SpaceX Mars Colonization!! Can we REALLY Build Habitats on Mars Exploration Zones?? -In details

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SpaceX Mars Colonization!! Can we REALLY Build Habitats on Mars Exploration Zones?? -In details
Hello friends,
Welcome back to another episode by Engineering Today and hope you’re all having a great time. As Starship prepares for IFT 2, we have taken the opportunity to explore the future and delve into the pivotal role this world's most powerful rocket will play in the advancement of humanity's space endeavors like Mars colonization. And now, we have an exciting and exclusive update to share with you.
We know that SpaceX envisions a future where human colonization on Mars becomes a reality. Elon Musk has set his sights on Mars colonization, and he's not afraid to dream big. While Musk's artist illustrations of "Mars Base Alpha" depict a complex network of buildings and infrastructure, SpaceX's initial plans for the Red Planet are more focused and practical.
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@MARS4-me
@MARS4-me Жыл бұрын
The challenges of building habitats on Mars are immense, but the potential rewards are even greater. We've actually added colonists to our game, so you can get a taste of what living on Mars might be like. Pretty cool, right?
@samr.england613
@samr.england613 10 ай бұрын
What are the potential rewards? And how are they going to be, "great"? What if there's subsurface, extant life on Mars? Is it going to be "great", when humans contaminate that life? Robots and rovers can be sterilized, people cannot be.
@samr.england613
@samr.england613 2 ай бұрын
We can build habitats on Mars. But are they going to thrive and flourish? Doubt it.
@Mr11ESSE111
@Mr11ESSE111 16 күн бұрын
stop dreaming !!Nasa are too stupid to back and visit moon after 55 years and you drwam about bases on mars
@RussW_Comments
@RussW_Comments Жыл бұрын
Recommend adding an option that repurposes Starships (including oxygen and methane tanks) as a building. This maximizes mass transfer to Mars, with the engines being the main mass waste. (Of course, they could be detached for reuse and stockpiled.) This would provide a 9mX50m building ... a lot of space.
@catprog
@catprog Жыл бұрын
It does mean the balance of transport is tilted instead of balance.
@zvorenergy
@zvorenergy Жыл бұрын
True, but you still want to bury your structures because you're simply in an extra-hostile environment
@RussW_Comments
@RussW_Comments Жыл бұрын
@@zvorenergy Yep, thanks for adding that information.
@samr.england613
@samr.england613 10 ай бұрын
"Starships"? You mean reusable, liquid-fueled chemical rockets? By the time we actually have a few manned scientific research bases on Mars, Musk's "Starships" will be obsolete for getting us from Earth orbit to Mars orbit. Chemical rockets will probably still be used to get us into LEO, but from there the propulsion will be nuclear.
@gravityawsome
@gravityawsome Жыл бұрын
A future so bright you can barely see it.
@calvingreene90
@calvingreene90 Жыл бұрын
You gotta wear shades.
@RussW_Comments
@RussW_Comments Жыл бұрын
Seems prudent that we should land a Starship on Mars whose cargo is enough fuel to fuel another crewed Starship to get that Starship back to orbit where it can refuel and get back to Earth or to orbiting "MarsStation" in orbit.
@samr.england613
@samr.england613 10 ай бұрын
Sounds incredibly inefficient. And guess what? It IS incredibly inefficient! See, this is the problem with liquid-fueled chemical rockets. Upwards of 95% of the total payload of a conventional rocket has to be FUEL! Increase the size and payload of the rocket, and you have to carry even MORE fuel! Because fuel is weight, you have to carry even more fuel! I don't mean to be condescending, but do you understand this fact of chemistry and physics? We're NOT going to successfully "colonize", or even establish manned Mars research bases, using conventional chemical rockets.
@inkbl0t3tatface43
@inkbl0t3tatface43 10 ай бұрын
​@@samr.england613well technically (if u think about it) you dont NEED fuel to go forward the whole time. You are from earth, where momentum is key for thinhs going forward. If u ONLY use fuel to move/go into the direction u need to go, youre fine. Taking off and landing are most important, blast off full sail into the right direction in space, and throw it in neutral, coast most the journey there.
@samr.england613
@samr.england613 10 ай бұрын
@@inkbl0t3tatface43 Right, Ink. But see, it takes upwards of 90%, or even 95%, of the fuel of a conventional rocket, to escape Earth's gravity. Yes, from there on out, one can "coast" all the way to Mars. And with 5% remaining fuel, what then? Not enough fuel to slow down, and no fuel left to land safely.
@JosueC730
@JosueC730 Жыл бұрын
If we can make a satellite constellation such as Starlink, doing the same on Mars could be possible but also equipping the satellites with an electromagnetic shield projector thus the sum of all the satellites would make for a planetary shield to protect it from radiation so we could eventually terraform Mars. Maybe the idea is too advanced for now, but maybe in the future it will be possible.
