Songs that use 19/8 time

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We are reaching the realistic peak of these odd time signature videos! And yet, despite the advance and unusual nature of 19/8 time, there are still ample examples of this very odd meter being put to great musical use.
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Danny Seraphine On Counting And Playing 19/8: • Danny Seraphine On Cou...
The Problem of Other Minds (Matt Garstka Drum Playthrough): • ANIMALS AS LEADERS - T...
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0:00 Introduction
0:16 Chicago
1:57 Don Ellis
3:16 Pianote
4:13 Bruford
4:49 Animals As Leaders
5:13 Herbie Hancock
5:35 19/4
6:55 Piano piece in 19/8 time

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@DavidBennettPiano Жыл бұрын

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@klaxoncow Жыл бұрын

I love your 19/8 song at the end. I think you just proved that everyone else was in error from not attempting this one sooner, as it works exceedingly well. With the arpeggio that just skips a beat, unexpectedly on the fifth time round. It's a nice choice to subdivide that way, as it makes it not sound odd, even though it is. It's got that subtle "just feels a little bit off-kilter" but not obviously so. Just the right amount of "odd".

@RobPrice-vy6kz Жыл бұрын

Can’t wait for Karnivools Goliath in the 27/4 Video. Great job.

@ethanholmes5677 Жыл бұрын

When are we going to get “Songs That Use 4/4 Time”? I’ve been waiting this whole time and David has been avoiding it so hard that he did 19/8 😔

@BantheDan Жыл бұрын

joking aside I'd actually be interested in 8/4 and 16/8. Some songs are 8/4 because they either are grouped 3 + 3 + 2 or because they alternate between 7/8 and 8/8 so it's easier to count than going to 4/4. Also I've seen a couple of songs that folk call 16/8 just because the phrasings are 16 beats.

@toblexson5020 Жыл бұрын

It would be interesting to see songs that both heavily play into 4/4, and also songs that disguise their 4/4 time. Or even just different ways to play the bass (or drum, but Bennett is a pianist), with 4/4 time, because a lot of small variations have been developed due to how popular it is. A common one off the top of my head is adding a flourish to beat 3.

@BantheDan Жыл бұрын

but 99% of the time any exponent of 2 on the top people just write as 4/4. It needs a good reason to be written otherwise.

@kyyla771 Жыл бұрын

@@toblexson5020 "Disguising 4/4"? This isn't a good example, as it does not exactly disguise it's 4/4, but anyway this sprung to mind: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e5lyZ8WfqNOUh6M.html Tuomari Nurmio - "Kauas tahdon matkustaa" (Finland 1981) - highly critically acclaimed but quite idiosyncratic record. I remember reading somewhere that directions for the drummer were something like "Take the forwards driving force of 2 and 4 in a 4/4 beat, and put them in 1 and 3, so it's more like holding back"

@aresh.4341 Жыл бұрын

@@toblexson5020 If you haven't already, listen to Bonnie the Cat by Porcupine Tree. Still hard to believe it's in 4/4 with no tuplets

@FinnFletcherWhite Жыл бұрын

I think Sungazer’s ‘Threshold’ is a really awesome example of 19/16. Not 19/8 I know, just a personal favourite 19 time signature

@phonetyx Жыл бұрын

technically speaking, threshold is in 4/4 but every beat is a 19-tuplet. so in reality its basically 19/16

@FinnFletcherWhite Жыл бұрын

@@phonetyx I saw that in Adam Neely’s breakdown of the song (or Shawn Crowder’s, I’m not quite sure which one it was). Really interesting to think it was written in 4/4, I never would have expected that listening to it!

@unohu3047 Жыл бұрын

@@FinnFletcherWhite That was the whole point of the Perihelion album really, exploring musical ambiguity and uncanny valleys.

@GizzyDillespee Жыл бұрын

My favorite 19 time is 19/7. And yes, my amp goes to 11. 🙄 Ever since they invented those, why would you buy an amp that only goes to 10?! Who the heck has a favorite 19 time signature?! You must be a drummer, sure, but even then?!!! Holy smokes. I don't even want to click on your name. I'm scared.

@FinnFletcherWhite Жыл бұрын

@@unohu3047 absolutely, my favourite example of that would probably have to be Macchina

@insania6776 Жыл бұрын

We want a full version of this final piece. The unachieved aspect of the time signature is really fitting the ambiance.

