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Some Interesting Balance Changes! April 2024 PUP Update | AoE2: DE

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Ornlu the Wolf - Age of Empires 2

Ornlu the Wolf - Age of Empires 2

4 ай бұрын

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@Xastor994
@Xastor994 4 ай бұрын
Among the unlisted changes in the PUP, Shipwright is now getting renamed to Shipwrights.
@david_oliveira71
@david_oliveira71 4 ай бұрын
11
@sam_sanister
@sam_sanister 4 ай бұрын
Pre-DE, Arbalesters used to be called "Arbalests" 11
@Doctor-strange98
@Doctor-strange98 4 ай бұрын
Damn I still think of them as arbalests
@adeadfishdied
@adeadfishdied 4 ай бұрын
Regarding the Mongols, this does provide a minor buff / power spike at the start of Castle Age. The buff previously only applied to light cavalry, but now it applies to scout cavalry as well. Instead of having to wait for the upgrade to come in, for the 30%, you instantly have 20% on your scouts.
@quasibrodo923
@quasibrodo923 4 ай бұрын
I hadn’t noticed that but you’re right. Seems weird all considering. Nerf SL but buff scouts. Granted it’s a nerf overall but still. Maybe it’s that light incremental approach they’ve been doing lately. Next patch it won’t apply to scouts, the patch after that SL ho bonus is a UT??? We’ll see
@forsakenquery
@forsakenquery 4 ай бұрын
I mean it's an insanely small power spike that's only relevant on arena. If you need light cav it's a very fast tech.
@minikawildflower
@minikawildflower 4 ай бұрын
I've been wondering if a change that could help scorpions is to change something about how they path? Part of their problem is that you don't just lose one to a bombard cannon hit, you can lose a bunch in one shot because they stack up so close.
@hansoskar1911
@hansoskar1911 4 ай бұрын
Celt Heavy Scorpions with Furor Celtica now live a Houfnice Shot as well as most SO shots. basically only the most direct hit is a kill. slightly off center lives.
@AlphaSquadZero
@AlphaSquadZero 4 ай бұрын
The Huns change isn't just for EW, the no wood penalty is for all play modes. The Huns are so back for nomad, having a horse on the map to boot too. Nomad tech, for the Huns? I think you are mixing up the mongols.
@raquetdude
@raquetdude 4 ай бұрын
Really excited to see Roman play rate increase possibly increase.
@raquetdude
@raquetdude 4 ай бұрын
Fuck I was tired writing this comment
@torri776
@torri776 4 ай бұрын
Yeah Romans feel really weak due to being subpar in everything sans their Economy bonus.
@tyranitararmaldo
@tyranitararmaldo 4 ай бұрын
I'm really not happy with the Ratha changes. They do not address the unit's problems at all. They fill the role of the knight and cavalry archer, they are not supposed to compete with the Bengali's elephant units (aka; stop buffing their raw power). They need to be easier to produce. Either through cheaper cost, faster production time, or being able to be made at the stable/archery range. Like, I get the idea behind this is to make them need fewer techs, but it does not address the core issues of the unit.
@adeadfishdied
@adeadfishdied 4 ай бұрын
The Ratha change isn’t a Ratha change: it’s an elephant archer nerf. As explained in the video, they have taken away Parthian Tactics and instead baked the upgrade into the Ratha. As the only other mounted cavalry archer the Bengalis have is the elephant archer, this only hurts that unit.
@tyranitararmaldo
@tyranitararmaldo 4 ай бұрын
@@adeadfishdied the Ratha still needs fixing regardless. This change just brings the two units closer together, which is a bad thing for the Bengalis unit diversity. Also I don't like them removing Parthian Tactics, as it makes Bengalis less unique.
@Mattroid99
@Mattroid99 4 ай бұрын
I think is a good change overall, Bengalis' Elephant Archers are just obnoxious to deal with in TGs, between attacking faster and taking less bonus damage I think is okay to make it worse overall. I don't agree that Rathas are still any close to Bengali elephants, they have different stats and perform a bit more of a mobility/balanced role. Their problem is that they require a bagillion upgrades for a clunky unit that dies to skirms
@AungAung-yl2ph
@AungAung-yl2ph 4 ай бұрын
so bengali elephant archers will be less special after this. no elephant archers civs can even have parthian tactics now.
