Ken and Barbara Martin, along with their three daughters -- Barbara, 14, Virginia, 12, and 10-year-old Sue -- drove to the Gorge in 1958. They were never seen or heard from again. More details: www.koin.com/n...
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@jparker59able3 жыл бұрын
The fact that two of the sisters bodies surfaced after they disturbed the car says a lot.
@RevLeigh552 ай бұрын
I think it was an accident and not a murder. Two bodies managed to get free of the wreckage after it was disturbed. I can’t believe they didn’t drag that area of the lake after the bodies surfaced.
@horrortackleharry5 жыл бұрын
I'm no conspiracy theorist- but it sounds like there were some well-connected people who didn't want this solved....
@purebloodheretic46825 жыл бұрын
Yeh- I think your Right!👍
@mejustme4795 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@TheSharron5 жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@BRAVENEWORDERFILMS5 жыл бұрын
"Conspiracy theory" is such an overused term meant to disparage anyone who dares question the mainstream narrative... Definition:conspiracy-noun, plural con·spir·a·cies. the act of conspiring. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose. Law.an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act. any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result. I think that sums up how ALL the oligarchs/ multinational banking/ corporate conglomerates operate throughout the entire world...🤔
@kheventplanner5 жыл бұрын
I agree
@missinginbc5 жыл бұрын
Detectives- "Oh, we know the car went over the cliff here." don't bother to search the water....weird.
@LB-gz3ke4 жыл бұрын
That's just it, they don't know for sure. They have two bodies. One gun that was found NOT in the abandoned cons vehicle but in that area. That and tire tracks. Could Kenneth have murdered his family and tossed them in the river? Then drove off and tossed the gun out a window? Could he have murdered them and pushed the car in, then left on foot, tossed the gun and took a bus off to a new life? If Don set this up, how did he get that gun to the cons? He took it with him in the military and mailed it to them? He was home on leave and met them in a bar or something? Where is the connection between cons, gun and Don? This case is ridiculous.
@nunyabiznez63814 жыл бұрын
Ever search a river? Thought not. If you had searched this river you wouldn't have survived long enough to type your comment. Murky fast moving rivers are extremely dangerous. It's not really even safe to put a boat in that river let along divers. Dredging is not possible due to the extremely rocky bottom. Cameras won't work because of no visibility. The only reasonably safe way to search this river is to divert it. Want to cough up the hundreds of millions of dollars that will cost?
@karldammann4 жыл бұрын
@@nunyabiznez6381 I just read it's 4000 feet deep, good luck diving that in 1958...
@karldammann4 жыл бұрын
I just looked up the Columbia River Gorge, took me all of 3 seconds. It's 4000 feet deep, good luck diving it in 1958 or modern day for that matter. I just looked up the deepest a man can dive and the world record for scuba is 1000 feet set in 2014.
@markuse34724 жыл бұрын
@@karldammann 4 HUNDRED, Not thousand. It's between 400 to 1200 feet as depth varies.
@cindyfrench34515 жыл бұрын
They never talked to the 2 guys at the same restaurant? They didn't dredge the river? Some shoddy police work!
@bookmiss5 жыл бұрын
Cindy French the two guys at the restaurant were excons the disappeared out of town quite conveniently. Not to be located. Now I know it was 1959. But I do know they didn’t try all that hard Dredging. See the other recent post reply. Answered
@elmermorris80435 жыл бұрын
Not shoddy problem a cover up
@stevemaviver3575 жыл бұрын
I said the same thing how can the grandson be at two place at once. The criminals in that town know the river and it's obvious raped and stole what money they had. This detective was blinded with frustration saying only one person had a motive.
@sylviacarlson35614 жыл бұрын
You got that right Cindy!
@nunyabiznez63814 жыл бұрын
Dredging a river is not always a simple matter. That river has a rocky bottom. You can't dredge a rocky bottom. Also a river is very dangerous to dive in. The only really good way to inspect the river bottom would be to divert the river.
@stephenschmunk33315 жыл бұрын
This whole thing screams cover up.
@-greentoad3 жыл бұрын
The whole thing screams 1958/1959 Very very different back then.
@bookmiss3 жыл бұрын
If you want a deep dive into this case read any post with replies. Lots of good stuff Or read my book Silent River by C.M. Weaver for the facts in fiction form
@ailleananaithnid25663 жыл бұрын
No, it doesn't. This was 1958 when there was no technology and no such thing as forensics. You watch entirely too much TV.
@OregonSingles3 жыл бұрын
The real Santa was tired of Dad's impersonation every December, maybe?
@NiecieSavo Жыл бұрын
@@ailleananaithnid2566 they had fingerprinting. The gun was found on land so they could have fingerprinted it?
@gingercox64685 жыл бұрын
I can't believe they didn't go diving to find the car.
@janbadinski71265 жыл бұрын
It wasn't that common 50 years ago. Most likely they didn't have a diver to look, too.
@TheLadyDiazepam5 жыл бұрын
You mean scuba???? Only Jacques Cousteau and navy frogmen scuba dived back then.
@scottjustscott37305 жыл бұрын
You would think in 60+ years somebody would've gone down there to have a look around. Maybe conditions aren't favorable for diving? If that were the case you would think the remains and even the car would've traveled some distance downriver over the decades.
@truerosie5 жыл бұрын
Now they can scan with ultrasound to limit the area for a diver to go.
@WitchidWitchid5 жыл бұрын
@@janbadinski7126 They could have contacted Mike Nelson. He'd have made the dive.
@TheSeanm1025 жыл бұрын
cant believe the cops gave the gun back to the guy who found it
@81eagle5 жыл бұрын
I can. Things were different back then. Now a days no.
@mejustme4795 жыл бұрын
Seriously! I agree, its evidence. And lok how she is handling it, terrible. It was a bleggoning device to kill. Probably after it jammed or he ran out of bullets to fire. OMG, dont need to be a detective to figure that out. 😡 So Mwd at the police 1958 Police Department
@StarAnnasDream5 жыл бұрын
Me Justme it was 1958.
@mlr45245 жыл бұрын
Or didn't process the evidence for posterity.
@Fandango5415 жыл бұрын
Seriously!!! That's how batshit dumb people were back in those days.
@rachabeff32125 жыл бұрын
Thanks to everyone involved in the production of this mini documentary. It was nicely put together and respectful.
@edithgold62905 жыл бұрын
Why didnt Don claim his 2 sisters ashes..that in itself is very odd.. their ashes sat in a cold funeral home for 10 years..how horrible!!
@beer1for2break3fast45 жыл бұрын
Exactly. What kind of human was he? Brutal.
@Dawnsdelightsart5 жыл бұрын
Sadly leaving behind family ashes happen often.
@imcavdb54655 жыл бұрын
Just ashes, dust. No person anymore.
@Jen-X3335 жыл бұрын
@@imcavdb5465 true, but it's a respect thing.
@Lisabug26595 жыл бұрын
Dawns Delights Art just happened to see your comment.... a tenant moved out and left the ashes of their Father amongst the garbage..... I literally called the local police department and a funeral home as to how to legally handle the situation.... After all, out of human respect, the handling of his remains deserved better than to be set out with trash. What kind of human being just leaves the cremations for 10 years and “misses” the Memorial......
@aliciarenouf30955 жыл бұрын
I cant believe the grandchildren decided they didnt want to know anythijg about their grandparents. Wow thats cold, but i guess deep down they knew their dad was responsible
@bookmiss5 жыл бұрын
Alicia Renouf they didn’t know anything about it until the above contact. Jeff said he went back and they refused to talk. The media tends to rip open people’s personal lives exposing their theories to public opinion. This is what Donald didn’t want. They aren’t hiding anything illegal or criminal. They just want privacy. How would you like the media knocking at your door with cameras exposing something you did as a kid? Now it’s being misconstrued and you family knows. You have to explain it wasn’t like that but people only want gritty details. I totally understand what why Donald did what he did
@aliciarenouf30955 жыл бұрын
@@bookmiss ok so what your saying is they were curious but the interviewers only wanted it aired to the world, not handled in private??????
@bookmiss5 жыл бұрын
Alicia Renouf they weren’t given a choice. They had no idea what was going on. they were curious about what a TV guy was asking about. After they had a family talk. I think one sister had some knowledge about a story but was afraid other personal info might be misconstrued or twisted so declined to talk to Jeff. Yes, media tend to sensationalize what they want in order to get a reaction
@bookmiss5 жыл бұрын
v- r-m what do Soviet spy’s have to do with this event? Just wondering
@bookmiss5 жыл бұрын
v- r-m not to any satisfaction but it has a great life.