@exitthelemming145 Жыл бұрын

Can't help but think the most important aspect of what determines a piece's meter is the phrase length e.g. in the last 19/4 example, to my ears, the phrase length is just four x 4 beat arpeggios followed by a three beat arpeggio. If you could come up with a musical phrase or melodic theme that breathes naturally over the entire span of a 19/4 measure then yes, your piece is in 19/4 otherwise it's just an arithmetical sleight of hand.

@neonmeate8180 Жыл бұрын

Unachieve the aspect of deez nutz

@deftfkaubgup4669 Жыл бұрын

We gonna be getting songs in 23/32 at this rate 😭

@lemonize30 Жыл бұрын

74/209

@badenfitzmaurice9013 Жыл бұрын

New Millenium Cyanide Christ by Meshuggah is in 23/16. I think it loops 23/16 and 13/16 until it comes back around to 128/16, which divides down to 4/4. Crazy.

@Fafa_Sauce Жыл бұрын

Scratch that 1264/1880

@lemonize30 Жыл бұрын

@@Fafa_Sauce a lot/good luck

@Fafa_Sauce Жыл бұрын

@@lemonize30 lmaoo

@josiek5989 Жыл бұрын

King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard's song Shanghai melody is in 19/8 polymeter over 4/4 drums. Feels grouped as 4-4-4-4-3 to me. Love odd time!

@atharvachoudhary6974 Жыл бұрын

I can't believe he didn't include Shanghai, the 19 beat riff over normal 4/4 drums are so interesting But you can argue it's in 19/4 but still. If you gotta make a time sig video better learn up on your Gizz, Tool and Genesis beforehand

@SotraEngine4 Жыл бұрын

The final song feels like a kind of grieving. Like, there is a rhythm, but then it is cut short, as like the loved one is just whisked away, completely sudden and unexpectedly

@joebykaeby Жыл бұрын

The eerie melancholy of your song is a perfect fit for rhythmic structure that feels like it’s missing a tiny piece here and there

@kdub1242 Жыл бұрын

The guitar solo on Zappa's "Keep It Greasy" from the famous Joe's Garage album is in 19/16 time, grouped as 7+5+7. Vinnie Colaiuta's performance is astonishing (as usual), fluid and grooving. The verse is in 21/16, while the chorus is in 4/4. it's very much worth checking out.

@jokubask5309 Жыл бұрын

It's nice to see zappa getting appreciated

@hughstark4882 Жыл бұрын

I got joes garage acts II &III for my birthday last week so I’m a bit disappointed not to actually see it in the video. This comment is still great tho

@rainbowrotcod 4 ай бұрын

hell yeah joes garage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@andrewpappas9311 Жыл бұрын

Rusty Cage has always been one of my favourite Soundgarden songs and never realized it was in 19, additionally I never even knew that 19/8 was even a time signature since I've never heard anything in it before but it definitely sounds interesting. Great video as always, David

@pongop Жыл бұрын

I didn't know it was either! Growing up, I mostly heard Soundgarden's singles, but a few years ago I heard some full albums and I didn't realize they played in different time signatures and styles! I hate the radio, MTV, and pop music. We miss out on all the best music!

@GiveSic Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing this! Would have never figured that out on my own

@DeskLazer Жыл бұрын

It's interesting, because I always heard it as 2x 6/4 and 1x 7/4 (and I actually thought it was 9/4 + 10/4 the first time!) David hears is at 3x 3/4 with 2x 5/4, which is not something I considered and changes the feel for me, in a cool way. Also @pongop, rusty cage was the first soundgarden song I ever heard, on radio! It was a killer single and introduced me to the rest of their catalogue.

@brian1749 Жыл бұрын

That piece at the end is absolutely beautiful!!! Well done, sir!

@wearetomorrowspast.5617 Жыл бұрын

I remember an interview with Bill Bruford where he was talking about fans telling him that he was one of the greatest rock/prog drummers. His response was: "I thought we were playing Jazz". Perfect. This vid has me thinking of writing a song in 21/12. Rush fans never sleep.

@salty_3k506 Жыл бұрын

what does 21/12 even mean? 21 8th note triplets? or rather 7 triplets or just something in 7/4

@wearetomorrowspast.5617 Жыл бұрын

@@salty_3k506 It's a Rush joke.

@salty_3k506 Жыл бұрын

@@wearetomorrowspast.5617 hm okay. i guess i get it actually because their album is called 2112. could have noticed that myself actually lol. i was just too perplexed by what 21/21 would actually be as a time signature to think about the album.

@spongyfungus Жыл бұрын

David Bennett’s composition in 19/8 is absolutely gorgeous.. best part of the video, emotionally speaking.. 👌🏻

@diegowilliams1608 Жыл бұрын

I have been absolutely obsessed with Don Ellis recently. You could make an entire series dedicated to all of the weird time signatures he's used.