@turbinex_generators
@turbinex_generators 11 ай бұрын
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@samr.england613
@samr.england613 10 ай бұрын
What would be the power source for this, "electromagnetic shield projector"? Solar power, maybe? We cannot terraform Mars with existing Mars resources. We would have to first add not only mass to the planet (while Mars is 1/3 the SIZE of the Earth, it is only ONE/TENTH Earth's mass), we'd also have to add a whole lot more C02, as well as oxygen and nitrogen to the barren planet, among other things.
@JosueC730
@JosueC730 10 ай бұрын
@@samr.england613 I think such a megaconstellation could be hybrid powered (solar + batteries + nuclear) similar to the Voyager probes or the Curiosity Mars Rovef which had a nuclear energy cell to power them. Now about having enough materials to build an atmosphere, I think it could be possible to use several Starships to drag and drop enough asteroids from the nearby asteroid belt, instead of dropping nukes on Mars, asteroids would also bring some water in the form of ice. Once that gets done, the sat constellation would prevent such a hard work from being done in vain. Also, about gravity, humankind should definitely do much more than just colonize Mars. Orbital O'Neil Cylinder colonies with artificial gravity must be built as well, that's the only way to get earth like gravity. Those must be built already in orbit from asteroid mining. It's as hard as terraforming Mars, but it's just as important if we want to achieve being multiplanetary beyond our solar system.
@antonnym214
@antonnym214 Жыл бұрын
Noctis Labyrinthus is ideal because it's in the extreme western end of Valles Marineris and near the equator with a giant relict glacier (dust-covered) which is recipe-ready for extracting water. The Valles is 7km/4mi. deep there, so the air pressure is as good as you'll get outside of the Hellas basin (8km/5mi deep). Not only do the valley walls provide good radiation protection, but you get the thicker air and the warmer equatorial climate, too. (At this pressure, water can exist in a liquid state from 0° to 10°C or 32 to 50°F.) Additionally, the relative proximity of the Tharsis region with all it's skylights and lava tubes which are also good candidates for habitation. Very nice reporting! All good wishes.
@samr.england613
@samr.england613 10 ай бұрын
We still don't know how to even extract whatever subsurface water there is on Mars, much less detoxify it, purify it and filter it so that it becomes suitable for human consumption and viable plant cultivation. We will probably figure all this out in the future, but for now it's utter science fiction, much like greenhouses on Mars or the transparent geodesic domes that many people envision.
@jameswest4819
@jameswest4819 Ай бұрын
I am confident that Mars will have a water layer, deep underground, like has recently been discovered on Earth.
@johnstewart579
@johnstewart579 Жыл бұрын
There are many volunteers willing to make a one way trip to Mars. Crews returning to Earth requires significant technology
@samr.england613
@samr.england613 10 ай бұрын
There are many idiots willing to make a one way trip to Mars. Okay, maybe they're not all idiots, but they are seriously misguided. Once the novelty of actually walking around on an alien planet wears off, most people would want to come back to warm, wet, normal atmos pressure and gravity, oxygenated Mother Earth after just a few days, or even hours, on hostile, barren, deadly, Mars.
@PlanXV
@PlanXV 8 ай бұрын
Can make a tent from a parachute 😮 with fire 🔥 and wood floors 😊
@tonyhaslam186
@tonyhaslam186 Жыл бұрын
Nice reporting.
@kevinsamphere7874
@kevinsamphere7874 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting.
@johncollier1405
@johncollier1405 11 ай бұрын
This is amazing i cannot believe ive lived long enough to see colonization of mars,i knew it would happen again....
@samr.england613
@samr.england613 10 ай бұрын
You won't live to see it, nor will I.
@maark8496
@maark8496 Жыл бұрын
Some of the news on this channel can Occasionally B 3RD OR 12TH Hand.. But i still Watch anyway. . this Narrator ..i don't mind at all. BUT Everytime i hear his voice..it invokes the Memory of the: Seinfeld EP: (The Rabbi with loose lips) oh Elaine..
@NicholasNerios
@NicholasNerios 14 күн бұрын
Sierra space bought out Bigelow when he went bankrupt. And the latest test shows it'll hold an internal pressure of 73psi more then double NASA requirements. It'll be easy to simulate the Earth's14.5 psi atmosphere on Mars in inflatable habitats.
@MrFoxRobert
@MrFoxRobert Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@ENGINEERINGTODAY1
@ENGINEERINGTODAY1 Жыл бұрын
You're welcome!
@hotrodandrube9119
@hotrodandrube9119 Жыл бұрын
The boring company's tunneling rigs will fit within the starship, and tunneling on Mars will provide the compressed lego building bricks showcased years ago.
@IvanPlayStation4LiFe
@IvanPlayStation4LiFe 10 ай бұрын
Hows the segment going to work in Mars
@stephensfarms7165
@stephensfarms7165 Жыл бұрын
Thanks great video 👍👍
@samr.england613
@samr.england613 10 ай бұрын
Is it a great video? What do you know about Mars? Please read all of my comments above.