@mikerca5 жыл бұрын
50 years and just now “considering” a dive mission ? Great investigative work guys !
@refinnej53023 жыл бұрын
They have searched it many times. They just now have better equipment to search it again.
@irisenamorado3 жыл бұрын
62 years now. I was born a year later 1959. I am 61
@mainemermaid65963 жыл бұрын
@@irisenamorado I'm close in age to you. [Please be careful about putting your birth year, or any other personal info, on the internet. There are a lot scammers out there! (especially since you're using your real name on KZfaq too. Consider changing your name to something else, as most of us do. It's not worth the risk.) ❤
@kimnicks85903 жыл бұрын
They should of sent a dive team years ago after the anchor hooked on something, and then the 2 girls were found a week later.
@Fluffimuff3 жыл бұрын
@@kimnicks8590 They should have
@judieg.79454 жыл бұрын
I also attended Rose City Park grade school in N.E. Portland. My friend, a boy in my class, was invited to go with this family on this trip. He didn't go and when he told me the family disappeared it was so terrible. Knowing that a close friend of mine could have been missing as well, and feeling so badly for the poor family, was the first event of such magnitude I had seen as a child. Back then strange things did not happen so frequently as they seem to now. I never forgot about the family and the close call of my friend. Amazing to find this video.
@bookmiss4 жыл бұрын
Judie G. Why didn’t he go? His choice or theirs? I heard a friend wanted to go too but had a cold. Good thing
@judieg.79454 жыл бұрын
@@bookmiss I don't recall that he even said why. We were very shocked and didn't even say too much about it. It was so scary, and sad too. I wondered after watching the video if the son was in contact with the family before the trip.
@bookmiss4 жыл бұрын
Judie G. No one knows for sure. I’m sure he was aware of the “situation” but I believe he was shocked that it happened. Later he know the score and who was involved and kept him mouth shut or he’d have been next
@dlbstl Жыл бұрын
Just so you know, "Adventures with purpose", found the car.
@catdog71065 Жыл бұрын
@dlbsti-is Adventures with purpose on KZfaq? I love watching those type video’s when old cars are found.
@dianneD275 жыл бұрын
Never heard about this before . Sad story, very strange
@jjmar563 жыл бұрын
First time I heard of this. I am a Martin. My family ended up in California in the early 1930's and emigrated from Germany in the 1600's. Don't know if there is any relationship but hope someone gets on this and solves it.
@piggykhan5 жыл бұрын
Gave the bloody gun back to the man who found it? Without even testing it?!?! Awesome detective work boys!!! 🤤🔫
@loopthetube5 жыл бұрын
What kind of test?
@XiaoGuanYin1045 жыл бұрын
@@loopthetube ballistics
@loopthetube5 жыл бұрын
@@XiaoGuanYin104 they had not recovered any bullets from the victims unless I missed something.
@axelsoncarla4 жыл бұрын
piggykhan testing for what. 1959 they didn’t have dna testing. They were barely up to speed on fingerprints. They couldn’t have imagined what technology would come up with 50 years later
@bostonblackie95034 жыл бұрын
It's like O. J. Simpson asking for his gloves back!
@jaydenp49755 жыл бұрын
If the titanic can be found with today’s modern technology there should be no problem finding that missing car in a river
@jjmar563 жыл бұрын
The Titanic isn't under tons of rocks. The swimming pools still have water in them though. -jjmartin
@refinnej53023 жыл бұрын
There's a huge difference in an ocean and a river and a huge difference in a car and cruise ship. A lot of people have looked for that car and no one has found it.
@eviehammond95093 жыл бұрын
Lets not forget, they're still looking for MH370 the jet that went missing just 5+ years ago.
@trisharowland22573 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing ! Adventure with purpose should be called !!!
@thisisme32383 жыл бұрын
@@trisharowland2257 Adventure with a Purpose has a video out on this is...they looked and it was not found by them.
@elizabethtrainer97323 жыл бұрын
Wait. They believe the car is in the water and no one thought to send diver's down? Wtf?!
@angelika_munkastrap46343 жыл бұрын
Yup, and find two bodies and all as proof and still nothing, ridiculous
@MsGenXodus3 жыл бұрын
Likely, they didn't have people or equipment available at that time in rural Oregon (Cascade Locks is still considered fairly rural today, even with modern interstate highways). By the time this happened, the ship building yards of WW2 were gone, and skilled scuba divers along with them. Police didn't have nearly the budgets that they do today, either. All in all, they just didn't have the resources to conduct this kind of investigation, especially for a cold case.Hopefully it'll be solved one day.
@banker13133 жыл бұрын
@@MsGenXodus but they do now....
@howabouthetruth21573 жыл бұрын
@@MsGenXodus Sorry, but I'm not buying that. There were countless cases all over the country, even long before this case, regardless of how "rural" the area, where divers were used to search for cars, bodies, etc. Especially when considering the fact a detective found paint on the rocks that matched the car. That fact alone was reason enough to hire a couple divers. No mention of them preserving blood samples off the gun either, for possible DNA testing decades later. Lots of blood samples from other cold cases decades ago that were of no help then, were tested decades later via the advanced technology of DNA, resulting in new evidence that resulted in solving many of these cold cases. I think it was poor & shoddy police work, pure & simple. Whoever was in charge, and failed to hire divers.....well, shame on them.
@MsGenXodus3 жыл бұрын
@@howabouthetruth2157 If the police in Oregon are extremely incompetent today, they were way worse in the 1950's. Remember how the federal government had to send in troops last summer (2020)? Yeah, the cops here aren't exactly "world class." Just because it is possible to do a thing, doesn't mean there are competent people available to do it.
@lauraduplooy5 жыл бұрын
That was really well done and nicely presented. Thank you.
@MegaCashmagnet5 жыл бұрын
Why didn't they dredge up that car after the pole hit some metal?
@LouLou-Aus3 жыл бұрын
It was late 1950's. They didn't have very good technology or scuba gear back then.
@banker13133 жыл бұрын
Yes I would think even when they were able to access the gear this would have ben done....unreal they still haven't yet...
@bookmiss3 жыл бұрын
@@banker1313 they didn’t know it was a car. Only after Walter questioned them did they come to that conclusion along with the discovery of the two youngest girls bodies. BUT the story was squashed by the Chief of Police. He didn’t come right out and refute the fact the investigation continued to move in the Cascade lock area. Fact: they were threatened with death if they continued to follow the cars location story
@truepeace33 жыл бұрын
Or before! They had evidence that the car may have gone over the cliff into the water because of the tire tracks and white paint that was found.
@truepeace33 жыл бұрын
@@LouLou-Aus Maybe they could have hired a company with a barge and anchor.
@NickPenlee3 жыл бұрын
The son arranged with the 2 other criminals to kill his parents and sisters, and he also provided the gun, which he'd stolen previously! He didn't attend the funeral due to a date mix-up; yeh right. He didn't claim the ashes of some family members! If you could look under the crossed out name in the detective's note book you'd probably see the son's name written down! Motive is everything!
@sharonmeans58602 жыл бұрын
I believe son done murdered his family
@malina12392 жыл бұрын
Ashes of the missing family😳😳😳
@aggiev85612 жыл бұрын
Do you know if there was any recorded connections that the three men had? It would for sure have to be pre planned, seeing how far they would have had to follow them from their home.
@NickPenlee2 жыл бұрын
@@aggiev8561 Don't have any reliable info on that; sorry.
@pinup_charmer3348 Жыл бұрын
Yes in the book it said it was Donald's name crossed out.
@teresae73225 жыл бұрын
I would think, if that gun was covered in blood, there could be a chance that white pearl plate on the side of the handle could be popped off and somehow come up with DNA... Possibly using a close family member to compare to.
@suzvalentino19015 жыл бұрын
I said the exact same thing, they need to do some serious work on this case.
@shananagans55 жыл бұрын
Finding anything now would be a long shot. It has been repaired and cleaned god knows how many times. I just can't believe they gave it back to the guy that found it. Had it been sitting in an evidence bag all these years it certainly would yield useful information.
@MichelleJune675 жыл бұрын
There is absolutely no way to get DNA off the gun at this point. It was repaired cleaned and handled by to many people. I honestly do not understand why they have never searched the water. I mean it is a strange thing when the anchor seemed to hit something then 2 of the 5 bodies show up. I also want to add SHAME on the family of the son for not even wanting to solve this... do they know something and are trying to protect their Dads memory? Seems odd to me. The need to go in that water and bring that car up.
