Songs that use 13/8 time

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Time signatures with a thirteen on top certainly live up to the name “odd” time signature. In this video we’ll take a look at some songs in 13/8, 13/4 and even the much rarer 13/16 time.
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@therealshmorg Жыл бұрын

I am unbelievably impressed and concerned that David has managed to make a time signature video without a single Radiohead song

@pierreyveshuet1763 Жыл бұрын

No Beatles neither. Isn't his first video without Radiohead or the Beatles?

@notwithouttext Жыл бұрын

@@pierreyveshuet1763 nope

@DavidBennettPiano Жыл бұрын

I’m afraid with these oddest of odd time signature we are now reaching beyond the realms of Radiohead (and the Beatles!)

@macalby Жыл бұрын

@@DavidBennettPiano truly video game music is the highest form of art

@jasonremy1627 Жыл бұрын

@@pierreyveshuet1763 I think it is.

@mikeprice25 Жыл бұрын

Joga is one of the most effortless pieces of music that uses an odd meter to me. I find it so pleasing.

@DavidBennettPiano Жыл бұрын

I love that song 😊

@miserirken Жыл бұрын

@@DavidBennettPiano i trust no one who doesn't like that song, haven't find such person yet tho.

@tonybates7870 Жыл бұрын

@@miserirken Neither have I.

@fortunefavorsthebold3459 Жыл бұрын

I always felt it as 4 4's with 3 lopped off of the last one. It's one of those songs where form follows functionin a beautiful way - she's describing being urgently, overpoweringly in love so of course there's no time for those last three notes of filler, we MUST jump right to the next line so she can tell us more. Beautiful song, and great description as always @David Bennett Piano !

@wizardofoz6811 Жыл бұрын

@@miserirken I don't like it

@originalph00tbag Жыл бұрын

Honestly, 13/16 is a really natural feeling time signature to me, actually. It might be the proximity to 12/16, but especially in the 3-3-3-4 clave, it is a very smooth time signature to my ear.

@rattttooooo Жыл бұрын

I agree. Very pleasing.

@rpocc Жыл бұрын

Mostly signatures with extra measures at the end often sound artificially extended unless bars are based on melodic motive naturally including these portions of 3 and 4.

@MSkwar Жыл бұрын

1 e + a 2 e + a 1 2 1 2 3

@PancakeTheKat Жыл бұрын

I can see the appeal but it’s not really my favorite. It’s pleasing, yes, but it’s hard to make feel natural to me.

@christietimo0524 Жыл бұрын

Really? I find it incredibly hard to follow. I would love to know how to follow it, but I just can't.

@Xx_Blue_Blur_xX Жыл бұрын

0:03 explanation 0:11 Super Mario RPG - Weapons Factory 0:41 Ocarina of Time - Fairy Flying 0:55 Tigran Hamisyan - To Negate 1:17 Pearl Jam - Low Light 1:47 Pearl Jam - Push Me, Pull Me 2:16 Bobby McFerrin - Stars 2:50 Tool - Schism 3:15 Björk - Jôga (to be continued)

@yourcommentisntfunnyv2709 Жыл бұрын

Kid

@Xx_Blue_Blur_xX Жыл бұрын

@@yourcommentisntfunnyv2709 what

@edgemonster6293 Жыл бұрын

@@yourcommentisntfunnyv2709 stoopid

@yourcommentisntfunnyv2709 Жыл бұрын

@@edgemonster6293 i forgot why i said this

@larsswig912 Жыл бұрын

Hamasyan*

@solvoidt7537 Жыл бұрын

Thank you David. Now I finally know what all the artists I love have in common: Genesis, Tigran Hamasyan, Tool, Plini, Björk, Nine Inch Nails, and the Nintendo soundtracks. It's the time signature.

@ferretyluv Жыл бұрын

They’re all prog and math rock.

@cactus_judy3929 Жыл бұрын

My proposal for a musicology thesis project looks at this. its more common than you think.

@DavideMenezes42 Жыл бұрын

The dankest example of 13/8 and 13/4 is King Crimson's Frame by Frame. The guitars moving against each other, one being in 13/8 and the other in 13/4, until they collide again is just magical.