@stephensfarms7165
@stephensfarms7165 10 ай бұрын
@@samr.england613 Sorry, I just enjoyed the information on what SpaceX is doing. I am a big fan of SpaceX. That’s all.
@stephensfarms7165
@stephensfarms7165 10 ай бұрын
@@samr.england613 🥵🥵🥵🥵
@samr.england613
@samr.england613 10 ай бұрын
@@stephensfarms7165 Okay. I too am impressed with much of what SpaceX is doing, especially with getting US astronauts into LEO without the dang Russians' help! I just don't believe in Musk's "Mars colony" bs. And I know for a fact that it is bs.
@viarnay
@viarnay 8 ай бұрын
Everything works fine in CGI...
@qweezinator6420
@qweezinator6420 6 ай бұрын
If we want to thrive on mars we need to sadly pollute it, we need to make ships that are powered by nuclear so by the time we land we'll have a strong power source on the planet including if something goes wrong. By the time we start mining the ice caps we can start using hydrogen to heat and power as we start expanding. We also need to combine video game consoles with hyper simulated computing to run simulations and to keep the martians sane
@ChaJ67
@ChaJ67 Жыл бұрын
There are many places you can try to stick an inflatable habitat, but I don't think they will really shine at all tasks. I think one thing missed here is the ability to have inflatable hangers / workshops for building bigger things in space. While you take time to address radiation shielding, I think the place these will really shine is in LEO where the Earth provides some protection already. If you really want good radiation shielding, you start to lose the advantages of inflatable habitats. Here is the thing. You look at Starship and really its big thing is going to be getting into LEO effectively. We use chemical propulsion to get into space from Earth because it is the only thing that we have succeeded at doing the job so far to date. I am not saying it will be the only thing ever, but Starship is a major overhaul of chemical propulsion likely leading to the penultimate state of rocketry into LEO. However, space extends far beyond LEO. It turns out we have other ways to get beyond LEO than chemical rockets and many of those ways are a lot better than chemical rockets. So while some my say, stick Starship everywhere because it can get into space, well the natural order of things is to try, fail, and scale back on this tech as other technologies prove to be better suited for the task. I think the thing a lot of people don't understand is just how hard of a problem it is to go into space and then move around space, especially if say you want to move people around quickly and especially if you want to be able to return to Earth. You try this with chemical and either you don't make it because you can't figure out a way to get the acceleration you need to do the job or you make it a one way trip in very cramped corridors because it took an insane amount of propellant and rocket engines and multiple stages / piles of expensive rocket launches to do it at all for that cramped, no frills one way trip. What it would actually take to make it back to Earth is just out of reach when it was so insanely inefficient and so close to the edge of not being doable at all to go just one way. At this over 50 years after reaching the Moon in a cramped 2 person capsule after blasting off in a 33 ft wide giant flying skyscraper of a rocket, we are still a ways away from attempting to land people on Mars due in large part to the problems of trying to do it with chemical propulsion. So no, I don't see Starship as the answer to going to Mars even with orbital refueling. I see more advanced space based propulsion, which we have many options to choose from, as the answer. So moving more back to what you will use on Mars, at best maybe the inflatable habitat is an airtight "inner tube" that can be made and tested on Earth and then an "outer tire" will be built on Mars around it to protect you as you touch on. It doesn't really make sense to try to build a lot of protection into an inflatable habitat as at the very least this is a lot of mass to haul around. The big thing an inflatable habitat is going to shine at is providing a lot of space that is airtight without consuming a lot of space and mass inside of a rocket. I see this more of a stepping stone as you are going to start with basically nothing on Mars beyond what flies on those initial rockets and definitely not the tools nor human expertise to be building airtight structures on Mars. Everything that cannot be autonomously constructed by the initial robots sent to Mars is going to have to be built and tested on Earth and validated for human use before being shipped to Mars. Otherwise all you got is the near vacuum of the surface of Mars to work with, which is instant death. If you can get a sizable human presence on Mars to the point where you can gather the resources in-situ and build airtight structures, I think the big thing are going to be cylindrical towers, especially wide ones that somewhat minimize surface area. Here is the thing with this. How many people live underground, at least outside of the war zone of Ukraine? Nobody. That is terrible for human mental health. Even the first American astronauts vetoed the first space capsules and refused to ride them until the engineers went back to the drawing board and designed windows into the capsules. I think the same is going to hold for telling people to live underground on Mars because "it is safer". No, people are not going to do that. So, as you start building bigger structures on Mars, the natural thing to do, especially with 1/3rd of Earth's gravity, is to do something we do a lot here on Earth, build up into skyscrapers. The thing with skyscrapers on Earth is everyone wants a nice view and you can get spectacular views from a skyscraper. However, on Earth you are not worried about pressurization and the towers are not designed for self sustaining human life. Instead everything flows in and out of the skyscraper in terms of supporting human life and the skyscrapers are thin so everyone can have a view. On Mars, that pressurized cylinder is going to have thick shielding around it, it is going to have all of this support stuff in there, including things like vertical warehouse farms that run on a bunch of grow lights as that is far more effective than say having a glass dome that is heavily shielded on top and thus little light makes it through the thick shielding, and it is going to have other life support systems in it that don't actually need any windows. So then you have people living and working more along the outer shell of the cylinder with windows looking out to the Martian landscape and then this big interior space with everything you need to sustain life inside of that structure. In other words, basically a fat cylinder. This is what I come up with for the preferred way to live on Mars. Granted, maybe you stick a glass dome on top and put a park there so people can "got outside and sunbath" or "play at the park" or what have you, but that would be the real use of a glass dome, mental health and quality of life, not "I am trying to grow food here" because the latter is just much better done indoors with grow lights.