@ad3z10
@ad3z10 4 ай бұрын
Using Halb meatshields suddenly seem much more threatening against them with the +2 bonus damage gone.
@ajwadmurshed8151
@ajwadmurshed8151 4 ай бұрын
Makes sense partians did it on horseback
@grraf1
@grraf1 4 ай бұрын
Why would they ?! hit&run elephant tactics were never a thing in history unless you count them getting routed as a tactic instead of a cataclysmic event 🤣(as they would often come crashing right back into their own lines causing panic&disorder at best and at worst causing such severe casualties and loss of cohesion that it would end up costing their side the battle)
@zahin_awosaf
@zahin_awosaf 4 ай бұрын
*Bengalis looses Parithian Tactics* Ornlu: I am such a huge fan of this Me a Bengali: 😐
@Mattroid99
@Mattroid99 4 ай бұрын
Well the civ got buffed overall. Not sure how Elephant would play with Cavalry Archer tactics anyways though hahah
@LDM541
@LDM541 4 ай бұрын
When they are going to add the Dromons to the meso civs? They have nothing against buildings in water, a clear disadvantage with random civs
@TheBikeOnTheMoon
@TheBikeOnTheMoon 4 ай бұрын
what if fortification tech are free for Sicilian as well? like masonry and architect and fortified wall (they don't have architect and fortified wall at the moment).
@kodys2087
@kodys2087 4 ай бұрын
As someone who mains Khmer, buffed Battle Elephants and Scorpions is great. I know that Ballista Elephant/Hussar is the more popular combo, but I prefer Battle Elephant/Scorpion composition; easier to mass, more range, both armies are pretty slow/grindy anyway, and more HP for the front-line melee unit.
@frankieseward8667
@frankieseward8667 4 ай бұрын
Well the Koreans and Mongols are gonna have a nice buff.
@jacywilson
@jacywilson 4 ай бұрын
I think, like the hussite wagons, People just haven't explored the best ways to utilize the Bulgarian bonuses. I actually think they are in a okay spot but because pros don't play them, people have no idea how good the civ can be. I think that in the right hands they can be slightly better than magyars actually. You just have to know how to take full advantages of their bonuses... And develop a feeling for the civ. I think the bulgarians just have a bad reputation and that gets into peoples heads and they just dont pick or learn to use the civ to its fullest. Could the use some buffs? Maybe... But sometimes I'm thinking the opposite with the kreposts and the 33% faster attacking cav. Almost fully upgraded CA. Fully upgraded elite Konnicks. And Thats just late game. You have to play agressive to get their without real eco bonus. And use kreposts and cheap tcs to protect your economy.
@jacywilson
@jacywilson 4 ай бұрын
Early game on open maps your gonna want to use the man at arms opening and get forging and maybe armor right away after getting to feudal. I usually get them before adding a scouts. Then add scouts and get scout upgrades keep pressure and keep them open if the add lots of spears and archers you can consider adding a range and getting cheap fletching and armor. If not just wall up and go to Castle age while maintaining pressure.
@yuuya5985
@yuuya5985 4 ай бұрын
man i just want to have a civ with FU ele archer, is this too much :'(
@jeimmyguizargongorajeinsgo7079
@jeimmyguizargongorajeinsgo7079 4 ай бұрын
Modificar los atributos del ataque en el editor aun no funciona
@quasibrodo923
@quasibrodo923 4 ай бұрын
When I first saw the mongol hp bonus, I wasn't too impressed. It's 6hp difference. But perhaps it's part of this incremental approach the devs have been using lately. I don't think it'll be enough, but maybe in a patch or two SL hp bonus will be a UT.
@Mattroid99
@Mattroid99 4 ай бұрын
Honestly I would have rather seen Scorps getting benefit from Ballistics applied to all civs (If you still want to compensate Romans you could make Ballistics 50% cheaper) Hard to switch back from Roman Scorpions hahah, they genuinely feel like a good unit with that. Really good changes overall, especially the mongol one. I like the Sicilian change too but without being able to build Donjons in Dark Age (You can rebalance them for it to be weaker, not training anything nor shoot arrows) it feels not very impactful. You still can't use it as a better Barracks substitute when going up to Feudal Age, so what's the point if using it like that is going to make you miss every timing anyways?
