No video

South African R2 and its Special Furniture

  Рет қаралды 213,339

Forgotten Weapons

Forgotten Weapons

5 жыл бұрын

/ forgottenweapons
Cool Forgotten Weapons merch! shop.bbtv.com/c...
In South African military service, the R1 was the FN FAL and was the preferred infantry combat rifle until the adoption of the Galil as the R4 rifle. So what were the guns in between? Well, the R2 was a South African adaptation of the G3. A large number of rifles were needed as a reserve, and also to equip second echelon units like the Air Force, Cape Corps, and South West Africa Territorial Force. To reduce the expense of this, South Africa purchased something like 100,000 G3 rifles from Portugal and designated them R2.
The Portuguese hand guards and buttstocks were found to be unsatisfactory, however. In the heat and harsh ultraviolet radiation of South West Africa (now Namibia) in particular, the plastic would shrink and lose its fit, leading to the guns being called "rattlers" by the SADF troops. The fix this, the American firm of Choate Machine & Tool was contracted to make new hand guards based on the H&K export pattern - wider and longer and with fittings for a bipod. New stocks were also made, duplicating the shape of the R1/FAL stock.
Contact:
Forgotten Weapons
PO Box 87647
Tucson, AZ 85754

Пікірлер: 489
@2015071
@2015071 5 жыл бұрын
Everyone: Which is better, FAL or G3? South Africa: yes
@teodoreberbach3651
@teodoreberbach3651 5 жыл бұрын
Cuz why not? They are both 7.62x51, both have pretty good accuracy and reliability.
@alfaholic3
@alfaholic3 5 жыл бұрын
😂😂
@notfbi5331
@notfbi5331 5 жыл бұрын
This is a spicy meme
@bryanhurd9955
@bryanhurd9955 5 жыл бұрын
R een
@PostalZimbabwe
@PostalZimbabwe 5 жыл бұрын
cringe
@dannythehonestgamer6051
@dannythehonestgamer6051 5 жыл бұрын
"R2-G3 what are you doing?" "Getting new furniture, nothing to see here. Move along."
@KTo288
@KTo288 5 жыл бұрын
Beep beep beep bee bee beep
@Ciderwinder
@Ciderwinder 5 жыл бұрын
Don't get technical with me you overweight glob of cosmoline.
@MandalorV7
@MandalorV7 5 жыл бұрын
This unit has a better motivator,
@CaDzA818
@CaDzA818 5 жыл бұрын
I thouth the same xD
@122ALVARO11
@122ALVARO11 5 жыл бұрын
Oh a portuguese G3.... My rifle for 5 years... Mine was manufactured in november of 73. I still remember the serial number. 291460. By the way the fmp on the magazine well stands for Forças militares portuguesas (Portuguese military forces)
@pedroalves8051
@pedroalves8051 5 жыл бұрын
Fall >> G3
@cobrajetter
@cobrajetter 5 жыл бұрын
Service in Mozambique or Angola?
@122ALVARO11
@122ALVARO11 5 жыл бұрын
@@cobrajetter neither. I served from 2003 to 2008. But the g3 was in service still then and is now. Going to be replaced by the SCAR-l in a near future
@cobrajetter
@cobrajetter 5 жыл бұрын
Apologies. I saw 73 and assumed you were possibly involved in the colonial wars with FRELIMO..
@122ALVARO11
@122ALVARO11 5 жыл бұрын
@@cobrajetter no need to apologise. The G3 in the portuguese army is a case of longevity. In service since the early 60's. Im not sure but i think the last batch of portuguese made G3 was manufactred in the early 90's. .
@frikkiecoetzee6198
@frikkiecoetzee6198 5 жыл бұрын
Ian. My previous post went missing. You have it a bit wrong here. The R1 was the FAL made locally. The R2 was the folding stock paratrooper version. The R3 was a semi auto and heavy barrel version for police use. The Kommandos was issued the same rifles that the regular army units used. Not semi auto versions. The G3 was issued for various purposes such as infiltrations in neighboring countries where deniability was required. It was also used and given to our allies. Bought from Portugal. Hmmm really? Not quite. Captured in vast quantities in Angola a former Portuguese colony rather.
@BryanMennie1
@BryanMennie1 5 жыл бұрын
Frikkie Coetzee Frikkie is correct Ian. I grew up in South West Africa and the G3’s were designated just that. Also most of those came from Angola after the Portuguese left there. Similarly in SA the G3 was always designated just that a G3
@ITSJustAGame-ro5ut
@ITSJustAGame-ro5ut 4 жыл бұрын
Someone who knowes his stuff
@herman7661
@herman7661 4 жыл бұрын
Ian is at least partially correct. It is true that SA captured a number of G3 rifles during operations in Angola, but numbers were not that great. When Portugal suddenly abnadoned their African colonies, in the mid-seventies, their military commitments were vastly reduced and they were left with large stocks of weapons surplus to their needs. South Africa bought large numbers of G3 rifles from Portugal, at very favourable terms. The R1 rifle had at that time been out of production for a number of years. Restarting production would have been very expensive and SA was already considering a switch to 5.56. The SA Army also introduced large numbers of left-hand drive Unimog trucks in the mid-seventies. These were apparently also a Portuguese order which was taken over by SA after Portugal cancelled their order with Daimler Benz. There was further cooperation with the Portuguese in the eighties, during the development of the Oryx and Rooivalk helicopters.
