I like the larger minis. Space marines are supposed to be giant, even out of their armor. However they are the size of guardsmen. The new death watch and space marine hero marines are slightly bigger and work well. Primaris look great but lack the diversity of all prior marine kits (mixing/matching tersos, legs, etc). Moving in the right direction though!

the captain you showed is from the assault on black reach

They're getting better compared to the other minis. It's silly, that on tabletop an old marine figure is almost the same height as a guardsman.

Larger for me means easier to paint.

Hey there! The captain from the "Dark Vengeance"(?) set was really beautifully painted! Nice job- and thanks for making me laugh, throughout. I love that you're keeping your first marine unaltered- and it's really cool to see the love you have for 40K staying strong through the years- keep it up!

old terminator looks cute

Guilliman: People of the imperium I intriduce you the totally superior and totally new primaris marines the galaxy has never seen before and who will wipe out chaos once and for all Deathwatch captain: Yea sure

Oh yeah your captain is just "alright painted" yeah? THATS BETTER THAN ANYTHING IVE EVER DONE XD

I remember when terminators had a 3+ save, but you used 2d6, yeah I remember 2nd Edition

Speaking of large that thunderhawk is an absolute U N I T.

Sometimes I wish I had a paradox free backwards travelling time machine and make sure space marines were proper scaled from day one. I still don't like the idea of primaris marines

Are they getting bigger or is the world zooming in more

This channel just keeps getting better and better the more I watch it.

Interesting vid. The original plastic marines ( the Beaky Marines ) were smaller than the first one you showed ( not by much though ). It's the same with the Orks. Although the original metal Orks are TINY compared even to the first plastic ones. Oh, and I have a feeling that the new Primaris Captain you showed might be as tall as one of the original SM Dreads, lol.

looking forward to seeing the new dreadnought comparison. it looks fucking massive, even compared to the primaris marines.

The 2.nd marine is the one I grew up with. Wonky assembly but I loved the possibilities you had with all the separate parts.

so we can finally have truescale marines with less hassle?

I just got a unopened 5 man combat squad from 2001. Absolutely loved building and painting them! Blast from the past!

Anyone know if we are likely to get bigger Nobz?

Ive been building terminators as ive just got back, they looked too small to me so ive been bulking them up and out a bit with some extra plastic in their torso and greenstuff round their waists - I think the standard termies are due a resculpt as if you compare them to the chaos ones they are larger

The original plastic set of space marine figures from 1987 are quite small compared to the current tactical marines and mere midgets compared to the Primaris marines, the figures have been getting bigger for a while.

Dude, the Primarus marines are supposed to be bigger than the rest. So it's all much more in-scale now. Cool video though.

I recently bought 102 death guard, the detail on them are amazing 😉, I also have ultramarines, genestealers and tyranids, the tyranid tervigon is pretty cool indeed

Primaris is the future standard marine model! I've suspected it all along, because it makes sense fluff-wise. I think GW wants to increase the in-game gap between SM and normal humans (IG infantry).

sorry so late to the party, yes they came MUCH smaller but still a fantastic guide of the 'older' models, cheers!

Great comparison video, loving the size creep. I was looking at little Mephiston the other day, he's so small now in comparison to the new minis.

Middle aged man here who decided to go back to 40K recently with 9th edition. The size difference is insane. Good business thinking though as it means those of us with armies full of the 'old stuff' will eventually have to replace them. They just do not look right on the tabletop with such differnt sizes; itis not just height but girth. It's a whole scale thing.

You have to consider the position of the legs

About 10 years ago I rebased my vintage Termies by just putting their 32mm base on top of the new larger base. Little bit of paint and sand and they are equal height to the Dark Vengence and Space Hulk termies.

hey, where is the beakie rogue trader?

Year 2030: The Space Marines are now as big as a fucking Dreadnought.

That captain from Dark Vengeance if that's what it was, is absolutely stunning!! s good as any new model and a beautiful paint job!

GW will kill off the old marine models and rules for 9th edition.

Bigger sure. But what is it good for? I would rather see more poseability & multipose kits with weapon shoulder and head options.

I think the space marines were always way too short anyways, some of the old ones were shorter than some Imperial Guard minis, so I think the newer ones are great, but if you have an older army they will stand out and not match.

I had a feeling like that, but this really put it on display. Thanks for the video! Aside from that I got to say -lore aside*- I adore the Primaris marine models, the detail and more accurate size (compared to a guardsman) is just fantastic. *That being said, honestly 40K has always been a mixture of bad ideas over time made to look good and the relics of 40.000 stolen IP's from other Sci-fi at the time, oh that and WF stuff that was in turn greatly taken from the Fantasy being read around the time. I think getting to stuck up on the way the lore progressed is kind of silly. Cheers!

I haven't bought 40k minis in over a decade, and almost all the marines I have are the like the second ones you displayed, and I even have a couple of the first that came in a set with paints.

i like the new ones

Just so you know the Watch Commander IS wearing modified Custodian gear. It's normal for deathwatch to take and modify not just gear from other imperial factions but xenos factions too.

