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Solving a septic equation

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Prime Newtons

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4 ай бұрын

In this video, I solved a septic equation by considering a pattern of factors in the difference of polynomials of higher degrees
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@SpiroGirah
@SpiroGirah 4 ай бұрын
Algebra is the king of mathematics. I wish I truly spent time developing that aspect of my math before calculus and other things showed up.
@ernestdecsi5913
@ernestdecsi5913 4 ай бұрын
I am 70 years old and I am just now realising how much I have always been interested in mathematics. It is a pity that when I was young, KZfaq did not exist and the beauty of mathematics was not so visible.
@MrJasbur1
@MrJasbur1 4 ай бұрын
Yeah, except when algebra has a rule that says that you have to pretend that an equation has more solutions than it does because of multiplicities. They should get rid of that rule. Imaginary numbers may be useful, but I’m not sold on multiplicities being the same.
@pedrogarcia8706
@pedrogarcia8706 4 ай бұрын
@@MrJasbur1 it's not that deep. multiplicity just means when you factor the polynomial, the factor is written twice. for all intents and purposes, the equation has 4 solutions, but it still has 6 factors, 2 of them just appear twice.
@SalmonForYourLuck
@SalmonForYourLuck 4 ай бұрын
​@@pedrogarcia8706So that's why he wrote the Imaginery solutions twice?
@pedrogarcia8706
@pedrogarcia8706 4 ай бұрын
@@SalmonForYourLuck yeah exactly, if you were to write the factorization of the polynomial, the factors would be (x minus each solution) and the solutions with multiplicity would be repeated. You could also write those factors squared to only have to write them once.
@mac_bomber3521
@mac_bomber3521 4 ай бұрын
10:39 "Those who stop learning, stop living" Is that a threat?
@PrimeNewtons
@PrimeNewtons 4 ай бұрын
Only if you feel threatened.
@mcvoid7052
@mcvoid7052 4 ай бұрын
Better get to learning.
@MangoMan1963
@MangoMan1963 3 ай бұрын
"Those who start learning, stop living" ~Avg JEE/NEET aspirant
@adw1z
@adw1z 4 ай бұрын
Technically it’s a hexic (or sextic??) equation as the x^7 on both sides cancel, which means there should be 6 roots in C including multiplicity, as u found
@dayingale3231
@dayingale3231 4 ай бұрын
Yesss
@alwayschill4522
@alwayschill4522 4 ай бұрын
yeah i saw that too... its giving clickbait just kidding we love!
@erenshaw
@erenshaw 4 ай бұрын
Thank u I was so confused in why there was only 6 solutions
@plutothetutor1660
@plutothetutor1660 4 ай бұрын
Factoring an x leads to a quintic equation too!
@dougaugustine4075
@dougaugustine4075 Ай бұрын
I watched this video twice because I like watching you solve problems like this.
@wavingbuddy3535
@wavingbuddy3535 4 ай бұрын
Guys look at my cool millionth degree polynomial: x¹⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰ = x¹⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰ + x-1 😂
@Simpson17866
@Simpson17866 4 ай бұрын
I just solved it in my head :D
@adw1z
@adw1z 4 ай бұрын
@@Simpson17866 sorry to be a killjoy but ur polynomial is technically 1 degree only 😭
@Simpson17866
@Simpson17866 4 ай бұрын
@@adw1z ... That's the joke.
@the-boy-who-lived
@the-boy-who-lived 3 ай бұрын
After hours of work through trials and errors and using qudralliontic equation and almost proving Riemann hypothesis, I figured out it is 1-x=0
@AverageKopite
@AverageKopite 3 ай бұрын
@@the-boy-who-lived👏👏🙌😂
@kornelviktor6985
@kornelviktor6985 4 ай бұрын
The easy way to memorize 49 times 7 is 50 times 7 is 350 and minus 7 is 343
@5Stars49
@5Stars49 4 ай бұрын
Pascal Triangle 📐
@timothybohdan7415
@timothybohdan7415 18 сағат бұрын
Since the imaginary solutions get squared, you should also be able to use the negative of those imaginary solutions. Thus, the four imaginary solutions should be [+/-7 +/- i sqrt(3)]/2. Note the plus or minus in front of the 7. The other two (real) solutions are x = 0 and x = -7, as you noted.
