there was no comparison!

Thank you. It is truly amazing.

That is really what I particularly enjoy. Immediately you can start creating looks with the Arri footage. No time spent getting it to a good starting point.

Thank you! Working on some more!

Yep, me too.

It is really incredible

There can only be one crown!

I’ve done this before. I always try something different just to test things out. Sometimes I test just adding contrast with curves, and saturation. For certain scenarios this has looked good, even though I wouldn’t deliver the footage like that.

Hey thanks! Gotta finesse those colors. I may have a LUT that could help you out…

@@BlaineWestropp1can I get that LUT too?😅

what do you mean?! like when people were commenting on my original test that was only one shot?

CST is great. I have been experimenting a lot with it.

Thank you :)

Let’s do it. I want to test all the cameras in a controlled situation. Where we show log, rec709, and matched. And I want to not tell anyone which was which.

@@BlaineWestropp1 sounds rad. Get Ryan on the horn. Let's get it done.

I have used CST, and even with that there must be some bias based on whoever developed CST. CST gets me to rec709 in one way, cinematch interprets the rec709 differently than CST. My point is, there is always someone deciding what the rec709 transform will look like when developing transforms for software. Regardless I will at least test cst on the Sony and Alexa to see if the exposure difference is still there.

I second that on ACES or RCM it should be MUCH closer all other things beign the same. Ive matched a LOT of venice/alexa/red shows using ACES and they are extremely close to each other to the point where the only thing that gives it away is the noise pattern.

Yep, I need to dive back into ACES. For some reason I just don’t really like it. I find that it requires me to do the same amount of work as I would have to do just matching the clips on my own in resolve. Maybe I’m doing something wrong.

@@BlaineWestropp1 should be rather simple set project to aces, assign input colorspace(IDT) to each clip according to what it is ( for raw stuff it should just auto-do-it) and select rec709 as your ODT and you should be golden, there isnt much more to it. you just have to know what colorsapce your source is .

Gotta get back into experimenting with this. Never went fully in.

I can send you some clips!

Thank you!

Kinda… but I find it doesn’t really do the trick, or I’m doing it wrong. I’m a DP with knowledge of resolve but not a pro career colorist

I will do the blackmagic comparison! I’ve been wanting to see it as well. Think I’ll do the 6k pro.

@@BlaineWestropp1 cool, please compare with different iso's with pocket 6k not only native 400 but also 800.

@@VilkanVisions of course!

ya benar

I’ve heard a lot of people talk about phantom luts. Maybe I will give it a try.

@@BlaineWestropp1 I was just about to say.

I was about to make the exact same comment

Yep, like everyone here said, the Phantom luts are intentionally made to get as close to the Arri look as possible. That should give you a much better baseline for starting.

Going to try them asap

I like the C70, liking it more and more as I use it and hone in on a look.

Shocked? It’s lifted blacks and slightly less saturation .. cinemaaa

I’ll have to arrange this test!

The head is a manfrotto 502AH. I like the smallness, full frame, and low light abilities of the FX3. I like the internal NDs and the image on the c70. I shoot with my friend who was in this video with the Alexa and canon side by side often and they match up well. Really depends how light you want to pack. I got an fx3 bc I wanted something I could very easily walk around with.

I have tried cinematch, maybe I should take a look at it again

I’ve heard good things. I have them, but over the months I have developed 3 LUTs for the FX3 that I always use as a starting point. They were created with Alexa footage side by side and I am very pleased with them and they made me like the FX3 more

@@BlaineWestropp1 How would one go about getting ones hands on these lol. I have the FX3

Message me on ig. @wstrpp

@@BlaineWestropp1 will do

@@nickwalker2632 hi sir i have been really in to your content since I just brought the fx3 . just am now very curious to see the how to fx3 would look when gradeing to look like the alexa . how can I get these luts to try out? if you don't mind me asking .

Hi Steve....can you share some images/footage of your sony image. I'm about to shoot a short film in a few weeks, and I'm a bit torn between using my Alexa Plus (the older generation). Sony FX9 or Sony FX3

@@pjsagnia I tried to reply to your comment twice already but it keeps getting deleted for some reason

I am noticing this too… don’t know why that’s happening

@@BlaineWestropp1 Yeah even my replies to Steve asking to send to my email address has been deleted

Don’t know what’s happening…

You’re not the first to mention this 😂 I actually never considered it, but I don’t have an Amazon Alexa.

No but I’ve heard a lot about them, time to take a look.

the highlights rolloff and the skintone Alexa mini LF is anther level in this video, no doubt that they are totally different machines.

