have any suggestions for lessons or tunes where chord-melody is shown nicely. Also including basslines, chords and melody at the same time? Thanks in advance and all the best!!
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 7 жыл бұрын
Sure! that works as well, though it isn't a pentatonic scale (since it has 6 notes) I have some lessons on chord melody stuff on my channel. There is a playlist somewhere, and I also have some of my own chord melody arrangements available for purchase: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ityldrCfyKyZcZ8.html
@florianbruhl2181
@florianbruhl2181 7 жыл бұрын
touché ;) and thank you very much!!
@smatchumclimpklot599
@smatchumclimpklot599 4 жыл бұрын
If the G isn't altered, it doesn't work? And if it doesn't work, would it be OK to use the pentatonics over the dm and CM7 but another scale over the G, or does the whole thing break down?
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 4 жыл бұрын
If it is not a G altered then you would use another pentatonic scale, most likely G major.
@hulex24
@hulex24 4 жыл бұрын
Can i use this licks if my dominant chord is not altered? Dm G7 Cmaj
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 4 жыл бұрын
That may sound a little strange, but if whoever is comping you is a little awake then they should follow you 🙂
@hulex24
@hulex24 4 жыл бұрын
@@JensLarsen ok, thanks for all, your videos are very good ( sry for My English)
@luisanaramos2528
@luisanaramos2528 7 жыл бұрын
gracias amigo me sirvió
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 7 жыл бұрын
+nikki sam You are very welcome! Glad you can use it!
@luisanaramos2528
@luisanaramos2528 7 жыл бұрын
Tus videos me han sido de gran ayuda,soy una chica guitarrista de rock y estoy comenzando a entrar a este mundo de la guitarra jazz si pudieras recomendarme algun estudio para principiantes de la guitarra jazz te lo agradeceria.
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 7 жыл бұрын
Maybe try this video and have a look at the list to see if you feel like working on some of the other videos: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ht94i7Fku97Mqmg.html
@GiovanniBottaMuteWinter
@GiovanniBottaMuteWinter 5 жыл бұрын
Do you have a video about avoid notes!
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 5 жыл бұрын
No I don't, it's a better strategy to think about the notes you want to play than the notes you don't want to play 🙂
@danhope77
@danhope77 7 жыл бұрын
I love your lesson. I just don't understand why in Jazz players want to underline chord changes. I mean,I keep practising triads and arpeggios, it is nice playing solos with arpeggios because even without a backing track you can feel the chord changes and the melody moving through, however, I would not say that a solo is better if you highlight chord changes, this is just an aesthetic idea, very subjective, I do really love blues for the fact that often you IGNORE what is going on with the chord changes and just follow a melodic idea that develops in your mind without thinking much...even though, after practicing arpeggios so much, I end up using those notes and targeting the third and the fifth without even thinking of ot...my ear takes me there...but sometimes I feel annoyed, in the sense that I still believe that even with a pentatonic scale and ignoring all the chord changes you can play nice lines on standards such as AUTUMN leaves or Summer time. I mean, spending so much time to underline chord changes sometimes makes me feel a bit autistic and I feel that I need to follow other melodic ideas , somehow simples but very effective. Maybe I need it because I love THE BLUES, don't know. In general I would not say that there is any scientific proof that underlining chord changes makes solos better...jazz has developed in that way, which is lovely, but I don't think that is something to necessarily aim to. Also in modern rock, sometimes I get annoyed when some guitarists highlight cerrain chords with the arpeggios, it sounds a bit pre-prepared and mechanical.
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you! There are a lot of melodies that you can only make if you follow the changes. If you don't like those then don't work on them. If you do you like them then you need to work on following the changes. In that way it is subjective. Compared to a 12 bar blues or most rock pieces the amount of information in a jazz standard is much higher. You can't ignore the changes because you can't play the same notes over the whole song so you have to be aware of where you are in the song. I think the expression is outline the changes btw?
