It makes me wonder what the reception would have been like if a Sonic game with the updated looks/extra animation of Sonic Mania, but completely new levels, had been released for the Saturn. Sadly I have this feeling that a lot of journalist reviewers would complain that Sega did not try to have made it an early 3D title like some playstationx platform games. Personally I think a 2D/sprite in general Sonic game would have worked better and would have aged better afterwards.

John Rowland A port of the SEGA SATURN game Sonic Jam ( cartridge 1. ) to Nintendo Switch with Clockwork Night, and Nights Into Dreams ( cartridge 2 ) may justify a $119.99 price tag. If you buy it as a soft bundle with the Switch $99.99 for 2 cartridges. I hope that would cover getting the original wrights to Sonic 3, Sonic & Knuckles and Sonic 3 & Knuckles.

@@TheDutchGhost I’d have to agree that the negative outlook Reviewers and journalists had on the system might damage the game. But if Sega could have released it within the first year or even the second of it’s lifespan. It would have likely be good enough to hold ppl back until Sega figured something out with 3D on the SAT. Rayman was a big success at the PS1’s launch so I don’t believe a 2D sonic would have done awful.

@@ThatOldSchoolMagic Perhaps it would. I would like to think so too. I think I would still definitely have been interested in getting a Saturn back then if a Sonic Mania style "evolved" 2D Sonic would have come out with more levels and animated scenes even if rival machines such as the PSX and the Nintendo 64 were showing of 3D platformers. Something I have been mourning about the generation after the 16-bit consoles is how many developers gave up on sprite based games as so many of them wanted to switch to early 3D which in general really has aged badly. We know that some of the 32 bit sprite games from this period still look lovely.

@@TheDutchGhost I’ve been saying for a while now that 3D arrived too early. It was nice for what it was at the time but the potential there was for 2D on the 32 bit game systems should have been taken advantage more. Because many developers went straight to 3D at that time. Today there isn’t too much to show with it. Just differences in resolution compared to what there was during the last Gen. Things evolved too quickly and thats why Sony and Microsoft today specialize more on load-times as the key defining feature of the modern generation than anything else.

I still hope that some genius homebrewer(s) make it someday. Just with the likes of new games still coming out for the genesis.

Probably for the best, it most likely would have sucked.

@@poncho828 It wasn't for the best for Sega's future. Remember at this time Sega was a lot more consistent at making good games. It could've been great.

@@fizzyfuzz5878 Exactly!

@@fizzyfuzz5878 The problem was they mishandled the Saturn so badly outside of Japan. I mean yes it was hard to program for and most people were bailing and going to PlayStation anyway but it just felt like at some point they basically gave up on trying to get any other markets.

It plays great, but affording games is a problem. Get yourself a cart that reads burned discs and start pirating.

A big problem, both for Saturn adoption and Saturn re-releases was the convoluted, off-the-shelf nature of the Saturn hardware. I remember a prominent Sega developer saying that very few programmers had the chops to get full performance out of both the main CPUs in the Saturn. The Playstation, by contrasts, was considerably more developer friendly, allowing far more teams to get full performance out of their games.

@@yellowblanka6058 Yeah, this is a thing, BUT as a developer myself, I must say that when there is a good devkit AND documentation (both were awkwardly missing) this is not so difficult to do the job, of course one needs to be used to the hardware but at the end of the day it's still doable because you have all the keys necessary. Without these two elements, accomplish even the tiniest thing get WAY more difficult, as you have to spend a lot of time to figure EVERYTHING. This in itself is an entire different job, that the game studios should never have to do. And as 3D is way more complex that 2D, without even mentioning all of the specificities of the Saturn it just made programming a game for the console seeming like climbing the Everest without any tools. And this is when the Saturn was definitely killed and buried. Let me be clear there, even after the Mega-CD and the 32X great failures, there was still some hope left as long as the games, the reason that makes people wanting to buy the console, would be done well. Except that with this really dumb move to release the console without the devkit and the documentation, they prevented it to happen. At least for a lot of games, making many studio giving up even the idea to make a game for the console. As it is, the more I think about it, the more I find it stupid. Sega wasn't even a nearly unknown company like it was at the end of the 80s'. They did not need to be the first to release the new console. They could just have waited a bit, and then showed the true might of the Saturn, demonstrating to Sony that they still had a long way to be at their level, but instead they succumbed to the panic. Yeah, it was sad. Even sadder they did not even answer to Sony "299$" offer that did not contain game nor memory card. As a Sega fan myself, the MegaDrive/Genesis and Sonic being the first system and game I grew up with, I'm greatly disappointed because they had gold in their hands and they chose to waste it.