@turbinex_generators
@turbinex_generators 11 ай бұрын
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@maiskk6326
@maiskk6326 11 ай бұрын
Achieve this in Antarctica then, try it on the Moon and then we can talk ...
@samr.england613
@samr.england613 10 ай бұрын
Absolutely! They talk about greenhouses on Mars's surface! Yeah, right! To date, we don't have any transparent substance, whether glass or plastic or a combination of both, that can block deadly solar and galactic cosmic rays, and still allow in the "good" radiation from the Sun. IOWs, to my knowledge, greenhouses haven't even been tried in Antarctica yet, probably because they don't work there either! And if they don't work there, they sure as hell ain't gonna work on effing Mars!
@jackhemphill7257
@jackhemphill7257 8 ай бұрын
We should first build some test habitats out near death valley, and have people live in them, grow food, recycle, and see how that works out after a year or two..
@deanmason5827
@deanmason5827 7 ай бұрын
That was tried, bio dome, it was a complete failure, the crew did not even last their first cycle trying.
@kimbalcalkins6903
@kimbalcalkins6903 6 ай бұрын
the crew broke into groups which refuse to even speak to each other, even to this day!@@deanmason5827
@duncanbedford4765
@duncanbedford4765 8 ай бұрын
Gosh,if Mars had Air,fertile soil,adequate sunlight,and wasn't blasted by radiation, dust storms and a climate that wasn't minus 100 degrees.. I still wouldn't go there!!😂😂😂
@timmccrory7630
@timmccrory7630 7 ай бұрын
Lolo😂😂😂
@doltsbane
@doltsbane Жыл бұрын
Vilos Cohaagen could not be reached for comment.
@SKing-nx4sn
@SKing-nx4sn 8 ай бұрын
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@NicholasNerios
@NicholasNerios 10 ай бұрын
Balloon habitats under ground, in a volcanic tunnel, or under a regolith lavacrete canopy is the best way to start off on Mars, the moon, or any celestial body unlike earth.
@samr.england613
@samr.england613 10 ай бұрын
Mmm mmm! What a great life that will be! Forever imprisoned in my underground pressurized habitat, surviving on algae salad and Green Slime Pie! Yay!
@NicholasNerios
@NicholasNerios 10 ай бұрын
@samr.england613 well the way I see it: climate change, co2 emissions, greenhouse gasses, earth's rising temp, sun's rising temp, stellar disasters, natural earth disasters, nuclear war. In 1000 years Earth won't be habitable either unless we live in Mars habitats on earth.
@larky368
@larky368 2 ай бұрын
Cave men in spaaaaaace! ooga booga!
@jameswilson5165
@jameswilson5165 Жыл бұрын
Building Shells would be much easier, if needed at all inside the lava tubes.
@samr.england613
@samr.england613 10 ай бұрын
Would you want to live 99% of the rest of your life in a "shell" underground on Mars?
@michaelwirth1402
@michaelwirth1402 Жыл бұрын
So how solve the recycle problem,hmmm
@turbinex_generators
@turbinex_generators 11 ай бұрын
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@user-ld3dn7qe3y
@user-ld3dn7qe3y 9 ай бұрын
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@frankallen3634
@frankallen3634 6 ай бұрын
If nasa isn't doing it then no way in hell I'm trusting a business
@tinkeringinthailand8147
@tinkeringinthailand8147 Жыл бұрын
The best bet to Colonise Mars is to go underground, this would mitigate a lot of potential issues.
@turbinex_generators
@turbinex_generators 11 ай бұрын
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@samr.england613
@samr.england613 10 ай бұрын
Yeah. We know that. But who want's to live, indefinitely, 99% of the rest of their lives, with the same small group of people, in an underground tin can on Mars? Raise your hands.
@larky368
@larky368 2 ай бұрын
@@samr.england613 Lighten up there buddy! You are talking to video game enthusiasts who have never left their Mom's basement. And it gets pretty dark and gloomy down there so...
@samr.england613
@samr.england613 2 ай бұрын
@@larky368 hehehe... Yep.
