Right, I was thinking the same thing, like the ones that seen it before come out of nowhere with wrong information. I think the top left guy said dbz spans in a time frame of a few days 😂Gohan was 4 at the beginning and 17 or technically 18 at the end of DBZ

ikr

Like how when he tried to say Freeza's power in his 3rd form was 250 million, when his 100% full power in his final form is 120 million.

@@chblegendary165he said that they were on namek for a few days

@@chblegendary165I noticed that generally. But for that specific comment, I assumed surely he knows meeting raditz to the end of the buu saga was more than a few days. I took it as without time skips, or maybe each saga. It’s still undercutting it, but I get the idea.

Yeah. I mean in a year he went from being one shot by Raditz to taking out most of the saibamen in one attack. His feats are often insanely impressive in the context of 1 or 2 arcs ago, but he can never really compete with the present threats. Honestly when you consider how many bullshit advantages Saiyans have even without factoring in super forms, it's kind of ridiculous that Krillin kept up with Goku for as long as he did.

Tougher than tien?

@@cpob2013 Tien IS stronger BUT he isn't human.

@@cpob2013 it's debatable but I'd say yeah. Tien's status as a human is also debatable. He's definitely got some nonhuman ancestry even if it's distant. Tien's stronger than krillin in his first appearance but he's also like 20 whereas krillin is 16. So that doesn't really imply that tien is more talented. Tien's use of the kikoho against Cell was pretty badass but other than that krillin generally outperforms him from the Saiyan arc to the tournament of power. You'd expect Tien to be definitively stronger after krillin sort of retired from martial arts training for a while, but it doesn't seem like he is. Maybe Tien was more focused on teaching and running a dojo than training himself during that time. Or maybe training without an impending threat or a gravity amplifier or a divine teacher isn't really worth much in the dragon ball universe.

​@@GoTree64Tien could be human. The 3rd eye is usually associated with enlightenment, so it could be result of training.

A win on his own?

@@agentemelone7669he survived almost two full sagas before getting the axe?

​​@@agentemelone7669He gets Android 16 to safety during Semi-Perfect Cell's hunt for 18, and by extension sets up the blast cap for Gohan's ascension to SSJ2 Edit: I realize this is an assist more than a win, but that's just as valuable, isn't it? And in that regard, Krillin contributes more than several other Z-Fighters combined

@@malachiatkinson7245 yamcha..

​@@malachiatkinson7245"and just like that, you've already contributed more than vegeta" - perfect cell (Yes, this line was to yamcha but I dont care)

People overstate how long some stuff takes in DBZ that it retroactively changes people's memories. Like don't get me wrong, they do hold on some shots for a long time but one episode for a transformation? No transformation got that.

@@Amirifiz SS3 was maybe close. If you count DBGT you could honestly say SS4 was the longest.

​@Nihlux If you find the right clip from the original airing of DBZ (not Kai), it was something like 4-5 minutes for the SS3 transformation. The clip I always used to refer to started with Goku saying "What you see now is my normal state," and ends with him saying, "This is what I call Super Saiyan 3." That clip, if memory serves, was almost exactly six minutes. I want to say 6:02, but don't quote me on that. But to be fair, that also included the cutaways to the seas churning, Satan City having an earthquake, Mr. Satan in his gym freaking out, Trunks in awe of Goku before continuing on to Capsule Corp, etc. But there was still a lot of Sean Schemmel powering up.

​@@Amirifiz​​ If you're talking about the conversation around 3:26:04 they are talking about charging the Spirit Bomb, not a transformation

@@Amirifiz yeah I agree… Why do casual DBZ fans always try to rewrite the history of the show? Also the Goku being a bad father narrative…Like just say all you’ve watched about Dragon Ball is the abridged series😂

Gohan grew his back, so it's canon in the show itself. Piccolo pulled off the first one, then Vegeta got it the second time

True

Adult saiyans do not grow their tales back one they’ve been cut it’s been like that for years I honestly thought everyone knew this, WHICH IS WHY GOKU GOT HIS TAIL BACK IN GT

@@PoloWolo 1. You pulled that right from your ass 2. GT is not canon nor is it written by Toriyama, you can not use it as evidence for your head-canon

@@juub5171it’s been known for the longest that only saiyan children regrow their tails and even then only once while adult saiyans dont regrow them hence why gohan never grew his back after it did the once and goku never regrew his once he cut it off as an adult. That’s not even new info that’s so old even I knew that as a kid and I’m 21

Yah... but he isn't though.

​@@piusdoe8984- Puts in as much work against Nappa as Piccolo and Gohan - Strategizes his, Gohan's, Bulma's, and Dende's survival and collection of the Namekian Dragon Balls - Kills this timeline's Cell - Gets Android 16 to safety during Cell's hunt for 18, allowing 16 to act as Gohan's SSJ2 catalyst - Personally squares up against Kid Buu in Heaven, helping buy enough time for Goku and Vegeta to bait him away - Builds a life and family with 18, helping validate in Future Trunks's mind that the peace he fought for wasn't for nothing

Krillin is important to the whole storyline since og dragonball. It's not his fault that his best friend was actually an alien with ridiculous levels of hidden potential lol.