FYI, the "alright painted captain" is from the Black Reach box (5th edition), whereas the Dark Vengeance Box features Dark Angels Space Marines.

Very cool to see, nice vid mate

In going to say one thing: we all have a golden miniature in our collection! :D

I still have mine from the 80s -- talk about a size difference! lol My local shop said it was cool to use them but I just needed to use them on a modern, larger base. :)

WH is getting cooler with every edition, cant convince me otherwise.

8:10 Oh wow is that a Primaris Lieutenant!? I've never seen one of those before, must be such a rare unit.

You should look at the old dreadnughts that had twin bolters compared to the new ones they was tuned and well less amorured

The watch captain is standing completely straight whereas the primaris is running, so if the primaris was stood straight, they would be taller. However, the watch captain is definitely very tall for a firstborn space marine.

You should have a Rogue Trader era beaky marine in this comparison video.

Primaris and Custodes look really cool together. Yeah Custodes are supposed to be bigger, but not *that* big compared to the classic marine. Either way both marine and custodes need to be much bigger than a human and they achieved that.

I think GW should put out a set of single pose marines that are in between the old/shorter type & the primaris/newer so armies can have a good mixture & the lore of SMs being different heights ( I remember a story where a SM captain thinks to himself that the SM he is looking @ is the tallest SM hes seen ) can be reflected. As it is players who have been around a while ( like myself ) wont have the smallest figures if we arent able to go out & buy multiple boxes of primaris marines ( though this is exactly what GW wants us to do ) . It is bad enough that GW is constantly putting out new rules average every 4 yrs which also means new codexs ( so every 4 yrs we all have to shell out approximately 75$ ). Personaly I think the 3rd ed rulebook had the right idea of including a mini codex for all the armies ( w/a couple of excetions ) & rules shouldnt be changed unless there is a major problem w/them as a few mo.ago I got the Dark Venngeance box set only to realize that the rules were no longer being used ( this is a prob especially when about 10yrs ago I had an employee @ a GW store pushing me to buy a codex when I bought a small starter force or chaos SMs only 2 have a new codex come out 2wks later, which he DID know was comming out). GW has ceased to be a Co. that was "Run By Gamers FOR Gamers" & turned into the worst type of money grubbing corporate assholes & its getting harder & harder to enjoy the game I got into in the late 80's. It's no wonder I scratch build all my vehicles & cast my own minis but thats out of neccessity, but finding out the new rules allow IG to fire lasguns @ a Leman Russ & actually damage it ( as they got rid of armor values ) just makes the game completley unrealistic. Anyone interested in working with me on creating a parody ruleset ( remember parody is LEGALY PROTECTED ) called HammerJammer 39,876 AD comment below. TY all for taking the time to read my little rant.

Ah the assault on black reach set. God how I hated the poses on these marines. Luckily I have enough parts now to strip them down and bring them up to today's standard. The dreadnought ended up a lot beefier using the spare parts from a proper dreadnought, he actually looks cool now. So to those who have these sets, don't dump them, try to convert them into some cool minis.

I'm pretty sure that Marines were meant to be 6 ft 6 to 8 foot tall with about another 6" for armour and Primarchs around 10ft tall. so at 5mm to the foot that gives 32.5 - 42.5 for an armoured Marine.

I think that when used in game , size isn't that important. The figurines are like chess pieces , it's what they represent that counts. Outside of the game, when simply used as figurines and nothing else, size matters. IMO the new Primaris are great looking models and the size makes for more detail and a more enjoyable painting experience. The resulting model is also more visually imposing , making for a more rewarding result.

I think the watch Capt. is shorter than the Primaris. Its very close, but the Primaris is crouching.

All of my space marines have Warriors of Chaos legs with the chainmail and the leather boots. THose legs make them taller so the new primaris marines just about match anyway. I'm glad I did that now haha

They could have explained this away buy saying the new models are primaris marines but the old models are regular marines. But they have chosen not to do that.

terminators used to have 3+ save on 2d6 lascannons had a -6 save modifier. rolling 9+ on 2d6 wasn't to hard .. i'm just saying..

Yeah an update is due!!

interesting, i through they all looked bigger nowadays. I prefer the older smaller size still

Nice video Sup3rSaiy3n, I do wonder if gw will ever transition completly over to primaris 'true scale' marines. Probably not in the near future but say 20-30 years from now. Btw, I think the captain fourth on the left is from the 'assault on Black reach' starter set.

love your channel i got in on 6th love and i mean love listening to the old hammerhead guys

RTB-01 the original space marines made from injected plastic are super tiny. all of them have a hunched stance as well that makes them a bit smaller in scale as well. Primaris are almost dreadnaught size compared to them

I compare my minimarines to deathwatch marines , then with death guard marines , yeah they are making the gap between the normal Astartes and Primaris smaller , because one of the death guard literally is nearly the same height as a primaris , and deathwatch is also taller and closer to primaris marines IDK man my minimarines are gonna feel like dwarfs after this :( I guess im just gonna make them normal humans in power armour

It's like the primary has brought their children to work. The children being the old models.