@craigtiedt7255
@craigtiedt7255 3 жыл бұрын
Frikkie - wrong - I have the official SADF manual (s) that refer to the R2 as the H&K G3 and have the associated pics etc. that shows thus beyond a doubt.
@eisbeinGermany
@eisbeinGermany 3 жыл бұрын
yes the R1 was made off from the old Fn rifle from France,
@gregcampwriter
@gregcampwriter 5 жыл бұрын
South Africa uses R to designate rifles? Now that's just too simple. You're supposed to label everything with an M and even use the same number for several guns. /s
@joeblow9657
@joeblow9657 5 жыл бұрын
Well Germany has used G for Gewehr (rifle or gun in German) plus either the year or later the model number so.... (regrets in American).
@armandpotgieter9911
@armandpotgieter9911 4 жыл бұрын
@@joeblow9657 Afrikaaners are also Germanic descendants.
@joeblow9657
@joeblow9657 4 жыл бұрын
@@armandpotgieter9911 What's your point. They didn't use G to designate their rifles
@dutchman55
@dutchman55 4 жыл бұрын
And tanks*
@FullcircleZA
@FullcircleZA Жыл бұрын
@@armandpotgieter9911 well Dutch, I know cause I’m South African
@matthayward7889
@matthayward7889 5 жыл бұрын
So glad we haven’t run out of these SA videos 👌 The blue semi auto switch is quite a clever way of arming reservists.
@thestr8person
@thestr8person 5 жыл бұрын
@Zack Ceasar Why pointless when FAL's are very rarely useful in full auto?
@ArcturusOTE
@ArcturusOTE 5 жыл бұрын
@@thestr8person Not with a Halbek device
@TheArmskillerV2
@TheArmskillerV2 5 жыл бұрын
Especially with a Halbek device
@1r0zz
@1r0zz 5 жыл бұрын
If you can swap back to full auto, yeah.
@darkiee69
@darkiee69 5 жыл бұрын
The Swedis army had a similar thing. We got a red selectror switch when we were on guard duty. That made it semi only. The thought behind it was that it would stop you from emptying the magazine if you paniced in some situation.
@vncube1
@vncube1 5 жыл бұрын
I've lived in South Africa for 15 years and never knew we used G3s!!!
@mardiffv.8775
@mardiffv.8775 5 жыл бұрын
No wonder, these R2's were used in South West Africa by the terretorial force. Not very popular by the SADF troopies, I heard.
@timmehjimmeh
@timmehjimmeh 5 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the exact same thing! I'm feeling a little dense that I'd never heard of the R2 and R3 before.
@blaisechalmers1464
@blaisechalmers1464 5 жыл бұрын
vncube1, me too😂 I only found out recently from my dad's friend who was a Recce. He used a G3, while his squad used Ak 47s. He said the G3 was good but a bit clumsy
@frikkiecoetzee6198
@frikkiecoetzee6198 5 жыл бұрын
vncube1 we didnt. It was used by special forces and SWATF. Not our regular units except maybe 32 Battalion. Mostly from captured stock.
@blahorgaslisk7763
@blahorgaslisk7763 5 жыл бұрын
@@blaisechalmers1464 It's a bit bulky and heavy, but can double as a club when needed. A G3 in good condition is a very reliable and fairly accurate weapon, though I've been told the recoil impulse of the FAL is considered to be nicer. I wouldn't know as I only have experience with the G3 and never even touched a FAL.
@tenhundredkills
@tenhundredkills 5 жыл бұрын
Starting my day with a Forgotten Weapons video on a G3 pattern rifle and a cup of coffee. It's gonna be a good day!
@Sarrienne
@Sarrienne 5 жыл бұрын
That's how I like to end mine - It makes everything else better!
@repletereplete8002
@repletereplete8002 5 жыл бұрын
R2-G3 it is you, it is you!
@draelickarsus7937
@draelickarsus7937 5 жыл бұрын
God bless you sir. I was waiting for Ian to say something like that for nearly the entire video, but alas, he did not.
@trevormorrison523
@trevormorrison523 5 жыл бұрын
Ian, you may want to double check your sources. After carrying the R4 for two years, I served in two different Kommando units and carried a standard R1. The R2 was the paratrooper folding stock version of the R1. The R3 was the SA version of the G3.
@crazyafrican9955
@crazyafrican9955 4 жыл бұрын
Nope R3 was Semi auto G3 both are R2 or newer got a R
@lupusthefurry7012
@lupusthefurry7012 2 жыл бұрын
Damn you must be like 50-60 by now
@lupusthefurry7012
@lupusthefurry7012 2 жыл бұрын
Brain makes me think that due to the people I know who served due to mandatory service being really old
@PhansiKhongoloza
@PhansiKhongoloza 10 ай бұрын
Only the Airforce designated the G3 as the R2. The other services called it what it was.....a G3. An R2 was the folding stock R1. R3 was a semi auto R1 issued to the SAP as personal weapons. And not used on border duty.