@SuperIdiotMan00 Жыл бұрын

I could make Dream Theater addendums to every one of these videos, but a few I'll mention here is the outro of Home (last several bars are in 19/16, essentially 4/4+3/16 feel), and Pale Blue Dot (which goes from 4+4+4+4+3 to 3+3+3+3+3+4 in the intro)

@MaydupNem Жыл бұрын

I tried to learn home on drums, and the whole thing is easy except for the last part; that would screw me up every time

@Rio_1111 Жыл бұрын

I never even noticed that about Pale Blue Dot. Very cool

@wozzywick Жыл бұрын

I love this series of videos. I agree with the Chicago guy- anyone can write in an unusual time signature, it’s making it feel natural that’s impressive

@adamsmith7058 Жыл бұрын

That's it exactly. It should appear completely natural rather than bolted on, like a Frankenstein monster, in order to appear clever. It should work as if the piece couldn't work any other way,

@Zantor Жыл бұрын

The way I learnt to count in 19/8 was Dream Theater's "Pale Blue Dot" the main riff is very clearly counted in 1, 2, 3, 4, 123

@bo77om Жыл бұрын

David, that piece you wrote is amazing!!!!

@sharpphilip Жыл бұрын

David, your original compositions after all of your recent odd time videos have been lovely. I do hope you’ll consider fleshing them out into full pieces one day and grouping them into an album!

@adamsmith7058 Жыл бұрын

I'd pay money for that.

@mintegral1719 Жыл бұрын

His own version of Time Out lol

@colinbaker3916 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for featuring Chicago. They became synonymous with simple ballads, but their earliest music is quite complex and satisfying.

@PuppetMasterIX Жыл бұрын

The outro of "Home" and the intro of "Pale Blue Dot", both by Dream Theater, are played in 19/16. In both cases they're essentially played as 4 4 4 4 3.

@ritz1119 Жыл бұрын

The piano piece in 19/8 time at the end is so beautiful!

@matthewdockray9745 Жыл бұрын

Can you make an album with all your odd time signature piano pieces? They’re sick

@adamsmith7058 Жыл бұрын

Lovely tune at the end. Filling it out in my mind, with a small string ensemble, languid extemporised fretless bass and suspended cymbals played with brushes. Sounds great as it is though, with a more minimal arrangement. Would love to hear this with a suite of other similar pieces.

@holdingpattern245 Жыл бұрын

I like this signature actually. You can make it really frantic by building it out of 3-segments, or really chill by building it out of 4-segments. It's got an addictive sound, I'm just tapping out 3 3 3 3 7 and switching it occasionally to 3 3 3 5 5 and it sounds wild, but if I try 4 4 4 4 3 or 4 4 4 7 then it settles into a chill groove, like 16 with a very relaxed ending. 7 7 5 is weird but I can imagine a pop song using it, it has a dance kind of rhythm to it.

@KaidenBird Жыл бұрын

I see tosin I click

@dylankempthorne Жыл бұрын

I wish he talked more about them 😭

@iancurry Жыл бұрын

your composition at the end is hauntingly beautiful. i love the feel that the grouping you used provides.😀

@mattwhite399 Жыл бұрын

David, your piece at the end is remarkable! Please flesh out into a full production and release!

@RockStar85674 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely gorgeous outro and whole material itself! Thanks a lot!

@myplantswearpants1030 Жыл бұрын

I always look forward to your original compositions that you include at the end of the video. Would love a compilation of those and the exercises that employ.

@xgc_ssb Жыл бұрын

Animal As Leaders as been cited FINALLY, they are so talented

@brandonwootton5575 Жыл бұрын

A great example of 19/8 grouped 4, 4, 4, 4, 3 is Frank Zappa’s “Keep it greasy”. There are also many other great examples of esoteric music theory concepts in the song

@petersvan7880 Жыл бұрын

Just seeing the title of this video made be smile. Why simple when it can be complicated? But well, great stuff analyzing these odd signatures! Beautiful piano piece at the end :)

@camcamgamer Жыл бұрын

I absolutely love you videos. Keep Up The Great WORK!

@DavidBennettPiano Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@AlyraMoondancer Жыл бұрын

That piece you wrote there at the end is just beautiful, David. Thank you for a moment of sheer heaven. :)

@nenostevens5176 Жыл бұрын

Very nice work. Clear and easy to follow. Your end track is way kewl!

