No u can’t

You can upload spatial video to KZfaq if you first convert to standard 3D side by side using an app such as Spatialify. Re watching, besides Vision Pro, meta is updating quest 2, quest 3 and quest pro to be able to watch spatial videos. But the feature hasn’t been implemented yet.

@@360vroomers thanks

@@techware1840 Yes you can. I upload my videos all the time on my channel.

Yes i totally agree. My guess is that MAYBE when they originally thought of it, it was indeed truly novel but they took so many years to perfect it that by that time, quest pro and quest 3 were able to do the same at a fraction of the cost.

Apple’s strategy is just to entice those people who are totally ignorant to what VR/AR industry has achieved in recent years. It’s like those people paid an extra “VR ignorance tax“ in order to enjoy VR/AR for the first time.

Yes Quest 3 can shoot in 3d. See here How to use Quest 3 to capture 3D photos and videos: 360rumors.com/quest-3-3d-videos/

Hi Kevin. You need to install a utility called "Sidequest," which takes 5 minutes. Sidequest will let you run the commands to enable 3D capture or enables you to install an app called Quest Games Optimizer that can let you turn on 3D capture with a toggle.

Hi Edward. Do you mean Onward the shooter VR game? It's not on Apple Vision Pro and will probably never go there because Vision Pro has no controllers. The games that I know on Vision Pro are designed for hand tracking. If that's not what you meant by your question pls let me know.

It’s possible but it’s up to Pico to do that. Or a developer might create an app to do that.

@@360vroomers That would be nice

If not, you can just get a 3D camera like Qoocam Ego or use i3DMovieMaker to make a 3D video in the common side-by-side format.

@@360vroomers It won't work on 15 Pro Max, I got one picture zoomed in… try 😀

@@360vroomers When you rewatch videos of the QooCam in a VR headset, does it playback like you are really there? Like FULLY there? or is it just immersive with some good depth perception, i want something that can record VR videos that can be played back in a way that im experiencing it like im actually there.

Hey there vgv. Congrats on the Vision Pro. That’s quite an upgrade! I wondered about that same thing. I thought the ultrawide lens would be used to capture the background that would let the viewer see more of the video as you described. Or I thought it would use the depth sensor to capture depth. But nope. As for VR180 yes I really hope canon produces the hybrid camera at a reasonable price.

As soon as the opportunity to shoot video with VR360, VR180 3D and Flat SBS 3D arose, I tried to take advantage and have already tried several different amateur cameras. A significant limitation for such videos is a serious limitation for their mass viewing. The 3D TVs that appeared did not live long, and the developing VR glasses were focused primarily on games, which is why Oculus GO did not have a sequel. Apple Vision Pro is a great technical development in this area, but I think Apple's policy of isolating their products from the rest of the world is preventing them from creating a truly mainstream product at the level of their capabilities.

@@YGershteyn Yeah, I preordered the Apple Vision Pro primarily for 3D movie and content watching. However, home 3D has never really died and lives on still through the projector market. In fact, I still buy new 3D movies today, though admittedly, many come from other countries. There are many 3D projectors on the market and more to come. Apple Vision Pro is than next upgrade for me in the 3D department as it's traditional movie transfers are supposed to be in 4K (as opposed to my 3D Bluray's at 1080p), and it's 180 3D experiences were shot in 8K (the one's on the app now). I do agree with you however, Apple does like to isolate itself, so time will tell how versatile the AVP will be. vgv

Good question Charles. I dont have one so I couldn’t guide you but I suggest joining groups for Vision Pro such as on Facebook or Reddit. I think people will figure it out shortly.

There’s a converter from Kandao

Uhuh they are marketing this to ignorant people who have money. 😢 as for not playing KZfaq 360 videos, i dont get it either. 🤷

You know right? Can’t believe Apple tried to pull a fast one on all the uneducated people, like how they tried to market the iPhone 1 as being better than the blackberry and every other phone out there, just because it had a virtual keyboard and a touchscreen with multitouch. Besides that, what made it different from everything out there? Zero. Zero! ZERO 0️⃣!!! The nerve of them trying to fool all the ignorant people out there.