@TheXaelem
@TheXaelem 8 ай бұрын
There seems to be a lot of differing view from individuals that all served in the SANDF... Probably because of inconsistency in the SANDF. My experience was that the R1 is a FAL, R2 is a shotened folding stock FAL and the R3 was a G3. Kommandos was issued semi auto R1s, but I know for a fact that there are cases where the kommandos swopped out the selectors for full autos... I feel no need to inform anyone I was serving, where or when, to prove to anyone I am a man.
@madmaxd1
@madmaxd1 4 жыл бұрын
I live in USA and back in the mid 80's acquired a new Springfield Armory SAR-3. This is a semiautomatic G3/HK91 clone made in Greece by Hellenic Arms (EBO), under HK licensing & tooling and imported by Springfield Armory. Over the years I've bought all types of furniture and accessories for it, including this same South African furniture set. Very cool indeed to see some history on these.
@jimborsa
@jimborsa 3 жыл бұрын
The ZP or Zululand Police used them. After amalgamation in 94 we trained the ZP reserves who all were issued G3 or R2s and CZ75. They were in a shocking state as their armourers were not interested in servicing the weapons. Once they had been serviced and cleaned they were very good weapons. Not quite as good as the R1 but good enough. Much lighter and smaller they suited smaller stayer soldiers and police officers.
@blue_ridge_shooting7668
@blue_ridge_shooting7668 5 жыл бұрын
My girlfriend's dad carried an R1 during his time with the 32nd Battalion during the Angolan war. I saw quite a few Portuguese contract rifles in Kenya and Tanzania both.
@keanur6541
@keanur6541 5 жыл бұрын
I'm a boer and a proud one. Thanks for the SA videos ian. The boer kommandos saying was " met god en mauser" With god and mauser.
@bryanhurd9955
@bryanhurd9955 5 жыл бұрын
God
@genericdenizen1
@genericdenizen1 5 жыл бұрын
Long live the Boer! God Bless from the USA.
@nicolaiby1846
@nicolaiby1846 5 жыл бұрын
It would be very cool if you got your hands on a Norwegian G3(AG3), specifically the later versions like the AG3-F2 with its modernized tactical furniture, retractable stock etc. Or even better, an AK5(Swedish FNC derivative)! Have you ever done an FNC video? I don't remember ever seeing one.
@lavrentivs9891
@lavrentivs9891 5 жыл бұрын
He has a FNC video, but it's pretty old and the video- and sound quality isn't that great.
@muhughu
@muhughu 5 жыл бұрын
There is indeed a video on the Ak-5, but it is quite old and the quality is really bad. (Edit, the video is about the FNC)
@GunsNGames1
@GunsNGames1 5 жыл бұрын
Check out the Brazilian Imbel IA2, a modernized and heavily modified FAL, produced in 5.56x45mm and 7.62x51mm, check it ou on Google, it's a nice rifle, but i can't use it since the base i serve have only shitty old modified Gewehr 98's.
@superturkeylegs
@superturkeylegs 5 жыл бұрын
He should have done it for Syttende Mai!
@nicolaiby1846
@nicolaiby1846 5 жыл бұрын
@@GunsNGames1 Its really cool yeah.
@dominicmoodie7601
@dominicmoodie7601 5 жыл бұрын
Always cool hearing about the military firearms history of my country, love the vids keep it up!!!
@Stargazer80able
@Stargazer80able 5 жыл бұрын
4:00 The Norwegian G3`s were the same, to stop the rattling in the field, they put moss or small twigs inside the handguard. No upgrades were put into place. No wonder, since that nations forces are all about saving money where they need not to, and spend all where it does not matter- LOL. Great vid as always by the way Ian!
@KirkBygate-xo5nj
@KirkBygate-xo5nj 5 ай бұрын
The R5 was our carry rifle but we used the R2 as a drill rifle ( SAAF basic training 1988). The R2 was a total piece of crap. I dropped mine onto my matress and snapped the stock in half.The only up side of the R2 was that during drill/parade you could pop out the captive stock pin and hook it in your pants pocket, so you did not need to carry the full rifle weight during a two and a half hour parade.
@vvr881
@vvr881 5 жыл бұрын
R does not neccessary stand for Rifle but earlier for Republiekswapen 1,2 etc
@vvr881
@vvr881 5 жыл бұрын
Which basically means Republic weapon 1,2,3 etc
@si_vis_pacempara_bellum4906
@si_vis_pacempara_bellum4906 5 жыл бұрын
I think he meant the R was selected to stand for rifles, like G (G36) for the Germans and L (L1A2) for the British maybe? I'm just guessing here
@Kupalski0031
@Kupalski0031 5 жыл бұрын
If R1 is the South African FAL, the R2 is the G3, and the R4 is the Galil. May I ask what went to become the R3?