@larky368
@larky368 2 ай бұрын
Since we must live underground on Mars because Earth will soon become unlivable I just have to ask, why can't we live underground back on Earth?
@jackcoats4146
@jackcoats4146 Жыл бұрын
I thought Bigelow Aerospace is out of business?
@stardolphin2
@stardolphin2 Жыл бұрын
It sadly appears so, even though they've had prototype hardware in orbit for years (Genesis-1, Genesis-2, and BEAM, attached to ISS). But SNC (Sierra Nevada Corp., the DreamChaser people) are also doing inflatable habs. You can easily find video of destructive testing of them.
@FM-nm4ng
@FM-nm4ng Жыл бұрын
Didn't Bigelow Aerospace shut down?
@filonin2
@filonin2 Жыл бұрын
The have no employees but still exist.
@FM-nm4ng
@FM-nm4ng Жыл бұрын
@@filonin2 - Any idea what happened? I thought they were working on that huge inflatable module the 330. Did they run out of money?
@fishstix4209
@fishstix4209 Жыл бұрын
​@FM-nm4ng owner went full conspiracy theory in 2020, and all his investors pulled out if I remember correctly. I'm pretty sure they also declared bankruptcy as a result.
@stardolphin2
@stardolphin2 Жыл бұрын
@@fishstix4209 And as with so many others, the pandemic didn't help, either.... A shame, as they still have prototype hardware in orbit. But SNC seems positioned to fill that gap.
@fishstix4209
@fishstix4209 Жыл бұрын
@stardolphin2 they fired everyone in March 2020 after stock prices tanked because the owner started going full conspiracy, and nasa no longer wanted to work with them dissolving their contract. They fired everyone, turned over ownership of* the beam to nasa, and then asked for a government bailout....
@JamesSimmons-gv4ow
@JamesSimmons-gv4ow 11 ай бұрын
The proponents of bio-diversity tell us how important insects are in life's chain. When we go to Mars will we bring roaches and flies and the spiders that are always making webs across our garden paths so we encounter them each morning? OK I know spiders are not insects but you get the idea. Are the egg-heads (scientists) planning to introduce any insects to Mars?
@samr.england613
@samr.england613 10 ай бұрын
Let me first say that I think colonies on Mars is a pipe dream. But yes, anywhere we go into space to actually live, then we will have to bring life, including plants, insects, arachnids, mammals, and all the other animal life we can carry in order to recreate viable closed-loop, life-support ecological systems. But ESPECIALLY the insects and microbes, because they are the foundation of Earth's food chain and biosphere.
@chillout1109
@chillout1109 Жыл бұрын
Of course we can build human habitats on Mars. Just not yet. If people like Elon Musk keep pushing the boundaries of creativity, we may be ready for that in the next three decades or so. Bear in mind that just over 120 years ago, we travelled by horse drawn carriages. Today we can fly across the planet in less than 20 hours. And we have machines that are already on Mars right now as we speak. Our technological progress has been genuinely rapid over the past millennium and half. Although we don't quite have the technology to build safe, habitable habitats suitable for another planet, or the transportation means to get humans and their habitat building materials and machines to Mars right now, enormous strides and progress have been made in this area. One thing is for sure. Those of us that shall be fortunate enough to live until the 2060s will witness a trully momentous period in human history, as humans from planet Earth 🌏 actually set their feet down on another planet for the very first time in human history. What a time to be alive!
@samr.england613
@samr.england613 10 ай бұрын
I'd bet that by 2050, Mars colonies will still be, "a few decades in the future". Keep in mind that the chemistry and physics behind jets and even rockets, hasn't changed in over, um, well, 120 years!
@duncanbedford4765
@duncanbedford4765 8 ай бұрын
What a load of BS..😂
@chillout1109
@chillout1109 8 ай бұрын
@@samr.england613 The Starship rocket system will be flying full missions by 2025. What do you think will happen to it over the next 30-40 years? It's not a stretch to suppose that Starship will land humans on Mars in 30-40 years from now. SpaceX is not like NASA. SpaceX innovates fast, and moves much faster than NASA. When everybody says something can't be done, that's SpaceX comes in to prove everyone wrong. Remember when every rocket "expert" said rocket boosters CAN'T land back on earth? Well, guess what? Over 245 Falcon 9 boosters have successfully landed back on earth in the past 8 years. When it comes to SpaceX, never say never.
@samr.england613
@samr.england613 8 ай бұрын
@@chillout1109 Hey! Chill out. Musk was saying back in 2015 and '17 that, "the first unmanned, cargo-laden, 'starships' (liquid-fueled, chemical rockets), would be launching to Mars in 2022." We're now a month and a half from 2024. Don't count on it, Chill. Mars is always in our, "future". Btw, it's illegal to land people on Mars according to the Planetary Protection claus of the Outer Space Treaty, which the US Senate ratified.