Yes I can do a comparison between these 2 cameras :)

@@BlaineWestropp1 Dang! You still up? its like midnight ET. Thanks man! I am very looking forward to see it, if it is possible bring a fx6 too. Me personally finding to match FX6 and fx9 already taken some efforts. As a fx6 owner as much as I love it's compact design and easy of use, but I still love fx9 image quality more than anything.

Don't compare Arri to Leica. You can't instantly a Leica and I don't think they are the golden standard now a days (except on build qualities and manual lenses)

yes i have color transformed. i am actually doing another test with the alexa and the fx3 that will show that transform, but in this video the cameras had basically the same settings, outside of 640 and 800 iso. additionally, i created an fx3 to alexa lut with these two cameras side by side and that is what i primarily use to start the grade.

@@BlaineWestropp1 I preordered the FX30, I will be happy if I can get 80% FX3 at normal ISO. Very exited!

Cool let me know how you like it. Why did you go with the 30 over the 3?

@@BlaineWestropp1 Fx3 is 4700€! here! FX30 2800€! FF lenses too expensive also. I bought used 16mm 1.4 + 35mm 1.8 OSS and 18-105 OSS for less than 1200€ So that is what I have been rocking even on my A7s OG + 6300. It's a very very tiny set up enough for lifestyle and real estate video and some photo. XLRs and 4 audio channels is huge!! Vintage lenses also vignette on FF. Smartphone fake video blur is killing the FF look for me. S35 all the way. I hope Sony brings an APSC A1 also!

yep. c70 is very nice, especially raw. Alexa is definitely my preference, but I enjoy using c70.

Hey! I don’t recall the exact meter reading on the fx3. The “proper” exposure in these tests was arbitrary. Each camera was just set to the same settings. All 3 are incredible cameras. I’d actually love to do this test again as it’s been awhile and since this test I have looks that match all 3! Maybe I’ll do another test

The arri is amazing…

That c70 was super close in regards of exposure….

Would love to. I have a red scarlet-w that may be in the next test

Yes, I quite like it.

hmmm good question. im not sure what happened there. possibly I had a very narrow shutter instead of using NDs to avoid color shifts.

@@BlaineWestropp1 Ah ok. Makes sense, also consdering the fx3 has no nd, so you probably didn't use on the other two, right? btw excellent videos, very much enjoy the humor in the editing.

Thank you. And yes.. it was the shutter. Even in the first shot you can see no ND on the lens.. so 100% had a narrow shutter on those exteriors!

Yep

To me it did. Also the comparison isn't really easy to decode since he kept mixing the back and forth footage between 3 cameras which is really complicated for us to know what to expect while comparing.

Always loved canon colors.

Another comparison is in the works!

Interesting…

Which still frame? The thumbnail?

@@BlaineWestropp1 Yes, the shot of the Arri camera...

That was the same lighting I used for the shots of me talking to the camera. There was a forza 500 at very low power keying me, but it was panned off me a bit. An aputure b7 in the lamp, an MC magnated to the lamp on the left, and a spotlight shaped to the drop down portion of the ceiling behind me.

Yep this is true

Totally agree with you. Do you mean FX9?

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Love this. I always find when pressure is put on, whether financial or otherwise, we create the best stuff.

Yeah it's amazing how far we have come in just 10 years, and on their own the c70 and fx6 both look amazing (although I'm looking to buy a bmpcc6k for myself) but the Alexa really blows them away in these clips.

I tried the phantom luts. I like them. I made a LUT for the fx3 that is now always my starting point.

definitely need to tune in post. nowadays you can get em all lookin good.,

yep i agree. in resolve you can push them all around, but still whenever I open some arri footage and take a look it always impresses me the most. I get that feeling with red too.

@@BlaineWestropp1 yeah I’ll love my c70 (especially with the raw update) but I want a red Komodo for projects that need to look exceptional and have time to light and grade.

I also want a red Komodo, shot with it the other day and love it.

@@BlaineWestropp1 form factor, red raw and 6k. I would love the c70 to be 6k and one of the reasons for that is that clients often ask for photos of the shoot (screen grabs) and at 6k that is a respectable 21mp. 4K is only 12mp. Huge difference.

For video… I give no Fs about resolution. Sure, maybe 4k gives some extra flexibility, sure 4k is demanded by Netflix and other steaming platforms, but most cameras nowadays shoot 4k, and so do I. One major major difference is when a client asks for stills I 100% of the time tell them that we need to approach the project with a photographer on set, or we roll 8k on a red helium or monstro.