I can understand if they want to give 3D a special name as long as they are honest about what it is and what it isn’t. Instead, they tried to show it as something totally new when it isn’t. As for tech reviewers who got an early look, I guess that’s why Apple chose them. Because they could be counted on to repeat Apple’s claims.

@@360vroomers I totally agree.

too many of the tech reviewers are not actually techies, but influeners saying how "cool" gadget X is. They even use Apple lingo. Some have admitted its actually VR & AR with eye tracking. From whats ive seen its a 360 view of iOS & no VR to explorer. Apple people behaving like VR is finally here because "Spatial Computing"

@@FlyiDCGAlso true.

Abso-fn-lutely. What would these Vision Pro buyers say if they found out that there have been consumer VR180 cameras and people have been watching them for several years?

@@360vroomers Yep... sort'a like how Apple's Mac tweaked and popularized Xerox GUI and the iPod tweaked and opularized the MP3 Jukebox. (BTW, I've shot 3D for _over_ 30 years)! 😎

ah a fellow 3D enthusiast! Well hopefully Apple makes 3D mainstream although i'm not betting on it.

I disagree. The resolution on even an iPhone 15pro is as high as most of the high end vr180 content. I would even say better in many cases. Immersion is a tricky word. I believe there are a number of factors that contribute to immersion. I think capture resolution is a big one and right now the most important. Yes we want all v180. But most cameras are currently not up to snuff unfortunately.

I think we ought to compare like for like. iPhone 15 can capture 3d videos but not vr180. Compared to other non-VR 3D cameras, iPhone spatial video has very good detail and color but has a weak depth effect because of the short distance between the lenses.

Hi Edward. I don't wear eyeglasses.

The problem for me is not just the name spatial video. It’s that they showed it as being capable of parallax when it isn’t. Ironically, iPhone CAN shoot videos with parallax using the LiDAR sensor. In fact there’s an app called Record3D that does that. But they didn’t use it. As for Spatial Audio, that’s a feature of the Vision Pro itself, not spatial video. So for example if you play a flat movie (not spatial video) and you turn your head to the left, the movie sound will seem to come from your right. Etc. this is also true for Quest so it’s not new.

It is not spatial audio, it is just stereoscopic audio upmixed to spatial audio. Spatial audio, aside from Surround films, is just stereoscopic music on head tracked headphones. You can literally buy a 600€ pair of speakers and experience the same thing for stereoscopic content. A stereo microphone is not comparable to any ambisonic 4/5/6th order microphone and will never

Hi YGershteyn. I think the ability to convert 3D into volumetric video is the next step. It will allow us to walk around a 3D video. One company that is doing that is called Lifecast. I hope they get acquired by Apple and their innovation becomes mainstream.

@@360vroomers Gaussian Splatting might able to help that

Hmm that’s strange that only iPhone panoramas can be viewed in immersive view. 😤

@@360vroomers so now I need to do testing. I actually found out that I need to send my panoramas to my phone first. It seems that once it’s on my iPhone, it tags them as panoramas and then they can be sent to the Vision Pro. From, here it got weird. I had 6 photos, 5 of them were marked as panos on the iPhone and one wasn’t. Once I sent them to the vision, only 2 out of the 6 were marked as panos and actually wrapped around. I’m not sure why the other x4 weren’t marked when they have the same aspect ratio. They all also had Pano at the end of the picture name. I’m not sure how Apple determines whether or not they are “real” panos.

Yes and insta360 even said they would produce a VR180 module for their Insta360 one R modular camera. But they didn’t because they didn’t think there was enough demand for it.

​@@360vroomersI think they right but if this will be interesting they have a little time to make for one r or just refublished evo version)

@@blanfix yes I hope insta360 becomes interested in VR180 again.

You are right. Even Facebook 3D photos have at least limited parallax. So it is definitely doable. But Apple is a very stubborn company. If they change it soon then it is admitting that there was something missing in the initial release and I think they are too proud to do that.

@@360vroomers Well for the sake of improving UX, I hope they're not too proud!

Unfortunately true.

Glad I helped you avoid an unnecessary upgrade! As for a lawsuit, I think it could happen.

I really don’t know why Apple couldn’t just be straightforward about it. They had to pretend it was something special.

​@@360vroomers I appreciate your video & helping consumers understand. Im sharing your video. You should do a full honest Quest 3 vs Vision Pro video. Your honesty is appreciated.