@pojuantsalo3475
@pojuantsalo3475 4 ай бұрын
I suppose sanitary engineers need to solve septic equations...
@PrimeNewtons
@PrimeNewtons 4 ай бұрын
😂
@bobbun9630
@bobbun9630 3 ай бұрын
I would have to go check my old abstract algebra textbooks to find the exact way it's described, but if I remember correctly, for any prime p, you have (x+y)^p=x^p+y^p for all x and y when considering over the field Z_p. The trick is to realize that for a prime, all the binomial coefficients in the expansion of the left hand side are a multiple of p, except the first and last (which are always one). Since p~0 in that field, all the extra terms simply disappear. Granted, the solution over the complex numbers given here is the best interpretation of the problem when given without a more specific context, but it's nice to know that there really is a context where the naive student's thought that (x+y)^2=x^2 + y^2 actually does hold.
@echandler
@echandler 20 күн бұрын
Nice problem. Note that all of your solutions are multiples of 7: 0*7,-1*7,w*7 and (w^2)*7 where w and w^2 are complex cube roots of unity. This corresponds to your factorization.
@mahinnazu5455
@mahinnazu5455 4 ай бұрын
Nice math solution.. I see you video everyday. It is really so helpful for me. Thank you my Boss. Mahin From Bangladesh.
@mahinnazu5455
@mahinnazu5455 4 ай бұрын
Sir I hope u can support me to learn Mathematics.I love to do Maths.
@mitadas9961
@mitadas9961 3 ай бұрын
Can anyone please explain why the imaginary solutions are written twice?
@picup30296
@picup30296 3 ай бұрын
repeated roots due to the square
@sadeqirfan5582
@sadeqirfan5582 2 ай бұрын
But what is the point of repeating it if the two repetitions are the same?
@timothybohdan7415
@timothybohdan7415 18 сағат бұрын
Since the imaginary solutions get squared, you should also be able to use the negative of those imaginary solutions. Thus, the four imaginary solutions should be [+/-7 +/- i sqrt(3)]/2. Note the plus or minus in front of the 7. The other two (real) solutions are x = 0 and x = -7, as the speaker noted.
@maburwanemokoena7117
@maburwanemokoena7117 8 күн бұрын
This is definetly an algebra's student dream.
@trankiennang
@trankiennang 4 ай бұрын
I think i have a general solution to this kind of equation: (x+n)^n = x^n + n^n ( n is natural number, n > 1). Divide both side of equation by n^n. We will have (x+n)^n / n^n = x^n / n^n + 1 which is equivalent to (x/n + 1)^n = (x/n)^n + 1. Let t = x/n, then the equation will become (t+1)^n = t^n + 1. So now we will focus on solving t It is easy to see that if n is even then we just have one solution is t = 0 and if n is odd then t = -1 or t = 0. The main idea here is show that these are only solutions. So let f(t) = (t+1)^n - t^n - 1 Case 1: n is even f'(t) = n.(t+1)^(n-1) - n.t^(n-1) f'(t) = 0 (t+1)^(n-1) = t^(n-1) Notice that n is even so n-1 is odd. Then we have t+1 = t (nonsense) So f'(t) > 0. Thus f(t) = 0 has maximum one solution. And t = 0 is the only solution here. Case 2: n is odd. We have f''(t) = n(n-1).(t+1)^(n-2) - n(n-1).t^(n-2) f"(t) = 0 (t+1)^(n-2) = t^(n-2) Notice that n is odd so n-2 is odd Then we have t+1 = t (nonsense again) So f"(t) > 0 which leads us to the fact that f(t) = 0 has maximum two solutions. And t = 0 and t = -1 are two solutions. After we have solved for t, we can easily solve for x.