I’m due to post another test soon. Alexa still wins for me, is the best to work with and easiest to get the best image, but I’ve done a lot with a lot of cameras since this video and want to post another without showing which is which. Out of ease of carrying around I’ve bright the fx3 around a lot with me lately, and have honed in on some nice looks.

Only problem with the iPhone is that you can’t really put a lens on it.. I know there are some companies that have some options but at that point it’s just easier to use a camera.

@@BlaineWestropp1 I was kinda joking. It was a dig at Sony (because I'm a Canon C70 guy). But technically you are correct. The Mini footage is pretty sweet though.

Never tried phantom luts, but I’ve had tons of people tell me to check them out. Also, I think today, any sensors being made can get you a good looking image. There are a lot of other things that go into the price difference.

they were not close. Sony destroyed his skin!

@@bmefilms6879 that’s because of how he converted it to Rec709. Using phantom luts or leeming luts would have made this comparison extremely close. I bet if he did a blind test you’d have a tough time knowing which one it is.

Converted to rec709 with the manufacturers luts..

@@DJILLEE So youre saying, Frankenstein the Sony footage with this lut, that lut and everything else you can find, then you can match it to the unprocessed Arri footage and then... I will have a hard time picking which is which? Got it!

Yep

yes i agree. the canon is looking nice. now it has raw!

Love this. Tell me more.

It is wildly good. I’ve used it a bunch and love the image.

Yes, yes it is.

You are definitely right. Judging the cameras against each other is completely impossible with different lenses. That’s why I at least included one shot (me in front of white wall) that kept everything the same.

I think honestly you can get them all to a good point in resolve, but there really is something just magical about the Alexa.

I’m wondering if it’s the noise reduction in camera that is influencing that a little bit.

@@BlaineWestropp1 oh, I think you nailed it.

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I am able to provide footage to test if you are interested just let me know.

Do you mean the Sony exposure being lower?

@@BlaineWestropp1 yes. Is this why don’t tends to do better on highlight? Are they always underexposing?

I don’t think so. I just think at matched settings the Sony is darker.

It was inevitable..

I used offset for years. Now I occasionally use the primaries before the LUT. I know this will piss off most colorists, but this is what I do sometimes.

@@BlaineWestropp1 doing primaries befroe the lut is 100% correct. anyone who thinks different doesnt understand!

@@sammorganmoore I use HDR wheels most nowadays!

@@BlaineWestropp1 as long as its befroe the lut it works :)

@@sammorganmoore of course

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Didn’t do any adjustments apart from exposure and WB on any of the cameras.

The speedbooster does shift color a little bit . Need more compensation for that

Are you sure it shifts color?

With a little work in resolve the Sony is looking good

Yeah they all differ a bit, you can push them all around pretty nicely in resolve but I like the way the Alexa responds to those pushes. I do also have slight bias though bc I haven’t gotten so used to it over the years.

There really is only one champ.

May need to test this in resolve. Never really thought about that. Thanks for the idea.

@@BlaineWestropp1 Absolutely! Thank you for the awesome videos!

@@zechenwei1139 thank you!

They really have come a long way

thats why i do the tests! there are differences for sure in the image. but there are also even more, more important differences that come into play when actually using the cameras and the workflow. all depends on the job of course. the alexa for me.. has some magic.

@@BlaineWestropp1 I swear they all seem so distinct to me; the Canon for instance compared to the Sony - but then I wonder if maybe that’s the result of the color grading workflow of that particular person. I shoot solely on the FX6 currently because I specialize in documentary type stuff .. but I’m wanting to branch out and try a new system for a more high end commercial type work. What are your thoughts about the image coming out of the FX6/3 vs let’s say RED or even Canon cine cameras?

They do all have differences off the camera. The more I use the fx3 the more I like the image. I like red over sony. PL mount, red raw, easier menu system. That being said, internal NDs on the fx6 are nice if you need internal. I haven’t ever used an fx6 though. Had a scarlet-w and used it for years and got incredible footage.

You will 😎

@@BlaineWestropp1 my pleasure ❤️

:)

Didn’t push the saturation at all. Also, it’s just weird to have to overexpose the image. I don’t have to over expose the image on other cameras. In certain scenarios overexposing can cause problems especially because the fx3 clips highlights at around 94 IRE. Also, when using the FX3 I never have a really solid idea on if I even have proper exposure let alone trying to expose one stop over. Maybe it’s just the fact that I don’t use it so much and any camera takes a bit of getting to know. When I did use it recently I did find that I was exposing the images to a point where they looked a little too bright on the monitor. Even when pulling up scopes on an external monitor, I have a hard time when I see them so low, but the image looks so bright. Anyways, nice camera that’s easy to move around. Lastly, I have never encountered the fx3 rendering highlights better than the LF!

