Rings, Springs, and Automobiles.

You forgot to mention the biggest issue in marketing - SEGA lied to us. They said the same team who made Colors and Gens made Forces. Not a single developer in the credits though EVER worked on a sonic game, and Pontac and Graff were really the only ones who returned.

"You're pathetic and I'm not!" Actually had me laughing. It is just so accurate to Infinite's poor writing and just sounds so stupid

something that i noticed 10 minutes into Forces was that most of the badniks don't attack you. I know normally the player would be boosting right through them, BUT if you just walk up on them they just stand there. that's when i knew i was in for a bad time.

I vividly remember the official sonic channel showing a short clip. I think it was called Casino Forest. It was a couple of weeks before the release. The clip wasn't long but from it alone I could tell it wasn't going to be very good. The music, sound effects, background and just overall presentation was generic, safe and dull. People called me a hater....then the game came out. Bullet dodged to say the least.

Im glad im not the only one who adores the ost, the music fits perfectly for what the game is going for

It's kinda nice to see someone throw Forces' bosses some appreciation, I always thought they were pretty good

I actually agree with the person who said this game looks better than Frontiers. It's so strange that we now have technology powerful enough to make the games look as good as the pre rendered cutscenes in Unleashed yet the games we get now don't look much better than Colors on the Wii.

Sonic Forces is honestly my most hated Sonic game and this is from someone who genuinely enjoys the games no matter how much people trash them. And it's equally frustrating that it came out at the same time as Mania and CONNECTED to that game. Sonic Mania is hands down my favorite Sonic game of all. And it was done by a fan. Had Forces lived up to its concept I honestly felt it would have been up there with Sonic Adventure 2. Frontiers was definitely a redemption arc to me. I love Sonic the Hedgehog, but you can't shake the fact that quality is inconsistent.

Just my two cents, but Sonic Team should be spending time on a physics engine that makes Sonic fun to play around as in 3D and takes advantage of things like speed and momentum. Then they can add the other stuff. Sonic has been nothing short of miserable to control since Heroes. The boost games have him controlling like a car, which is silly for a platformer. He's way too stiff in games like Unleashed. Then you have the oddballs like Lost World that tried to turn him into Mario with a run button and it felt scripted and artificial. Even in Frontiers, they give you all of this terrain to traverse... and it's totally meaningless because the physics engine isn't really built around it. And then they cop out in the virtual world stages by doing an even worse version of boost for whatever reason.

Sonic forces me to express disappointment.

I hate Forces so much. I finished it in like a day and have zero desire to ever touch again

this is such a great video and it made me laugh :) video essays about sonic forces are definitely one of my favorite things to watch LOL! cant wait to watch more of your videos, this was very pleasant to watch!!

Really glad the whole Classic Sonic is from another dimension thing was undone in Frontiers and also by official statements later on

The IDW Sonic comic series thankfully explained some of the plot holes, save for Infinite. Silver- He’s here because after the events of 06, when he returned to his future, his world was empty. Like not post apocalyptic, but just lifeless, not a single person. So he went back to see what went wrong, and his story gets resolved in the comic, so I recommend reading it if you want the whole story. Wispons- Most of the non super powered civilians that fought in the resistance have these wispons to help them fight against the badniks. But they’re designed to only be used if the wisp inside wants to. In the comic they are shown that they can fly in and out of the weapons at will. And when they leave, the weapon becomes harmless.

This is my least fav sonic game tbh

I actually didn't expect the 3:37 sound. That timing is so impeccable I must have laughed for a good five minutes. Good job, man. Good job.

“Sonic is being tortured…” Sonic: *Forced to listen to himself saying “Baldy Nosehair?!” repeatedly.*

0:04 imagine having the Hot Wheels setup

sonic forces you to be underwhelmed by sonic forces

I wanna correct you on some things -the Classic Sonic songs don't use Soundfonts, in fact, No Sonic Game uses them -The Classic Sonic songs DO use a Sega Genesis, it just so happens to use instruments that weren't used on the Classic Games, that's why they sound so weird

When you briefly mentioned Sonics "updated" model it really flared up my big gripe with how he looks in this game and Frontiers. I hate how not only is he light blue, and his quills are shorter, but his hair is also styled differently in a way that's so ugly to me. They moved that spine on the back of his head upward to align with the spines on the side of his head. This gives him a nice view at a side angle showing off that signature 3 spine look he has in 2D artwork, however it looks terrible at every other angle. It also leaves a large noticeable bald spot on the back of his head where that middle spine used to cover up. I can never unsee that bald spot.