Thanks FlyiDCG. I plan to post my comparison as an article.

Thanks Jay! I used a rode wireless go. My room is echoey because it was just added recently and is still relatively empty (with wood floors not carpet). But I’ll definitely reduce the echo next time. Thanks for the suggestion.

That sounds right. They made it sound like every feature is the first of its kind even though quest pro can do everything (admittedly with less polish).

yes Qoocam Ego is so underrated.

Thanks Frank. I don’t know why other reviewers didn’t talk about it. I think it could just be that they are not sufficiently familiar with kinds of 3D. And fyi my friend Hugh Hou made a video that disagrees with me and said that it does have parallax because there is a shadow box. But I don’t agree with him on that point. The mere addition of a shadow box does not mean the photo or video itself has parallax imho.

Thanks! Ironically it could have been possible for spatial videos to have parallax if Apple had used the depth sensors in the iPhone and Vision Pro. But for some reason they didn’t do that.

Uhuh the evo was a classic and still sought after by 3d shooters. Many would like insta360 to bring it back but it appears insta360 doesn’t see enough demand for it.

Thanks Paulo!

I agree that when shooting VR180, the camera should be stationary. But when I talk about parallax I mean that if the viewer moves their head while watching the video, then the video perspective should change. If they can do it, it would make 3D more convincing. It’s not impossible because there are already apps that can do a simple type of volumetric video using the iphone LiDAR.

@@360vroomers I think that these are quite subtle effects and can only be implemented on a VR headset with eye tracking. Most of the less professional videos on the Internet have many more different visual problems than the absence of such parallax, and in cinemas it is generally not achievable. Do you think that such a complex technology will be in demand even if regular 3D TVs are no longer produced?

Hi Kevin. Well I don’t object to that because every camera company does that. But they cross the line if they show something that it’s not capable of (parallax) and make it seem like it can do it.

The problem with for-profit corporations is that their primary mission is to increase the stock price. They often twist the truth in order to achieve that goal. Another example for your kids is when VW and Audi cheated on their emissions test.

Yes true volumetric 6DOF videos like those will be the future. There is a company called Lifecast that converts VR180 videos into 6DOF videos. I hope Apple acquires them.

@@360vroomers thanks will check them out!

Found the gold.@@360vroomers

Have you checked out (or Googled) gaussian splatting yet? To me this seems like a good "starting point" for the technology you're describing.

@@jeffnik yes I have tried Gaussian splatting. Very promising but it can’t do video yet.

Thanks Anthony. Yes I think it is a good use for VR/mixed reality. I think in several years, when the goggles have become lighter and more affordable, it can become as common as a tablet or possibly even a smartphone.

Cinematic mode will change the focus but if you shot a stationary video then moving your head side to side while watching it does not change the parallax.

The Vision Pro’s display is excellent. As for comparison with quest 3 I think quest 3 is close.

Glad it was helpful!

As long as you know what you’re getting and what you’re *not* getting.

Hey there Aleks. Good to see you! I hope to fix my room some more to make better videos.

I expected it to have parallax because that is what they showed and because it is in fact possible if they use the depth sensor.

Yes it’s just Apple’s rebranding of 3D videos.

Yes I’ve tried Luma AI. As for 6dof, it would have been possible to have 6dof within a limited area using the iPhone and vision pro’s depth sensors. But for whatever reason, Apple didn’t think to use the depth sensors.

​@@360vroomers I saw besides Luma, Polycam is also coming out w/ an AVP app. I'm deep in AI these days, and the advances in NeRFs, (gaussian) splatting, segmentation, depth generation is advancing very quickly, so I look at it as sort of a good thing that Apple is both bringing in a big audience and to some degree failing to deliver, since it will both expand the market/audience but give the opportunity for others to execute better (if they can). Sucks a bit for those people dropping $4K for a device that under delivers, but they can either return it if they're unhappy, or if they *are* happy with what the AVP does do, well, more power to them. Totally agree that it's a big scandal that tech reviewers are either too incompetent or beholden to Apple to call them on their BS though.

Thanks! The difference is noticeable.

The spatial video was really disappointing to me. But I like the navigation.

I guess Apple is too proud to ask Google to make a KZfaq app for Vision Pro.