@si_vis_pacempara_bellum4906
@si_vis_pacempara_bellum4906 5 жыл бұрын
Ian Kenneth Leganada R3 is the semi only version of the R1
@Kupalski0031
@Kupalski0031 5 жыл бұрын
@@si_vis_pacempara_bellum4906 oh, okay. R3 is a semi auto FAL but not necessarily a variant of the L1A1, right?
@Tragon-p8m
@Tragon-p8m 3 жыл бұрын
I remember seeing some of these back when I was doing my ''Diensplig'' (national service) whilst we in the army were armed with R1s ( FALs, these were being phased out back in 88-89 when I was there, or R4s ( Galils), the air force boys had these R2 things I seem to recall.
@DeanRenwick-y7n
@DeanRenwick-y7n Ай бұрын
In January 1988 I started Basic Training in the Air Force (Permanent Force). We were issued with the R2 (G3) with the original hand guard and butt stock. Later on during Basic Training we were the first group to be issued with brand new R5’s. The R5 was used for shooting training but the R2 was still used for parade drilling as there were no sop’s on how to use the R5 as a parade rifle. I remember that with mismanagement the guys often managed to break the R2 butt stock. The smokers also manage to hide their cigarettes in the gas chamber by removing the cap in the front.
@hedgeearthridge6807
@hedgeearthridge6807 5 жыл бұрын
The R2 foregrip LOOKS SO GOOD
@tedrelton2830
@tedrelton2830 5 жыл бұрын
Love any rifle like a g3 or a g3 definitely one of the best looking guns ever made
@ricardocorredouro8251
@ricardocorredouro8251 2 жыл бұрын
In my time in the Portuguese army the handguard rattling was resolved with a cigarette filter on the lower part of the handguard, but just in combat, on parade the filter was removed, when the palm of the hand hits the handguard it will make a louder sound. 🇵🇹
@deanvanderwesthuizen810
@deanvanderwesthuizen810 5 жыл бұрын
As a sadf collector ,I love watching your videos on south African weapons
@lukehattingh8735
@lukehattingh8735 5 жыл бұрын
Welcome to South Africa, I hope you have a wonderful stay.
@johnwhitley2898
@johnwhitley2898 5 жыл бұрын
The amount of weapons variety that exists in the "Africa" we know and have some access to is astounding! Keep on uncovering the hidden gems Ian!! It is enlightening!
@barrishenriksen
@barrishenriksen 4 жыл бұрын
I was in the SAAF 83-85 and was issued this in basic training. we had the older version and the front guards rattled then we had to do a lot of parades and would push the 2 pins out a bit that holds the butt stock and hook it on out pants pocket so as to take the weight off our arms, just hope the drill instructor did not catch you doing it otherwise we would have to hold the rifle up in front of us and march on the spot. this rifle still packet a mean punch
@Terrr05
@Terrr05 3 жыл бұрын
Good video. I just want to add that, unlike in other parts of the world, in South Africa the coloureds are their own legally defined race; they and everybody else calls them coloured, not "mixed race". They have a unique subculture, slang, accent, and place in society (where they were oppressed by white supremecy during Apartheid, they're oppressed by the now black majority government). As far as I remember, they're also one of the most genetically/racially diverse ethnic groups in the world, with ancestors coming from SE Asia, Central Europe, as well as Southern and Central Africa. I left SA when I was a kid, though, so who knows how they feel about the term now.
@ivanskillian6730
@ivanskillian6730 4 ай бұрын
i was in the SWA Territorial Force, and our standard rifle was the R-1 plastic stock. Never saw a R-2. The R1 was our standard issue in 1987.
@etienne25384
@etienne25384 4 жыл бұрын
Just 1 comment to add. People keep getting it wrong. Coloured, as known in Apartheid South Africa, referred to people of indigenous heritage. This referred to people of either the Khoi or San heritage, what was...then... referred to as Bushman, but also included people of Malay heritage. So basically 3 ethnicities condensed into one label.
@MrFoxxRaven
@MrFoxxRaven 5 жыл бұрын
A lot of these rifles can still be seen in use. Its rare but theyre out there. I love the south african videos. Gives some explanation to all the rifles i saw guys using when i was growing up.
@andreduplessis508
@andreduplessis508 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Ian, we also had a R7 heavy barrel sniper rifle with ports facing upwards to prevent dust being kicked up during fire.
@GunsNGames1
@GunsNGames1 5 жыл бұрын
Is like a PSG-1?
@gustavferreira627
@gustavferreira627 Жыл бұрын
The R7 was not a sniper rifle, it was a squad automatic weapon. Not only that but it was a prototype weapon. I think you may be confusing the R7 with the R4 designated marksman rifle.
@TheXaelem
@TheXaelem 8 ай бұрын
​@@gustavferreira627you may be confusing r7 with ss77 The r7 was just basically a r4 based on a newer galil model. Not a sniper rifle though, bit definitely not a squad machine gun.
@evilreddog
@evilreddog 5 жыл бұрын
PPAP "i have a FAL, I have a G3, UH! R2"
@Odin62100
@Odin62100 3 жыл бұрын
I was in the SWATF in '82/'83, and we were issued with these. The stock and butt change-over happened in '82 while I was in training at Military School outside Okahandja. During basic training in Walvis Bay it already became clear how fragile the butts were. Several broke off during training in the sand dunes of the Namib. Many of it quite on purpose. What surprised me of the rifle was that despite its flimsy construction, it was remarkably accurate. But stoppages (storings) happened frequently. Some rifles could just never be oiled enough.