knuckles chaotix too. younger me never got to play either those.

It makes me think of Super Mario All-Stars for the SNES.

Sonic jam blows my mind! It is glorious! 😊

I got that 32x from kmart for $40...

I got a 32x and a CDX years later and realized how stupid Sega was back when because even as a kid I didn't care for the Sega CD or the 32x and actually handling it showed why I never got one. The Saturn I would have got as a kid but didn't even know it was available or what it did that the PS1 and N64 couldn't so why bother. It's all about marketing and after the Genesis imo, Sega just didn't care and released stuff just to release and make money, never support the support the product.

Yep - typical Sega nonsense at the time, and they never really improved. They still have a load of classic games that never see the light of day, or they'll release them in Japan as though the rest of the world doesn't exist. Constant Genesis / Mega Drive re-releases, and nothing much more :(

Saturn was a flagship console that needed a flagship title. Whoever was making business decisions for Sega should be tarred and feathered. TODAY.

It's like if Nintendo never bothered to release Super Mario World, and no main line Mario games on the SNES, then at the end of the SNES' life, they release Super Mario All Stars, but they all look like the NES versions of the games. lol If Nintendo had done that, Sega sure would have done a lot better in the 16 bit era.

Sega could have easily digitized hand drawn sprites for the game.

@@FoxUnitNell even add some 3D background.

It would’ve got panned even if it was a good game. 3D was the thing at the time.

@@magicjohnson3121 they had their chance with sonic x-treme using the nights engine. I got shot down and cancelled. There was no hope, the Saturn was dying in NA. If sega SDK tools and documents ready and sent to everyone from the get go and no suprise launch. We will have a sonic 3D game ready in 96 or 97.

Probably! Saturn would also need Final Fantasy 7. That game was incredibly important when establishing the Playstation. If Saturn got a Sonic game and also FF7 I think the world would be different today. Also, where is Phantasy Star 5 already? Come on Sega! We know the PS saga is concluded but what happened with the other spaceship in PS3? Sega, we need to know. Sega, make a PS5 already ;)

@Pepperoni Secret It IS super good. SEGA really failed to advertise this game and it released it with a very small quantity in the West.

@@martinevans1206 I mean it really was too little too late by the time this came out Saturn was all but entirely dead in the US and pretty much everywhere else outside Japan.

@@RedBlueSpot it was huge. and all the commercials/promotional stuff made sure to let you noe it was only on playstation.

@Pepperoni Secret they released it too late had saga appeared 3 years earlier it would made impact

Why? It would have made me salivate as a tech demo at the time. Sure, nothing materialized until the Dreamcast, but people should buy consoles based on what they already do, not what you want them to.

Knuckles Chaotix would have been a great addition to Sonic Jam.

That and the Master System/Game Gear games with a save function. I mentioned to myself during the video that it was weird that Sega did not have Sonic CD added to give a more complete package. Well a truly complete package would also have included SegaSonic the Hedgehog.

CD would of taken up too much storage space, and Chaotix would of been difficult to port/emulate at the time.

Would have been great to have them both included in addition but I wouldn't have put them in there as a replacement for any of the four Genesis releases. As another person mentioned putting the Master System entries in there, perhaps as unlockable rewards for completing some of the 3D challenges, would have rounded out the package nicely.