@cynthiawaldorf93535 жыл бұрын
me too except they said it had been cleaned and repaired and after that many years who knows it may have been wet too long, or just gone from cleaning
@user-rh5yf2wz8l5 жыл бұрын
Same thought came to me as well.
@bettyechols64055 жыл бұрын
Whether accident, or foul play, the vehicle is in the water...it is odd that the brother didn't pick up the ashes for 10 yrs
@celiagorleski27165 жыл бұрын
He missed the memorial service so I doubt if he ever retrieved the ashes.
@melissadawson46685 жыл бұрын
@Betty Echol I think they said that the brother never did pick them up... They said something about that no one know where their ashes are at, and I think they insinuated that the funeral home got rid of them for lack of space. But I may be mistaken... Anyone out there know? Long day, too tired to watch it again.
@tomservo569545 жыл бұрын
There are ashes of people who died of natural or unquestioned causes who aren't claimed...possible guilt isn't the only reason
@celiagorleski27165 жыл бұрын
@@tomservo56954 But in many cases there's no next of kim. The brother had the responsibility to do something with the ashes. I'm sure they could have been buried at the local cemetary unless he was too cheap to do it. I realize he hardly knew his sisters, but he was still next of kin and only one to inherit the estate. The caretaker could have buried them and sent him the bill.
@beckymasoner75295 жыл бұрын
@@melissadawson4668 Several years ago KOIN or one of the local papers, or one of the other local channels in Portland Oregon, did a piece on cremains that go unclaimed. It actually happens quite a bit. Sad. But not criminal.
@babigurlparadise2 жыл бұрын
The name he crossed out was Donald, the son. It’s all in a book called “Echo of Distant Water” based on the disappearance. I hope the car is one day found bc I’m sure the other family members are still inside. RIP
@karensheline6958 Жыл бұрын
I agree
@kirpdeb Жыл бұрын
I thought that it has been found.
@hollyvanness6086 Жыл бұрын
It's reported that AWP found and recovered the car confirmed to be theirs
@kimberlymorrison3474 Жыл бұрын
No dive team has ever went searching?
@bookmiss Жыл бұрын
@@hollyvanness6086 I don’t think so they went down but couldn’t find it for sure
@DEKMAN994 жыл бұрын
This is no mystery, that cold hearted son , Donald , did it.
@02chevyguy4 жыл бұрын
He probably confessed to his daughter, and that's why they changed their mind about the interview.
@kjlandon91404 жыл бұрын
Fucking trump I knew it Or the duck.
@Benzo18184 жыл бұрын
wasn't he in New York at the time of disappearance?
@RaoulThomas0074 жыл бұрын
He is the only one in the story with motive. Detective Graven knew that! The son probably blamed his father in some way related to the theft. The only way for him to inherit the family estate was if the family was no more! RIP!
@GlennaVan3 жыл бұрын
@@RaoulThomas007 What was his motive? Blamed his father for his own stealing, seriously? Inheriting the family estate? First, since he was the only living member of the immediate family, it would go to him anyway unless a will stated differently after there was proof of death via a court. Did anyone ever state what the "estate" consisted of? Because he was the family member still living, everything - assets and bills - would go to him unless a will stated differently. There is an awfully lot left out of this video that simply reading the Wikipedia article and following all the citations would reveal.
@jenniferg27992 жыл бұрын
I can not fathom missing my siblings' memorial services, allowing their remains to sit on a shelf for 10 years and not bring them home, and to never teach my children about their aunts and grandparents unless I had something to do with it! Donald was just heartless, and I am sure that he was judged by his maker! And it's a shame that they had no more Info on where the remains ended up at.
@bookmiss2 жыл бұрын
Jennifer. If they were killed and you returned to the house and tried to do anything, wouldn’t you be afraid to stay around and be killed too?
@daniesza5 жыл бұрын
Why aren’t they dredging the lock/river? Why does Bonnie have that gun, the con men, son never questioned and wtf this is such a mishandled case.
@carlm88215 жыл бұрын
dansza Exactly, exactly, exactly...ALL the evidence in the world was there, the clues were in plain sight and yet NOBODY between all those so-called experts could solve this. Total disgrace and shame to American law enforcement!
@robynbell86845 жыл бұрын
So sad, I like the narraters voice nice and calm and to the point!!
@marhayesdwayne93945 жыл бұрын
Its jeff gianola. News anchor. He is hilarious
@RaoulThomas0074 жыл бұрын
This is an excellent mini-documentary. Top notch!
@jeraleewood59693 жыл бұрын
Andventures With Purpose from Bend Oregon, is diving amd trying to find the Martins car. They said to read the book. Check them out. They have solved many Cold Cases all over the USA!
@joannsmith1505 жыл бұрын
They have technology now that can see what is written underneath a scribbled out area. Why isn't that being done in this case?
@gilmanIII5 жыл бұрын
Exactly what I was thinking!
@sagrammyfour5 жыл бұрын
It was done. The name Donald was revealed. He was the only one with motive.
@hebneh4 жыл бұрын
There's another TV news story also on KZfaq that shows that the word "Donald" is under the blacked-out box.
@jodyvance23743 жыл бұрын
They have a video with two professional divers from Portland Oregon and the rivers in that area there are a lot of caves were a car can hide it is hard to find I believe the car will be found if the divers go deep in to the caves get the book that was written on the matin family it tells a lot about a cover up and how tons of rocks were dumped on the area were the car went down u should read the book echo of distant waters that is the name of the book written about the Martin family
@GlennaVan3 жыл бұрын
@@jodyvance2374 Please don't imply the "tons of rocks" dumped into the river had anything to do with this event. All along the river huge rocks/boulders are dumped in the river to keep the river banks from eroding. It has nothing to do with any coverup! It's called ballast and is an ongoing practice and has been for many decades and vital to keep the river within its current banks.
@autobug25 жыл бұрын
I don't understand--in `59, a boat's anchor 'snagged' on something 'metal' and the two girls' bodies were found. Sounds like the car got jostled in the water by the anchor (?). Why weren't divers sent down there to investigate? Why was no effort at the time in `59 made to retrieve the car/bodies? It is as if police simply gave up!! WAY too many unanswered questions here; even if cops back then were of the "Mayberry" variety.
@paulmyers14665 жыл бұрын
A rural county sheriff, probably elected with no law enforcement experience, virtually no funds available to pay for boat, crew, divers, equipment.
@beckymasoner75295 жыл бұрын
In another article I read it indicated that divers were sent down, but were nearly killed during the dive so they discontinued diving.
@hebneh4 жыл бұрын
You can see in the newspaper stories which are shown on screen in this report that divers were in fact used at the time.
@RaoulThomas0074 жыл бұрын
I wonder if LE had a good location where the barge weighed anchor?
@Lisabug26595 жыл бұрын
So.... for years people have searched for the mythical lochness monster but seasoned detectives and law enforcement take NO advantage of technological advancements to solve the disappearance of an entire family.... nor do they take in and process the gun as possible evidence or question the convicts? This is very sad indeed. The deceased family deserved respect and the fact that two bodies that surfaced did not bring on a full out effort to investigate further is very suspicious.
@bookmiss5 жыл бұрын
Lisa Gunnison this is a valid question. You have to know the setting. 1958, they’d just done a public cleanup of corruption in the government around 1956. It was a good show to the public. It was still there so when someone wants something hidden and overlooked, you can show the public you’re searching at one location and doing your job.
@SuzLa15 жыл бұрын
It's like saying why are people making ridiculous theories about 9/11 but ignoring actual evidence of how their government is connected to promoting Islamic extremism. Such as how extremism hardly existed before USA were arming and training extremists in Afghanistan in 80s against Russia. Then USA didn't care what was going on there after. Or how when Thatcher didn't like EU preventing Tories mistreating most British people, such as EU saying workers have enough breaks. Then secret service whistle blower David Shayler told how British government were going along with USA funding Al QAeda against Gaddafi. Now they're funding extremist groups in Syria against Assad and making up lies about Russia for speaking against it. While Britain and USA send arms to backward nation Saudi Arabia
@iheartwaffles915 жыл бұрын
Yup proves a point. How society a whole has less and less morals.