@samr.england613
@samr.england613 8 ай бұрын
@@chillout1109 Btw, I don't recall 'every' rocket 'expert' saying that rockets will never be able to land and be re-used.
@christianvitroler5289
@christianvitroler5289 Жыл бұрын
With 98% CO2, the heat on Mars must be horrible :-)
@larky368
@larky368 2 ай бұрын
Ha!
@geoffbarry9540
@geoffbarry9540 Жыл бұрын
Practicalities glossed over - manufacture/production of breathable air, water and food...I'm no scientist but these three considerations have always been the stumbling block for me with regard to any ET exploration or colonisation. Remember also, unless I've missed something, we still haven't adequately addressed even such long known issues as the problem of the abrasive capabilities of moon dust on suits such as those worn in the 70s...
@turbinex_generators
@turbinex_generators 11 ай бұрын
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@samr.england613
@samr.england613 10 ай бұрын
Mars just isn't worth the trouble. It really isn't. And even if it were, it's highly unlikely any nation's taxpayers are going to fund such folly.
@joesimones730
@joesimones730 7 ай бұрын
The surface of Mars is covered with oxides. It doesn't take much to extract oxygen from them, so that takes care of oxygen for breathing. There is quite a bit of water on the planet under the regolith that can be harvested. Water and oxygen solves 3/4 of the issue with establishing a human presence on the planet.
@larky368
@larky368 2 ай бұрын
@@joesimones730 Yeah, all we have to do is shake a Martian rock and the oxygen just falls off.
@joesimones730
@joesimones730 2 ай бұрын
@larky368 your idiotic response tells me you know very little about chemistry. Please don't talk to me anymore. You make me dumber by osmosis.
@ChinaDragon-te2vk
@ChinaDragon-te2vk 7 ай бұрын
AGREEMENT ON JOINT EXPLORATION OF MARS BY CHINA, THE UNITED STATES AND RUSSIA This Agreement on the Joint Exploration of Mars (hereinafter referred to as the "Agreement") is concluded between the Chinese National Space Administration (hereinafter referred to as "KNKA"), the National Aerospace Administration of the United States (hereinafter referred to as "NASA"), and the Russian Space Agency (hereinafter referred to as "RKA"), hereinafter referred to as the "Parties", and together - "Sides". Article 1. The purpose of the study 1.1 The Parties agree to implement a joint Mars exploration program in order to expand knowledge about the planet and the possibility of developing its resources. 1.2 The joint research will be carried out on the basis of respect for international space norms and rules, as well as taking into account the protection of the interests of all Parties. Article 2. Obligations of the Parties 2.1 The KNCA, NASA and the RCA commit to provide all necessary resources for the joint exploration of Mars, including information, technical and financial support. 2.2 Each Party undertakes to provide the research team with its own specialists to ensure the fulfillment of their tasks. 2.3 The Parties agree to the exchange of scientific data and research results during the entire period of the program. Article 3. Financial conditions 3.1 The financing of the program is carried out at the expense of funds allocated by each of the Parties on the basis of a clear and understandable budget plan. 3.2 Each Party is responsible for its own expenses related to the research, as well as ensures the fulfillment of financial obligations according to the agreed schedule. Article 4. Program management 4.1 Elon Musk, the head of SpaceX, is appointed head of the organization responsible for the implementation of specific stages of Mars exploration. 4.2 Elon Musk undertakes to coordinate the work between the Parties, monitor the implementation of the tasks set and present the overall results of the study. Article 5. Confidentiality 5.1 The Parties undertake not to disclose confidential information related to the Mars exploration program to third parties without the prior consent of all Parties. 5.2 Confidentiality does not apply to information that has become publicly available, as well as to cases where disclosure is necessary to fulfill obligations under this Agreement or is required in accordance with applicable law. Article 6. Duration of the Contract 6.1 The Agreement comes into force from the moment of its signing and remains in force for five years. 6.2 If it is necessary to extend the research program, the Parties may agree on such an extension in writing. Article 7. Final provisions 7.1 Any changes and additions to this Agreement may be made only by mutual agreement and must be made in writing. 7.2 This Agreement is drawn up in English in three copies, one for each of the Parties. 7.3 By signing this Agreement, each of the Parties confirms its willingness and intention to cooperate in the framework of joint exploration of Mars and recognize the obligation arising from the terms of the Agreement. ------------------------- Signed: For the Chinese National Space Administration: ____________________ Date: _______________ For the National Aerospace Administration of the USA: ______________________ Date: _______________ For the Russian Space Agency: ______________________________ Date: _______________
@joesimones730
@joesimones730 7 ай бұрын
Those two nations are not long for this world, demographically speaking. China is already overcounting their birth rate outrageously, and Russia is losing men who should be producing children at a fairly high rate in a meaningless war in Ukraine. Any "agreement" with either or both of these countries will be meaningless in a decade.
@zvorenergy
@zvorenergy Жыл бұрын
Youll still need to shield against the severe radiation, I wouldnt trust a thin balloon. I would bury them in regolith.
