lol😂

Literally none of those are things that make him top tier.

Ken is clearly a broken character, to me, he's what early Luke was in SFV : too much of everything pretty much without any flaw. In fact, his cr.MK probably is what makes him godlike, because he can make a mistake, he can whiff something, but it doesn't matter, because it's so fast and has so much reach than it suffs any punish you may attempt, you're like "OK, now it's my turn", and in fact, it is, but no, cr.MK, cancels into something else... Ken needs a nerf on his cr.MK, or if not that, a nerf in the overall damage input, because it may be OK to have everythikng for every situation, but Ken gets too much reward, the corner carry, the damage, easy corner mix-ups, you can litteraly die just for pressing jab mid-screen lol

Chun Li is actually Capcoms favorite

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Get Gud

The corner carry combos aren't that optimal though. Ken gives up some good damage when he instead opts for the corner carry. The corner can back fire on him if he opponent guesses right on the next set play. I've seen so many matches where a Ken will corner carry then immediately get put into the corner himself.

⁠@@Finfection very true but I feel like the amount of pressure you could get instantly, although I’d like to see where he’s getting the corner turned on him if you could provide that link

I been saying this he can combo you anywhere and put you in the corner its stupid fuck ken lol I rather fight jp or juri

@@Finfectioni mean who cares if its optimal if it does still put you in the corner 100% of the time with a few guesses. And then ken can just loop you from there. Maybe not optimal, but it sure as hell works

@@cyrus6236 In a high level match the loop isn't guaranteed. If the next mix up all gets tech'd, blocked, or parried then that means the Ken gave up the optimal damage for nothing. It's one of those things where you're a genius if it works or an idiot when it doesn't work. Lol.

I stopped playing SF because of Ken lmfao Tekken here I come

honestly the last few months players have dropped super duper significantly, according to steamdb, when it first came out it has roughly around 60k-50k players on avg, now its like 20k

I justnplayed vack SF6 after a break, and NOTHING has changed. Also, A.K.I. still neglected while it's a fantastic designed character. She nweds to be buffed

It's called adapting to your opponents play style.

@oqueaderk Keep playing?

Against honda you just parry his headbutt on reaction. Buttslam is harder cause he can mess with the timing, but go in the lab and see if your char has a good anti air or air-to-air that beats it. You can also drive impact if it looks like its going to land in front of you.

Blanka is unstoppable!

No jinrai cancels are safe. Mk>lk isnt gapless, DI it

Only heavy jinrai into light is relatively safe. Safe from DI at least.

It's funny because when you watch a high level Ken player do that throw bait, it works every time! But, when the average Ken player tries it online it never works. lmao.

@@Finfectionthat’s because a high level player will either condition you or make a complete read. Low level Kens are dogsht lmao

I dont even think low level kend even know why theyre jumping in the corner, they just do it because they see top level players do it

That's literally what you're supposed to do in a fighting game

lmaooooooo@@rickpeters8204

If she dosent have wind, shes probably plus on block. If she does have wind you block. If shes in the corner she has no reversals.

Yes I now know exactly how NOT to play my Ken 😄😄😄 now off to lab frame traps...

@@bludesayo3651 my man💯🤜🔥

jinrai kick is somehow able to deal with(still not easy to do, you need to focus, train your muscle memory, no 100% success rate) if you get familiar, need a lot of practice dragonlash is another story, since we have too many things to take care of in the real fight, this move can help ken gain 1~2 chances per round, meterless. Corner carry ability of ken is insanely good, I prefer to take the throw if his dragonlash or drive rush got me.

Jinrai kick typically gets beaten by DI except in rarer instances (Heavy jinrai). Dragonlash is super reactable with jab or DI.

@@Un1234l Yes, super reactable, even daigo think it is hard, too funny to find out another superhuman surpass pros😂

@@computervision557 Kazunoko jabs him out of the dragonlash 100% of the time. I've fought people online who DI me every time. I jab or DI people out of dragonlash most of the time. The animation is unique, and Kens typically only do it a certain distance away to skip neutral. It's telegraphed.

​@@Un1234l I just saw the SFL match of kazunoko vs machabo, no 100%. Lie, lie, lie, more lies

Might be an online timing thing honestly. Otherwise if they are committing to doing any of the jinrai kick follow ups then DI should beat them because of the gap in the kicks. But if they don't do a follow up they will recover in time to counter DI you because DI has a long start up. You can also parry as an alternative instead of using DI. Or hell, you could even just continue to block. All versions of Jinrai are minus on block. The safest one is the heavy version and it's still only -2. All of the follow ups are also minus on block. Parry would beat any high low mix up from the low or the overhead.