@knownuser_bs
@knownuser_bs 3 ай бұрын
also good way to solve brother
@spandanmistry4806
@spandanmistry4806 4 ай бұрын
Bro u got to be the best Maths teacher
@maharorand507
@maharorand507 3 ай бұрын
That s a rly cool explanation but the third is wrong to me : if ( x2 + 7x + 49 )2 equals 0 then x2 + 7x + 49 equals square root of 0 so 0 and x2 + 7x + 49 is ( x + 7 )2 so we replace and then we take out the square of ( x + 7 )2 so x + 7 = 0 and we get the same answer than the last one
@Blaqjaqshellaq
@Blaqjaqshellaq 4 ай бұрын
The complex solutions can be presented as (7/2)*e^(i*2*pi/3) and (7/2)*e^(i*4*pi/3).
@kdipakj
@kdipakj 14 сағат бұрын
What is the simplification of (x+y)^n -x^n -y^n??
@donwald3436
@donwald3436 4 ай бұрын
The only septic I can solve is figuring out what happens when I flush my toilet lol.
@PrimeNewtons
@PrimeNewtons 4 ай бұрын
Now you have one more
@raivogrunbaum4801
@raivogrunbaum4801 4 ай бұрын
@@PrimeNewtonsisnt it too obvius. by fermat big theorem a^7+b^7=c^7 isnt (positive) integer solutions unless some member is equal to zero.hence x=0 and x=-7
@jjjilani9634
@jjjilani9634 3 ай бұрын
Why couldn't we use the Pascal triangle for the first part (x+7)^7 ?
@sajuvasu
@sajuvasu 4 ай бұрын
U can say complex solutions.... Anyway very informative 😁😁
@15121960100
@15121960100 Ай бұрын
is there a general formula for factoring (x+y)^(2n-1) - x^(2n-1) - y^(2n-1)
@Viaz1
@Viaz1 2 ай бұрын
Because x^2+7x+49 is squared can -x^2-7x-49 be used to solve for two other roots rather than repeat?
@user-uk7zm8qg5v
@user-uk7zm8qg5v 3 ай бұрын
(x+y)^7-x^7-y^7=7xy(x+y)(x^2+xy+y^2)^2  ; why (x^2+xy+y^2)^2 It's not a math formula, but there's no explanation.
@himadrikhanra7463
@himadrikhanra7463 3 ай бұрын
Eulers equation (a +b)^n= a^n+ b^n....for n=1,2....
@tebourbi
@tebourbi 3 ай бұрын
Its more like a hexic (is that the word for 6?) Rather than septic because the x⁷ terms cancel each other
@lukaskamin755
@lukaskamin755 4 ай бұрын
Interesting to do the factoring, I'll try. But I'm curious how such things are obtained, I'd guess that can be done by synthetic division , if you have a clue what to obtain at tĥe end. Not quite obvious. Especially with the 7th degree, that incomplete square squared, looks overwhelming, I'd say 😅
@ThePayner11
@ThePayner11 4 ай бұрын
I generalised this for n is odd. Tried doing it for n is even and couldn't get anywhere 😩 Solve for x in terms of n if (x + n)^n = x^n + n^n and n ∈ Z^+. Case 1 - n = 1 : →x + n = x + n There are no valid solutions for x. Case 2 - n is odd and n ≥ 3: →(x + n)^n - x^n - n^n = 0 After looking at n = 3, 5, 7 and so on, we notice a pattern: →(n^2)*x*(x + n)*(x^2 + nx + n^2 )^((n - 3)/2) = 0 →x = 0, x = -n For x^2 + nx + n^2 = 0 , where n > 3: →x = (-n ± √(n^2 - 4n^2 ))/2 →x = (-n ± n√3*i)/2 If anyone can provide a generalisation for n is even, then please reply to my comment 😊
@PaulMutser
@PaulMutser 16 күн бұрын
Surely for case 1, all values of x are valid solutions?
@ernestdecsi5913
@ernestdecsi5913 4 ай бұрын
I really like this one!