@alejandrotorves6483 Жыл бұрын

Masterpiece of a song

@velvetyamaranth8381 Жыл бұрын

King Crimson has several examples of odd meters. In fact, i'm surprised about the fact that David has never used King Crimson as examples. They're such masterpieces!!

@alejandrotorves6483 Жыл бұрын

@@velvetyamaranth8381 hi, I guess his tastes are not of that line, but he should talk more about kc in his videos, yes.

@lippi2171 Жыл бұрын

King Crimson is called "king" for a reason haha. The 13/8 solo section (or whatever the heck that is) in the song Starless is just masterful. That part literally taught me counting odd signatures, it's so clear and natural.

@pap_pap Жыл бұрын

starless from what i know also uses 13/8 close to the end

@ElvisMokko Жыл бұрын

I want to mention Starless by King Crimson. It has that odd time signature of 13/4 in the second half of the song which is a masterpiece.

@arpodyssey7913 Жыл бұрын

Then it switches up to 13/8 in the third part if I recall correctly

@colesondilbeck4582 Жыл бұрын

Exactly what I thought of. The jam at the end of the track is mostly in 13/8 and yet has an incredibly infectious groove

@beaudure01 Жыл бұрын

Gavin Harrison played in Porcupine Tree before (and after) his time in King Crimson, and there’s a great video in which he describes how he thinks of The Sound of Muzak in 7/16 rather than 7/8.

@pap_pap Жыл бұрын

wow i guess im not the only one who clicked here with king crimson in mind

@SomeCuteDoragons Жыл бұрын

It also switches up to 13/8

@thecoolestbro Жыл бұрын

You couldn't have shaved 9 seconds of the runtime?

@johnny_the_man Ай бұрын

😢

@Arycke Ай бұрын

It wouldn't have shown 13:8 anyways, it would show 13:08. It's not the same for me.

@2nouli 11 күн бұрын

13:16 still counts, he showed some 13/16 stuff

@giddyaunt9953 Жыл бұрын

I really like your explanation of the difference between13/4 and 13/8 - How one is an odd number of complete beats and the other has an extra half beat leading to it sounding more "wonky" than the quarter note version. Something I feel like I knew, but would probably not have been able to explain to anyone else - until now!

@DavidBennettPiano Жыл бұрын

😊😊😊😊

@philipgriffin Жыл бұрын

@@DavidBennettPiano Thanks for your channel, David. I would suggest (and maybe someone else has) that the Weapons Factory has 6 beats in it, but the 3rd beat is 1.5 times as long as the other 5. 6/8 has two beats in it, right? And they're 1.5 times as long as the beats in 3/4 - assuming eighth notes are constant. 7/8 often has 3 beats - maybe 2 + 2 + 3 (i.e. a long 3rd beat - common in certain Balkan music), or 3 + 2 + 2 (i.e. a long 1st beat - super common in lots of Greek music). In that part of the world 9/8 can be an irregular meter, 2 + 2 + 2 + 3, very much 4 beats, just one of them longer than the others. And BTW, I prefer irregular to odd. Irregular more descriptive, odd has other connotations. lionandtheeagle.bandcamp.com/track/postupano-and-eleno-mome-andy-busuttil-and-philip-griffin Here's a Macedonian tune in 13/8 (2 + 2 + 2 + 3 + 2 + 2) segued with another Macedonian tune in 7/8 (2 + 2 + 3)

@lp-xl9ld Жыл бұрын

During the formal music training I had back in the 1970s, weird time signatures like 5/4 (never mind 13/8!) were basically not mentioned. You've really expanded the horizons.

@DavidBennettPiano Жыл бұрын

😊😊

@michaellopez4746 Жыл бұрын

It's probably because they are not actually rhythmically coherent. Think of it like the art people make that's just a few lines and dots and people say yep looks like art to me. It may seem like music but in reality it's just a made up signature that doesn't follow the rules of math which is what makes music rhythmic in the first place. It feels like playing along with someone who doesn't count and misses a beat so you gotta compensate and just skip one yourself

@GODDAMNLETMEJOIN Жыл бұрын

@@michaellopez4746 On a scale of 1 to 10 how much do you enjoy smelling your own farts? Eight? Nine?