Jojo was still new and not very popular when this arc started.

If anything thats fuckin Power Rangers. These guys have no idea what they’re talking about lol

Jojo's put in a reference to Team Four Star, which I think is much more interesting and impressive

@@MrGBH Yeah there was a "Crapbaskets" in the English dub of death 13 which caught me by surprise, but that was a good while after tfs had hit their prime.

@@NeO_SaNdMaN4040dental is literally Japanese power rangers, so you’re spot on

He was always scared AF but usually ended up being the first one to step up when they needed someone even when he knew it was gonna go badly for him. Krillin has more courage than most of the members of the group and that's what Goku saw. That's why he is the best friend of the main character because he has always fought with him or stood with his family to buy time for Goku to get there

Even Cell acknowledged this in the Cell Saga of DBZA: "Even Krillin's doing his best!"

Ever since Cell I lost respect for Krillin

@@patrickevans9604 Literally if you wanna describe a hero, I'd say Krillin every time.

Krillin has 18....as far as I'm concerned he deserves as much respect as he wants

and it all comes full circle in super hero

in this serie it actually does kinda show that popo has a soft spot for goku.

​@@AldoAnotherEden"You're lucky you're endearing"

@@marieporter9488 “Hehe.” -Goku

I've watched this so many times it's so subtle I never noticed, he might never call himself a friend but he's happy to be considered or implied as one.

"Your father's an idiot!"

And it was his idea to go there as well

wait, really? why not just hire the person?

which dub? source?

LittleKuriboh is an absolute G!

​@@stoveoven ever watch dbzkai?

@@Zero-bh9on kai did NOT take inspiration from abridged my guy

No, thats a lie. The transformation takes like 1:30 minutes.

It does not take 2 episodes for the transformation it's literally like 2 minutes

@@Thekeay1 my mistake then

@lechevalier-ns2pt no worries hope I didn't sound too much like a d**k 🤣

Yeah, that's the real reason, Team Three Star was a joke about how people thought their name was made

@@Kortegard0341 Why not both!?

It was actually Goku going SSJ4 in GT not SSJ3

@@gengarclefairy3475 huh, I heard differently. Whatever, I'll edit it.

Dude that’s 12% of a whole episode that’s still allot

In terms of animation, that's like an hour.

Exactly. Like, the longest one by far, SSJ3, is like 6 minutes long, including other character reactions and blah blah whatever. Like, it’s a joke in the community, but it’s completely disingenuous.

Actually it was explained in the game Kakarot which a lot of it is considered cannon. At least the lore dropped. It turns out that if the saiyan becomes powerful enough that the Oozaru transformation is weaker than the saiyan is base, the tail doesn't seem to grow back. With Trunks and Goten they were born already stronger than the great ape form, so they didn't grow one ever. It's an interesting way they got past that, and from an adaptation/evolution standpoint it makes sense. I'm 75% sure Akira Toriyama gave his thumbs up to the lore addition.

@@mitchellhennig2539 that doesn’t make sense considering the great ape form is a multiplayer meaning it’s your base power x10 and that explanation would work (minus that plot hole) if brolys berserk wasn’t a thing either. How can you still access the power if by your definition you’re still leagues ahead of it. That doesn’t make any sense. I don’t consider any video game to be canon especially when they literally change shit that was in the manga; in terms of dialogue differences and when something SHOULD take place and doesn’t.

​@@ieatpotatosalad535 I know for goku it was the result of kami putting a spell on it after removing it. For gohan he's a hybrid so maybe that has something to do with it. Vegeta I assume the reasoning he means is that if you go great ape and lose your tail and then receive a zenkai then your body adapts and feels that it no longer needs the tail. And with gotten and trunks it's because their fathers didn't have tails and had FAR outgrown the need for it in terms of their biology. Broly is hard to decern but from what I can understand is broly uses the great ape "form" like a technique. Think of it like the reverse of ultra instinct with goku. Instead of having the need to transform into a giant monkey he just uses the power in his base as a boost. Like his own version of kaioken if you will. It's not out of the land of possibility considering A: broly is the legendary super saiayn. And B: we've seen "forms" like that before like master roshi's buff form. But if thst still doesn't explain the plot holes. Chalk it up to Akira toriyama (rest his soul) kept forgetting to add saiyan tails to his saiyans and forget his own rules and just decided to scrap it general.

​@@ieatpotatosalad535 the anime already changes events from the manga so what do you mean? ☝️🤓

Seeing as goku has saved the earth/universe on multiple occasions I feel like he’s earned it 🤷‍♂️

@@mookiestewart3776 nah. freeza only came to earth because goku is an idiot and chose not to kill him and the androids were made to kill him. so him being the reason the threats happened in the first place cancels out any privliages he should get. though the androdis were unintentional as he was a kid so I don't blame him. but doesn't change the fact they were made because of him.

