Why do you tell us that?

What is the music called for 7:04

@@MariaBernadetteGaluraFajardo Because giving credit is the right thing to do?

@@thecollector8222 Going Down from Sonic Adventure

@@TZMHBT thanks

I mean Big's levels are just fishing, though it would be odd to compare him suddenly running around in Emerald Coast.

Faster fishing tho

Imagine Big blitzing his way to a pond at high speed just to sit down and fish some more

It is in the conversion if you wanna try it out yourself. I think mech tails is the optimal conversion for him

@@TZMHBT You said no one was getting left behind, poor choice of words

Sonic Heroes devs saw Sonic Advance 2 and got ideas

Boost Formula Games: .....I AM SPEED

Well, SEGA saw how fast Heroes was, they made Sonic slow in 06.

"Even without wings, I can still fly!"

@@Aviii_ Lol, That's Exactly what I was thinking!!!

@@Aviii_ "...Right?"

Good work, once you're done there can you make the spindash just kind of randomly decide when it's going to actually work?

​@phootaphan9166 It's not random, your teammates have to be behind you.

Yes

Gamma too

@@Diwasho I guess it's because Gamma doesn't really have an equivalent in Heroes in terms of control, while I know that Omega exists, he controls like Knuckles right?

Metal sonic too

Bruh I think he hit Barry Allen

@@anthonywhite4656 9:12 He did, there xD

It's like that one Sonic Short with Sonic and the Secret Rings, when he's going to Night Palace and uses Speed Break but smashes into the camera.

@@thegamerator10 Fully upgraded Secret Rings Sonic was nuts. You pretty much had to have the level memorized, because he moved so fast you couldn't see half of what was coming 😂

I love Amy's gameplay in sa1, but I can see your point.

I prefer giving her Sonic's or Tails regular SA1 physics, it makes her a bit faster but it doesn't break the game. Even Knuckles physics is fine.

sonic is easily faster then mario speedrunner demon

@@lemonate6163 Please don't be triggered. This Is just a joke based on no facts but videogame logics xD

@@emishimaru-sama6449 ok

@@lemonate6163 you didn't watch the Something about the Subspace Emissary video, did you?

@@amazinggamermkii1904 No. why would i? theres no point to watching it.

To be fair, that's basically how it is in the Perfect Chaos fight. Super Sonic's speed really isn't faster than Sonic's. But like he DOES get flung if you hit a dash pannel and get sent off a ramp. It's noticable here because the Perfect Chaos fight was built with the flinging in mind whereas normal stages aren't.

It's honestly fun to jump around with those physics in Heroes since those stages are much more open, that's kinda why I suggested it.

@@theorangeslice9678 isnt super sonic in adventure always technically in the air so to speak? so he like, has a rubberband-eske speed boosting whenever you accelerate and get shot in the air further.

@Kuriz, the plural being 'Kurizes' Monkey's paw: now all Sonic games are nothing but running in straight lines. Seriously though, one of the biggest advantages of SA1 physics was the kind of jumps you could pull off. Spindash + jumping at the height of your momentum could launch you like a cannonball (bonus points if you have even a slight incline to ramp off of), and you had enough height + low enough gravity to pull off some really neat stuff. Heroes was the beginning of the end of big jumps, as the spindash is gimmicked, air momentum is nerfed, and the camera hates fun more than any other 3D Sonic.

@@petergriscom3431 SA2 was a good middle ground and where he felt the best to play IMO

@@jeremyabbott4537 SA2 Sonic/Shadow felt pretty good. The spindash jumps were still good in SA2, even if some levels weren't as open. SA2 also had the best rail-grinding in the series, mastering it is incredibly satisfying. My only gripe is that mapping every action to one button was a mistake. Somersaulting when you intended to spindash, bouncing when you intended to light dash, whistling when you intended to do anything but whistle, mash Y to magic hands/sunglasses, etc. It's something I eventually got used to and mastered, but the DC had 4 face buttons and a D-pad that had _nothing_ mapped to it, and it bothers me that they did it this way. My guess is that they thought having that many actions on different buttons would get confusing, there's probably an interview floating around somewhere saying as much.

@@petergriscom3431 yeah that's why I got the PC mod to put light dash on Y

@@jeremyabbott4537 Cool. I'll have to try that when I get a decent PC. I also forgot to mention that I love the scoring system from SA2, getting points and compliments for doing stylish stuff was so much fun. It's always a treat when you find a new one that you didn't even realize existed.