Presumably because of wakeup Drive Parry

“He is really cool in this game” Hard disagree. Ken is cool af tho. Luke is better than Ken tier-wise, but if i played Luke id feel disgusted

Most people want to play characters that they think are cool, and a lot street fighter players think Luke is lame. So unless your playing for money, why would you play a character you don’t especially like just because they’re good? I personally play ryu because I like mma and think it’s cool that he devotes his life to it, plus his new design reminds me of kratos from god of war. Everybody puts ryu in low tiers but I don’t care, and imma keep playing him because I think he’s cool asf

Im not sure honestly, i feel like stylistically hes boring as shit, i mean, hes an aggressive “fire” character. Very outdone in every-way in every media form as a characters design. Luke i think people dont like because 1; hes a semi zoner, which takes a bit more brain than kens constant plus frame buttons, and 2; people didnt like luke as a character in almost ANY way in SF5. But yeah idk why hes so popular. Hes easy too i guess

@@cyrus6236 if Luke wasn’t as strong as he is no one would play him

Luke isn't popular because he is not cool looking, his MMA style moves are boring to look at, his fireball godlike as it is is not as cool as a hadoken. Not to mention he is a relatively new character introduced at the end of SFV lifespan, Ken has always been the most popular character since early SF series. His flame moves, his flashiness and good looks are always fan favorite. Heck, even Rashid is way cooler to look and play than Luke. And many who play Luke plays modern mode with him, and it annoys the fuck out of everyone just because of how good it is. You cannot even throw a fireball at him from full screen since he can punish you on reaction with his OD fireball. In mid screen his lvl1 and 3 supers goes throw fireball and punishes most things, his lvl2 also beats most moves upclose. No to mention he has DP and great normals. He is literally the best character on modern. VesperArcade literally rank him as the only S tier if you are playing him modern. Ken, Juri, Deejay, Guile and Classic control Luke are A tier in comparison.

I don't think many people realize that you can do it is why. It definitely works. There are characters with similar moves that get them in that people have sucessfully Di'd or even level 3'd to counter.

the game has been out for a month. nowhere near enough time to get the experience to jab it on reaction.

@@Finfection Nope, even daigo agree Ken dragon lash is impossible to react to in real fight. Too many players assume they are better than pros, funny

I jab it all the time into a super

We need to know how to beat Ken thanks 😭😂

@@seniter3262 A tip for you, Ken is one of the few characters that has no normals that are plus on block. That means after blocking his first hit, his turn and his pressure is over. You can just mash jab after blocking the first hit. Just make sure his first hit is not a meaty like on your wakeup or off a Drive rush that gives him extra frames. Also, if you are having problems with his s.mk and s.hk pokes, just Drive impact that shit, they all have more total frames than Drive impact's startup. That means your DI will always catch and punish them if they hit you after you do DI. Do it enough times and they will stop doing s.mk and s.hk, then suddenly you realize his footsie game is kinda weak and easier to deal with. Ken's only real threat is his corner throw loop, and he has good corner carry to create that situation. Just learn to deal with corner pressure properly and you'll eventually beat him. Ken is only top tier on paper and on theory. His footsie and pressure game isn't strong. Which is why despite the large pool of Ken players, little to none make it to the top in tournaments. Juri is the real monster.

@@skychaos87 I know aha I’m almost master that’s why he’s all I come across 😭 frame data wise it’s Jamie that annoys me since he has soo much versions of himself 😭😂

@@seniter3262 Ken as hard to beat as cammy and juri

A lot of situations with Ken are pretty much a game of rock, paper, scissors. If you guess right he dies. If he guesses right then you die. Ken can't afford to be predictable because a lot of his stuff has a counter if he is predictable. This is why I can't see him as a top 5 character. So much of his stuff is a gamble despite him being pretty strong on paper.

@@Finfection Your words could apply to every characters

​​@@FinfectionOr the Ken can just play solid honest Street Fighter, which Ken is also very good at. There's gimmicky play and there's honest Street Fighter. Pros and tournament players tend to do the latter. Online warriors the former.

​@@FinfectionYeah, I don't have luck with gambles, overall. In games and in life....

They gave him everything he really has no weaknesses inhate playing against him to be honest lol

just go to practice with him and make his trials.

I feel attacked

You have a fucking busted throw loop in the corner. Abuse it

Bro we are not helping Ken players we are are against them he has everything if you suck with Ken its you

It sounds You might be spamming block string combos😂

What you mean no move of his is plus on block, he has some of the best plus on block moves in the game actually

Ken has everything no pity for you you probably getting carried by Ken

Oh trust me, ken has maybe the best corner carry in the game, you should be alright. Salt aside, hes one if the VERY few characters with easy links from light buttons to medium buttons, and if you do punish someone as ken in the corner, might be east ggs depending on life difference

Lol hate all Ken players half of yall are carried by the character

@@MrTD714 how are Ken players carried? It requires skill to use this character especially learning how to run cancel and when you can run cancel without using the drive meter

Kimberly is too gimmicky to the point that she’s easy you just jab her out of her teleports

Maybe in the beta she was an actual issue, but kim cant put you in the corner and kill you off of 2 guesses. Kim sure as hell dosent have as good buttons as ken does

Found the ken main

@@tony2p 14 characters Diamond. I play everyone.

@@yourstillwithme 14 characters diamond and youre still wrong, impressive

Ken is fair lol no way da fuck u smoking juri just has fast drush guile is a problem but nothing feels like your being cheated more than fighting ken

No clue how out of all the characters in the game you think ken is fair but aight. Your opinion i guess. Juri and luke are nuts, guile is extremely unpopular for a legacy character. Ken does become a bit of an issue when he IS popular. Id say the same thing if Luke was more popular.