@Naughtylius
@Naughtylius 4 ай бұрын
I just hope they will fix 4th Atilla mission xD
@windwindy5356
@windwindy5356 4 ай бұрын
I download the patch and BE still only moves at 0.88
@OrnLu_AoE
@OrnLu_AoE 4 ай бұрын
Apparently they screwed up the data set with the PUP and are going to fix it
@inductivegrunt94
@inductivegrunt94 4 ай бұрын
Elite Battle Elephants and Scorpions being buffed is a buff to Khmer with their focus on both of those units. Should help the Khmer to not spam Hussars and Ballista Elephants all the time.
@SergioGarridoPaco
@SergioGarridoPaco 4 ай бұрын
Don't sicilians miss fortified wall? And are the devs giving them faster build walls?
@OrnLu_AoE
@OrnLu_AoE 4 ай бұрын
It also applies to Palisades, which is especially helpful in early game
@navinkumarpk86
@navinkumarpk86 4 ай бұрын
Any April event?
@OrnLu_AoE
@OrnLu_AoE 4 ай бұрын
Doesn't look like it
@torri776
@torri776 4 ай бұрын
Bengali Elephant Archers feel oppressive because Dravidians are rarely played and Gurjaras seldom use Elephant Archers despite the fact that both of those civs have more powerful offense with that unit (better attack speed, and speaking as a longtime Fire Emblem player, ACCURACY is even more important since Bengalis don't have Thumb Ring). Is Defense really that important just because Bengali Elephant Archers presumably take less bonus damage given the Bengali Elephant passive? Every time I play Dravidians and Gurjaras (why are all Indian civs so fun I have no idea but that's why DOI is such a perfect expansion) I always implement their Elephant Archers as part of my armies' entourage, because they're so satisfying to use. Bengalis are weird because they have no gunpowder, and I believe that this nerf was targeted at Bengalis to compensate for the fact their Battle Elephants, already their best asset, are getting indirectly buffed by the unit changes.
@joewest3901
@joewest3901 4 ай бұрын
As a Bulgarians enjoyer, I feel like the civ needs some kind of durable eco bonus. They're extremely good on a handful of timings where you get +2 Knights or +3 Cavalier and run over fights with the power spike, but struggle to keep up economically with things like Franks or Vietnamese. I'd love to see them get something like Farmer carry capacity +1 per age. Or maybe a rework to Bagains since I never find myself wanting the tech. But hey, Heavy Scorpion buff is good for them as well. It is what it is.
@Mike-cb9bq
@Mike-cb9bq 4 ай бұрын
Bargains is really good for what it is but expensive. It benefits attack speed for cavalry not just the Konniks.
@quasibrodo923
@quasibrodo923 4 ай бұрын
@@Mike-cb9bqbagains is the +5 militia line melee armor. You’re thinking stirrups.
@hansoskar1911
@hansoskar1911 4 ай бұрын
imho you could do something with their Krepost. like make it a universal drop-off point bc storing ressources was definetly you did in these smaller border posts. could also see putting Wheelbarrow and HandCart in threre. keeps their identity in check but gives a small buff to the Krepost-and-army playstyle. I dont think they should get a pure boom bonus.
@aoefsmrap
@aoefsmrap 4 ай бұрын
Is that a Girls' Generation poster I see? My man!
@OrnLu_AoE
@OrnLu_AoE 4 ай бұрын
A relic from my middle school/high schools days 11
@MammothSaltyGachaponOfficial
@MammothSaltyGachaponOfficial 4 ай бұрын
New Patch Update 🎉
@abdullahtokgoz
@abdullahtokgoz 4 ай бұрын
Turks: "Will the poor man smile?"
@laguz3413
@laguz3413 4 ай бұрын
I really dislike the malay change. Their elephants are already the worst and only advantage against other elephants is the resource damage., now they are even worse in elephant vs elephant battles. (Keep in mind i’m talking about team games, idk much about 1v1s because i dislike that mode.) Also wasn’t bengalis a civ that was only good at elephant archers and rathas iirc? If that was the case and i’m not misremembering, doesn’t this kinda turn bengalis into a rathas-only civ now?