@liquidduck8052 Жыл бұрын

@@michaellopez4746 what does this even mean

@robokill387 8 ай бұрын

Complete nonsense.

@mintegral1719 Жыл бұрын

Yessss Firth of Fifth made it in! That intro also has several measures of 15/16, so it's also valid material for the inevitable "songs in 15" video ;)

@Baby_boodle Жыл бұрын

That ending piece is such a lovely little thing. It feels introspective and dreamy.

@XxX_J41M13_XxX Жыл бұрын

ikr? Ive been trying to figure out if its a cover or not bc i need the full version!

@GoodwinOgbuehi Жыл бұрын

I had the same thought. Also, wouldn't mind the lighter version that includes the car meows.

@mauritsbv Жыл бұрын

Funny that for Turn It On Again, Mike Rutherford played a slow guitar riff at first. Phil told him to speed it up and said ‘Do you realise it’s in 13/8’ on which Mike replied ‘What do you mean it’s in 13/8, it’s in 4/4’ but it was in 13. Classic Genesis jam session

@MarceloKatayama Жыл бұрын

didn't know that! That's amazing

@TheGerkuman Жыл бұрын

Tony Banks (who doesn't always enjoy playing live) found it amusing seeing people try to dance to this song because it has a strong pulse (making people want to dance) but the extra beat kept throwing them off.

@dougdrazga4461 Жыл бұрын

There's a section of "Robbery, Assault and Battery" that is in 13 as well. That's Phil at his Brand X best.

@MarceloKatayama Жыл бұрын

@@dougdrazga4461 Phil in his prime was a drumming monster. His duo with Bruford on the live version of the cinema show is incredible.

@waugsqueke Жыл бұрын

I'm glad you referenced Turn It On Again, especially your word about it previously. I think in the comments on that video I mentioned that in interviews, Phil has always said it was in 13. Weirdly Mike didn't realize it was an odd signature until Phil pointed it out to him.

@ivancho2076 Жыл бұрын

There is an interesting example of using 13/8 as a contrasting doubletime of 13/4 in instrumental part of King Crimson's Starless, really catches that bizarre KC's vibe right after more heavy, more spaced section

@originalloky Жыл бұрын

"Concrete Jungle" from the Simcity 3000 soundtrack (by Jerry Martin I think) is another in 13/8. It gave me the feeling of things getting increasingly frantic as the city grows

@cFrogjar 2 ай бұрын

Wow that "half beat" explanation was extremely helpful, you're amazing

@KooriGraywolf Ай бұрын

Videogame soundtracks are a treasure trove of odd time signatures, especially when involving imposing boss fights or alternative dimensions. And the weapins factory from Super Mario RPG just so happens to be one of my favorite odd time signature videogame tracks

@oliverzwahlen Жыл бұрын

So great that you start to include Genesis!!!

@patepulkkinenvtec2403 Жыл бұрын

Great video, nice to see some Genesis songs being mentioned. Would be cool if you did a video on "How Genesis writes a song", that would be super interesting, loads of slash chords and epic modulations in their music. I would add Robbery, Assault And Battery by Genesis and Free Will, Jacob's Ladder and Natural Science by Rush as songs that have a 13/8 time signature.

@davidmason9251 5 ай бұрын

Me too. I’d love that

@piguy314159 Жыл бұрын

"Skimbleshanks" from Cats also uses 13/8 in its chorus... and lots of other Andrew Lloyd Webber musicals also flirt with odd time signatures

@alyssagendron4209 Жыл бұрын

Trying to figure out what it says about me that this was the first example I thought of and went looking for this comment

@dulcimerrafi Жыл бұрын

@@alyssagendron4209 Me, too. It was the song that I first noticed the time signature. It's probably why I find it so catchy.

@CyclingSasquatch Жыл бұрын

Yes!! Everything's Alright from Jesus Christ Superstar is my absolute favorite 5/4 piece.

@feralcatgirl Жыл бұрын

he knows and chose not to include it :(

@DeejayBombita Жыл бұрын

This comment section is not free from Cats (2019) discussion

@wrorchestra1 Жыл бұрын

"I am the Doctor" by Murray Gold, from the Matt Smith era of Doctor Who is in 7/8 or 7/4 time (depending on what version you see) and you can really hear the cut-off beat that is actually driving the theme forward.