@anonymike82805 жыл бұрын
Lisa, they're gumshoes. They wanted to believe Don was involved even though he was a continent away when the event happened and furthermore had no way of knowing his family's exact itinerary. Pretty obviously, either an accident or a common crime. I would consider who else might have a motive, particularly if Kenneth Martin was involved in any business dealings. But any explanation other than accident or common crime seems unlikely to me. If someone had a grudge against Kenneth, they would have gone after him individually, not the whole family. And how would anyone know exactly where they were going to be at any given moment, unless they followed them or had a network of spotters. All highly implausible. Maybe they could still find the vehicle, but what would be left of it? Probably only the frame, engine, transmission, bumpers and glass. These parts possibly could still tell investigators something, such as whether the vehicle had collided with some object beforing going into the water, or if it had been hit with gunfire through the windows. But to what end? Everyone involved is either deceased or elderly by now. Particulary, all possible suspects and persons of interest are either deceased or in their 80's.
@PeaceDayCortez5 жыл бұрын
Lisa Gunnison spot on
@wendys3905 жыл бұрын
Reading through the comments, lot of sharp people pointing things out, and when you consider those things, this documentary stands out for what it doesn't mention, much more than for what it tells of this sad story! Poor people, poor little girls, going off a cliff into the cold water and death, and laying there still, no one even going looking for them. it's just sad and chilling.
@jjmar563 жыл бұрын
I believe they were dead before the car hit the water. -jjmartin
@GlennaVan3 жыл бұрын
@@jjmar56 The two girls whose bodies were found were determined to have drowned.
@goopah3 жыл бұрын
And even now (the final part of the video), the cop says they now have technology to search the water without divers actually going into the water. WTF?!? Since when did they stop sending divers into the water looking for evidence? Are there now piranhas in the Columbia River or something?
@GlennaVan3 жыл бұрын
@@goopah The Columbia River, because of its depth and its undercurrents, etc., is not the typical diving situation. Additionally, it is highly unlikely the vehicle is now remotely visible given currents and sediment would have covered it decades ago. Unlike a concrete canal, the Columbia River is not a set channel and is changing all the time. The vehicle, not designed to be a water vehicle, has likely deteriorated greatly as well as currents having moved it from its original location, likely multiple times. They are not even certain where it was originally, only best guess. At the time, divers did go into the river and were in great danger - the diving at the best time to have found anything was stopped when one almost lost his life. At the time, the river level was reduced five feet (no small feat for the volume of water!) to aid in the search. Of course, you are welcome to become a trained diver and look for yourself.
@goopah3 жыл бұрын
@@GlennaVan You are of course correct. I posted that off the cuff, without giving it any thought, as where I live, divers are at least once or twice a year called out to look for a body in the Missouri River, and we think nothing of it. But again, two different rivers, and who ever said the Missouri divers aren't taking risks as well. Thanks for straightening me out. Although it would have been nice if the documentary would have addressed that, at least a little bit. :)
@janetsoniatauro16214 жыл бұрын
May their souls rest in peace.a tragic story.it may not be solved, but remember God sees and keeps an account.
@ailleananaithnid25663 жыл бұрын
God? Why not the Easter Bunny or Santa Claus?
@dollydampman26333 жыл бұрын
@@ailleananaithnid2566 you will find out why one day
@eldiamanteazul77753 жыл бұрын
janet sonia tauro · Amen
@donaburns19103 жыл бұрын
A chapter better left closed? That speaks volumes. They don't want the truth.
@jackiehammond52315 жыл бұрын
Had to be the son maybe payed someone . Never went to funeral did collect ashes , come on !
@janbadinski71265 жыл бұрын
That makes him a jerk, not a murderer.
@kerryn67145 жыл бұрын
Cheryl Lynne What about evidence?
@bookmiss5 жыл бұрын
He’s wasn’t a murderer or a sociopath. He was a young man caught in a situation he had nothing to do with. Did he know or suspect who was involved? You bet. Was it worth dying for to tell? No. Telling wouldn’t reverse the death. He couldn’t change his relationship with his parents, they were dead. He went away. I believe, from the fact he kept it all quiet from his kids that he felt bad about what happened. He could not have changed it nor stopped it. It was too late
@JavierBonillaC5 жыл бұрын
Paid, not payed. But I am not a native speaker, so maybe I’m wrong.
@LouLou-Aus5 жыл бұрын
Ohh dear It sounds as though he felt guilty for some reason? I wonder if his life choices were a precursor for this tragic event..??
@pdmullgirl5 жыл бұрын
I think it would be horrible to never find out what happened to my parents and my sisters!! Why haven’t divers ever looked for them? Sad story.
@daniellebrothers36885 жыл бұрын
I live in the Pacific NW, very close to the scene. The river is incredibly powerful and dangerous. The height of the cliffs and the depths of the river would have made it something a small city police dept prob couldn't afford.
@daria40825 жыл бұрын
They would only be able to afford it if the people missing were celebrities or a government official
@beckymasoner75295 жыл бұрын
In another article I read, it indicated that divers were used at one point, but were nearly killed during the dive so they suspended the dive effort.
@winkieblink7625 Жыл бұрын
There’s a reason THE SON DONALD never pursued his missing family. So VERY obvious.
@michelleevans5531 Жыл бұрын
Adventures With Purpose did several months ago. I'll have to re-watch to see if the car was found or not. Things have been crazy busy for us this year.
@kaitlynndee48955 жыл бұрын
This is stellar work for a local news piece
@dpiroch3 жыл бұрын
One has to wonder why the brother would not have come for three months after his family's death, why he missed the ceremony and why he neglected even to bury his sisters. Rather appalling.
@kathyh48045 жыл бұрын
I can’t brlieve after all these years there was no sonar scan or divers to search..... that should have been one of the first procedures since they saw the tire tracks
@bookmiss5 жыл бұрын
Kathy H they tried. There are so many large items that are metal in the river it would cost lots of money and time to scavenge miles of the river. From where the barge hooked the car and dropped it, the current probably took it further down the river. That’s a lot of area to scan. They did some scanning recently I heard but didn’t find anything conclusive.
@bookmiss5 жыл бұрын
William Elliott What Family? They all died. Are you talking about his sister or Donald?
@bookmiss5 жыл бұрын
William Elliott sorry I reread your question. Yes they had information that might cause someone an embarrassment or infringement on their character. It’s one of those “we need to keep information off record as it’s an open case”. I’d love to know what they think they have they can’t talk about. We’ll see what they say when my book comes out. Oh yes mine is FICTION
@bookmiss5 жыл бұрын
William Elliott thank you. It’s tough to respond to what happened from the video clip and posts. It’s a very convoluted story. Quite interesting for the time. A look at the corruption in Portland. Like all true crime it’s the research that pulls people. I love True Crime podcasts. Some day I hope my favorite people take on this unsolved mystery
@bookmiss5 жыл бұрын
William Elliott I wish they were all that easy. Sometimes the perfect crime is committed and there is no smoking gun pointing to the perp. Sometimes they walk around with a smirk knowing that got away with it. And everyone dies
@GaySingleMulatto5 жыл бұрын
What a miscarriage of justice! Their vehicle was driven into the locks: the father is still down there. The fugitives or ex-cons did it; and they were paid by the son who provided the weapon. To get the family estate money.
@vadaminot4295 жыл бұрын
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@anneraso56215 жыл бұрын
Also to get insurance money. It is too bad gun was wiped clean. They could have done DNA tests on the blood that the detective’s daughter said used to be on it before it was fixed.
@vadaminot4295 жыл бұрын
@@anneraso5621 ... Oh? How much insurance money was there??
@anneraso56215 жыл бұрын
Lynn Guine I do not know. I am just assuming that the father had an insurance policy with his wife and kids as beneficiaries so son Don had to get rid of all of them to get the money to himself.
@vadaminot4295 жыл бұрын
@@anneraso5621 ... I heard there was no insurance money...to speak of. But he did not get along well with his parents!
@zencreature5 жыл бұрын
No divers, no dredging, all those years, and the anchor hooking onto something? LAZINESS.
@refinnej53023 жыл бұрын
They did dive. They couldn't dredge it because it is filled with massive boulders and rocks. Anchors hook onto a lot of things, so?? Laziness is jumping to conclusions without actually researching the topic.
@meltcmelinda40125 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a family member was involved or the ex cons, as for the son who could have cared less about his family Disappearing he looks pretty suspicious. Who lets their two sisters ashes sir for ten years And doesn’t attend their funeral. As for the gun , someone dropped the ball. All the clues pointing to murder
@npaddock5975 жыл бұрын
Melinda TC
@loubowen80825 жыл бұрын
why have they not searched the river with soanar
@janbadinski71265 жыл бұрын
It's a very, very deep river in that area. I used to live in Portland.