@turbinex_generators
@turbinex_generators 11 ай бұрын
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@samr.england613
@samr.england613 10 ай бұрын
No shit Sherlock! But, who the hell would want to live 99% of the rest of their life imprisoned in a pressurized, subterranean, artificially lit habitat with the same small group of people for the rest of their lives? Raise you hands!
@joesimones730
@joesimones730 7 ай бұрын
That's the plan.
@timmccrory7630
@timmccrory7630 7 ай бұрын
Are you telling me since the radiation is closer? Do they think that it would be easier to get cancer if you live on Mars?
@darktower74
@darktower74 5 ай бұрын
Can we REALLY build Mars habitats? Of course we can. We can also die tragically and slowly on live TV. Any person or corporation that doesn't build a torus space station first is doomed in my opinion. Give the astronauts the simulated Earth gravity and a TON of problems disappear. A Stanford torus station (a la Gateway LLC's lofty ideals) can be stationed in stationary orbit around Mars. Dropships can carry scientists or colonists down to the surface and then back. Staying ON the surface would present problems quickly. An orbiting station would largely mitigate the 240-300 mSv radiation they'd accumulate on the planet. Lowered operational costs (a la Space X and private commercial groups) could increase the rotation OUT of Mars contracts.... like pilots being limited by increased exposure to radiation... the Mars orbiters and colonists would just rotate out. The biggest concern I have is the time frame in which Elon plans to achieve so many of the things he aims at. I get the feeling he's all too aware of his own mortality and short lifespan. He wants to achieve this before he dies.... that means 2040ish.... anything beyond that and it'll be too close or he'll be too far removed from the industry to be credited with it.
@RogerM88
@RogerM88 Жыл бұрын
With current technology it's not economical viable to have a colony on Mars besides some Crew missions. And even if in terms of logistics was viable, those shelter habitats would be preferably built underground.
@samr.england613
@samr.england613 10 ай бұрын
Never mind that crewed missions to Mars violate the Planetary Protection Clause of the Outer Space Treaty of 1967, which most of the world's nations signed back in 1967, including the US, and it was ratified by the US Senate.
@user-ld3dn7qe3y
@user-ld3dn7qe3y 9 ай бұрын
1 minut fac nopte pe marte egel Gabriel
@chrisschur6736
@chrisschur6736 Жыл бұрын
Looks like trillions of dollars to do this. where is that coming from? starlink?
@samr.england613
@samr.england613 10 ай бұрын
Exactly. Who's going to pay for it? The US or European taxpayer? Don't count on it. The Chinese? Highly unlikely, because, however the commie bastards raise funds for such it thing, it's bound to piss off their masses, and that's something the Chinese gov doesn't want. The Mexican space program, maybe? :)
@HarryNicNicholas
@HarryNicNicholas Жыл бұрын
hmmm. i think it's just as well elon seems to have a bottomless pit of money, cos as with all human endeavors i bet, i BET there will be a whole swathe of unforeseen problems. don't get me wrong, i'm 69 and i really hope elon has given me the slim chance of going to another planet myself before i croak (hurry up david sinclair on that note) and i really want us to get to a stage where earth can be evacuated and become a pure nature reserve, i just think it won't go exactly to plan. spaceX has been great at turning disasters into successes, and i hope that keeps up, and i hope they never run out of money (i wonder, if kennedy had said "we choose to go to the moon, twice a day" if he could have made that happen.)
@filonin2
@filonin2 Жыл бұрын
Earth will literally never be depopulated as there would always be billions of people unwilling to leave, unless you want to wipe them out from orbit. I guess that would work. Otherwise, no way.
@stardolphin2
@stardolphin2 Жыл бұрын
As someone your age (and also hoping Sinclair, deGrey, Parrish, and others are right), I agree...
@jasonraines7629
@jasonraines7629 Жыл бұрын
"Colonizers"? Don't you mean "Colonists"?
@samr.england613
@samr.england613 10 ай бұрын
I think he means, "idiots".
@joesimones730
@joesimones730 7 ай бұрын
There are plenty of elements on Mars to build a Colony. The ground is absolutely covered with oxides, that can be converted to oxygen, there is already plenty of co2 there. So what the hell are you talking about?
@larky368
@larky368 2 ай бұрын
Some colony where you have to mine and process your air and water. That is not a self-sustaining colony since you will always need Earth to come and repair your machines for you. And before you say they can repair them themselves where are they gonna get the spare parts?