@dujas2
@dujas2 4 күн бұрын
I don't like how you have to explain how to solve 49x=0 but not how to simplify (x+7)^7-x^7-7^7. Here's how I would have done it. Being able to cancel out the x^7 and constant terms is too good, so I would expand the polynomial. Don't want the coefficients blowing up? Substitute x=7t and the problem reduces to (t+1)^7=t^7-1. After the expansion, subtraction, and division by 7, we get t^6+3t^5+5t^4+5t^3+3t^2+t. Factor out the t, and factor the rest by grouping terms with the same coefficients. t^5+1+3t(t^3+1)+5t^2(t+1)=(t+1)(t^4-t^3+t^2-t+1+3t^3-3t^2+3t+5t^2)=(t+1)(t^4+2t^3+3t^2+2t+1)=(t+1)(t^2+t+1)^2. Solve for t, multiply by 7 to get x.
@mathyyys8467
@mathyyys8467 4 ай бұрын
Its true for all x in Z/7Z
@xCoolChoix
@xCoolChoix 3 ай бұрын
I actually got the first and last term thing right, I just didnt know how to get the numbers in the middle lol
@matheusespalaor1757
@matheusespalaor1757 3 ай бұрын
Amazing
@MyOneFiftiethOfADollar
@MyOneFiftiethOfADollar 4 ай бұрын
Would your experience solving this septic equation qualify you to repair our nasty, leaky, smelly septic tank? Nice job on choosing a relatively obscure term like septic as it could possibly enhance Search Engine Optimization(SEO), resulting in more page views from wordsmiths!
@PrimeNewtons
@PrimeNewtons 4 ай бұрын
I use that knowledge to fix my septic tank too 😂
@hayn10
@hayn10 4 ай бұрын
Septic ?
@frozenicetea3494
@frozenicetea3494 4 ай бұрын
I wouldve just said by fermas last theorem x can only be equal to 0
@ayaansajjad6855
@ayaansajjad6855 3 ай бұрын
isn't that equation more simple using pascal triangle ?
@marcelo372
@marcelo372 3 ай бұрын
Tús es o cara. Thank you
@edouardbinet7893
@edouardbinet7893 3 ай бұрын
Fermat conjectures
@FishSticker
@FishSticker 3 ай бұрын
At the very end you say that 49 - 4(49) is negative 3 but it's negative 3(49) aka 147
@jceepf
@jceepf 4 ай бұрын
A septic equation turned into a sextic equation..... I never thought that algebra so "dirty".
@renesperb
@renesperb 4 ай бұрын
It is easy to guess the two solutions x= 0, x = -7 , but one has to show that these are the only real solutions.
@tobybartels8426
@tobybartels8426 4 ай бұрын
The 7th root is ∞.
@williamdragon1023
@williamdragon1023 3 ай бұрын
x = 0 ez
@marksandsmith6778
@marksandsmith6778 4 ай бұрын
put some TCP on it !!!😅😃
@noblearmy567
@noblearmy567 4 ай бұрын
I have a septic infection 😂
@PrimeNewtons
@PrimeNewtons 4 ай бұрын
😂
@rishavsedhain8547
@rishavsedhain8547 3 ай бұрын
why only six answers? shouldn't there be seven?
@glorfindel75
@glorfindel75 Ай бұрын
the starting equation is sixth degree: it has 6 solutions, not seven
@Coyto3
@Coyto3 4 ай бұрын
Believe it or not, I have made a summation for this exact problem but for all n not just 7
@PrimeNewtons
@PrimeNewtons 4 ай бұрын
I would be glad if you can share 😀
@antonionavarro1000
@antonionavarro1000 4 ай бұрын
¿Lo has demostrado solo para los n impares? ¿Has demostrado lo siguiente?: Si n es un número natural impar, es decir, n=2m+1, con m un número natural cualquiera, se debe cumplir que (a+b)^{2m+1}- ( a^{2m+1} + b^{2m+1} ) = (2m+1) • (a+b) • (a^2+ab+b^2)^{2m-2} Por favor, escribe la demostración. Sería de agradecer que lo hicieras.
@Coyto3
@Coyto3 4 ай бұрын
@@PrimeNewtons I would have to send you the picture. I wrote it out on my board. I think it has one slight error that I need to fix. I can probably send it in a desmos link.