@TheMistermin
@TheMistermin 2 жыл бұрын
Oil and sand is a terrible combination. My father lubricated is R1 with a dry lubricant(Graphite powder), to avoid sand and oil mixing into a gunky mess in the trigger group and bolt.
@DewaldPierreNel
@DewaldPierreNel 5 жыл бұрын
Maak my trots om te weet iemand maak videos oor Suid Afrikaanse wapens. Ian is the best!
@DavidBrown-wh1ix
@DavidBrown-wh1ix Жыл бұрын
Lekker om Afrikaans op die platform te sien.
@goncaloproa840
@goncaloproa840 5 жыл бұрын
Hi, Ian! I served in the Portuguese Army and I can tell you the looseness of the portuguese handguards is intentional: our G3s could have a bipod installed between the hanguard and the magazine well, like the one in this picture: www.hkpro.com/forum/attachments/hk-long-gun-talk/34680d1440707996-hk-g3-91-heavy-bipod-g3-6-.jpg As for the rattling, we had a field solution: we used cigarette butts, wedged between the handguard and the receiver, to stop the clacking.
@beakhammer2638
@beakhammer2638 Жыл бұрын
I agree with Frikkie's comments. I can remember the noise these G3 rifles made when being fired. It was completely different from the R1 from the firers point of view. In Angola and other places in Africa there are many ancient rifles still in the hands of local farmers. I saw several and wondered about their history. It would be a great place for gun enthusiasts to collect ancient rifles from.Keep it up. Great Videos. From Ireland.
@wayneandrews3128
@wayneandrews3128 3 жыл бұрын
I was issued the G3 in the South African Air Force during basic training in 1981. I was under the impression that these were weapons we confiscated during our visits to Angola and Mozambique. Would love to know if that's true.
@arctic3032
@arctic3032 5 жыл бұрын
We had the same problem in Norway - we'd just stuff grass between the hand guard and barrel to stop rattling.
@colonthree
@colonthree 5 жыл бұрын
Serriyøst?
@arctic3032
@arctic3032 5 жыл бұрын
'Yeast.
@jonathandalton2921
@jonathandalton2921 5 жыл бұрын
thanks Ian! greeting from durban , south africa.
@nilsherloff-petersen249
@nilsherloff-petersen249 5 жыл бұрын
I remember Cub Scout camps in SWA outside Windhoek in the late 70’s. Brigadier “Radish” Radmore (in the SWATF, founder of their bomb disposal unit), our Scouts “District Commissioner”, organised R2’s for our fathers to stand guard with at night. We had to dig trenches around our tents in case of attacks by SWAPO insurgents. Whistle signal drills were practiced to get us out of our tents and into the trenches. I nearly pee’d my pants prematurely when nature called and I bumped into one of the dads armed with one of these outside our Six tent one night. Good memories!
@martinshamion8002
@martinshamion8002 5 жыл бұрын
I honestly like the G3 rifle, but the furniture isn't the best, look wise. I really like the South African built furniture more
@nutyyyy
@nutyyyy 5 жыл бұрын
I agree the modified furniture has a really pleasing aesthetic
@BigSwede7403
@BigSwede7403 5 жыл бұрын
Fun thing, the Swedish army had a similar safety for the AK 4 (Licensed G3) that was to be used when the weapon would be used in a guard situation. Mostly when a unit would do a tour as Royal Guards, they would swap out their normal safety for a semi-auto one. Not sure if it´s exactly the same, but the effect was similar.
@hansel498
@hansel498 5 жыл бұрын
Hi ian during my service in the sadf i saw both versions of the R2.Pity i never got to shoot them.However ive never seen the R3.
@crazyafrican9955
@crazyafrican9955 4 жыл бұрын
If you ever seen a SAP guy with a R1 that was a R3
@KRiSK9000
@KRiSK9000 5 жыл бұрын
My dad served in the army (tropa) with one of these!
@ietermagog
@ietermagog Жыл бұрын
The Boer Kommandos were formed before WW1 and fought against the British using Guerrilla tactics to great effect. So much so, Winston Churchill copied them to create the SAS Commandos in WW2. So technically, the Boer Kommandos were the inspiration for Special Forces. I know one group were roughly 200 men on horseback assaulting British bunkers, raiding supply depos deep behind enemy lines, and using hit and run tactics among things.
@nejinaji
@nejinaji 5 жыл бұрын
that front end is way cooler with the thicker handguard
@cesargonzalez4146
@cesargonzalez4146 5 жыл бұрын
Always willing to know more about south african weapons eccentricities.
@blueband8114
@blueband8114 5 жыл бұрын
Are you going to be visiting any Anglo Boer war battle sites?
@gertkriel6080
@gertkriel6080 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!! One of the best video channels on YT! Thank you for focussing on the “good” of SA too! God bless you!