@naferemix Жыл бұрын

The Nintendo and jazz examples never landed in my ear no matter how many times I listened. The rock songs were instantly familiar though, which probably highlights the way we have become to accustomed to typical drums patterns (snare on 2 and 4 etc)

@miserirken Жыл бұрын

Plini mentioned WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Also, Jóga might be one of the most perfect songs ever made. Ps. the cat coming in meowing in time to the music is great.

@yironflas Жыл бұрын

The solo on Robery, Assault and Battery from Genesis is also in 13/8 but subdividing it in different forms but still all of them in 13/8

@mycosmosismine312 Жыл бұрын

I know this isn’t about 13/8 but this song is a bit too wild to ignore. In You Move by Depeche Mode, the verse alternates between 15/16 and normal 4/4, which means you could kinda say that the verse is could be interpreted as being in longer bars of 31/32 which is pretty interesting.

@DavidBennettPiano Жыл бұрын

Nice! I’ll check it out

@mandel94 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that song has an interesting time signature. Talking as a DM fan, it's a shame that the song sucks :-(

@sharpphilip Жыл бұрын

Speaking of DM and odd times/rhythms (not something they’re exactly known for), in the old b-side “Now This Is Fun,” the drum machine does a wacky stutter I’ve never been able to work out. I’m told it shifts to quintuplets, but I still don’t hear it. Anyone?

@mycosmosismine312 Жыл бұрын

@@mandel94 I don’t think it’s sucks per se as it does have some dark DM lyrics and some meaty bass synth, but I agree that it is an odd choice for the album in general, with it being quite an angry, politically-themed album

@mandel94 Жыл бұрын

@@sharpphilip yeah, that's a tough one to count, as that weird little break even switches up in thr middle.. love that section, though

@randomcoffeetable777 Жыл бұрын

One of my all-time favorite 13/8 parts is the opening to Promise Pt 2 by Arcane. It really feels like 13 but the time signature changes throughout the piece are fantastic, it plays around in 13/8, 4/4, 6/8, and 7/8. It also has my single favorite metric modulation from 7/8 to 4/4 by holding 1 note just a quarter note longer while completely changing the feel of the song. Highly recommend it.

@liquidsolids9415 Жыл бұрын

Awesome video, as usual. Yield by PJ is such a great album - thanks for highlighting it. Well done!

@rythyx Жыл бұрын

Antarctic Reinforcement by DM Dokuro off the Calamity Mod soundtrack for Terraria is the first example of a song in 13/8 I think of. The song primarily has this chopped up breakbeat which helps disorient your sense of time and you seem to get lost in the rhythm of the song. That is until the B section (or drop or whatever you want to call it) where you think you've found where the rhythm is but it's still in 13/8 so even that part throws you off very quickly.

@finray8436 Жыл бұрын

Oh yeah, that came to my mind too! I'm gonna have to listen to that album again, it's so good...

@andrewpappas9311 Жыл бұрын

I always heard that section of Schism as 6/8 and 7/8 so the full 13/8 makes sense, also I grew up playing Ocarina of Time (which is still one of my favourite games of all time) and had no idea that part was in 13/8 so that was really cool to learn. Additionally, the verses of Vicinity of Obscenity by System of a Down alternates between 13/16 and 15/16

@martinwall8006 Жыл бұрын

I knew all of this stuff. I play most of these tunes. I wan't going to let it finish thinking "Oh, he's left out Genesis". Then it came along. "Firth of Fifth", "Turn it on again" and much more (Supper's Ready etc). God you make me feel so lonely. Can we do lunch someday? Surely we can understand each other. I especially like the bit about 'grouping' and what it 'feels' like to our ears. Somewhat complex stuff but also easy listening if you run it right. The Beatles were masters of bumping beats around mostly via a lyric line. Clever. I do like complex but I LOVE it when it's made listenable. Great little tutorial here!