Knuckles chaotix would have been a great addition especially because it has never been re released on any modern storefronts to my knowledge.

So…would they sold tje Jam on 2-disc set im your version?

Should've*

I Agreed I Love This Sega Saturn Compilation Game❤

It IS cool! Playing with the analog gamepad kept me busy while people played Mario64 and Ocarina Of Time! Ah good times!

It's worth a go even now. I picked up a cheap disc only copy on eBay and made my own DVD box art. 😀

Same for me. Sonic CD not being a part of this compilation was disasterous.. Had they included it and Knuckles Chaotix ( maybe with sonic as a playable character ) and maybe some of other sonic games, would have been above and beyond. And, thats the thing, to this day, Sega Never Go Above and Beyond. Nintendo, I feel, is more excellent in that way than Sega. Not sure if you agree.

@@mxggo9046 Have you forgotten CD was quite literally a CD, there would not be enough space on the disc to put it on due to the audio tracks, and Chaotix may of been time consuming to port. You say Nintendo is better in that way but the Wii port of All Stars was far more bare than this and it came out well over a decade later on a disc which was over 6 times the size!

@@revengenerd1 Understood. Maybe use 2 discs? Maybe remaster each game individually with more color throughout? Maybe sell each title at a budget price to garner more interest ( ala the NFL 2k title )? Go above and beyond is all I'm saying.

They didn't include Sonic CD on Sonic Mega Collection for the Gamecube either. It wasn't until Gems Collection that they released it. It seems clear they did that as a cash grab.

@@58jharris Not really sure if we will ever know why they did not add it. But, would have been oh so nice for it to have been included.

There's no way Sonic CD would have fit alongside the other games. Almost all available space was used up on the Sonic Jam disc, and Sega sure as hell wasn't going to include Sonic CD on a separate disc.

@@purplesabbath9057 Are you serious? If Sega wasn't willing to spend the extra 50 cents to print an extra CD for the flagship title for the previous generation's most expensive add-on (throw Chaotix on that CD as well) on the collection for that generation's console-selling mascot then they didn't deserve to *survive* the Console Wars- let alone win. Source: a Sega partisan.

@@purplesabbath9057 The game would have fit but the music was all redbook on the Sega CD and the Saturn also relied on redbook audio in many games so it's likely the music was the tipping factor

@@DenkyManner Yes, I have no doubt the Redbook audio was what stopped them from including Sonic CD.

seeeeegaaa.

Well Sonic Spinball wasn't a Sonic game by Sonic Team. It was an external team who did it. You can tell this was just a compromise compilation at best.

Yup, that would've been a dream... By the way, the stage design in Sonic R was made by Sonic Team at that time. So, it was only Time that they needed. If they only started developing Sonic Jam earlier...

That's could be the hardest thing to do its 3 differents graphicals engines

@@zeherbh2632 Just the 3D engine of Sonic Jam would have been enough.

No blast processing so you get slowdown on some stages, it’s brutal at times.

Ports, man. Ports. It is not crazy at all. First of all, 2D emulation might seem trivial now, but emulation requires much more sources than you think. And more importantly, it wasn't well known in Japan in the 90s.

The Saturn or PlayStation didn't have the necessary power to emulate, that's why porting was necessary.

Fun Fact: after Chaotix was prototyped for the Genesis as Sonic Crackers, the game was eventually moved to Saturn - then after Sega realized they needed more games for their fledgling 32X add-on, cut out lots of content and brought the game onto the 32X instead

@@ThatOldSchoolMagic True lol

Sega was just full of bad decisions at the time its mind blowing with how many things went wrong for them.

Sonic CD yes, knuckles chaotic no. Keep that garbage in the 32X where it belongs, I can’t believe people actually like that game.

@@stevesteve0521 Garbage?

Never have put myself in the shoes of someone who had never played a Sonic title before. Very interesting.