@12gaugeStratigrad Жыл бұрын

Petition to make DAW's allow you to use numerators and in some cases denominators above 16.

@12gaugeStratigrad Жыл бұрын

I'm aware i can easily notate long TS's by notating the bars to whatever Time Signature i need by accenting them, but i'm a freak, i wan't to subvert the listener.

@SomethingWellesian Жыл бұрын

I had a friend in college who wrote a piece for harp called Rising, named in honour the Irish rebellion of 1916, in 19/16 time. If I remember right, she built it so that it felt like a reel (two sets of eight quavers) with a “missed step” three semiquavers rounding off every bar.

@maxwellclark2345 Жыл бұрын

Years ago I played with a Balkan / Klezmer band that wrote original music in addition to playing traditional and standards... We had a song called "559". You can probably guess what time signature that was in!

@BrokenWingman Жыл бұрын

Great explanation! Also loved your piano piece at the end; very sad and beautiful.

@farn451 Жыл бұрын

Totally hear that Don Ellis track as 6/8/ 5/8 and 4/4. The first part swings and then straightens up to my ears.

@colins2 Жыл бұрын

Excellent video, loved your composition at the end!

@cakemartyr5794 Жыл бұрын

Very nice piece at the end. Thanks for featuring Bruford.

@luchino9978 9 ай бұрын

The song at the end is beatiful ! Great job !

@patemblen3644 11 ай бұрын

I love your ending compositions, you are so consistently good man. Kudos.

@SamStormsKBD Жыл бұрын

Another great video, not to mention the beautiful piece in the end 👏🏻

@Hakabas01 8 ай бұрын

Excellent explanation, and a nice tune at the end!

@atanjacket Жыл бұрын

Hey the explainer videos are awesome to showcase who has used different patterns in music, but the music you have done at the end of the videos that I have seen are great songs.

@ngmelville Жыл бұрын

As always, very eye-opening video; that song at the end was very superb. Your deconstruction is a great way to get motivated to write!

@DavidBennettPiano Жыл бұрын

😊 thank you!

@jackmadden8234 Жыл бұрын

6:53 Although it's in 19/16 rather than 8 or 4, "Home" by Dream Theater is a good example of a song that uses the 4+4+4+4+3 subdivision.

@TyTheRegularMan Жыл бұрын

So glad that Don Ellis is getting so much exposure! He's my favorite trumpeter and bandleader of all time.

@Ivanskywaker Жыл бұрын

Your song at the end is amazing! Beatiful and nostalgic, I can see it as the score of a movie of lost and hope

@MadSlantedPowers Жыл бұрын

Love your tune at the end. It would fit in well with some of the ambient music I listen to, but would also be a great basis for a slow, melancholy rock song that builds up to some power chords.

@clipsmasterproductions7479 Жыл бұрын

Man, your composition at the end is so weird and syncopated feeling in the best way!

@crim-jim6814 Жыл бұрын

Loved the song you made at the end, had a very spooky forresty vibe to it.

@criggie Жыл бұрын

Your example shows it well - I hear it as the arpeggiato is just "stepping forward" occasionally but its still a even number/4 So the "first beat" becomes later in the rising sequence.

@mikaeldk5700 Жыл бұрын

Tool: "Pneuma". A total of 31/8, but everyone seems to hear the subdivisions different. A very interesting piece of music.

@PauloT.Silva-pts.anywhen Жыл бұрын

Beautiful Music you made. Just beautiful.

@fabiobomme9526 Жыл бұрын

Wonderful video, with an interesting composition at the end. Thank you

@DavidBennettPiano Жыл бұрын

Thank you 😊

@NeonRadarMusic Жыл бұрын

There's a long bit in the intro of Rival Sons' Look Away which is in 19/8. Quite an underrated band.

@Jedward108 Жыл бұрын

Beautiful song you performed at the end.

@noamrosen6550 Жыл бұрын

I really love your videos and I would love to watch a video about songs that share the same structure

@nedim_guitar Жыл бұрын

Great stuff, David! A reminder to try and mix it up a bit sometimes with different beats.

@stepladderwick7056 Жыл бұрын

My favourite use of 19 in music has got to be the intro riff to Mike Oldfield's "Amarok" which is in 19/16 and kicks absolute ass!