@matthewtrisch257 Жыл бұрын

The hook from Ontology by King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard is in rotating 7/4 and 6/4. The song has a super manic energy and the feel of the 13 very much adds to that crazy and manic feeling

@fenncarr3774 Жыл бұрын

If he ever runs out of Radiohead and Beatles he could continue this series with just king gizzard. Maybe he could start one on polyrythms using them as a regular example

@victormolina6713 Жыл бұрын

The short riff at the end of searching is in 13/8 but this one follows the 3-3-3-4 pattern like golden brown

@timwilbur4387 Жыл бұрын

Ontology goes so crazy live

@KozakuraRabbit Жыл бұрын

I think it’s impressive how many examples you’re able to find that use such obscure time signatures that even I haven’t seen much in concert band music. Personally I would classify Schism as alternating between 5/8 and 7/8 and Jóga as 4/4 with some 5/4 bars thrown in because even though the constantly changing time signatures may confuse the performer, it does give the performer a better idea of where to use accents.

@StKozlovsky Жыл бұрын

Schism alternates between 5 and 7 in the verses, but in those sections between the verses they double the length of the last note in the 5 part, so it becomes 6/8 + 7/8 = 13/8.

@dylankempthorne Жыл бұрын

So happy you mentioned electric sunrise! Thats the first song that comes to mind for 13/8

@rebus9675 Жыл бұрын

I love when i get notification from david

@maijaz6228 Жыл бұрын

Kitty showing her attitude ☺ Such a cutie 🥰

@guyedwards22 Жыл бұрын

The track 'Knowledge' from the OST for the indie game FEZ is a good example of 13/4. The whole song is actually a really cool rhythmic anomaly, it builds up a big polymeter stack of 4/4, 3/4, 5/4, and eventually 13/4. The harmonic idea of the song is also intriguing, it switches back and forth between A minor and F# Melodic Minor.

@ericowen4469 Жыл бұрын

This song is melting my brain right now dude thank you so much.

@guyedwards22 Жыл бұрын

@@ericowen4469 Of course man! I recommend giving the entire OST a listen, and also playing the game if you can. The music is extremely psychedelic without resorting to just being super weird. Genius work by Disasterpeace imo

@Terrabait Жыл бұрын

@@guyedwards22 the game is actually so freaking hard to beat it 100%

@fenomozo9108 Жыл бұрын

That soundtrack and the game are a masterpeace or should i say a Disasterpeace?

@LaraSchilling Жыл бұрын

I was really hoping you'd mention NIN's The Becoming, it's an awesome track. I covered it like a decade ago and converted it into 4/4 for the main part of the song (it goes into 6/8 for the middle part, which I just worked as four groups of 3/4). It was a bit tricky, but it worked out rhythmically.

@wozaow Жыл бұрын

I think he did briefly, about 1/4 to 1/3 of the way through the video.

@LaraSchilling Жыл бұрын

@@wozaow I meant that when I clicked on the video, I was hoping for it! I know he mentioned it :)

@ecelextra 6 ай бұрын

Most of The Collector from With Teeth is also in 13/8.

@jeremiahlyleseditor437 Жыл бұрын

Nice video David. You made another great one.

@composer7325 Жыл бұрын

Another excellent video, thank you ,David.

@Phobero Жыл бұрын

Yay Genesis!

@thesurprisebox Жыл бұрын

Excellent video! The Plini mention made me very happy

@haydenmarkham-ball Жыл бұрын

You read my mind man!! I’m a huge Plini fan, so thanks so much for including this!! The way I feel the 13/8 is essentially as if it’s in 4/4. I feel it as two bars of 4/4 (with the downbeat of the second bar occurring on what would be the ‘+’ of 3. I then feel a bar of 5/4 (or 10/8) to turn the phrase around. It sounds crazy, but it didn’t take long to get the hang of it.

@blobtuna236 Ай бұрын

Who else is watching not because of the time signature but because these videos are an endless treasure trove of awesome music

@GuilhermeSrfn Жыл бұрын

10:26 On the topic of alternating time signatures, Mastodon's "Sickle and Peace" verse section has three 7/8 measures followed by an 8/8 measure, which finally feels "complete". Then, they stop with the 8/8s before changing to 6/8 for the chorus. Really interesting use of this concept.

@kevinli6790 Жыл бұрын

this is a similar time signature shifting in Alfred Reed's El Camino Real for concert band

@nightsurvivor3673 Жыл бұрын

I'm in a Music Appreciation class and my professor mentioned Turn it on Again as having an example of an odd time signature, and now I can't get enough that song.

