Do a clip with Danny going over the measurements. It would be a cool idea and the people would love it. Like you feature him with you on your channel.

Well first you gotta take the missus and the kids back home, right? ("Guests".....mmmm....)

@@yuckysamson That was not Ron's family making racket in the background. A good friend was there for a visit and that was his family (with kids) walking in on us.

@@dannyrichie9743 I know I know, kidding is a lost art.

Yah Ron, still waiting for the review on the red Sapphire's you promised a year ago.

this is true.

I think my first ever speaker purchase decision came down to Original Advents or Norman Labs , both at The Hungry Ear in Dallas.

You're absolutely right. Dipole excites and interacts the room volume entirely differently. Siegfried Linkwitz' superb web database is a great source on this aspect, ... he detailed every element of this throughout his life's work. Dipolar excitation manifests itself as cleaner LF room decay times. Just as you want clean decay time of HF drivers, clean decay of the room is vital... it strips away an overlay of unnecessary heavy blur. Danny's brief impression is spot on; @5:51

This was me, bought and built the nx otica with triple driver servo subs. Blows your mind. Check out my videos on my channel of my system vs a 600k system. You be the judge.

It's like if you have driven a 20 year old Hyundai your whole life, and someone offers you a ride in a brand new 7 series Beemer. It is just so much more than you are used to it is addictive. I went active open baffle about 12 years ago and I have no intentions of going back to boxes for music.

@@DodgyBrothersEngineering: That sounds like fun! I was thinking of building one and making it active just to test out. I'll never spend thousands on any speaker in my lifetime, not when I can build the same thing myself for only hundreds. So building one is probably the only way I'll get to demo one, and active is easy so that was my thinkin on that. Do you only use two of them in your system? I'm all about home theater, I wonder how would 9 open baffle speakers work in a room? Cheers 🍻

@@Finite-Tuning the great thing about OB is exactly that it is an open baffle there really isn't any building to do. I actually have two different main speakers because I couldn't hear any difference between the two prototype designs I made. The first one I built used a flat piece of 19mm MDF, at the top I have a RAAL 140-15AM dipole tweeter with the MDF cut down to the same size as the face plate (check out Madisound to see the tweeter). The second speaker I have two vertical pieces of 5/8" x 1-1/2" light pine, again the RAAL dipole is mounted to the face plate holes, so there is no difference in baffle size between them, only the tweeter face plate. On the first speaker I have the mids mounted in the MDF with only a small amount of baffle showing and the sides rounded over with a router. The second speaker the mids are suspended by light chain bought from a hardware store. The 18" woofers are behind the main speakers. There are two distinct types of open baffle speakers. What I have which is pretty much called baffleless open baffle, and open baffle where you have a distinct baffle. The reason boxes have a forward sound to them is largely attributed to the front face of the box, if you have a big baffle you can wind up having the same problems as a boxed speaker. The draw back of the baffleless setup is that you wind up with a lot more sound cancellation between the front and the rear of the driver. What Danny has done with his speakers is a cross between baffleless and baffled. By using a narrow front baffle he has most of the advantage of the baffleless speaker, but the wing sides gives them advantage of the wider baffle by keeping front and rear waves from colliding and cancelling each other out. The really great thing about open baffle it is really hard to muck things up totally. Whereas a box, you get dimensions or volumes wrong and you can turn a half decent driver into something really crap sounding. While you can use virtually any driver in an open baffle there are some that are more open baffle friendly. Active makes finding the right crossover points so much easier. As for home theatre... There is a huge difference in the way box speakers and open baffle project sound. A box speaker projects sound into the room creating a more impactful movie, whereas open baffle kind of move the air around the room, moving it backwards and forwards with the driver.

@@Finite-Tuning Although thinking about it open baffle would be very interesting to try in a home theatre arrangement. One of the great advantages of open baffle is the image they create in the room. With boxed speakers it is often very easy to tell the source of the sound. Open baffle tends to create a wall of sound so it sounds like it is often coming from the left - centre - right. Being that surround sound speakers are designed to create a sense of sounds coming from around the back of you, open baffle may be an excellent choice for surround sound speakers. Only thing you would need is enough room so the speakers could be off the wall to work properly otherwise you may as well stay with boxes.

That's a great price considering they were over 2K when new , 2.6 K if the Turbo S version .

Where did you hear about this? That could be intriguing… (from a current NX studio owner)…

@@Cujobob From Danny himself: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mJNoeriAvdbGnJc.html I could always buy a nice used 6” pair 😉.

Okay.

@@dannyrichie9743 awesome, I'm looking forward to it.

As I recall from my visit your room also features some interesting power supply implementations.

Yes, the back wave is the biggest frustration when dealing with open baffle and panel speakers. You need at least 3-4 feet behind them.

being placed far from the wall is the only reason why I have yet to purchase the X5... I need to be around 1 foot away from the wall

@@r1verrat1977 Its the main obstacle to widespread adoption of open baffle speakers.

The coils we have been waiting for have shipped. Tweeters that we have been waiting for are being made and air freighted in. We got a small batch of 54 units this week, and 54 more have just been sent. We are now getting out X Series orders in the order that they came in. So hang on, we are getting them out.

Good questions. The center to center spacing of the drivers dictates the crossover point. With the drivers spaced as far apart on this model it will dictate a fairly low crossover point, and in this case that is exactly what they have. The crossover point is at a low 750Hz. There are clear advantages to small baffles. This design uses a tweeter in a wave guide and that controls the dispersion to some degree and minimizes so of the baffle size issues. It worked and sounded great. There are always advantages in the use on multiple drivers. Minimizing exertion allows for faster settling times. In this case two woofers are being used down low and they have quite a bit of surface area. So neither move too far at average listening levels.

