Das ist richtig, die Stromrichter entstammen der gleichen Familie :)

Dazu fehlt mir aktuell leider die Zeit 😅

@@mittenpulstaktung geht es aber vielleicht dass du, wenn ich irgendwann fertig bin neue Sounds zu entwickeln (dauert vielleicht noch ein bis zwei Wochen bis ich alles zusammenhabe), mir sie dann in/als eine Mod einbaust? da du ja wahrscheinlich weißt wie das geht und so, müsste es doch nicht SO lange dauern, oder? wenn dir dazu aber auch nicht genug Zeit da ist dann ist das kein Problem, ich kann überall woanders noch nachfragen und um Hilfe bitten 👍 falls ich damit schon irgendwie nerve oder so tut es mir leid, ich will ja nur gerne auch mal etwas Gutes für die Zugsim-Community machen, und da der ICE 3 auch mein Lieblingstriebfahrzeug ist finde ich dass ich da etwas gegen die schlechten TSW-Sounds machen muss! Grüße und erstmal schönen Tag noch wünsche ich dir!

@@Myron0117Für den ICE 3 hatte ich mal was angefangen, aber ich kanns mir dann mal anschauen ^^ Mit was baust du denn jetzt deine Mod, und aus welchen Aufnahmen wenn ich fragen darf?

@@mittenpulstaktung also angefangen habe ich mit den Motorgeräuschen aus dem PowerUnit-Ordner, wo ich die Sounds ein wenig mit Audacity verändert habe wie z.B. die Tonhöhe und weiteres. Gerade arbeite ich an den Türen und suche auf KZfaq Türschließsounds von innen raus, weil es sich im moment nicht so gut meiner Meinung nach anhört, und mir das Zischen auch fehlt. Ich hab auch geplant einige Sounds so zu lassen wie sie vorher schon waren, da sie eigentlich ganz okay sind. Ganz so Profimäßig kann ich es leider auch nicht machen weil ich eher so der Anfänger bin aber mal sehen... und was hattest du denn schon am ICE 3 gemacht, dürfte ich das mal erfahren?

@@Myron0117 Stromrichtersounds, Fahrmotorsounds, Schaltersounds ausm Fst

Tbh, the 387s and 385s are quite inefficient compared to the Aventras and even this, mostly because they don't eliminate a ton of harmonics and don't use RCFM, which results in a sine-like waveform. Btw, this likely sounds more crisp because it was recorded in the cab, which has way less insulation than the rest of the train.

@raphael4614 I agree on the one hand, but on the other, I don't know If the 385s are that much less energy efficient overall. Given that they were both developed around the same time as each other and probably have maximised efficiency factored into both their designs (aventra & 385 gen A train I mean, 387s are ageneration behind both) I think other factors like variation of components used In the style of traction /body shell Infrustructure/design method play a part and weight too. The 385s also are a developed stage of A train let's say compared to class 395s and are less efficient by comparison , (which are actually quieter) A good example first generation talent 2s don't sound much different than the more modernised fleet of talent trains which seem to be alot more smooth to the audio (talent 3 OBB jet also) and you can hear some differences. But they still sound great. Whilst aventras are really efficient , I think they are also an anomaly, as there are plenty of more modernised energy efficient trains that just sound better. I liken aventras to class 350s/450s with how quiet they are. Like 350s/ 450s are quiet despite their similar age and development to electrostars , but electrostars still being alot more audiable and performing better overall. And the second gen electrostars being even more efficient......being even louder than the first. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 but they do perform WAY better. Class 379s are a good example tbf.

@@bb-3653 Well, the goal is always to minimize losses and noise. The point of asynchronous modulation is to minimize both at low speeds, which can be achieved with a high switching frequency or a sinusoidal waveform, which can be generated with PCFM (which the Desiro UK uses) or RCFM (which the Aventras, the Twindexx and Talent 2 use), the latter generating less noise. Neither the 385 nor the 387 use anything like that, they just use SVPWM. At higher speeds, eliminating harmonics and noise can be achieved with synchronous modulation. Depending on the used modulation methods, certain harmonics can be selected in advance and then eliminated (SHEPWM) or just kept at a minimum (CHM). The problem with the 385 is the sudden transition from asynchronous to synchronous modulation, which likely results in a torque jerk and losses. The 387 doesn't effectively eliminate any harmonics (at least according to some papers), which results in high switching losses and is generally bad for the motor. The Aventras, Twindexx and Talent 2 on the other hand use RCFM and have a very subtle transition between asynchronous and synchronous modulation, which doesn't really result in a large torque jerk. They also elimibate a lot of harmonics during synchronous. So yeah, more quiet and more modern doesn't always have to equal better, but it often does.

@raphael4614 I see i see. I guess it all depends then. But that's basically what I was saying witj regards to it depending on the train and the system etc. Lower noise doesent always mean super efficient etc, but at the same time can dedinately be an indication of better efficiency depending on the trains build and Infrustructure. Alot of trains around the world likely being more efficient than aventras are still audiable but controlled. From what I've seen. But in short i was saying 385s relitively speaking are still quite efficien, even if some parts of the acceleration sequence are I guess..different. but not in the same way as a TALENT 3 or modern talent trains. And CAF or stadler trains Stadler trains make nice sound but seems to be kept in a controlled range as not to be too loud . They sound relatively smooth and actually quite pleasant. And the class 331s also. I think what adds to aventras muteness, is the fact that their motors are likely alot smaller as a means to fit them into the bogies and what not, obvs not all small motors are quiet , but with aventra fleet, the motor Infrustructure type+ smaller size seems to also contribute to that too. Apparently to add to that, they are force cooled and likely don't have any open ventilation on them. Whereas some tracrion motors do. So it all adds up via many factors it would seem. Thanks for your perspective though

@@bb-3653 Nah, the traction motor size isn't really a factor, neither is the cooling. It really just comes down to the gearbox design and, as I mentioned, the modulation. I believe ItsYa165 and you already argued about this some time ago, the sound isn't really generated by the ventilation. On that note, Stadler uses ABB inverters, which are generally known for not using synchronous modulation, but just some boring carrier frequencies (mostly 1kHz and 2kHz) till max speed, lol