@katyburrows1079 Жыл бұрын

I love your Chanel David it’s awesome thank you for sharing this with us ❤️❤️❤️

@simic9664 Жыл бұрын

Brilliant video, thanks for your time and effort

@joustwave6541 Жыл бұрын

Appreciate the discussion at the end about situations in which you may not want to notate a large time signature. I confused the heck out of my old band doing it the wrong way from what you described. :)

@japhy5147 Жыл бұрын

Thank u for mentioning electric sunrise!! I love this song

@mcwulf25 Жыл бұрын

Great research! I know what you mean about breaking down into shorter bars. I think of Golden Brown as 3334 and Turn it on Again as 76 too. This is often the case with odd time though. An exception is Take Five.

@nbnewman Жыл бұрын

Apart from the middle section of 'Starless' by King Crimson (as mentioned previously), there are a few more gems from the British progressive rock music of the mid-70s (I know, before you were born): 'Childlike faith in childhood's end' by Van der Graaf Generator, and 'Siberian Khatru' by Yes.

@violet_broregarde Жыл бұрын

Oh hey Weapons Factory is the first example of 13/8 i thought of, weirdly enough. Love seeing SMRPG on your channel :D

@DavidBennettPiano Жыл бұрын

😊😊😊

@rome8180 Жыл бұрын

I definitely hear Joga as 4/4, 4/4, and 5/4. I hear three strong downbeats: STATE of eMERgency, how BEAUtiful to be. Because those downbeats are so strong, it makes more sense to my brain to think of them as the start of a new measure.

@ovelhoranzinza4021 Жыл бұрын

Fine. I always hear it as three measures of 4 and one measure of 1.

@ultimatefunktimegroovystan7885 Жыл бұрын

Very cool breakdowns and song choices, my man

@rainbowgaze Жыл бұрын

13/8 is my favorite odd meter, and what's even better is you mentioned the song that made me realize it was my favorite meter, "Electric Sunrise"!

@DukaMenezes Жыл бұрын

What a great video! Thanks David. Bjork also has a few other songs with odd time signatures, but not 13/8. "Vertebrae by vertebrae" is in 9/8 while "Atom Dance" is 5/8. "Moon" also has an odd time signature but I couldn't figure out which one it is.

@cable4751 Жыл бұрын

there should be a playlist for each video you make! these are all very good songs I love them!

@TigerRogers0660 Жыл бұрын

Thanks David!! I could never work out the time sig of Golden Brown!! You've explained it well.

@DillonSmith0527 Жыл бұрын

I saw the title and immediately thought of Golden Brown by the Stranglers and Turn It On Again by Genesis

@estherstreet4582 Ай бұрын

Golden Brown is a beautiful example of the 3/3/3/4 grouping, it works so well. The last four notes of the phrase in the harpsichord (?) part tickle my brain so well

@Dipwad Ай бұрын

Came up with a 13/8 beat yesterday and it took me a hot minute to figure out the time signature. Now I'm getting recommended this video lol

@Flatscores Жыл бұрын

“Päikesevene” (“The Sunboat”) by Estonian progressive rock group In Spe is very conspiquously in 13/8 (7+6).

@aslinfirmin212 Жыл бұрын

Thank you, just thank you !

@DavidBennettPiano Жыл бұрын

😀😀

@emilyrln Жыл бұрын

Loving Millie's commentary! What a cute floof 💕

@DavidBennettPiano Жыл бұрын

🐱🐱

@jasonremy1627 Жыл бұрын

Three examples in, and we're already doing Armenian Jazz...

@samrusso4374 Жыл бұрын

2:43 Anyone who listens to Zolak and Bertrand on 98.5 The Sports Hub will constantly hear that 13/8 portion of the song whenever they come back from a commercial break. Every time I heard that, I was wondering what time signature it was in. Thanks to you, now I know!

@denni-sl.c Жыл бұрын

My favourite 13/8 tune is "Etherclock" by Ozric Tentacles. Love these videos, great work David!

@g6o8 Жыл бұрын

I'm so happy you included Plini in this video!