@@360vroomers yea) I think they same when g Hear that there no KZfaq app))

I’m glad you like Vision Pro.

Yes I wonder if they faked the eye thing too in the ads. In the demo, they didn't even show it saying that there wasn't enough time to make a persona. Yeah right... users already had to spenh time to do the calibration....

Yes I saw it. His thesis is that the shadow box effect means it has parallax. I disagree. Even a *2D* panorama viewed on Vision Pro in immersive mode has this same shadow box effect. But no one is claiming that a 2D panorama has parallax. So why would adding that shadow box effect be considered as parallax? In any case, it falls far short of what Apple depicted in their ads. So sure Hugh is a professional videographer and I am not but whose explanation makes more sense to you?

I’m glad you found it helpful. I hope that in the future, Apple uses the LiDAR to enable 3d capture with parallax.

Do you mean 3D 180 videos? Apple calls those “immersive videos.” For 3D 180 / VR180, the canon r5 with the dual fisheye lens has one of the best quality for that price range. If you don’t like canon, you can get ZCam K2 Pro.

That’s what I was wondering too. Consumer protection laws in the US aren’t as strong but there are still laws against deceptive advertising. It’s like they advertised wagyu steak and sold a regular hamburger. I don’t know how their legal department approved this marketing campaign.

​@@360vroomers Hugh Hou made a video saying the exact opposite of what you are saying in this video.

@@dtz1000 thanks. Just because the frame appears to float around the window doesn’t mean the video itself has parallax. I asked Hugh to take a spatial photo of a stick with a distant object behind it and then move side to side when viewing. If it has parallax, then a background object will look like it is on one side or the other. See if he can do that.

Yes you’re absolutely right. It’s the silver lining. I hope 3d succeeds.

I think it’s a smart move by meta. But what meta missed is to enable the 3D video capture mode. Don’t know why they don’t just enable it.

There are laws against false advertising and I think Apple has some exposure to them.

I really hope Canon does produce their hybrid VR180 camera!

Canon should trademark "Spatial camera" immediately! :)

That’s the sad part John. They COULD have used LiDAR to add a parallax effect. In fact there are iPhone apps that can capture volumetric video. That’s why we know it’s possible but they didn’t do that even though their ads pretended that they did.

@@360vroomers Yeah, I see what you mean. I wanted to say too, that I do appreciate you exploring the whole topic of "3D" video features on the VP and the iPhone 15. It's good to know the limitations, and how much of what we're being told is just marketing hype. We need to be able to distinguish between the hype and "actual features." What I can't yet say for sure, is whether the lidar data is actually being captured or not. I'm the developer of a 3D design app, called Finito Studio, for the iPad Pro. As one of its features, I let the user capture the depth data from the iPad Pro's lidar sensor (if it's available) and use it to construct 3D models. But, honestly, Apple has not really provided a straightforward way to access that lidar data, making it rather difficult to simultaneously capture images and apply them as textures to the 3D models. So, I end up providing more of a point cloud from the user's lidar scans. This is so much less than what I would like to offer the user. But, my point is that Apple could probably make good use of the lidar data when they capture "Spacial Videos," and I'm not absolutely sure that they're not (already) capturing the depth data. I suspect that the spatial video is still very much a work in progress, and Apple may still be trying to figure out how to make good use of the lidar data. In other words, future versions of both user-level apps and OS-level enhancements may allow Apple, as well as developers better access to the lidar data. Anyway, great chatting with you. Keep up the good work!

Thanks! Yes I hope that spatial videos v2 will add true depth data from the LiDAR, and that Apple makes the LiDAR data easier for devs like you to use them.

Thank you! 🙏

iPhone has less 3D because the distance between the lenses is small. And it has to be that way because it’s 3 lenses work together for better image quality with computational photography.

Thanks! The difference between Vision Pro's spatial video and iPhone spatial video is noticeable not just for the difference in depth but also because the Vision Pro's spatial video has a wider angle. With the wider angle, you can see more things that are closer to the camera, which makes the 3D effect even more noticeable than on iPhone spatial video.

Good point! As a 3d enthusiast, I am also hoping that Apple can make 3D mainstream. In terms of sales, i wonder if your clients may be interested in Apple’s immersive video format (aka VR180 or 3D 180).