@DForSpiD Жыл бұрын

Might be my favorite piece you've done for the end of one of these videos

@0salum0 Жыл бұрын

certain songs in odd time have a jolting sound in their music and I feel like a great musician can help soothe this jolt

@krismer7742 Жыл бұрын

i’ve been waiting to see Tosin in one of these thumbnails for YEARS

@juanfenaranjo Жыл бұрын

Such an amazing video David! I have one example from a band from Colombia that use traditional rythmes and Indian Taketina inspired theory, they have a song that holds many explanations of the use of rythm, but the interesting part of this, is that one of those explanations for the song, sais that they have a global mesure of 200/8. I know it sounds kind of crazy, but as I said, is just one of the many ways of explain the starting point in the strong pulse of rythm. So let me know if you are interested on this.

@TigerRogers0660 Жыл бұрын

Great video again David!! Love your piano piece at the end!! Wonder what would happen if you placed the the group of 3 in between the the two groups of 4?? There would then have to be a strong accent to start the progression again.

@haikovd8371 Жыл бұрын

Hell's Bells is one of the catchiest riffs ever

@erickborling1302 Жыл бұрын

BILL BRUFORD "Hell's Bells" from One of a Kind.

@erickborling1302 Жыл бұрын

Fun lyric to go with the opening riff ||: Can you feel, can you feel, can you feel nineteen :||

@DanTurfMan96 Жыл бұрын

David Bennett, your outro is beautiful, as always.

@SoleaGalilei Жыл бұрын

I really love your outro piece. It sounds like it could belong on A Moon Shaped Pool.

@torgeirbrandsnes1916 Жыл бұрын

Great vlog as always. This complex things pisses me off. Lol! I think I need a Campario. Keep up the good work. Look out for random left over notes…

@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for the fascinating video

@jonathansefcik473 Жыл бұрын

The main riff of Dream Theater's "Pale Blue Dot" is in 19/16. I know, not technically 19/8, but still an example of 19 beats per measure.

@Hutch500 Жыл бұрын

Finally a David Bennett that features Animals as Leaders!!!! Been waiting for so long for you to mention them as their music is so complex

@gabrieletrovato3939 2 ай бұрын

Beautiful video as always. Please publish your piece in 19/8 on Spotify 🙏🏻

@arcticlemur5436 Жыл бұрын

I cant believe there was no mention of “Undeviginti” by Simon Phillips. I mean the title is literally nineteen. Great work though, I love this series!

@ClawHammermusic Жыл бұрын

A video on finding the 1 in some complex drums like Ginger Baker and Matt Cameron would be cool.

@nottheonlydreamer9512 Жыл бұрын

Your original piece at the end is really good, very cinematic. Put some strings on it and you've got a film score

@TedThomasTT Жыл бұрын

I didn't expect to see Tosin in a thumbnail 🤘

@nbnewman Жыл бұрын

Great video. As soon as I saw the title, I thought to myself "Hell's bells", so I'm pleased that you covered that piece of music. In what time signature would you consider to be the second half of the original version of "Matty Groves" by Fairport Convention (it's a tune called 'Famous flower of serving men')? I once sequenced the tune/riff and it came out with 19 beats.

@elen5871 Жыл бұрын

wow that 4 4 4 4 3 is really compelling, i love how it keeps you from ever 'settling in' to the song.

@DavidBennettPiano Жыл бұрын

😊😊😊

@elen5871 Жыл бұрын

@@DavidBennettPiano can I just take a quick second to thank you? your videos like these have really rekindled my love of music, this is all the stuff I was too ADHD to learn when I was a kid and just wanted to play in punk bands instead of jazz band, but now it's like OHHHH THAT'S WHY THINGS SOUND COOL WHEN I DO THAT, been eating up your back catalog and subscribed. super appreciate all you've done! 🥰

@DavidBennettPiano Жыл бұрын

@@elen5871 thank you! That means a lot 😊😊😊

@bobboulden Жыл бұрын

I love the outro!

@marlin2131 Жыл бұрын

the different piano emphases on the outro song js great. it reminds me a lot of the excellent silent hill 2 soundtrack

@jimw6659 Жыл бұрын

Oh, thank you - Chicago Transit Authority is an amazing album… and I grew up playing Hell’s Bells - Bruford’s finest 😊

@marvelboy74 8 ай бұрын

Once again, David understood the assignment with his composition. Very beautiful.

@IloIoll Жыл бұрын

You have come up with a very cool melody. I would like to hear her in some movies)

@KozakuraRabbit Жыл бұрын

I’d love to see videos on time signatures that are over 16, like 8/16, 12/16, etc.

@mintegral1719 Жыл бұрын

If you ever feel compelled to continue this series, an early section of 'Methuselah's Children' by Moon Safari has alternating measures of 11/8 and 12/8, which you could definitely choose to count as 23/8 if you wanted to ;)