@corentinachard7307 Жыл бұрын

Great video as always ! You should check "Wait" by Pain of Salvation : a 6/4 time signature divided in two alternating bars of 13/8 and 11/8 creating a veeeeery unstable feeling. It resolves at the end, making the last chorus very satisfying :)

@bmac4 Жыл бұрын

The song that comes to mind for me is From the Flame by Leprous, which has verses in 13/8 with a pulse that almost feels like 8/8 + 5/8, and a second verse that feels like it's in a polymeter with the snare being on every 8th beat. It's a weird song but it works in its execution.

@alexcash488 Жыл бұрын

One of my favorite examples is Heat Distraction by Women features an opening riff in 13/8, verses in 5/4, a bridge in 4/4, and then goes back to 13/8. I think it really leans into the uncanniness of the odd meter by starting odd, getting progressively less odd, and then coming back to it

@Laurasiana Жыл бұрын

Tam Lin by Fairport Convention, and (much of) Robbery, Assault & Battery by Genesis are in 13… Although whether it’s 13/4 or 13/8, I can’t recall. Thanks for making these time signature videos! Very enjoyable.

@cicalinarrot Жыл бұрын

Robbery, Assault & Battery is the first (and the craziest) thing that comes to my mind in 13. That absurd solo right in the middle of a fairly simple joyful song is pretty weird even for my Genesis fetish.

@mintegral1719 Жыл бұрын

Hey, we already got 2 Genesis songs in this video, 3 might be pushing it ;)

@cicalinarrot Жыл бұрын

@@mintegral1719 no amount of Genesis songs can ever be too many Genesis songs :D

@nbnewman Жыл бұрын

Tam Lin is mainly in 3/4; in the verses, every fourth bar has an extra beat. So one could say that the verses vary between 6/8 and 7/8, but not 13. The instrumental passages are firmly in 3/4.

@samuelecallegari6117 Жыл бұрын

I love how Fairport played with time, at the beginning they almost sound always the same but then you begin to notice how much they put in the rhythmic section doing apparently very simple things that are actually very particular

@LeDerpChris Жыл бұрын

Plini got mentioned!!! You earned a subscribe!!!

@AnthyLoneExoria Жыл бұрын

Thanks for introducing me to some rad songs.

@sharpphilip Жыл бұрын

I absolutely love the Millie outtakes.

@carlo4594 Жыл бұрын

Another song that is technically in 13/4 is the opening number from the Broadway show “13.” It’s about a bunch of 13 year olds in Indiana but the opening number’s chorus is literally a 13 beat phrase repeated over and over again. One of my favorite music Easter eggs.

@juniperj 7 ай бұрын

Was so excited to see you use a Genesis example!!!!!!!!

@carrotcat2729 3 ай бұрын

My favourite song in 13/8 is Dreaming, by Avishai Cohen. Truly one of the best jazz songs out there.

@marksoftime Жыл бұрын

So pleased to see Genesis in here 😁 Firth of Fifth is easily one of my favourite tracks; Selling England one of my favourite albums.

@Labyrinth1010 Жыл бұрын

That Ocarina one! So cool. Love that piece.

@weepingscorpion8739 Жыл бұрын

You know, this video was going to be great either way but the fact that yes, you did include the theme from The Terminator just elevated it to a higher level. And now that explains also the response you gave me to this on the 11 video. Also, it was very cool to see some electronic and synthesizer music aswell. So, great video. Also: CAT! :)

@DavidBennettPiano Жыл бұрын

🐱 😊

@loganoverholser974 7 ай бұрын

Great vid!

@jamesdignanmusic2765 Жыл бұрын

My favourite song in 13-time is Pete Shelley's "I Generate a Feeling", off the "Homosapien" album, but it's probably better described as alternating bars in 6/4 and 7/4. Much of Tori Amos's "Spark" also has 13 beats. The sax break from "Starless" by King Crimson and the first part of "The Man With 100 Cells" by Stereolab are also in 13/8.

@andrewhudson9014 Жыл бұрын

This is fantastic! Thank you! I nominate two songs to add to your 13/8 list: The tag of Skimbleshanks from the musical Cats (forgive me since it’s Cats LOL) - 3 3 3 2 2 On Snarky Puppy’s latest album, Honiara is in 13/8, but largely 7+6 (a la the subdivisions you talked about at the end of the video)

@cakemartyr5794 Жыл бұрын

Oh, very good video. Two Genesis songs (and a cat!). Well done. I'd be interested if you could look into Down and Out from their album And Then There Were Three. Unusual drum pattern, so I wonder what time signature that is.