Looking at you srb2

​@@Ersa_ srb2 did it pretty well , just that the thok is a pretty lame ability

@@societygoku6376 yeah thats what im trying to say here, like, sonic does feel faster but the thok is so lame and can only be so useful

​​@societygoku6376 Skill issue, tbh. Thok is very useful.

​​@@Ersa_ the thok is incredibly useful what are you on 😭😭

But sonic heroes can be at home naturally-

Shadow the Hedgehog is

ikagura true dat

@@ikagura Agree!!!

Well, sorry if I'm late, but there is a Heroes PC Port, but it's now Abandoware and you'll have to search for some fixes so that it works on current Windows systems. And there's also a physics swap mod for that as well, just not as handy as the Adventure one from what I've seen, having to change the values yourself.

@@noone5454 Oh snap. Thanks man

and here we are, soon to experience "kinda Adventure-esque" Frontiers :> though it's more like Unleashed physics, I hope it will have at least some momentum

@@stasyandr563it was nowhere near unleashed physics and the momentum could’ve been annoying that you just don’t get to explore because your out of boost in a pit

There's this clip in one of Moist Critikal's podcast (the Noah Munk one) where one of the guys goes randomly on vague tangent on Sonic and it's so clear the dude barely and I mean barely play any Sonic games but still was talking shit about it it's unnironacly very funny but not for the reasons he intended Like they use Unleashed on the Wii and Adventure DX as example and I'm like "Oh so the bad ports r enough proof? Dude every franchise as a bad port at least somewhere"

That's most likely true considering in SA2 speedruns they skip dash pads that lock your speed normally preventing you from flying through walls.

86,000 views in recommended. They cheat us yearly. 😅

Just shows you how long they had to make the stages lol

Thank you!

it is like heroes, except changing direction in the air is almost nonexistent and the amount of speed you gain is so sudden and it isn't easy to turn around when running, its like skating in ice

Oh no.

Jumping was the worst part. Hold forward and you accelerate too fast, let off and you come to a dead stop. It felt completely unnatural.

You should watch "The Animation of Sonic Games" on KZfaq then, it'll teach you a lot about game animation

Hmm

It is actually a mod. And well, they are packaged with modified levels to make the game playable.

@@lpfan4491 where can I get this

@@axicon2232 "Complete Physics Preset & Stage Fix Combo-Patch" on gamebanana. It still plays nothing like Adventure in reality,(Because Heroes obviously uses the physics diffrently) but it certainly is a lot more easy to control in my book.

@@lpfan4491 Looks promising. Thanks.

You mean the one in the introduction? Yeah that one's fire, a guy named SonicFreak made that one. All music I used is linked in the description!

At 8:19 we even see her getting hit multiple times because her stages aren't built around her having this much speed

Advance and origins amy are literally the same speed as the other character fuck u on about?

If that's how Sonic Battle R controls I want no part of it lol

That’s a downgrade not an upgrade

@@reallyhimongod Exactly

Although I enjoy SA1's levels, they're generally quite basic and the learning curve is usually the same "tight spin-dash jump". That, and extra rings and lives aren't a good enough incentive to get the most out of them considering the generally easy difficulty and the removal of archaic design choices like limited continues.

I loved the '3 sub-stages' on each level, at least for Sonic. How the guy above said, but for those times ufff Now just boost like there's no tomorrow and if you stop or move aside the game will automatically put you on the way :^/ that happens on SA1 too but isn't too annoying

Well Heroes takes the most inspiration from the classic games in terms of aesthetic and level design, but regardless, I don't think that makes the Adventure games objectively superior to any other game. It's all about perspective and how the many parts compliment each other.

Well this mod doesn't replicate the friction 100% as characters don't land with full speed.

I think most of that is bc the level design for heroes was designed for those said physics, so you wouldnt notice

Maybe idk lol, I've never played the PC (only have GC) version of Heroes so I would have to look into getting the game and getting mods setup for it.

How so? Air acceleration, ground acceleration and speed have the exact values of Heroes. Traction wasn't able to be modified so that's 3/4 things that were changed and that's without going into every value related to each of the properties I mentioned earlier. Definitely more than 50% accurate.

@@TZMHBT watch an MandJtv video and you'll understand.

Catastrophic? Naw that's overblowing it. For some characters, it does help, the only real bad thing are the scripts that can break as a result of the physics change.

I wanted to say that too lmao-

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