@martinprinsloo5393
@martinprinsloo5393 5 жыл бұрын
I was in the SWATF by the end of the border war. Our Battalion used R4s. But we did hide a few shipping containers full of the G3s, (I can't remember that we called them R2s) incase we had to go back to South-West Africa in a hurry.
@777Castle
@777Castle Жыл бұрын
I did my national service for 2 years (1980/81) in the Airforce and we were issued with these G3 rifles. Called them an R2. The front guards did rattle a bit, but this made for a nice sound on parade when carrying out “shoulder arms” (skouer geweer! in the Afrikaans drill instructions as English was never used). We heard that they had been captured in large quantities in Angola.
@highlandoutsider8148
@highlandoutsider8148 5 жыл бұрын
When I see South African in the title I get excited lol
@flavio_spqr
@flavio_spqr 5 жыл бұрын
The handguards still rattle to this day. Portuguese Army basic training "on the fly" fix: stick a cigarette bud in between the body and the handguard, just front of the trunnion. That "South African" handguard is just a G3 wide handguard that equipped later production HK G3'd, with holes in it. Wondering who got the idea from whom...
@judas_physicist
@judas_physicist 5 жыл бұрын
Flavio R I have heard the cigarette bud solution as well.
@flavio_spqr
@flavio_spqr 5 жыл бұрын
@@judas_physicist , I used to carry a few on the canteen pouch, for me, and for the guys and girls that weren't smokers.
@waterbottlephilosopher4124
@waterbottlephilosopher4124 3 жыл бұрын
dawg this is the EXACT model of G3 that they use in Farcry 2, I have fond memories of using this gun in that game.
@DavidBrown-wh1ix
@DavidBrown-wh1ix Жыл бұрын
Whaat! I served in theSANDF from '84 to '86. Never even heard mention of an R2. Thank you for the eye opener.
@madmaxd1
@madmaxd1 Жыл бұрын
UPDATE (from my previous post 2 years ago). As my initial post, I had acquired a set of this furniture for the G3. Unfortunately and funny enough as shown in the video, the rubber butt pads degrade and start falling apart. I spent some time researching a replacement unit and finally found that these butt pads are basically FAL designed. I was able to find some and are a perfect fit... Hope this helps anyone that may be going through the same issue.
@gerhardusstefanusnel7890
@gerhardusstefanusnel7890 5 ай бұрын
Wow. Miss my airforce basics with the G3. R2. The rattle grip notice.
@janduplessis5190
@janduplessis5190 4 ай бұрын
Kommando units here in the old SWA were issued R1 fully automatic rifles. The G3's were captured in thousands in Angola and initially issued to police reservists. Many were given to Unita. Locally they were called "grassnyers" or lawnmowers. Mostly reliable and some also quite accurate., but after the FAL we didn't like them too much.
@steefs6227
@steefs6227 2 жыл бұрын
My uncle was equipped a R3 With extended mag and thus his had a bipod. But my father was Equipped with an R5 as he was conscripted a decade later than my uncle 1987-89. I am in the Israeli military and was originally trained on The CAR-15 / M4 but was initially equipped with the TAR-21 now with the X95.
@GunsNGames1
@GunsNGames1 5 жыл бұрын
This furniture makes it look like the H&K G3A4 from Far Cry 2.
@rouymalic4463
@rouymalic4463 5 жыл бұрын
But it jams most of the time probably I using captured arms
@OneShotNick92
@OneShotNick92 5 жыл бұрын
“Furniture” bruh just saying bruh
@GunsNGames1
@GunsNGames1 5 жыл бұрын
@@rouymalic4463 it jams even buying new ones, you can may reduce the rate of jammings by buying reliability manuals (upgrades), but it won't stop jamming.
@GunsNGames1
@GunsNGames1 5 жыл бұрын
@@OneShotNick92 oh, sorry, i've corrected now, thanks.
@Japanese_moped_guy
@Japanese_moped_guy 5 жыл бұрын
Golden ak op?
@gunmonkey1185
@gunmonkey1185 4 жыл бұрын
I readed about R2 around 88. I was in school back then. Brought back old memories from my youth.
@randywatson8347
@randywatson8347 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks to the gunshop owner.
@woody2066
@woody2066 5 жыл бұрын
I want to see some info about the mexican fx-05 rifle and would love this guy to make a video on it, just gotta love how he explains stuff
@WildAzzRacing
@WildAzzRacing 5 жыл бұрын
Would really love to get my hands on a good set of R2 furniture.
@WildAzzRacing
@WildAzzRacing 5 жыл бұрын
@@BRING_GUNS Thank you. Sounds a little pricier than I'm willing to pay sadly.
@kirkbygate5674
@kirkbygate5674 5 жыл бұрын
I was in SAAF and carried a R2 as our drill rifle. Honestly it was a piece of crap. Dropped mine on my bunk and snapped the butt stock clean off. The only up side was if you slipped the butt pin partially out, you could hook it into your pants pocket, which meant you did not have to carry the full weight when marching. Was glad when we finally were issued R5's.