We already offer several center channel models.

Running PAP speakers for five years. Always felt they lacked detailed, not resolving enough for me. Off axis they fall apart. Got a pair of Danny's NXOxitics; they are definitely next level. Working on sending my PAP W/ Leonidas Xover to have Danny measure. Open baffle is what's up. Looking forward to comparing both afterwards

@@luismelendez5747 which model of tweeter do you have? I’ve got the Trio 10 Mundorf AMT. My crossover is not the modular one, but it does have a two position jumper to address tweeter response.

I have heard them. It was Linkwitz's answer for the big baffle sound (lots of surface reflections) of the Orion. They have no baffle at all (practically), so they require a high level of response correction to make them work. So you are stuck with the bottleneck of the electronic or digital crossovers and multiple amps. I was not a big fan, and they really didn't sound that good.

Check out the nx otica smoke a 600k system kzfaq.info/get/bejne/icennsZzv7Gpc6M.html

We didn't measure them, Clayton brought them over and we set them up in the room and just listened for a couple hours. The intention was to have fun rather than critique. That said, there was nothing that stood out compared to the NX-Tremes, the X4 were very balanced, with excellent soundstage, imagining and detail. They also used excellent quality drivers and crossover components. It would be interested to see the measurements, but that wasn't the point of Clayton's trip.

If you've spent decent time with a reference that you know the measurements for, you can more or less go to familiar tracks and get a close idea of what it's doing. Not defending one way or the other. He did state the point was not to put these through a grueling measurement microscope. They just plugged in and enjoyed. Nothing wrong with that!

@@Carl-bd1rf I think there is a big difference here, most of the speakers sent to Danny are owners who want their speakers to be upgraded, so he will have to take measurements for all those speakers in order to recommend the upgrade. In this case Spatial Audio brought in the X4 to have a sharing session with Danny, so it would be rather rude to request for measurements. It would be great if Spatial can provide the measurements for Danny to show them. In fact I am hoping this X4 measures flat and this will reinforce the idea that a good sounding speaker should have relatively good measurements. When Ron reviewed the Spatial M3, the measurements he took were pretty flat.

@@Carl-bd1rf You don't have to take his/our word for it. Even if someone else had sent them in and we did measure it, we'd still be praising it's performance, in either case we wouldn't recommend touching them, they already use really good quality parts, and sounded fantastic.

Side note - here is the nx otica comparing to a 600k rig if you are interested kzfaq.info/get/bejne/icennsZzv7Gpc6M.html

With any open baffle speaker, you really need to be able to move them at least three feet out into the room.

You need to be able to bring them at least 3 feet out into the room.

I've heard them.

The speakers can cross fairly low, so using one double or triple in mono is not a problem. But more is always better. :-)

I am and can be a brutally honest guy. So friend or no friend if it doesn't sound good, I'll say so. It this case they sounded great.

If you’re considering spending that kind of money then you need to just break down and buy a plane ticket. Only way to be sure that you like what you’re listening to. That would only cost a fraction of the price of the speakers and save you from a bad investment if you don’t like. Plus you’ll be able to hear the whole lineup of speakers as opposed to one or two pair.

If you want to jump on the open baffle train you could try building a pair of X-Statiks. They are an amazing value for the money.

you could order a pair of Lii Audio F-15s and build a baffle, that would give you a taste of both open baffle and diy, imo its the cheapest and easiest way to move in that direction.

See my channels video showing the nx otica smoke a 600k system. You won't worry about open baffle after you check it out.

@@TheDocAudioShow Should post a link

Driver distance is mostly a non-issue because of the low crossover points - 100Hz and 750Hz to the AMT. Clayton

It would be a problem if the crossover points were not so low. With the low crossover points it is not an issue.

Lol no

I have a pair of X5s. To me they sounded great at low volumes and medium volumes. At higher volumes they started to lack bass(above 90db) If I had to do it over again I’d buy X4s and either Danny’s sub or a rythmique to supplement the bass.

I listen to my X5s every night at under 70db at the listening position and I am transfixed. Hard to shut down to go to bed. I love them!

The crossover parts are excellent quality components with top level V-Caps on the tweeter and quality large gauge iron cores for the woofers. Air cores would be nice but at the values being used, the cost and size difference isn't realistic, even for DIY. The price is 7,500 per pair.

@@hoth2112 You know I was kidding?But thank you for the information and your time.And have a sonorous day. Doc BC

@@BC-fy1wn There's a lot of context lost in text, tbh. So sarcasm is not always so clear.

They're a totally different class of products. The LGK kits are meant for desktops or small rooms, the X4 are a proper speaker meant for large rooms with plenty of space.

@@hoth2112 how small of a room do you have to be in and at what spl level @ 1 meter do you need to be at to get the LGK playing at its best?

@@-MarkWinston- on their own bedroom/office size. With subs you can get away with a bit of a larger room like a 14x20x9 livingroom, or larger. Especially if you can roll off the bottom end, starting below 80-100Hz. Otherwise they will bottom out, especially at higher volumes.

@@hoth2112 Can I high pass it at 120hz and get it to play cleanly at 85db @ 2 meters?

@@-MarkWinston- Easily. The higher you high pass it, the louder it will be able to play.

What plans, and drivers did you use?

That’s why I like Magnepan, Like they said in the video, open baffle produces velocity not pressure -basically you don’t excite all the nasty room distortions!