Sonic Forces me to return the game and cry in a corner regreting buying it

Gotta love the singing at 16:50. Also that character at 19:00 ‘s name is Boongie because he looks like an umbrella

Sonic forces, don't you dare be short and sour..

I liked it. Wasn't as good as Generations or anything like that but is was fun little game. It wasn't a full priced title at launch, either.

I remember this game legitimately made me give up on sonic. I don’t care if people say “it’s mid” or “it’s not the worst” it literally is terrible. Most levels last ONE MINUTE if you’re lucky. How can you even have fun if the levels just end after barely doing anything? Say what you want about 06 but at least that feels like a full game. The short levels are unacceptable. The cyberspace levels in frontiers are longer than the ENTIRE forces game. Like if you just play all the cyberspace levels it’s literally a better boost game than forces.

21:03 And you know the best part if you fail that quick time event the double boost still works so that's not challenging

18:16 And Superstars did it again...though to be fair it's alongside a nice reference to a much older Sega game.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who likes Forces' OST for what its worth. Network Terminal (Outdoors), Metropolitan Highway, and Mortar Canyon are my favorite tracks, even if you don't get to hear much of them in-game because of how short their levels are. I recommend checking out the Forces:Reimagined mod in the works since it gives the game some longer stages that are actually pretty fun and take advantage of the setting better than base Forces. Take Sunset Heights for example; in the mod, you hear the various cries of civilians as they are under attack, and the level is expanded to feature a segment where you fight Shadow.

Amazing review.

I’m going to be completely honest, I feel like Sonic Forces would have been better if it was delayed to 2018 or 2019. Then it would have a lot more polished level design, and they could fix up the story more. But no, like always, Sega decided to rush it immediately.

0:10 For it's fault I doubt lost world took a part in making the franchise a laughing stock more than 06 lol

Sonic forces me into a bout of depression.

You workin on a game?! Welp, there goes my afternoon.

1:43 did you really have to do sponsorship with your game

As soon as I saw them use Classic Sonic in the promo trailer, I got a little worried. Once I got the game, and saw that *plain text on a black screen depicting what happened next, rather than showing it...* I knew I was not gonna have a good time lol 🤣

Since I haven't played this game I will talk about the ost like always. I'm glad there's not loads of hate for the ost here since I do think it's a good ost. I don't think it's one of the best though, I can name several spin-offs with better music. Although I don't think it's a bad ost I do have some complaints about it: the first thing is the leads synth many fans bring up. I personally do not mind it but I can see why people would dislike it since it sounds sharp and thin, I don't think peeps dislike synths in general since they like stuff from Colors and earlier games. It's just the specific tone of the synth used in this game, since past games that use synths are widely more liked I think this specific synth having so much opposition by quite a few people to be a solid point of it being somewhat of a flaw. The only other problem I have musically with this ost is the Classic Sonic music. From what I've heard they did use Genesis synths, I still think they did it poorly. The compositions are good but I find the instrumentation to be ear grating at times and overall unpleasant to listen to. I think the songs can sound great if the Genesis instruments are used properly, there are plenty of Genesis remixes of the Classic Sonic songs on YT that prove they could have sounded a lot better.

The OST is the best thing to come from this whole ordeal (except the Classic Sonic songs... which are only okay... except the _one_ song).

THANK YOU for talking about the OST. I always thought that it was overhated and the complaints people had about it made no sense. They complained about it as if it was OBJECTIVELY bad, not that it's just not their type of music. And people still complain about this type of music in Frontiers and premydaremy(a popular Sonictuber) calls making this type of music or remixing it "Ohtanifing" it, which he uses it as a way to show that Ohtani is ruining Sonic music. I always thought that it was a great change and that it gave these games its own identity, and it was especially fitting for Cyberspace.

I like sonic 06 better then this because it can be fixed as proved with project 06, you can't fix this game without overhauling pretty much everything.

I played through it and it wasn’t that bad. Just… got challenging for me on The Zavok boss level.

It’s always sad seeing the hype up vs the results for this game

this reminds me of my wife and kids.

Sonic Forces feels like it was made by AI

13:14 oh, that’s explains how they managed to screw up something that they already perfected. They threw it out

This was a surprisingly good video that I'm glad I came across. Definitely disagree on the bosses for the most part, but everything else seems respectable enough to say. Keep up the good work^^

Its a real shame because I've seen fans re-write the story and the basic premise has SO MUCH potential. Its like the kind of thing you would see in an Archie comic or something... but they just squandered it!