@cynlovespugs5 жыл бұрын
I believe sonar will catch it if it can catch stuff in the ocean....
@MasterofScrutiny5 жыл бұрын
@@cynlovespugs Sonar would show a large object in the river of course.
@kari74035 жыл бұрын
@@cynlovespugs Exactly. The loch Ness is incredibly deep. And there has been a couple sonar scannings of the bottom of the loch, in search of Nessie.
@KoraCarlson5 жыл бұрын
According to Wikipedia, " Further searches of the water were undertaken by both sonar and helicopter, but were unfruitful. The search for Kenneth, Barbara, and Barbie was subsequently suspended after a search diver nearly drowned."
@georgeelmerdenbrough69065 жыл бұрын
The youngest kid would be 70 ...were they to have survived
@bookmiss5 жыл бұрын
Andrew Gardener and given the fact her brother died a few years ago, anyone involved may be dead or comfortably sitting around knowing the truth will never be told after he dies.
@katlabash32595 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed the video and I truly hope there’s going to be a part two. I’ll be watching for it. Thank you
@Ladybug-uf7uh3 жыл бұрын
This just makes me angry: somebody got away with murders.
@jethrobodine92995 жыл бұрын
Why did they not send divers down in the 1950s ?
@bookmiss5 жыл бұрын
there was a conspiracy that had the police at Cascade not on the cliffs.
@nicodemus3695 жыл бұрын
Right?
@missesvee51325 жыл бұрын
Tina Weaver I don't understand what you are saying. Can you explain please ?
@nicodemus3695 жыл бұрын
Sounds like Tina’s saying the police were looking in the wrong place at the time because of some craziness that was going-on.
@bookmiss5 жыл бұрын
Yes. Walter was looking up by The Dalles but he was pulled off the case. If you’re interested two book will be published this year. My book next month. Silent River a fiction and JB Fisher’s book Echo of Distant Water in August. His is a non-fiction and very good
@joyceyagoda42075 жыл бұрын
I found the son, Donald’s obit. In 1958, he was 27 years old. He became a school teacher. It said he was born in Portland but never listed his predeceased family members! He died in Hawaii in 2004 at the age of 73. I wonder if he ever thought about his predeceased siblings. He also had one older son and 3 daughters. He did not pay for his crime on this earth but he is paying for it, now!
@janbadinski71265 жыл бұрын
If he did it. You have to stay objective to find the truth.
@kerryn67145 жыл бұрын
Joyce Yagoda What do you mean by “he’s paying for it now?”.
@bookmiss5 жыл бұрын
Epic Quintessence part right. He lived with a girlfriend in NY or at least shared an apartment with her. He did not commit any crime. Except-to keep his mouth shut. He stayed away from anything that would link him to what happened. You could imagine living here and every so often Ann Sullivan would print an update and there would be a flurry of speculation, as we see here. He wanted his family to have as normal a life as he could
@carolcraine51295 жыл бұрын
@Epic Quintessence I thought he married & had children.
@tdublakeo5 жыл бұрын
Where does that info (that son Donald was disowned by his family for being in a same-sex relationship) come from? And if that's true, where did Donald's 4 children come from?
@YlvaBjarnson3 жыл бұрын
You need to bring in the team called adventures with purpose. They have solved many missing cases. They go into the water at find the cars which has the bodies then the police take over
@ashleyconnor88913 жыл бұрын
They’ve been there. I saw their underwater video, boulders down there are huge. Car could be buried and they would’ve gone right past it
@kellycranford35923 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same exact thing!!! Bet they would find it if it is there!!
@TI77Y7ACE3 жыл бұрын
Yes they’ve already did a search for them.. there’s a video on their channel
@pinup_charmer3348 Жыл бұрын
They actually did do a dive on the location and that's how I discovered this story. They couldn't do anything though it was impossible at this point and quite dangerous considering the current and the massive Boulders that are underwater in those locations.
@Mike-im5bo4 жыл бұрын
There is a difference in knowing who committed a crime, and proving it in court.
@marilynbrown52742 жыл бұрын
It's now a question of who committed the crime. Suspects are dead.
@katiesioux77572 жыл бұрын
Back then you didn't need as much proof
@waderaney75 жыл бұрын
Nice to see that people do care😊
@daria40825 жыл бұрын
About?
@waderaney75 жыл бұрын
About?,a 😢 case never to be forgotten😊
@janbadinski71265 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it is. Even now it's too plausible for anyone to ignore this awful event.
@kerryn67145 жыл бұрын
Jan Badinski What is too plausible?
@bookmiss5 жыл бұрын
@@kerryn6714 the facts are real. The WHY? is what no one will be able to figure out
@kathysmitherman56433 жыл бұрын
Call Jared with "Adventures with Purpose" They locate missing vehicles of lost people all of the time. They have equipment for underwater searches and are divers.
@TI77Y7ACE3 жыл бұрын
They did a search! There’s a vid on their channel .. they did a lot of concentration on the area where the tire marks were found
@ailleananaithnid25663 жыл бұрын
And they looked into this case & found nothing but a few crappy old liquor bottles. The most profound result of their searches was how much litter people throw in the Columbia River.
@CindyHeff5 жыл бұрын
the way cops handled/dismissed ...count them in
@-greentoad3 жыл бұрын
Things were very different in 1958/1959. Not like today at all
@WendysCove5 жыл бұрын
RAISE THE CAR SIMPLE FOLKS FIR PITY SAKE.
@refinnej53023 жыл бұрын
Raise it from where? They would have to find it first and they never could find it.
@ChelseaSierraK.5 жыл бұрын
0:45 video said "they have 3 daughters". 0:24 shows family photo with unknown male. Immediately thought it was him. 3:17 video says male is their son. (wtf, why wouldn't you state that at the same time when mentioning the daughters) way to be confusing. Why wasn't the car pulled out when it was hit with the anchor?? The suspect whose name was scratched out in the detectives notes, is probably the one who scratched out the name.
@justjess-zl3pm5 жыл бұрын
And how did that suspect get the damn notes out of the detective times personal things after his death genius?
@ChelseaSierraK.5 жыл бұрын
@@justjess-zl3pm At gunpoint with threats, pinhead!!
@GlennaVan3 жыл бұрын
They did try to hook onto the object with an anchor, unsuccessfully and sent divers down. Also, they don't know it was the car, described as "a heavy object" which may have even been an odd shaped boulder. It is assumed it was a car, their car verified by the bodies found downstream. It may also be a really bizarre series of events.
@wendys3905 жыл бұрын
So as this went on, i kept waiting for them to describe the results of their search of the water beneath the area where they found the tire tracks, and/or the area where the two bodies were found...and now I'm sitting here at the end of it trying to wrap my head around the fact THEY'VE STILL NEVER SEARCHED IT. Wouldn't that be your first next move after finding the tracks, and I can't imagine the story even going on from that point without mentioning any dive, which apparently never occurred to anybody. Is it me, or WTF is wrong with these people? In fact I'd have been too embarrassed to even make this documentary, if I was a part of this group of people that have done exactly nothing about searching for the car in all these years. They make a documentary, but they don't dive the area for the car, it's unbelievable! The cops, the family, nobody mentions it---it's just bizarre, to me. And if they had wanted to, but somehow been unable, it would have been mentioned I'm sure. I just can't get over it. This is the stupidest, weirdest story regarding a disappearance i've ever heard, on account of this. I don't know what to make of it, and it's very sad and terrible. Poor people, lying under the water, and no one even goes to see, even after some of them float to the top, for Christ's sake! It's crazy! Oh yeah-- there was also that metal they thought they hit with that anchor, just before the two little girls' bodies surfaced. What did they do at that point---stand around and remark on what a coincidence that was? Jesus Mary and Joseph, sharp as sponges, this bunch. it's just so sad, this'll stay with me for awhile.
@teenapittman42415 жыл бұрын
I totally agree. And then the detective at the end said it will never be solved. Why did he say never. I think that because it such an old case, they don't want to spend the money for a proper search. They could have used magnets to see if it were metal and go from there. Divers, sonar, and newer tech.
@steadyc92775 жыл бұрын
Wendy S Right?? Jesus H. Christ what a pathetic sh*t show. Is the rest of the God-damned family still buckled into the seats of their station wagon 50 years later or what??!