@OrnLu_AoE
@OrnLu_AoE 4 ай бұрын
Malay Elephants are actually among the most viable at higher levels. Early Castle Age and Imperial Age pushes with Elephants can be really deadly, and fit with the timing-nature of the civ. You also might be mixing them up with Bengali Eles. Malay Eles are the ones that are super cheap but miss a bunch of upgrades. They win cost-efficiently vs every other battle elephants haha
@laguz3413
@laguz3413 4 ай бұрын
@@OrnLu_AoE i see, i’m not really used to early push elephants since i always saw them as the elephant equivalent of goth spam (boom asap to get an eco that allows you to mass them forever, forcing the enemy into losing an attrition war.) which also plays with the trash two handed swordmans dealing with enemy halbs. For me Malay feels like the medieval equivalent of the soviet army. Throw so many bodies they will soon or later run out of “bullets”
@souloftheworld9810
@souloftheworld9810 4 ай бұрын
Dravidian ones are the worst and it's not even close. They are the only civ that misses the elite upgrade for that unit, on top of missing the armours, husbandry, and bloodlines.
@laguz3413
@laguz3413 4 ай бұрын
@@souloftheworld9810 not gonna lie, dravidian stable is so bad i just forget it actually exist and treat them either like a meso civ, or like if their only “cav” is the elephant archer.
@mubashirulmoula1798
@mubashirulmoula1798 4 ай бұрын
Bulgarians could get more buff. A scorpion related buff would be cool. And maybe Serjeant food cost should be increased by 5 as Donjon is buffed. Bengalis became too one dimensional Ratha play civ. EA in general could get +3 attack bonus vs spearman.
@stefanandrejcik571
@stefanandrejcik571 4 ай бұрын
I know steppe lancer are very strong small group of units because of that extra range but please for god sake can't we finally buff Elite steppe lancers??😢😢😢
@williamschubert4819
@williamschubert4819 4 ай бұрын
They have been buffed. I don't think they need more. They could get really out of hand if they are buffed too much.
@stefanandrejcik571
@stefanandrejcik571 4 ай бұрын
@@williamschubert4819 they should still
@adeadfishdied
@adeadfishdied 4 ай бұрын
First.
@MrThatnativeguy
@MrThatnativeguy 4 ай бұрын
Lame
@TheSrijitMajumder
@TheSrijitMajumder 4 ай бұрын
So the Bengalis literally got snatched of their only post imp viable unit. RIP Bengalis getrekt. Impeccable logic by the game devs who wish to nerf the civ with the lowest ladder winrates. Why even create the civ? Its like a man with no arms and legs now.
@AshuBachhav1
@AshuBachhav1 4 ай бұрын
bengali is a good civ i play it a lot but removing parthian tactis was really unnecassary
@greekwarrior5373
@greekwarrior5373 4 ай бұрын
Throw this game in the trash can. It has become ridiculous already for years now.
@dragor6527
@dragor6527 4 ай бұрын
Not really. Go play fortnite
@riseALK
@riseALK 4 ай бұрын
And yet you are still here
@stefanandrejcik571
@stefanandrejcik571 4 ай бұрын
It didn't really if anything it misses some crazy things to spice Up GamePlay lilbro, I player this game when I was 6 and still do
@youcanthandlethetruth5433
@youcanthandlethetruth5433 4 ай бұрын
Great. They ruined the balance for michi, deatchmatch, ffa, late game BF How the heck is civs like huns going to deal with mass scorpions from Ethiopians, celts and Mongols? No bombard no ongager. You basically had to swarm them with Hussar and lose alot to take out a few. Now they get more hp, mele Armour and cheaper to upgrade FK off don't only balance for flicking 1v1 Arabia. 50% of the player base plays other maps
@coopercross6123
@coopercross6123 4 ай бұрын
Least spiteful scorpion hater
@ethanpappas2502
@ethanpappas2502 4 ай бұрын
Who in the right mind is going to play Huns on Black Forest or Michi?
@youcanthandlethetruth5433
@youcanthandlethetruth5433 4 ай бұрын
@@ethanpappas2502 random civ obviously
@stefanandrejcik571
@stefanandrejcik571 4 ай бұрын
Who Tf plays mongol scorps😂😂😂😂 bruh
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