The original space marine where even smaller they also have a long dog face like head gear

Great video👍 would watch again

For a while i thought about getting some primaris to convert them into true scale chaos space marines but since i already have a lot of older space marine models i decided to just 3d print some longer legs and torsos for some of my models or use green stuff for others.

Just scale creep. I think they made the new bigger marines but they still had lots of old stock, and all those new kits like deathwatch, blood angels, that were still popular. So they didn't want to hurt sales by releasing 'truescale'. ....i even think they did that little leak online to guage reaction. Then decided that they should make them Primaris so they could keep the old stock around for a while.

Thank you a lot for this comparison brother, it is very very usefull. I think we will have to wait for FW to release the Cataphracti Custodes to compare them to the Gravis Primaris Captain which is kind of a Terminator Primaris for intents and purposes. Just a quick question brother, do you know if FW products have a different height than the GW ones? I was thinking of comparing FW's MkIV or MkV kits vs other GW products like the Death Company Chaplain, Custodes and Sanguinary Priest.

The problem is that nobody ever settled on a scale. I used to figure at about 1/48 for Guardsmen. That was way back in the mists of time and even then that was only working off height, not proportion , and very , very rough.I also figured 1/48 for the vehicles but, with Land Raider and Rhino being what they were, that was as much a fancy on my part as anything else. Accessories from 1/35 armored vehicles worked well after all,.. Now ? god knows.. certainly looks like some mission creep going on , LOL Does it matter though ?

Thanks got they made Space Marines bigger than Imperial guards, because old Space Marines where even smaller than normal humans, it was about time they made more realistic scale marines.

Primaris jumppack guys are taller than normal primaris marines. Also you're referring to assault on black reach and not dark vengeance

Super Comparison Vid mate, Do you know off hand if the new larger Terminators fit on the 32mm base ? I'm a Rogue Trader era Space Hulk player and this is a bit of a nightmare TBH. Thanks

I have marneous calgar in both arti armour and term armour and JEEEEEEEEEEz the size difference is huge. but as I remember the Primaris marines are only supposed to be reinforcement to chapters with a few exceptions to a few primaris chapters

Space Marines are like Orks, they get bigger over time until they become the boss.

I have both old and new termies too. Good models they are.

Why didn't they just do a straight swap/upgrade and avoid the weird lore problems altogether? They would have sold more models to people replacing their SM armies for true scale (as pissed as they might be about it)

Thanks for this! I’m brainstorming some kitbash designs - specifically the Deathwatch Killteam arms/weapons on Primaris bodies (probably with some minor resculpting). Do you think it’d work, or are they too different in scale?

Oh oh! Do forgeworld primarch size comparisons!

Wait...doesn't it give you a tactical advantage in the game to play older marines then because their bases are smaller?

nice comparison

Since if regular space marines were to scale they'd be the size of the primaris models and the primaris boys ought to be a full head or more taller.

What did you use for the Custodies cloak? I was thinking of doing them but I saw no cape and I did a nope right out of there and when crawling back to my Mechanicum and hoped they would take me back.

Damn! that old termi look like junior compared to current terminator. Guess 1 day maybe in next 30 years or something we got space marines size of Knight, while some warlord or Imperator titan being size of...book shelf

Im happy with that.

Honestly: The new Primaris marines ARE true scale, if they stop right now. Ofcourse, the size of the other armies need to stay as they where when I played (2003) for this to stay true. Honestly, I am thinking of returning to 40k painting only to create a army of only (modded) gravis armor space marines. That armor looks so cool... if you take away the unnecessary accessories (like the shoulderpads).

That watch-captain looks like justicar alaric of the grey knights chapter

So the models do not just get more expensive. Sounds fair to me.

Well characters like sanguinary priests and chaplains have special armour that might be bigger than normal armour

Damn shame they went with the armour they did, I prefer the older models to the new primaris marines

So how did the new primaris space marines get upskilled and more experienced than the other space marines some of which have been in constant battle for centuries >

I know they can be tainted and bloated by chaos but ahriman is huge and makes even his iwn rubricae look tiny and is bigver than terminators yet is in power armour

Sup3er_sayian you are da best wish I could meet you in real life but I got a question can chaos space marines and normal space marines be on the same team?

Do you think they will only produce Space Marines in the new scale? ie eventually everything on shelves today will be replaced soon?

The issue with comparing anything from games workshop is that they use a sliding scale....so basically I doubt they even know the proper scale everything should be

The models are getting bigger, but cost goes up. You get less for more these days. We're now paying £100 for some models. That's £40 more than some AAA games, which are infinitely harder to make. The model's are getting bigger, but the games getting worse. Remember the times when you could purchase multiple pieces of war gear for your commander? Remember the time, when Terminators used to save on 2D6, and AP wasn't even a thing? Remember when a War Walker used to cost £12, instead of £22.50? Remember when the Psychic phase used to be interesting?

With the price they're now charging I think it's right they're getting bigger

Assault on black reach for the captain there

The watch master has straight legs and the primaris has bent legs. That's why he's taller

And then we have Death Guard.