@mariekazazian80195 жыл бұрын
Wendy S I just saw this stupid story and was going to comment but when I saw yours there is no need. You said it all! What a ridiculous investigation. Leaves one frustrated beyond belief. The car is STILL in the river? No one searching? Twilight Zone reality?
@wendys3905 жыл бұрын
@@mariekazazian8019 LOL thanks.
@brooklynrocks23965 жыл бұрын
@@teenapittman4241 Everyone here has said exactly what I was thinking. It makes my skin creep thinking that to this day still no diving, metal detectors, no sonar, drop another anchor down there. The person who said their bodies could still be strapped in the seatbelts, made me so sad to think about especially when I think she could very well be right. Then they never looked for these exconvicts. Maybe they didn't have the man power back then, or salary to do it or the technology but hell, whats their damn excuse now? I would like to add, don't they have ways now where they can apply special chemicals to the blacked out name and see who was named? They need to get that car out of there. Come on....Its 2019. Are you kidding me?
@Catwomanmn5 жыл бұрын
Sounds like the son had some beef with his family. Nothing to see here, move along folks. Lazy cops can't even dive to find the car, SMH.
@pbayer7735 жыл бұрын
exactly...lazy cops is rite
@johnnyray0745 жыл бұрын
Yea -I Kno HuH ?! -Lovely Miss CAtt/Lady Quit lounging Around -[Trooper/BoB] -take them Silly-Klown/SHoes Off -Get Your tooSH -in that water -And look For A Dam-Clue
@Catwomanmn5 жыл бұрын
Hahaha!!! Funny!
@louisp.33325 жыл бұрын
LMAO!!!! Hysterical:) Feel the same way, just shocked no one yet has mentioned Bigfoot or Alien abductions? WOW!
@The_Whimsical_Stenographer3 жыл бұрын
Lazy cops or paid- off cops.
@karlaniday75192 жыл бұрын
Excellent work, well done. We have lived here in the Portland area since 2004 and only heard about this about a year ago. Some time ago i saw an article on the case and became very interested in it. Not long after that i saw an update. Thank you for the name of the book and Author. Looks like it will be a good read!
@redneckgirl33263 жыл бұрын
I can't believe that a bloody gun was considered finders, keepers
@beemo13 жыл бұрын
And never processed!
@janineshaner11073 жыл бұрын
I know! Wtf?
@sassiebrat5 жыл бұрын
So, who claimed the ashes after ten years? And, why wasn't the river searched (divers) after the paint was found? And, what difference would it have made for Don's children to talk about the case? Their father was dead. Too many unanswered questions!
@paulmyers14665 жыл бұрын
The sheriff probably didn't have adequate funds to hire a boat, crew, divers, equipment, in that rural county. The cost could have run into thousands of dollars even in 1959.
@beckymasoner75295 жыл бұрын
Why talk about something you know nothing about. Didn't it say that the son did not share info on his family with his kids?
@sassiebrat5 жыл бұрын
@@beckymasoner7529...can you READ??? I asked QUESTIONS!!! Hmmmm, I wonder why?
@marierush79433 жыл бұрын
They said an unknown person came and took the ashes after 10 years .
@GlennaVan3 жыл бұрын
@@marierush7943 The ashes were claimed during the funeral preparations for the maternal grandmother. That is likely when family first realized they had not been claimed. Everyone is critical of the son for not picking up the cremains but that may have been him who did claim them. I can see a family member waiting and hoping the rest of the family would be recovered so they could be laid to rest together. --- "The cremains of Susan and Virginia remained at the River View Abbey Mausoleum in Portland, unclaimed for over a decade after their deaths. On December 30, 1969, the urns containing their cremains were retrieved by an unknown individual. The girls' paternal grandmother, Margaret Martin, had died the day before, December 29, and the girls' cremains were claimed while funeral arrangements were being made for her.
@laker33 жыл бұрын
There is no way that car drove through all those rocks to drive off the cliff.
@mainemermaid65963 жыл бұрын
🙏❤🙏 Rest in Peace, The Martin Family & Walter Graven for trying to find them. People are so quick to say negative things about the police these days, but the vast majority are good men and women, who really care about the people in their communities (It's why they went into law enforcement in the first place.), and they've dedicated their lives (and are willing to put their lives on the line) for us. Remember, after years of ongoing wars, many of our policemen/women are veterans, and have already sacrificed and fought for us (and lost brothers and sisters in arms, and carry lifelong, difficult memories, and physical scars) all so that we can remain safe and free. Now, as civilians, they continue to fight, and they deserve our appreciation and respect. Please talk to your children snd grandchildren about this (regardless of their age). They're being inundated with Leftist, anti-police, rhetoric and propaganda, at school/college, and on TV. And, we need to work together to put a stop to it. Thanks & God bless!
@BonafideGail3 жыл бұрын
May God bless you with compassion, insight, and education.
@stcroix7722 Жыл бұрын
@Maine Mermaid people are so quick to say negative things about the police because the police have shown us that they are bot the good people the PBS channel and seas some street had shown us to be. The whole concept of the police force came from the slave patrol. You know these evil white men that would hunt down slave masters and some would find it beautifully to destroy that slave who was a black human being . The practice of the police force have not change since then . How is it possible for the same police force that Edgar j Hoover of the FBI took part in lying to the united states of America claiming that the United states didn't have a mafia operating on America sure. All because he was blackmailed for his part in playing up in gay trans bars dress in panties that he enjoy wearing . Just as the politicians if yesterday was in bed with the police and corporations of today. So instead of going out there and getting rid of mafia criminals. He decoded to forces on law abiding citizens who form a black panther party to stop the racism and corruption of politicians and they evil policies that only favor the rich. However because these where educated black men who dud not fear going to talk to the Puerto Ricans and the southern confederate flag wearing white community who was poor and suffering from the same evils of racism, corruptuon, lack of well housing , schooling, good food, police brutality. They implemented school lynches. What the FBI CIA,and local police diid by lying , murdering , charging innocent black people with terrorist crimes they created and implemented cointePro ,look up the word cointelpro. Then look up the corruption of the Chicago police force,Louisiana police force, new your city police forve , the laps police force , the Minnesota police force. In which police steal ,cash, drugs, and use that drugs to sell, or plant in other innocent citizens, police offices taken part in murder and enjoying killing black people and stating on tape that they can get you out of that murder. Police officers not arresting other police officers for driving under the influence, the fact that other police officers would not file reports or state that a wife of a police officers wss beating or in a domestic violencesituatuon. We will tell pur children about Elijah Mclain and innocent black 23 year old man walking home from a store,and was murdered by white men police officers and white men and women EMT. Who laughed at an innocent black man walking home from a store.We will tell them about how the majority of the police officers watch all white police officers beat Rodney King and did nothing about it in fact some join. I will tell my children and all the children all over the world who saw the murder of George Floyd that a white man find it fitting to put his knee on a man neck for that amount of time and a Vietnamese stand and did noting but held the citizens back .I am going to tell my children about the police officer who allowed Jeffrey Dahmer to go back in the house with an Asian Vietnamese boy. A grown white man find it funny that an Asian man was naked and has blood coming from is butt. Yet a 16 year old black girl saw this Asian man running for his life naked on a street and she screamed to her family to stop the car so she can go help. This black girl was refusing to let this Asian boy go but because of the white officers and this white gay man that even call this black girl a bitch The white police officers older than this girl had no sense or even any mercy for anyone other than is own skin color. The fact that the black community said that black women are going missing in a town and black writes was on the story that black women are going missing the whole white police department and the white writers abd newspapers claim that they could not substantiate the story . So they declared that it was bot happening. Yet several months later a white woman from the same area escape from a white supremacist who was upset with black lives matter and black people standing up for they children telling the truth about this country and how whitesupremacy was born and is implemented in ever fractured of the united states government system . I am going to tell the story of the black immigrant so was shot over 40 times on is balcony by the police in new York city. I will tell the story of the white man who decided to murders his pregnant wife because he did not want to live that lifestyle with her and the baby he wanted to be single. So he decided to bring in black men into his crime by coming to a black neighborhood kill her then blame a black man for carjacking . It was all over the news in Boston the police broke black men and boys legal rights by illegally searching them ,invading the house hold of black families. It became a big political trope for the racist claiming to get touring crime showing black people. I am going to tell my children the tail of bloody Monday in which black high school or college black children marched and did in fact got beaten by white police officers for they sit ins. Picture shows a police officer a white man of coursewho made sure to have his police dog bit that black boy in the middle of his