@Blockoumi Жыл бұрын

funnily enough, the solo of robbery assault and battery is in 13/8

@patepulkkinenvtec2403 Жыл бұрын

Down And Out uses one bar of 4/4 and one bar of 6/4, of course the chorus is in 4/4. It sounds more complicated than it actually is, thanks to the complex and whacky drum beat that Phil plays there. And Tony as usual plays a billion different chords over that d-pedaltone, which doesn't make it sound any easier. Add Mike's guitar riff there and you have some pretty proggy stuff.

@JeffWardMusic Жыл бұрын

I've always counted the verse in Down & Out in 5/4, chorus 4/4

@patepulkkinenvtec2403 Жыл бұрын

@@JeffWardMusic That's interesting, you could count it in 5/4 as well, however, for some reason I have thought about it having a bar 4/4 and a bar of 6/4 instead.

@Aquatarkus96 Жыл бұрын

Down and Out is in 5/4 or possibly 10/8

@MarceloKatayama Жыл бұрын

A great song in 13/4 and 13/8 is the second half of King Crimson' starless, for anyone who is interested.

@mintegral1719 Жыл бұрын

Starless was the most-suggested song on his Reddit post about songs in odd time signatures, but I very much understand why he wouldn't want to include a King Crimson song in his video. Fripp is notorious for copyright strikes...

@MarceloKatayama Жыл бұрын

@@mintegral1719 Oh, right! I forgot about Fripp' infamous streak. Nice to see it was, at the very least, considered. :D

@guzmankouyoumdjian9978 Жыл бұрын

‘’Tam Lin’’ by Fairport Convention is also in 13/8.

@GothikBeerTV Ай бұрын

I love that chord progression at the end! Nice! If you release it, please let me know!

@TomerII Жыл бұрын

Firth of Fifth actually has 13/16 going on for a few bars in the piano intro.

@mc_mc_music Жыл бұрын

Damn I was too late. The third track in my next album (in development), called Fight or Flight, is also in 13/8. I used to claim it as "the world's first song entirely in 13/16 time," but I realized that it wasn't fast enough for that. Out of all the songs in said upcoming album, it is by far the most experimental, with the aforementioned odd time signature and a sort of tacky drum solo. It could possibly be better notated as two bars of 4/8 followed by a bar of 5/8, though. It's one of the more forgettable songs in that album, but for such a weird time signature, I would say I did a good job! Also, cool video.

@rome8180 2 ай бұрын

So cool that you included "Stars" by Yo-Yo Ma and Bobby McFerrin. That is probably my favorite Bobby McFerrin song. I don't think most people know that album.

@avhertzevent 11 ай бұрын

Very helpful ❤

@garycitro1674 Жыл бұрын

Great sleuthing, David! I must reluctantly confess that I may not have been able to break down a number of those examples you used to find out the actual time signatures.

@Gianmaria_ Жыл бұрын

Cats are always amazingly good listeners... and "assistants". :) :) :)

@-k-b- Жыл бұрын

Was always curious what time signature Joga was in, love that song! I became an immediate fan hearing that song (and album really)

@spongebabe27 Жыл бұрын

Millie at the end joining in is one of the sweetest things I've seen in a long time 😭❤️ sorry I'm a bit late to this one, David! Catching up now, see you on the most recent vid :p

@carstenlechte Жыл бұрын

YES! I didn't know, but I needed that information on "Golden Brown"!

@DavidBennettPiano Жыл бұрын

😊 I love that song!

@andyghkfilm2287 Жыл бұрын

Fantastic explanation of the difference between odd/8 and odd/4 time signatures.

@gabrielsabode Жыл бұрын

there's a 13/8 section in jaco pastorius' portrait of tracy that is very cool and good :)

@Thirdeariespace Жыл бұрын

The 3+3+3+4 version 0f 13/4 is used to great effect in Garnet Mimms's "My baby", one of the most driving 60s soul tracks. It's a great way to make a song move you forward.