Im glad you love it!

You and I may have a different understanding of what is parallax.

@@360vroomers possibly

Thanks I appreciate it!

I know right. Such a missed opportunity. And in fact both iphone 15 pro and Vision Pro have depth sensors so why not use them to add actual depth to the images? Instead they had to resort to marketing fakery.

Ouch! lol

Adding parallax is not as hard as it may initially seem because the iPhone and Vision Pro have depth sensors. If they had used the depth sensors to create a true depth map then videos would have parallax. In fact there are iPhone apps that can already do that. And even if the occluded parts were just blurred that would have looked way cooler than zero parallax.

I didn’t know about Calf’s new low cost model. That would be nice because we haven’t seen a VR180 camera for consumers in a while. As for viewing modes, afaik there is only one way to view spatial video, similar to viewing a non-VR 3d video on Quest. It appears as a floating window with a 3D video “inside” the window. I have leiapad 1 and spatial video is the same. Both are stereoscopic. leiapad doesn’t have parallax effect when you move your head position so yes the spatial video is like that.

hahaha well unfortunately I believed it... :(

Thanks! I’m fortunate that this KZfaq channel isn’t my livelihood so I can tell the truth.

@@360vroomers The truth is always expensive 😉

Not even that. At least Pro 2 can capture 3D 360 or VR180. Spatial video is just regular 3D video with a limited field of view.

​@@360vroomers So its not even 180 3D? its less than 180?

@FlyiDCG the field of view is similar to a normal shot on your phone’s 28mm lens. The Vision Pro seems to capture a wider field of view but nowhere near 180.

That's what I figured. They're using "spatial" only as a marketing term that's not totally semantically accurate.

Thanks! 👊

I agree 100%! I think partly it is because Vision Pro is so expensive that people are justifying their purchase. They don’t want to admit they made a mistake.

Hi Ergin. The key issue is not the name. It’s that they showed spatial video as having parallax when it actually doesnt have it. Ironically, iPhone and Vision Pro both have depth sensors that could be used to add a depth map and parallax to the video but they didn’t use it.

Got it. But still, they can improve it if the hardware is there and maybe that is why the hardware was priority one, yes? It was an interesting point about the iPhone 15 is not as good as the Vision Pro for shooting. Makes sense to me that the distance between the lenses could be why. Do you see any reason why a future iPhone would be unable to spread out those lenses to improve on this? After all, in landscape the phone really is about as far apart as our own eyes?

@@Erginartesia in theory they could create an iPhone that has two lenses that are the typical 64.5mm apart. The problem is that iPhone needs the three lenses to be very close to each other so that it can use all three lenses for computational photography. When you take a photo with iPhone, it uses multiple cameras at the same time to improve the image quality. If the lenses were far apart for 3D then it couldn’t do that. One solution would be to add a fourth camera just for 3D but I don’t know if Apple would go that far. Rather than depending on two lenses to make a stereoscopic image, Apple could instead use the LiDAR sensor to create a 3d photo or video. I hope they do that in the future.

For almost everyone, yes Quest 3 is much more practical.

When you move side to side or up or down, all that happens is the image gets skewed. This is exactly the same as normal 3D photos or videos. But the background doesn't change. So there is no parallax. The only parallax effect is from the frame around the 3D photo or 3D video. THere is a distance between the window and the spatial video so that part shows parallax. But that's due to the depth of the window, not the spatial video.

You're right. I believe both Apple and Meta want to do that, although it is several years away. But definitely coming...

That’s exactly it. They had to call it something else to justify the price.

Quest can show 3D photos and videos but the update adds compatibility with Apple’s own 3D format for spatial video.

@@360vroomers Since update v62 the thumbnails on the Meta TV app are 3D. Looks like with Apple's release they push this feature, which they had done without Apple.

@robrob2835 you already got v62? Nice!

@@360vroomers With Public Test Channel (PTC) enabled I have it for a few days.

lol. in some ways it is better than Quest 3 such as the display and the passthrough camera. But if I had to have only one VR headset, I would keep my q3.

I don’t mind if they want to charge customers a premium. That’s their choice. But they shouldn’t show it doing something it can’t do (parallax).