cheese, they where beaten and place in police car and jails pack like sardines. They would take away they beds ,oikkows, as and still they would sing and declare themselves to non violence. However that nonviolence only made them more of a psychopath, full of wanting power and control. I will tell my children about the police officers who would pull over black and brown people and still wearing a police camera with two while police officer would plant marijuana in that Hispanic man car all because he wants to move up in the force and he would go back to his white family one , Italian and sit down and eat spaghetti and not give a sit about destroying an innocent person life. I will tell m children about a police forcw in which several of these white police officers all join together in they kkk club and in tis club they would bot go after criminals instead they would go after black boys And men who had no criminal record and gave them a criminal record so the wouldn't be able to get a job that would cost them to make a certain amount of money. Also not because someone decides to be a cop makes them automatically a great person because of they carwer. That nonsense went through the window when white Europeans claim that they came to bring Jesus and salvation to the Africans after they welcome them wiith open arms, That was the church and they was the most brutal and said it was ok to own another human being . These people become soldiers some because they are poor and they benefits would help better they life, like pay to go to school, some join to be able to see the world ,others join to actually go kill and murder and to be able to do it at war where they would get away with it. That doesn't make then great people because they serve in the mulitary. Also many of soldiers who are married was having sex with people of other countries or other soldiers while married or have a girlfriend at home. Just like many join the military because the power and control they can have . many came out the military or was discharged and man have become criminals after the military. So when you see a military woman who pull a white talk police officer off of a black man who is already handcuffed and is in the car with one of his legs and this police man grab the suspect and says donot you mess with me and the female officer grab him from riffing up the suspect y his police belt and he turns around and grab this police officer by her throat and lift her up telling her donot ever so that again when she was actually helping him to not get charge with a crime and also to stop him from violating and hurting the suspect when he presented no threat to the police officer. Instead of the police officer men who was there and saw what that higher ranking police officer did to that female officer and did nothing for fear of losing or the higher ranking officer hating or taking you out of the blue line shows that they are no good officers especially when you see and officer violate a person constitutional civil rights and you protect that officer because you want them to cover your ass when you do wrong . Shows you are just as evik. Just Luke White supremacy and witness is continuing . bring that the poor whites and the poor blacks got along . Because white people was divided y they culture not by they whiteness so that terrified the new government and they wages plan so instead they decided if we give the white people just a little bit more and put them together as a class in whitness instead of they culture. So the itkains, Irish and others all wanted to be a part of that white class BUT am going to pretend I don't see what they are doing , theraci as n and inequality am going to pretend that am not racist We are not racist but you would vote for men and women to continue to practice and keep the practice of white supremacy going. So my sister and brothers always remember just because someone choose a profession doesn't makes them a good individual. Remember that anyone who see violence, racism,evil,and corruption and stands by and watch it is just as guilty as the evil criminals or person who proceeds to do it. Also don't give a dance if the person served or fly for the Queen Of England and served in the military ,went to the best if schools , or lives in a beautiful suburbs ,or attend church on sundays They can be a serial burglar that steals panties at night and become a rapist and murder at night.
@jethrobodine92995 жыл бұрын
After 60 years the car is probably not where it was .With all the storms and floods that has took place the swift current could pick it up and move it a few times. It has got to be in bad shape possibly just a frame left .
@daria40825 жыл бұрын
It's under feet of sediment. No way we will find it
@bookmiss5 жыл бұрын
Chupa Cabra my guess is the back window was broken when the barge hooked it and lifted it. The girls were in the back and floated out. The parents and Barbie were further towards the front and their weight may have wedged them in. I agree with you it’s buried under silt and mud. I do believe it may be protected in the mud if they ever found the car
@janbadinski71265 жыл бұрын
@@bookmiss Underwater metal detecter. But there it goes back to how deep it is in that area and how strong the current is. There isn't a lot of silt accumulated because rivers and creeks deposit the silt further down the river. If it were in a lake it would be different. Silt in lakes are several feet of silt or more.
@bookmiss5 жыл бұрын
Jan Badinski I agree an underwater robot like they use in caves and such. Still it will see only what’s up top. That equipment that looks like a long bullet or torpedo, might be a better choice. I watched them use it on Curse of Oak Island last week. $$ who has one and who will pay to use it? Not the police
@beckymasoner75295 жыл бұрын
And under layers and layers of silt.
@donnap61905 жыл бұрын
Interesting that they were cremated, I didn’t think cremation was a traditional option back then. Cremate them and leaving them unclaimed. The gun being one of the items the son was accused of stealing, wasn’t it retrieved when he was charged? The two cons seeing opportunities possibly. Lack of communication between agencies. So very sad.
@GlennaVan3 жыл бұрын
Regarding cremation: It would have been the kindest thing to be done for bodies in the water for months and then autopsied. Regarding unclaimed, that is not unusual for cremations even when family members are local. The gun was likely paid for at the time of theft; going back through charging/court records would reveal that. If the gun were returned to the store, then it being in that area would have been one of those really bizarre coincidences. The part I really don't understand was why the gun was not processed and kept in police custody when it was found.
@brianmccarthy55573 жыл бұрын
@@GlennaVan Thanks for the mostly sensible comments I've read from you scattered among the responses to this case. You've helped answer many of my questions. I get the impression many peope haven't ever seen the Colombia River so they have no idea how big and powerful it is. Neither do they realize how rugged the gorge is, since it exists by eroding a huge volcanic dike hundreds of miles in extent. I haven't seen it since I was young in the late 1970's on my family's last vacation before my dad died of a heart attack, but I remember how rugged the area around The Dalles is. I'd be surprised if anybody found anything after more than 60 years.
@sunflowers7303 жыл бұрын
The funeral home had to do something with the bodies so cremation would have been the cheapest option. And whoever claimed the ashes would have to pay the cost. If the son was involved, he wouldn't have wanted to pay since he would have done it or arranged it to get the family money in the first place.
@83prettyblack5 жыл бұрын
How is the death of family better left closed.Sad,mysterious and sort of creepy case.
@rdoc5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's a funny thing, we can't quite figure this one out. Right after the family went missing we found tire tracks leading up to the river, oh and paint scrapings matching the color of the Martins car. Oh but heck, we can't be bothered to run a dredge over that part of the river. Guess this case will forever remain a mystery. Oh well.
@susandurrant63575 жыл бұрын
Literally nothing to go on....! ☺
@conniecrawford64295 жыл бұрын
I KNOW, WAS THAT THE STUPIDEST INVESTIGATION YOU EVER HEARD??? The car is in the water!! Jeeezzz... And why would the grandchildren not pursue this and just drop it? Something doesn't smell right. I always say follow the money...
@kohedunn5 жыл бұрын
How ever did America get to the moon ???? But miss the car ???
@bookmiss5 жыл бұрын
@@conniecrawford6429 Its easy to say now looking back. At the time There was one place they looked a long time. The Cascade Locks. The car wasn't there. It was a big show for the public that they were working on it. When a diver almost lost his life they stopped the search. So the people understood that danger. This was slight of hand. When Walter made public the other location, the police had to scramble to figure a way out of searching that area, because they were afraid the car WOULD be found and there was someone who didn't want that to happen!! It was down there for a reason!
@conniecrawford64295 жыл бұрын
@@bookmiss yeah, I think You're right.. So sad!!
@earthangel64805 жыл бұрын
EARTH ANGEL😇. I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY , AFTER THE BOAT HOOKED ANCOR ONTO THIS METAL JE T, AND SFTER THE BODIES WERE FOUND, THEY DIDN’ T DIVE DOWN DOWN TO SEE IF THE METAL OBJECT WASN’T THE 🚘 CAR?????!!!!
@george55905 жыл бұрын
i can not understand that ?
@janbadinski71265 жыл бұрын
Because, at the time, scuba barely existed. Also, the current in that river is monstrous. I know it looks like a little river, but it isn't. It's very deep and has brutal current. Not so easy to dive in. Further down the river it gets shallower but then it's over a mile across. Also it feeds into the Willamette river further downstream, another huge river.
@earthangel64805 жыл бұрын
Jan Badinski from Earth Angel and thank you kindly for your knowledgeable reply! Earth Angel
@watchgoose5 жыл бұрын
@@janbadinski7126 again, not true. The TV show Sea Hunt was very popular in 1958 and I used to watch it every week back then.