@@mxggo9046 I did get to play sonic 1 & 2 on occasions but it was always round a friend’s house. But yeah, it was great to finally play 3 and Sonic & Knuckles and also have a real good go at 1 & 2 again, plus I was in my mid teens by then so I was a much better player at that point 🙂

I lost faith after Sega dumped money into the CD and 32X instead of properly supporting the Genesis with must have titles the way Nintendo did with the SNES.

@@arfarfarf256 both the cd 32x hardware was terrible and very difficult to program. Both add-ons could have been replace with better alternatives. Like a cd-pc games, SVP and other minor enhancement chips, larger lineup ports of the Saturn (Cart/CD games) and slimmer/battery efficient model of the game gear.

@@arfarfarf256 Actually that just shows how marketing works and how companies don't understand how basic things have to be for the consumer. The CD was introduced as Sega thought consumers would love the idea of cheaper games (as on CD format) a All in one home media centre since standalone CD players at the time often cost as much if not more than the CD add on, the idea of the 32x was that rather than make every game like £80 due to expansion chips have a add on that is stronger than the add in chips so games don't need it so cost less. To this day we get consumers who just want to buy a game and play it and not mess around with extra setup or anything that requires more than basic knowledge. Sega did support their 16 bit console longer than Nintendo did theirs.

@@maroon9273 Neither pieces of hardware were terrible or hard to program, the problem with enchancement chips is they bump up development costs, one of Segas issues was they assumed customers would purchase a off off upgrade that would outperform a enchancement chip and mean cheaper games instead the consumers hated the fact they needed an add on to play a game at all.

@@revengenerd1 how come sega cannot even port super scaler game to the sega cd like outrun, hang on, galaxy, space harrier and ect? And even utilize sega cd Asic chip more often like core, game arts and Malibu did? 32x was too late to implement and developers were running away from it. Even to the point developers prefer developing games for the ps1, n64 and Saturn than dealing with 32x and 32x cd hardware. With the genesis, sega cd and 32x. It will cost a new consumer more than the Saturn and ps1 if your a genesis owner. So there was no need for the 32x project and could have had a backward compatible adapter instead of the 32x. I agree with your point of the sega cd as a add-on to get use to making cd games. However there was no point of adding a scaler chip and another m68k when you can't ultilize it in majority of the games. Sega could have added more colors (with a high color pallete) to the sega cd or even wait a year or two and add some of the 32x hardware in the sega cd. They were better alternatives options.

And selfish as well

THANK YOU.

It started with the two add-on with the sega cd (scaler and fmv arcade boards), 32x (software scaler, downgrade version software model 1 and 2 board). Then we have the Saturn (systems 32, model 1 and 2 arcade boards). After the genesis they were so addicted to making home console hardware that replicate arcade board. Knowing damn well it is not feasible in reality due to cost (the scaler chip) and lack of cost true 3D hardware until the release of their arcade model 2 and model 3. If sega were more careful in designing their home console hardware after the genesis. They could have been in a better position during the 32-bit era.

I think it describes Saturn era Sega, perfectly.

True, also add 2.5 D graphic effects to it and releasing it in late 95 so it can buy time for developers to port a true 3D sonic title a year or year in a half.

I mean, the early Sonic games are fun, but Sega is always shoehorning Classic Sonic and related imagery into new games and most of the time it's not very good. I'd rather have Sonic Team figure out a solid brand identity than make the 4th or 5th new gameplay style for the last 15 years.

yup give me short and fat sonic than that edgelord stilty thing

And yet it's still jarring to hear the transitions so late. Becoming invincible is especially bad. The in game music has to stop, and the new music has to start, meaning you've been invincible for literally 5 seconds before the music kicks in. In a Saturn developed game, the transition would have been flawless because the invincibility tune would have been chip generated.

@@SegaLordX Definitely not a perfect choice for doing it especially in a game where speed is a defining part of the game, just thought I'd mention it though.