Everyone does have to realize though that despite being tortured for 6 months sonic had been through worse before forces

As the only person who likes Sonic Forces I’m gonna quickly turn on my vpn and hide before the sonic fandom kills me

Also i agree on the soundtrack, it is good. It continues the chain of great Sonic music very well

Sonic Lost World is not that bad imo people were just too harsh on it

Naw, my criticism of this game's OST is that Modern Sonic's stage themes all use the exact same supersaw tone for the lead. Classic Sonic's "instrumentation" seems pretty limited even compared to the genesis games too. There's no problem with relying a lot on synths, but they really didn't get much mileage or variety out of them this go round. And while that might have been a stylistic choice I think they took it too far, 'cause it just ends up feeling monotonous in places where the whole advantage of using synthesizers should be their ability to keep their own sounds interesting. The avatar tracks do stick out though, with a bunch of different vocalists and a much wider palette of electronic sounds. I think part of it was the clear attempt to do an Adventure 2-style soundtrack where each playable character gets tracks reflecting their personality... which falls apart when the writing's so bad that only one of those characters *has* a personality. And even then it's not much of one. XD And so the restriction comes off as arbitrary instead of thematic. Oh btw... double-boost isn't even a quicktime event. Try failing the button mash and see what the difference is. :)

19:27-19:41 I never thought about that and I'm actually surprised no review I've seen since the game came out never mentioned this so that's pretty interesting 5:21p.m. 10/28/2023

Ironic how this game is so short with little substance, yet you made a longer video with more substance.

Why did you say that bringing back Classic Sonic was a good thing? Even classic fans don't like that.

I remember being in a focus testing group where we watched an episode about wordgirl long before the series came out around 2005-2006 along with a true jackson vp pilot, but im not sure if if that wordgirl thing was a pilot or early test of an episode

18:43 what does this say it's too blurry...kinda

I ain't gonna sit here and pretend the game, especially from the story front, is some kind of underrated gem, but it definitely gets criticism for the sake of it in some cases. Tails comes to my mind. Like, ok, lets say he did do something in that initial fight, what would ge do? If Sonic is getting bodied, what tables would Tails turn? Thats like expecting Krillin to come in to help Goku against DBS Broly. He'd get flattened faster than Forces' level length, and just as easily too. And the Chaos scene......honestly, it could work if it had just a little more detail. Like, maybe have him pull out some Mega Man Buster gun, but Chaos smacks it away with ease and gets him by the neck, making him seem helpless (I get that might be too dark, but the game was trying to be kinda dark.....so it balances out). Infinites motive also kinda falls in this camp too. Nothing wrong with it, even down to being bodied by Shadow, just show a little more of why he's bugging over this. But I never see anyone actually criticize that, but rather that they happened at all, which falls flat when you actually consider whats happening. Level design I go kind of easy on, considering that, from what I understand, are 2 newbies altogether and 1 LW designer? If this was the guys who designed Generations, then Id be right there with the outrage. But we all kinda start somewhere. Makes me wonder why they were given the greenlight to start HERE and not some smaller budget title, but I digress.....

shocked how you didn't mention how Rolling as Santiago against a wall or just any surface as you shown in the video has a good chance to zip you right into the floor or pit you're under.

Excellent, you nailed it! You really roasted the very purpose of existence of this game. It is not just a lesser Generations, but a game with no identity except in its music. Generic characters, invisible story, reused assets, and mediocre level designs.

7:15 that's exactly what i was thinking.

1:27 yeah… first time… (I’m talking about SATAM btw)

19:05 - Sploiky the Bloingster

22:59 you don’t actually have to dodge anything. You can’t just spam the whip or charge the drill to become invincible.

As someone who can't stands Sonic Forces, I still really like the OST. I'm a sucker for synthwave!

green hill's lookin' a lot more like FIRE hill

19:08 Splatt the Bird

Unfortunately, this was my first ever sonic game. It genuinely sucked, too short, to easy and hard at the same time somehow, and the story is terribly made. And dont get me started on the level design.

20:46 "all you do is Spam the square button for a few seconds, then watch Sonic and your OC blast through a large chunk of the stage with no further input required" or don't press the square button and Sonic and your OC still do the same thing

I replayed a bit of Forces a couple months ago to see if maybe everyone was being too hard on it. After playing a couple levels, I can safely say that no, they were completely correct and Forces still sucks. So much missed potential and it feels so bad to play.

It's hard to believe that it's been nearly 6 years since this game released.