@danhope77
@danhope77 7 жыл бұрын
quote "I think the expression is outline the changes btw?" well , yes and no, I mean, I do follow the changes when I want to, because this is my jazz practice, however, unless I do doing interesting chord substitutions (which I am not very good at yet) I would not say that an 'arpeggios' approach is necessarily more interesting than a 'scale approach'. If I play a standard such as AUTUMN LEAVES using scales (let's say, mainly bebop scale, minor pentatonic blues and harmonic scale) I don't underline chord changes as much as I do with the ARPEGGIOS approach, I don't necessarily target the third and the fifth, or I don't necessarily use chromatic notes that anticipate the new chord, to me this approach is not necessarily worse than the arpeggios approach where you DO REALLY underline all the chord changes. I also find that if you stick to one scale, a pentatonic for example, you kind of play modally and that is interesting too. I am just saying that in general I don't value targeting chord notes more than not doing it...I am just saying that playing arpeggios to highlight changes is just an approach but I don't see why some people (pure jazz players) tend to value it more that any other technique, in the end what matters is the result. It is true that the less ideas (arpeggios, scales, substitutions) you use the more boring you get (and you run out of ideas after a while) but still, better being repetitive that sometimes using many ideas without being very good at that (not your case, but may not very tasteful or experiences jazz players). In the end some of my favourite solos are just basic (harmonically) some very complex solos sound uninteresting...just opinions, obviously. Anyway, love your lessons and your solos.
@danhope77
@danhope77 7 жыл бұрын
quote "I think the expression is outline the changes btw?" well , yes and no, I mean, I do follow the changes when I want to, because this is my jazz practice, however, unless I do interesting chord substitutions (which I am not very good at yet) I would not say that an 'arpeggios' approach is necessarily more interesting than a 'scale approach'. If I play a standard such as AUTUMN LEAVES using scales (let's say, mainly bebop scale, minor pentatonic blues and harmonic scale) I don't underline chord changes as much as I do with the ARPEGGIOS approach, I don't necessarily target the third and the fifth, or I don't necessarily use chromatic notes that anticipate the new chord, to me this approach is not necessarily worse than the arpeggios approach where you DO REALLY underline all the chord changes. I also find that if you stick to one scale, a pentatonic for example, you kind of play modally and that is interesting too. I am just saying that in general I don't value targeting chord notes more than not doing it...playing arpeggios to highlight changes is just an approach but I would not value it more that any other technique, in the end what matters is the result. It is true that the less ideas (arpeggios, scales, substitutions) you use the more boring you get (and you run out of ideas after a while) but still, it is better being repetitive than using many ideas without being very good at that (not your case, but may not very tasteful or experiences jazz players). Sometimes, players who are not real masters, tend to sound very scholastic, applying rules and chord substitutions...but it does not sound like improvisation, it sounds like an exercise and the reality is that there is very little improvisation. obviously that is not the case when it comes to master jazz players (especially if I think of Bill Frisell and people like that. In the end some of my favourite solos are just basic (harmonically) some very complex solos sound uninteresting...just opinions, obviously. Anyway, love your lessons and your solos.
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 7 жыл бұрын
The substitutions won't be the thing making the difference. Autumn Leaves is not the best song to demonstrate why you need to follow the changes, but it is a good place to start studying it. To be honest I suspect that the fact that you can't tell the difference between following the chords or just using a scale says more about your ears and abilities with improvising with them. I am also not sure you are aware that practicing playing a solo with arpeggios doesn't mean that you should end up playing or thinking only with arpeggios. It's just one of many skills needed. If you want to understand this better you should maybe try to analyze some transcriptions of solos that you like?
@danhope77
@danhope77 7 жыл бұрын
YES, I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN. I am not an experienced jazz player. However, I was just saying that more in general, I think it is a good idea to practice soloing just with arpeggios do develop a certain type of melodic taste, but I do enjoy playing jazz standards thinking of which scale fits with each chord and as I mentioned before, this approach creates different melodic lines that I believe are not worse than the ones you create with an approach based on arpeggios. A few guitar methods I have e.g. Mimi Fox arpeggios for jazz standard are great, but tend to focus a lot on arpeggios more than on scales. Very useful, but as I said, I don't think it is the best in terms of the results. Autumn Leaves, well, a simple one, as I said before I mainly play it with G maj scale, blues minor pentatonic, e minor harmonic and passage notes...I am not great, but I am happy with the result. In the Mimi Fox book actually there are interesting chord substitution also for Autumn LEaves.
@jor_dasan1810
@jor_dasan1810 8 жыл бұрын
fun!
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 8 жыл бұрын
+jorda san Thx!
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 8 жыл бұрын
+jorda san Thx!