@sea1865
@sea1865 4 ай бұрын
Couldnt you just 7th root the entire equation and have all the exponents cancel out?
@harley_2305
@harley_2305 3 ай бұрын
That doesn’t work because on the right hand side you have x^7 + 7^7. You can’t take a root in this form because that would basically be saying root(x+y) = root(x) + root(y) and we can test that doesn’t work by just plugging in numbers such as 4 and 5. root(4 + 5) = 3 but root(4) + root(5) ≈ 4.236 so by counter example the root of the sums is not equal to the sum of the roots hence you can’t cancel out powers of individual terms by taking the root of the whole thing, the whole thing would need to be raised to a power for you to be able to if that makes sense. Sorry if this didn’t explain it well
@anestismoutafidis4575
@anestismoutafidis4575 3 ай бұрын
(x+7)^7=x^7+7^7 (0+7)^7=0^7+7^7 7^7=7^77=7 x=0
@aurochrok634
@aurochrok634 4 ай бұрын
septic… hm… 😂
@JSSTyger
@JSSTyger 4 ай бұрын
To me its clear at the start that x must be less than 1.
@JSSTyger
@JSSTyger 4 ай бұрын
The reason I say this is that (x+7)^7 = x^7+7^7+positive number, which is greater than x^7+7^7. So really, I could also argue that x can't even be greater than 0.
@user-nd7th3hy4l
@user-nd7th3hy4l 3 ай бұрын
X=0
@googlem7
@googlem7 4 ай бұрын
multiplicity solution at end has been repeated
@dankestlynx7587
@dankestlynx7587 3 ай бұрын
x=0
@sonicbluster3360
@sonicbluster3360 3 ай бұрын
0
@jumpjump-oz2pr
@jumpjump-oz2pr 4 ай бұрын
Don’t do it like this just brute force it and then synthetic Devine it Trust me man trust me
@sarahlo5084
@sarahlo5084 4 ай бұрын
Medical person me reads “septic” 🤒
@mircoceccarelli6689
@mircoceccarelli6689 4 ай бұрын
( x + 7 )^7 - ( x^7 + 7^7 ) = 0 49 x ( x + 7 )( x^2 + 7 x + 49 )^2 = 0 x = { 0 , - 7 , 7 w , 7 w^2 } x^3 - 1 = ( x - 1 )( x^2 + x + 1 ) = 0 x = { 1 , w , w^2 } , w € C , w^3 = 1 😊🤪👍👋
@Danish53879
@Danish53879 3 ай бұрын
Mei muslman hon hindu nhi hon
@Alfi-rp6il
@Alfi-rp6il 4 ай бұрын
Do me a favour: Don't call the non-real solutions 'imaginary'! They are called 'complex', ok. Nevertheless, the 'number' i ist called the 'imaginary entity'. Furthermore, there are 'imaginary numbers'. These are complex numbers without a real part or having zero as real part respectivly.
@PrimeNewtons
@PrimeNewtons 4 ай бұрын
I'll do that. There is that argument that every number is complex. What do you say? Also consider the argument that if a number has an imaginary part, it is altogether imaginary.
@Alfi-rp6il
@Alfi-rp6il 4 ай бұрын
@@PrimeNewtons Don't play tricks with words, ok. Mathematics is a science, not part of rhetorics.
@PrimeNewtons
@PrimeNewtons 4 ай бұрын
You did not address my questions. It's no wordplay. You should at least say something about the validity of the claims. Let me repeat then here: 1. Every real number is a complex number with zero imaginary part. 2. If the imaginary part of a complex number is not 0, then it is an imaginary number. Not necessarily purely imaginary.
@Alfi-rp6il
@Alfi-rp6il 4 ай бұрын
@@PrimeNewtons No. Concerning 2.: A complex number is an imaginary number, when the imaginary part is not 0 and the real part IS ZERO.
@PrimeNewtons
@PrimeNewtons 4 ай бұрын
I'm going to pose this question in the community. I need to learn more.
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