@ahRdub1
@ahRdub1 5 жыл бұрын
Great video as always. Out of interest, the word commando originates from the Afrikaans word kommando.
@josevarela834
@josevarela834 4 жыл бұрын
No the word commando and kommando originates from the Portugese word commando.
@henrykeyter53
@henrykeyter53 3 жыл бұрын
No the Afrikaans Kommando would rather have originated from the Spanish equivalent. Remember, the eighty years war? Well the Dutch picked the word up there because the word "Kommando" was already in use by the end of the 17th century in South Africa to describe organised bands of "Frijburghers" who came into their local towns to train once a year and who also had to answer the call to arms whenever a magistrate issued it.
@stubones
@stubones 4 жыл бұрын
I never heard of anyone in kommando being issued with R3 rifles. We all got R1s or actual FN FALs like my dad did. It was probably policy in the 80's or something. The British armed forces used to use the semi auto version of the FN FAL. They called it SLR or Self Loading Rifle, then they moved onto the 5.56 SA80.
@Mrgunsngear
@Mrgunsngear 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome
@severianz
@severianz 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks, great video. Just one point where "colored" during the period could have referred to mixed race in general in this case (and in the majority of the use of the term) it refers to the Cape Malay people who are a separate cultural and ethnic group with rich traditions of their own.
@AviViljoen
@AviViljoen 5 жыл бұрын
Nonsense. There were no Malays in the Coloured Corps.
@petercollingwood522
@petercollingwood522 2 жыл бұрын
@@AviViljoen What do you mean by Malays? The term Cape Coloured and Cape Malay's were interchangeable when I was growing up?
@AviViljoen
@AviViljoen 2 жыл бұрын
@@petercollingwood522 They are two entirely different ethnic groups. They are not and have never been interchangeable. Cape Coloureds are composed primarily of persons of mixed race and Khoisan descent. Malays were originally from Malaysia and mostly came to South Africa as slaves.
@ThatWolfFromHyruleGaming
@ThatWolfFromHyruleGaming 3 жыл бұрын
I think this is what's called a "tropical" handguard. This sort of thing would actually be adopted into later production HK rifles and MP5s. All the original variants had slimmer handguards then went to a larger version later. This furniture might be the genesis of that.
@mysteriousman8769
@mysteriousman8769 3 ай бұрын
Makarov and webly on the same wall South Africa arms are colorful no doubt
@girijaa1
@girijaa1 4 жыл бұрын
I once fired an R1 rifle and my hearing was damaged. Very powerful weapon for big men.
@HunterHerbst
@HunterHerbst 5 жыл бұрын
I love how FW has a video for any vintage weapon I search.
@philippowell155
@philippowell155 Ай бұрын
Occasionally the original G3 stocks snapped off as they became brittle. The refitted weapons were great and gave good service despite all of the prejudice and disinformation about them in the services. They were correctly designated R3 and not R2.
@heinejonker4981
@heinejonker4981 2 ай бұрын
The navy Marines were issues with the old G3 then in about modified unit with the new grip . Later they had R 4's
@Fourthmark
@Fourthmark 5 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure the R2 was the Para version of the FAL the R3 was Police issue FAL.
@Fourthmark
@Fourthmark 5 жыл бұрын
@morton christie I thought so. My Dad was airforce and he was issued the G3 on base and R1 when he did riot control.
@denzilvenske6315
@denzilvenske6315 5 жыл бұрын
Nope, Ian is correct. It is well researched and documented in the book "Firearms Developed and Manufactured in SA 1949- 2000" released in 2016. I also have an original copy of the SADF/SAW operating manual for the R2 (the official stamped and dated document). The R2 = G3. If you send me you email address, I'll mail you a scanned copy of said doc. The folding stock FAL was just referred to as the Para-FN or Para-R1. None of the folding stocks were made in SA, they were all Belgium imports.
@Fourthmark
@Fourthmark 5 жыл бұрын
@@denzilvenske6315 Thank you.
@Totaldane
@Totaldane 5 жыл бұрын
A cleaning cloth in the barrel well will eliminate the G3 frontstock rattle.
@magicpsy1761
@magicpsy1761 5 жыл бұрын
we put gras in the handguard for the same effect and for camouflage. but beware of hotshooting the rifle xD
@andythem320guy9
@andythem320guy9 5 жыл бұрын
Its actually quite slick looking.
@user-sb6rr5vg1c
@user-sb6rr5vg1c 5 жыл бұрын
Well...my Dad was in the kommando in 1990 and he was issued a full auto R1, all the other members had them too.
@crazyafrican9955
@crazyafrican9955 4 жыл бұрын
Ye same my dad were Kommando after leaving the Navy post 1994 they got R4 the R3 were more of a SA0 weapon
@crazyafrican9955
@crazyafrican9955 4 жыл бұрын
SAP
@brenyngrubic2853
@brenyngrubic2853 5 жыл бұрын
Gotta love 7.62
@kenhelmers2603
@kenhelmers2603 5 жыл бұрын
Worthwhile upgrades :) Thanks Ian
@eulalioestevez3404
@eulalioestevez3404 2 жыл бұрын
That South African Made "R2" was made on the same month and year that I was born! ¡ HAPPY 55 BUDDY!! 🥳🥳🥳💥🎂
@MonasteryOfSilence
@MonasteryOfSilence 5 жыл бұрын
In Greek army we have g3 with default stock but south african bipod handguards
@shaldonthomas
@shaldonthomas 5 жыл бұрын
South African gun is older but still looks hell of a lot better
@levifontaine8186
@levifontaine8186 5 жыл бұрын
You happened to release this while I'm currently in Africa
@GunsNGames1
@GunsNGames1 5 жыл бұрын
Hunting The Jackal in there?