@willwigmore9075
@willwigmore9075 7 жыл бұрын
oh god so...how lame am I ....what is the relation between the G7alt and Bbm penta????and you first mentioned that an Ab went with the G7alt......I found an edge.......(BTW - good lessons...maybe beyond me) I've played for over 50 years too
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I'm not sure if you are asking or what you are asking?
@devin5550
@devin5550 4 жыл бұрын
I think he said an Ab melodic minor over the G alt
@luigi_youtube
@luigi_youtube 3 жыл бұрын
how is built that G7alt chord?
@maomao180
@maomao180 5 жыл бұрын
what Pentatonic scales can I use for minor II V I's?
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 5 жыл бұрын
Minor II V I progressions don't lend themselves to pentatonics as well as the major counterpart. You could use m6 pentatonic scales, but you might as well just learn the arpeggios in my opinion 🙂
@lukesymmons
@lukesymmons 3 жыл бұрын
Why is it G7alt and not G7(#9)?
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 3 жыл бұрын
Because it is more practical to describe the sound and not the specific chord 🙂
@lukesymmons
@lukesymmons 3 жыл бұрын
@@JensLarsen but how would you know what to play if you are reading it?
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 3 жыл бұрын
@@lukesymmons A G7 voicing using extensions from the altered scale
@lukesymmons
@lukesymmons 3 жыл бұрын
@@JensLarsen ok thank you very much for the help!
@georgeanthony4834
@georgeanthony4834 6 жыл бұрын
Apropos nothing , do you think that they will come up with a computer that could play a passable facsimile of jazz, something that could fool a pedestrian listener? Is this why you have a healthy obsession with melody? To avoid the feeling that some jazzers are just stringing together a mechanical litany of licks and scales , substitutions etc over an harmonic progression. And how would you feel if they came up with a computer that could really play jazz? Would it be a nightmare or a validation of your skills?
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 6 жыл бұрын
I give melody prioroty because I find that it is an important part of the music, and I miss it when it isn't there. I don't worry about computers, that is not really a problem or anything I can do something about 🙂
@CreateArtRecords
@CreateArtRecords 4 жыл бұрын
Hi. Ich spriich mal Deutsch mit dir, ich hoffe das ist ok. Benutzt du auch die ganze Mel.m 7/alt Skala bei impros? Oder denkst du dass dies technisch nicht sinnvoll bzw. zu komplex ist um frei Spielen zu kjönnen? Man sagt ja keep it simple..?
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 4 жыл бұрын
I don't speak German, sorry. When I learned Dutch my German disappeared 🙂
@CreateArtRecords
@CreateArtRecords 4 жыл бұрын
ioi..sorry. Do you would recommend to use in General Pentatonic-Scales cause its less difficult in a technical Aprouch? in the Meening, "keep it simple", for better Expression? Do you use also the whole alt Scale to improve?
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 4 жыл бұрын
@@CreateArtRecords If you only know pentatonic scales then you can start there, but if you really want to sound right and hear altered scale and altered dominants then learn the whole scale (you will need melodic minor in tons of places anyway.... :) ) hope that helps!
@CreateArtRecords
@CreateArtRecords 4 жыл бұрын
@@JensLarsen Yes that helps. In the Case of me, i know all the Common Scales in Therie. But for me its the Challange to use this Knowledge in practical on the Instrument. I learn the Therie mostly on the Keys. Thats why your Video helps me, cause i can now imagine how to manage the Scales on th Instrument. I think the Importend is to change the Scales on the Beat where the Chords changes are. And to do smooth Connections between them.(?) Thx a lot. I will Subscribe your Channel!
@siglo2155
@siglo2155 8 жыл бұрын
bueno
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 8 жыл бұрын
+siglo 21 Thx!
@bebenavole
@bebenavole 6 жыл бұрын
u should start using a looper
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 6 жыл бұрын
Then you guys will never learn to hear the chords.. 🙂
@bebenavole
@bebenavole 6 жыл бұрын
but we will get the chance to hear (atleast once) both the arpeggios and the chords working together
@JensLarsen
@JensLarsen 6 жыл бұрын
I am sure you can play the chords right? Or loop the chords yourself and add the examples 🙂 Obviously I am half joking, because it is production time that doesn't allow me to do that. At the same time you are seriously better off trying to be able to hear stuff like that against the chords in your head. It is essential if you ever want to play it with any conviction.
@petel2952
@petel2952 4 жыл бұрын
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