@saumyacow4435
@saumyacow4435 10 ай бұрын
Before asking how we colonise Mars, let's ask the more basic question: Why? There is no rational self interest for a human being that derives from living on Mars long term. So why are we even talking about colonies (apart from the intellectual exercise)? There's plenty of things here on Earth that we might be able to do, but we don't do, because nobody benefits. It might be feasible, but it aint worth doing. Sure, Mars might be fun to visit. We might collectively benefit from the challenge of reaching Mars and exploring it. But can someone tell me how an individual human being benefits from living on Mars (not visiting)? One thing he or she cannot get from remaining on Earth? Again, we're talking about living there long term, not visiting. I ask this questions many, many times and I get static. No one can answer it. Save deflections onto benefits that derive purely from visiting, or exploration. Why are we so obsessed? Can we not engage in sensible but limited exploration and accept that it's ok to fantasise about colonies even if in reality there is no rational, personal, benefit? And therefore it will not happen.
@travishylton6976
@travishylton6976 3 ай бұрын
nucluar war
@saumyacow4435
@saumyacow4435 3 ай бұрын
@@travishylton6976 Nuclear war is a benefit?
@thewr0ngchild
@thewr0ngchild 4 ай бұрын
I want to know what happens when the Americans get there first, followed promptly by Russia and China. Everyone sticks their flag into 'their' patch of Mars. How long before the first Martian war?. I give them like a month at best =/
@texasbassranger
@texasbassranger Жыл бұрын
I am exceedingly disappointed in videos like this. Not that this one was badly done, on the contrary. But missing a critical point is glaring. Our survival against solar and cosmic radiation will depend on seeking shelter within accessible Mars lava tubes. Now, that comes with its own challenges. We are decades away from developing the AI and robotics needed to discover, explore and map out these tubes. Maybe even a generation away from this. The robotics and AI needed for these tubes must be able to not only explore and map out the tubes, but clear the tube floors of debris and then level them in order to prepare the surfaces for the LIFE habitat inflation(s). Somehow, I am having trouble picturing Mars explorers in full space suits pushing around shovels full of regolith to get this necessary job done. Granted, these tubes may eventually be deemed unsafe for human habitats, but we need to explore them to see if they are at least a possibility. Having spoken with a friend of a friend at Sierra Space, they admit that the LIFE modules may not be sufficient in the long term to block the radiation for those within. The tubes can either make or break early exploratory missions. I believe leaving them out of the equation, is a disservice to the topic.
@turbinex_generators
@turbinex_generators 11 ай бұрын
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@samr.england613
@samr.england613 10 ай бұрын
Maybe even several generations out... I don't want to go into all the other reasons why Mars colonization is bullshit. Please read my multiple comment/responses above.
@domenicobarillari2046
@domenicobarillari2046 Жыл бұрын
So let me get this straight: you want to immigrate to a lifeless world, with near vacuum conditions and no significant resources (short of melting the odd -80 ice lake somewheres for a bit of H2, O2 and good ole' H2O). On top of that, there is the unrelenting cosmic + daytime solar ionizing radiations, weak sunlight and regular duststorms (even at 20 mm atm press.). I would want to spent vast sums of cash to go there why? Vending SPACEX real-work missions (satellite-lofting) isn't going to do it. Now understand, I am a scientist, but I see my robots doing a perfectly good job right now without harming myself ( much like my lab's mechanical arms do a great job in our nuclear hot cells). What is it you're selling me? sorry but most of those who want to go on a life-ender trip cannot even afford the fare!
@stardolphin2
@stardolphin2 Жыл бұрын
Well...if colonization (as opposed to pure research) is what you want, then by definition, robots can't do it. Your hot cell manipulators don't have a 20 or more minute time delay, either...
@domenicobarillari2046
@domenicobarillari2046 Жыл бұрын
@@stardolphin2 My original point was that colonization would not be the desire of any reasonable person. All descriptions of it, even the "mere" trip to Mars ( a 120 million mile ride by low-energy trajectory) would feel like much of the plot to "Ad Astra": lots of expended energy, boredom and terror leading to the surface of a dead world not, by any sensible measure, worth having EXCEPT as a scientific object of study. A colleague of mine is senior on one of the surface rover science teams (examining crust composition by APX spectroscopy). I think he would concur that a 20 minute data delay is quite palatable given the wonderful results they get without personal danger or a $Bn cost per person to "colonize" [actual NASA estimate.]
@samr.england613
@samr.england613 10 ай бұрын
Mars colonization is a pipe dream, fueled by many forces, including, but not limited to, billionaires like Elon Musk, as well historical fascination with the, "Red Planet". (I hate it when journalists and writers, in order to avoid repitition when writing about Mars, say, 'the Red Planet'. We know you're talking about Mars, so just say, 'the planet', or 'Mars'!) You know? After all, when writing about Venus, we don't say, "the yellow-white planet"! haha. Please read my comments/responses above.
@deanmason5827
@deanmason5827 7 ай бұрын
The last Mars rover, which was unmanned, cost 2.7 billion which includes the 80 million flying drone, that's a good deal. Now put into context getting maned flights to Mars along with everything needed to survive (not) 100 billion, 200 billion, all the time our own little blue world is being destroyed, some of which will the result of all the construction of the material wasted on a Mars dream. Don't forget Mars wants to kill those there a 100 different ways.
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