@levifontaine8186
@levifontaine8186 5 жыл бұрын
@@GunsNGames1 Nah, but I got a nasty attack by about 50 killer bees. Terrible little bastards.
@jerryjohnsonii4181
@jerryjohnsonii4181 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome rifle Ian an thanks for the knowledge about it Sir
@CaptainCiph3r
@CaptainCiph3r 5 жыл бұрын
I love the way that handguard looks.
@jacoklopper4772
@jacoklopper4772 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome finally. I have 2 as a collector. Wondered if you're going to make a video on this
@zonavelhalpma
@zonavelhalpma 5 жыл бұрын
Hey great video , so the solution wen i had mine was to put cigaret buts under the palm guard so its not noisy .
@122ALVARO11
@122ALVARO11 5 жыл бұрын
Beatas esponjas ramos qualquer coisa servia... mas na ordem unida tinha que saltar fora que tinha que se ouvir bater nos guarda maos...
@zonavelhalpma
@zonavelhalpma 5 жыл бұрын
Sim o tivéssemos a mão
@loupiscanis9449
@loupiscanis9449 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you , Ian .
@billmcyrus
@billmcyrus 5 жыл бұрын
Be sure to get a bunch of good biltong!
@somerandomguy5600
@somerandomguy5600 3 жыл бұрын
Rare to see outside South Africa? No joke this is rare to see inside South Africa
@agentmonde1
@agentmonde1 5 жыл бұрын
I'm waiting for a particular South African machine gun😋
@Jarrow13
@Jarrow13 5 жыл бұрын
The R1 Heavy Barrel?
@Jarrow13
@Jarrow13 5 жыл бұрын
@@agentmonde1 Oh yes I think you are talking about the iNkunzi Strike. That's a mean ass 20mm.
@zacht9447
@zacht9447 5 жыл бұрын
I'm sure the reason they used standard wide forend metal parts was to make it easier to produce as you could use stockpiled parts
@destructo6745
@destructo6745 5 жыл бұрын
I had one of those stock sets in the late 1990s. Iirc, it had a slightly fuzzy texture and although the hand guard looks like a vented wide G3/HK-91 copy, the bipod slots weren't right for a factory HK light bipod.
@marcodelguerra
@marcodelguerra 5 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video on the south african SS 77 machine gun?
@wolfgollnitz899
@wolfgollnitz899 3 жыл бұрын
Now that would be cool!
@Simphiwebillas
@Simphiwebillas 3 жыл бұрын
Watching all the way from South Africa.
@Raddz5000
@Raddz5000 5 жыл бұрын
That handguard is so cool looking.
South African Galils: The R4, R5, R6, and LM Series
32:56
Forgotten Weapons
Рет қаралды 2 МЛН
SS77: South Africa Builds a GPMG on the Shoulders of Giants
17:35
Forgotten Weapons
Рет қаралды 297 М.
天使救了路飞!#天使#小丑#路飞#家庭
00:35
家庭搞笑日记
Рет қаралды 72 МЛН
Gli occhiali da sole non mi hanno coperto! 😎
00:13
Senza Limiti
Рет қаралды 9 МЛН
Son ❤️ #shorts by Leisi Show
00:41
Leisi Show
Рет қаралды 10 МЛН
Ouch.. 🤕
00:30
Celine & Michiel
Рет қаралды 41 МЛН
South African Kommando: The "Rhuzi"
13:45
Forgotten Weapons
Рет қаралды 467 М.
Vektor Mini-SS: South Africa's Answer to the FN Minimi
16:38
Forgotten Weapons
Рет қаралды 167 М.
How did Ukraine Invasion of Russia Happened?
10:41
AiTelly
Рет қаралды 1 МЛН
The SVD - Dragunov Sniper Rifle
16:58
Brandon Herrera
Рет қаралды 2,3 МЛН
Rhodesian Cobra SMG/Carbine
14:54
Forgotten Weapons
Рет қаралды 396 М.
Firearms Expert Reacts To DayZ’s Guns PART 2
20:08
GameSpot
Рет қаралды 238 М.
Forget everything you think you know about the Martini-Henry Rifle
23:16
Redcoat History
Рет қаралды 631 М.
Why Bullpup's Don't Suck
17:20
Military Arms Channel
Рет қаралды 127 М.
What Actually IS a “Recoilless” Rifle?
11:52
Red Wrench Films
Рет қаралды 378 М.
天使救了路飞!#天使#小丑#路飞#家庭
00:35
家庭搞笑日记
Рет қаралды 72 МЛН