​@jdogzerosilverblade299 If it's super goku than yeah I see your point. But Z goku is not an idiot by any standards nor is he as bad as he is made out to be. He's not the reason big threats exist on earth. The opponents were already threats to begin with, goku just showed up and kicked their asses. But because of goku's good nature sometimes it comes back to bite him. He did try to kill frieza on namek. Frieza just survived unbeknownst to goku. And if trunks hadn't shown up, goku would have killed frieza there. Frieza was already a threat to the universe. The only reason it has anything to do with goku is due to the circumstances. And that was caused by vegeta and nappa. If you want to look at it. Frieza coming to earth was the fault of vegeta since he's the catalyst that sent everyone to namek. The red ribbon thing is a bit of a hard topic since android were already made before goku showed up (android 8 being a prime example) not only that but if goku hadn't taken down the red ribbon they would have taken over the world (given pilaf hadn't gotten his wish). 17 and 18 were just byproducts of goku already stopping a world threat that he thought was fully gone.

these are the same guys who's entire view of dragon ball is "character scream for 6 hours, punch once, big hair, staring contest for half the episode" and when you ask how much of db they've watched they always say that they "start at Z"

Yeah. Not even a fan of DB, but that just felt like a headkick out of nowhere. maybe im tired of people heaping praise on dubs for various reasons because of what i watched that had in my opinion very bad dubs, but the heck, no need to swing at the original version like that.

Kami put a spell on goku for his tail to stop growing since it was a threat idk why gohans didnt I believe bulma did something to stunt its growth

@@samuraisempi1883 Nah Toriyama (R.I.P) just forgot about the tails or more didnt like to always draw the tails so he just removed them, just like launch

@@samuraisempi1883 Same with Vegeta and Broly, though. I doubt Paragus was the kind of expert who could pull that off permanently. Gohan's likely didn't return simply for plot convenience and Goten and Trunks never dealt with it because Toriyama forgot about it.

when they get their tails cut off when in ape form, it wont grow back. thats why.

That guy on the bottom right has some really weird takes about the show. It's like he thinks every meme or lighthearted jab at DBZ by fans was meant to be taken literally. Yes, the transformations were noticeably panned out to fill in the runtime. But we're only talking in terms of minutes within an episode, not literally entire episodes. That would be unwatchable. That's watching paint dry on a wall if the wall could scream.

@@victorconway444 ikr lol, goku going ssj on Namek was less than 5 minutes towards the end of the episode and he's like "yeah around 3 episodes"

transformations no, but that ultra spirit bomb to kill kid buu did take a hot minute to get going lol

@@Atom-yb5dy the ONLY time in Z powering up took longer than 1 episode (including evey spirit bomb ofc)

Didn't the ss3 transformation take an entire episode? I remember at least 2 commercial breaks interrupting goku screaming bloody murder when I was a kid

Yea, it was because SSJ4s voice is lower, and he didn't take a good breathe before doing a kamehameha, so trying to force that air out at a lower voice without enough taken in, he passed out, or nearly did.

@@OttersTho He think he said he did go down but never really blacked out or stayed down.

I like krillin, I always like the ‘best friend who inevitably die’ trope in this cause dies twice.

Wouldn't that make him the perfect self-insert character though?

@@victorconway444 He’s bald

God yes lol 😂

"I am gonna rock his four foot world"

That's not a joke, that's similar to what Cui says in the show

I thought it was hans and frans from the old SNL skits

@@soilworleyperhaps the athf chracters were a reference to that then? Either way I would say the tfs guys more than likely got it from athf, they have several adult swim jokes in the series

Except Elon isnt a genius

Exactly. It started to ruin my watching of them watching. After 4th wrong thing they said I just stopped caring

​@@chblegendary165 same here especially the disrespect to the sub that hurt

@@dinglebord DBZ sub is great, the only show that I watch on dub is yuyo hakusho imo that had perfect dub

I find that for a lot people it depends on what you experienced first. I heard original first but personally I enjoy the English dub more. Either way DBZ is a great experience

@@ruule For me, as long as a dub isn’t abysmally bad, I’ll watch that instead of the sub because it makes it easier for me to connect with what the characters are saying and how they emphasize words. I have no doubt in my mind that Japanese VA’s are really good, I just can’t fully appreciate their performances since I don’t know the language. Also so I won’t have to rewind constantly in case I was too slow on reading the subtitles/being too distracted reading what the subs are saying and I end up missing some stuff on screen.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, no? Just because some VAs do a lot of good work (and I DO know Bulma’s VA has done a lot of good work) doesn’t mean that there are some people who dislike the voices they put on.

​@@midnightmorpher9066I think their point is that if you watch from the start of Dragon ball Goku's voice isn't a problem later on because it fits in Dragon Ball and so you don't even notice it in DBZ.

still we should run like it is Godzillaaaaaaa!

Same I’ve watched them all at least 5 times never heard or seen em