If they went with the whole Phantom Ruby affects other dimensions, they could've involved Sol Dimension in the story and bring back Blaze and Eggman Nega instead. We all love classic sonic, but he and modern sonic should never appear together in the same story unless it's an extraordinary circumstance as Generations.

Who ever made sonic forces should never be allowed to make game’s again.

eh i liked forces for what it was

I honestly love forces. I always replay it every chance I get.

All the flaws was the reason why l quit from being a sonic fan,l started fron focusing more on crash bandicoot and spyro until l watch the sonic live action movie and my interest towards sonic returned

The obsession with rolling into a ball is a bit strange. Isn’t speed the go-to central attribute?

0:28 I would argue that the return of Classic Sonic was the first thing to sour the hype. "He was just in Mania, so why bring him back here?"

I played Sonic Forces my opinion? I thought it was decent!

The best exemplar of modern Sonic writing is that they still keep calling random giant Eggman mechs "Death Egg Robot," regardless of whether they're fought on the Death Egg or even if they look like the original in any way. They're so stuck in that the phrase "Death Egg Robot" doesn't even register to them as a combination of three words that denote something, it's just "the big final boss Eggman robot's name."

I think the problem with Forces to me is the fact that it had too many ideas with no execution on any of them. It played like somebody didn't finish their homework and turned it in for a passing grade. Like, there is good stuff there and I do like things in the game, but it just feels like they couldn't focus on anything. "What concepts are in Forces?" "Yes."

Around 20:51 Or you can press nothing and just watch them have a start up time a bit longer... Seriously you never die if you fail these

At base level in terms of character design, Infinite is absolutely badass. It's like if you took the berserker armor and made it into a sonic villain. It's the biggest shame I've ever seen to waste him like they did here. They could have made a really groundbreaking and intimidating character for this universe but instead they killed him off immediately without any sort of worthy send off and now we're back to just the goofball eggman. I really feel like Infinite shouldn't have been just the "some random dude eggman found in a ditch to kill sonic" trope. He should have been written better and became a mainstay.

Hot take: If they added a bit of the parkour from Lost World into Forces, maybe the game could be more engaging. Granted given how neutered the boost gameplay is in Forces adding anything to it would arguably be better.

11:58p.m. 10/27/2023

cool video man

"Sonic has been tortured for months" Oh, I know what Sonic's torture means in Forces' context! Sonic being forced to watch the ending of Avengers: Infinity War where half the universe including Spider-Man perished from Thanos' Blip on infinite loop! (BTW Infinity War did this "war" storyline WAY better than Forces.) 😂😂😂

I agree with you largely on the songs It's not my favorite soundtrack but I definitely enjoy it a lot more than other people. I genuinely think there are some incredible tracks in there.

I only disagree with two of the things you point out here honestly. 1.) The 2D gameplay of boost formula games has never been in the same galactic supercluster as good, and is the main reason I flat out never replay Unleashed, Colors or Generations. 2.) I hate the soundtrack to this game. But I'll concede that if you actually like EDM, Dubstep and JPop, you'll like it. I don't, and so I don't.

16:09 yes?

I've been hating sonic forces so much that it's just kind of a part of me. I've grown to but appreciate the game for it's soundtrack and nothing else

Scientists should study Sonic Forces, it might be the cure for insomnia.

I am a forces enjoyer and I am ashamed

15:02 Yeah, if it was a glorified walking simulator, a terrible creepy pasta character would be chasing you.

They were lazy and loves to rush their games nowdays, I thought the same thing about sonic adventure Dx on gamecube. They too F*CKING Lazy to improve the graphics over the Dreamcast version....unlike the developers of f zero gx and super monkey ball. That goes for sonic heroes.

Honestly, not just Frontiers, but the entire Sonic franchise massively resurged in both quality and influence after this darkest hour - the comics, the movies, Prime, TailsTube, Sonic Channel artwork, everything! I honestly feel like Forces and everything around and leading up to it (defilement of canon, "Classic good Modern bad," absurd collaborations, and yes Team Sonic Racing too) was somehow a tipping point that caused everyone at Sega and Sonic Team to suddenly snap into reality and go "we need to get our shit together," leading to the renaissance we find the series in now.

Will you make a frontiers video

I find the soundtrack to be THE MOST FORGETTABLE EVER. I beat the game in 2 hours and I could NOT recall a SINGLE track despite just playing it. the stages are so short that I can't even pay attention to any of the tracks.

I can't believe that the most anger that sonic has over his world being hurt is in the fucking trailer.