I’m surprised that they lied to us about spatial video because the technology to actually fulfill their claims WAS there. It’s like you have a stable of wagyu cows and in your ads you show wagyu steak but you actually sell regular beef. Apple could have used the depth sensors in the iPhone and Vision Pro to capture images with real depth and parallax but instead they just used regular 3D while depicting it as 3D with parallax.

True. I would say even the original Samsung gear VR from many years ago could do all those. It is pretty ballsy of Apple to act like they are the first.

3D is a copy of spatial video! 😂

lol well I hope they are happy with their purchase. We’ll just quietly enjoy our VR headsets.

Uhuh it would have been nice if it had been 3D 180 or VR180 but it’s just regular 3D.

If Apple had used the depth sensors in the iPhone and Vision Pro then they could have added a limited parallax effect (it will show a change in perspective if you move your head a few inches to either side). I don’t know why they didn’t use that capability at all.

@@360vroomers so just to confirm, if i was to record me walking around in a video game in VR, and re watch it in the VR headset, thats nothing like the Apple Vision Pro would be like? Like could i walk around my house recording with the apple vision pro, then replay the video in the headset, and feel like im actually walking around my house again. Like i said, i dont want to watch a rectangle video of it, i want to experience it like i originally did.

Really? To me the navigation is one of the better aspects of the Vision Pro. Works better than quest controllers.

Do you agree with what he said - that just adding the shadow box effect means it has parallax?

For me, the sad part is that they could have added parallax if they had used the depth sensor in the iPhone and Vision Pro but they didn’t.

@@360vroomers this will come with vision pro 2 for the mere price of 6000$.

Hi Jimmy. That's right there are several types of 3D videos out there, with regular 3D like this on one end and volumetric 6DOF video on the opposite end. As for believing youtubers, they have the right to an opinion but they also need to be truthful. So my mistake was assuming that they would be truthful and knowledgeable.

I’m not complaining about the price. If Apple wants to sell it at a premium then more power to them. But I am upset that the way they showed spatial video in the ads was misleading.

I don't have any complaints about the change in name, such as "spatial computing." Everything they showed in the ads for its spatial computing capabilities is indeed doable. But with spatial videos, they showed something it could not do -- the parallax effect. That's why I was disappointed. Even more disappointing was the fact that their current technology CAN add a parallax effect because they have depth sensors on both the iPhone 15 Pro and Vision Pro, but they didn't use the depth sensors.

Hi Jose. So from your perspective, which of these is true? 1. Apple did not show any parallax. 2. Apple showed parallax but there is indeed parallax.

There's absolutely parallax bro, is theres something that I'm missing. I can view the pictures and videos from different angles.​@@360vroomers

Retina display was their way of saying a resolution so high that it’s indistinguishable from regular vision. I suppose meaning the pixels are too small for people to see. It was indeed very high resolution. But spatial video is just 3D and has no parallax unlike what they showed in their ads.

@@360vroomers I know, but it is a marketing term that means nothing. It depends on visual acuity, distance to the observer, screen size, etc. On a phone it meant 300 ppi, on a mac it meant 200 ppi. A ton of android phones had 4-inch 720p displays in 2012, which was higher resolution than iPhones (342 vs 326 ppi). In fact, 1080p screens on other phone brands started in 2012 with htc and were pretty standard in 2013, and I remember my iPhone friends bragging about their "retina displays" that were in fact lower resolution. First iPhone with a 1080p display (going over 400 ppi) was the 6 plus in late 2014. My point is that apple often rebrands existing tech and sells it as innovation. Saying the AVP is not VR or AR or MR, but "spatial computing" is another example, "spatial video" is just a rebrand of 3D video that is not even immersive.

Hey there Jason. If you say I am wrong, try this experiment. Hold out your finger (in real life) with a distant object behind it. As you move your head side to side notice how the distant object changes position. That is parallax. Now take a spatial video of your finger in front of the same distant object. When viewing the spatial video, move your head side to side. If the distant object in the video changes position in relation to your finger in the video, then yes there is parallax and I am wrong. So pls do this experiment and let me know if you still think I'm wrong about parallax.

Yes I hope that the next generation of phones will make NeRF easier. I think iPhone 15 Pro was a missed opportunity. It has a depth sensor but it didn't occur to Apple to use it for spatial video.... sigh.