To add to this, when I was shooting when the images looked bright on the monitor, they looked beautiful once graded in resolve.

@@BlaineWestropp1 Look at around 6:25, and compare the 3 cameras, clearly the C70 is the worst of the cameras in highlights, look at the clouds and the buildings fading into the fog. In highlights the LF and FX3 look almost neck and neck but in a couple of the switches the FX3 is looking to pull a tiny bit more in the high sky cloud shadows and the fading of the buildings into the fog but the FX3 in the shadows is a bit darker and is not having the same detail as the LF. Thats why I say over expose just a bit because the camera can handle it. With the Sony FX9 and FX6 in CineEI mode you can rate the camera at a lower ISO so that takes out the guess work in over exposing because ISO level is locked at native values but in monitoring and LUTS it shows in accordance to the ISO value. I know you can't do this in the A7S3 because ISO values actually change and record as you change it I'm not sure about the FX3. If you watch some recovery videos especially comparing the latest Sony Cinema cameras (FX9, FX6, A7S3) to the newest Canon Cinema Cameras (C300 MK3, C500 MK2, R5 which is really bad compared to the other cameras in this group) the Canon cameras quickly fall apart when at 3 stops over but the Sony's can decently recover at about up to 5 stops. Highlight roll off in Canon cameras will quickly start to clip at 2-3 stops while at 3 stops on Sony cameras it will still look like it rolls off. Pushing shadows on the other hand they are usually neck and neck. Compared to Arri cameras though in over exposures the Sony's are pretty close at recovery up to 5 stops but in shadows the Arri easily crushes all these cameras. This is the reason why Arri has a wider dynamic range. But to compensate with the Sony cameras over exposing can help pull and clean the shadows up a bit. I came from the FS7 where over exposure was required and when I jumped to the FX9 and they said you don't need to over expose I was like cool, I shot as is but clearing when I got into grading while I could easily get a good grade I felt the shadows could use some improvement so I went back to over exposing and the results were positive and I would push the grade much easier. Alistar Chapman also recommended over exposing a stop in his test to even though its not need he mentioned it helps to get cleaner shadows and recommends it.

Well.. I got an fx3. What do you want to shoot? Will this be your main camera? I like the fx3 for its size, full frame sensor, and low light abilities. I like the c70 for its internal NDs and canon raw.

@@BlaineWestropp1 realizing the cost isn’t worth it. I’m unpaid and hobbyist. Thinking fx30 👀 nothing similar on canon end

Go with the fx3 or 30

Or, the blackmagic pocket cam. It more similar to what it’s like shooting on an Alexa. Simple. If video is your focus, then blackmagic may be the way to go.

@@BlaineWestropp1 thanks! Fx30 or BMPCC6K? The only knock is lack of AF?

Wait, divide which controls? The HDR?

Nothing really, just testing things. In the end of the day doing these tests makes me film some random stuff, try things out, post to KZfaq see what people like. A part from the actual videos I post, I learn a lot about what people like and don’t like, as well as learn new techniques when filming. It’s all just experimentation.

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I still haven't adopted ACES. I just dont love it!

I’d love to, I don’t have one but I suppose I could rent one and test it out.

Not bad at all. The best in fact!

It is really stunning

Matching is tough. I’ve been matching cameras to other cameras for years and I find that if you have a timeline with only one camera it’s best to just create a look that looks good for that specific camera and that specific footage. If you want, I could send you two of the same clips from each camera so you can build looks. Just let me know!

@@BlaineWestropp1 that would be amazing, and very helpful!

Will get you a link soon!

Any cam today is making a good image. My quick KZfaq tests should not be any significant indication about any of these cameras. I’ve shot with a hunch of cameras in professional settings and the Alexa really comes out on top for a lot of reasons. Doesn’t mean the others can’t produce good looking images.

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Phantom is great. The new LUT straight off the camera for the fx3 ain’t horrible. I also created one that I usually start with. But phantom neutral is great.

I’ll tell my friend who supplied the c70 😇

I now have confidence in fixing it up in resolve. Took a few months of experimenting.

Would be nice if you could turn down internal sharpness, but the more I use the camera the more I think it’s really really good.

yo of course mini LF is better..

Yes!

@@BlaineWestropp1 damn!

It’s a crazy thing

Since this video I have them all matched up nicely. The c70 is particularly nice when shooting clog2!

I do like it too, and have been liking it more and more over the past few months. I like it, but not as much as the alexa!

I agree

Just testing