@janbadinski71265 жыл бұрын
@@watchgoose That was before my time. However, I want to point out that I never said that scuba diving didn't exist then. All I'm saying is it wasn't common and probably quite expensive. I do know divers cost a lot of money to hire for whatever purpose, it had to have been more expensive then, too.
@carliebeau53295 жыл бұрын
Da. I could solve this case. Come on.they basically let the son off the hook.
@janbadinski71265 жыл бұрын
Or lack evidence to take him into custody. Remember, you have to prove he's guilty.
@bookmiss5 жыл бұрын
You have to have evidence he even knew about it. He wasn't in the area, had no criminal connections even though he was caught stealing, but returned everything HE was caught with. The gun was stolen but they couldn't prove he took it. It was found in the Gorge, so it MUST have been used in a crime! But who's? The gun wasn't tested for anything because the police had no crime at that time to link it to. All the evidence was collected at different times by different police jurisdictions and it wasn't until many years later someone (Walter) spoke about what he thought happened. Then what? It still was covered up.
@axelsoncarla4 жыл бұрын
carlie Beau if he’s guilty, hopefully he’s paying for it now
@tenorhowlermonkey34543 жыл бұрын
Had to turn the volume all the way up and when the commercials came on it nearly blew my speakers.
@vickiedutton68295 жыл бұрын
The Multnomah county police dept. has ALWAYS been corrupt and lazy.
@miapdx5035 жыл бұрын
Like most police departments.
@GlennaVan3 жыл бұрын
So this was in Multnomah County? I didn't realize the boundary stretched that far.
@richardmills84015 жыл бұрын
Sooooooo can you throw anything in that river and it will be gone forever? Sooo where is this river u speak of again ? Lol
@bookmiss5 жыл бұрын
Richard Mills yes 60 years of silt it’s buried so deep the that even with technology there is so much junk down there you can’t tell one metal from another.
@hollypopovich21055 жыл бұрын
Richard Mills ~ the narrator mentioned the Columbia River in his narrative.
@wendys3905 жыл бұрын
@@bookmiss But they didn't even try! You can't just say, there's too much silt and leave it at that! I'm gobsmacked they didn't even make an attempt ever.
@bookmiss5 жыл бұрын
Wendy S I’m sorry. You and everyone else feel the same way. When someone orders a hit, a token search is made then gradually it tapers off as people go on with their lives.
@sonyadempsey51545 жыл бұрын
😂
@phylliselliott41305 жыл бұрын
Oh the Son was def involved !
@ktkat19495 жыл бұрын
Rupert Gillmouthe, the sheriff of Hood River County at the time, suspected that the drilling rig had overturned the Martins' car at the bottom of the river, and dislodged one of the doors, allowing the bodies of Susan and Virginia to escape and surface downstream. Further searches of the water were undertaken by both sonar and helicopter, but were unfruitful. The search for Kenneth, Barbara, and Barbie was subsequently suspended after a search divernearly drowned.
@shane412254 жыл бұрын
Anyone else here after Adventures with a Purpose posted the video of them diving the area for the car
@alethastevens61513 жыл бұрын
🙏🏽they found them!
@Amythehealer3 жыл бұрын
@@alethastevens6151 adventures with purpose? I only saw 2 videos which they didn't. Was there a 3rd I missed? Or did someone else find them? I can't find anything about them being found.
@janelle0095 жыл бұрын
Very well done. Thanks for sharing. May they Rest In Peace 🙏
@janbadinski71265 жыл бұрын
Indeed, I hope they are resting in peace also.
@nutmegmacadamia67305 жыл бұрын
If you pause on the document about the money Donald stole from work, it mentions he was homosexual and living with a man. Clearly, there is more to the story about why Donald was out of touch with his family and wasn't more eager to deal with their remains etc. What an emotional roller coaster that all must have been for him.
@pricklypear75165 жыл бұрын
But then he married and had four children? I know that back then lots of homosexuals were driven to "fake it," but I find this scenario kind of hard to believe.
@bookmiss5 жыл бұрын
You’re very observant
@nutmegmacadamia67305 жыл бұрын
@@bookmiss Thank you.
@bookmiss5 жыл бұрын
@nutmeg. He had a wife and kids. Let’s leave it at that. He died a few years ago. Life was different 60 years ago. What choices people made are theirs alone
@janbadinski71265 жыл бұрын
@@pricklypear7516 I don't. At the time they covered up being homosexual by getting married and having kids. They would be with their partners while looking like family man. Back then they had to be secretive about it or get tons of grief for it.
@melanieviselli97065 жыл бұрын
I just wonder, like some others, if the son Don didn't have someone paid to kill his parents and sisters. I mean, he could have somehow paid the two ex-cons. That might be why he never spoke about his family at all with his own wife and children. I know some could say that he was just upset over the loss etc. But considering the fact he never claimed the ashes of the two sisters that were found, it is just sketchy to me. And the fact that Don's children didn't want to talk about it all of a sudden. I think they found out something, maybe looking through some of their father's belongings, that might have pointed the finger at Don after all, and they didn't want to go through the interview.
@bookmiss5 жыл бұрын
Melanie Viselli your theory would make a good story. I could probably write another book based on all the suppositions I’ve read in the last week
@bookmiss5 жыл бұрын
Melanie Viselli your theory would make a good story. I could probably write another book based on all the suppositions I’ve read in the last week
@melanieviselli97065 жыл бұрын
@@bookmiss I just wish there was some way to discover what actually happened to them. I mean, the only family members left would be the children of the older brother Don. Since all the other family members were *allegedly* killed (since the bodies of the father, mother, and one sister were never recovered)....other than those family members, there would only be the members of the community that might have known the sisters from school etc. It's sad how so much time can go by for some cases to the point that there is almost nobody left alive who would remember or care enough to look into it.
@bookmiss5 жыл бұрын
Melanie Viselli the fact there is all this interest in this case. I don’t think it will be forgotten. Will you ever have a smoking gun in the hand of the instigator? No he’s dead. Soon the other major people people will be gone. So unless the perp gives up his part in the murder before he dies or the others give up no one will ever know til judgment day
@LouLou-Aus5 жыл бұрын
From that comment..Im guessing you believe the perp is still alive?? Is that why Dons children declined an interview? Could they have come to harm by the perp if they participated?
@Auggies19565 жыл бұрын
It was a different time, a small city without a lot of money to fund looking for the car. Scuba was around in WW2 I think it still wasn't a common thing being used back then.
@Legionmint70915 жыл бұрын
We need to find out how many bodies there are in the water. If the father isn’t found we may be looking at a family annihilation and a suspect who started a new life somewhere. In that case he wouldn’t be the first.
@janbadinski71265 жыл бұрын
The rest could have been kidnapped. But you can't really base it on how many bodies are found because not all of them can be found.
@Legionmint70915 жыл бұрын
Jan Badinski Quite true. But it’s almost impossible not to consider the possibility that the perpetrator could have been the father. It’s not exacly unheard of in the history of crime.
@MiscreantApril5 жыл бұрын
Good point. I immediately thought of the John List case.
@Legionmint70915 жыл бұрын
April Jepson Me too. Or more recently Chris Watts.
@bookmiss5 жыл бұрын
Magnus Åström @jan Badinski. It would be logical. How odd that no records reflect that thought. It was discussed at first. All interviews with family and friends reveal a man who loved his family and community. This is 1958. Life and ideals were different. Don’t theorize what we’ve seen happen in this era. I’m not saying it’s not impossible, but unlikely Kenneth would off his whole family for no reason. No lover or even hint of extra marital relationship. One tip was Barbara had been married before but that was ruled out right away There wasn’t that much in the estate for Donald to hire a hit of this magnitude.
@dhoward57575 жыл бұрын
Family secrets, especially in the 50's were the norm. In my opinion, this family had some secrets... Yet you cannot overlook the two men mentioned in and around the crime area. Sad mystery.
@janbadinski71265 жыл бұрын
I think there's something to that. They were also carrying money when this issue happened. 2 cons robbed and murdered them is also plausible.
@Isabella66Gracen5 жыл бұрын
Those men were hired by Don, who stayed in NY during the crime. And he somehow managed to get his stolen gun to those 2 guys.
@horsepanther5 жыл бұрын
@@Isabella66Gracen I agree that does seem like the most likely scenario. It's pretty damn difficult to explain the gun if the son wasn't involved.
@Sunset5534 жыл бұрын
Lydia Smith Jones Murder for Hire with a contrived alibi. I guess it would be hard to prove.
@ESSER68NJ3 жыл бұрын
I agree totally ... I mean not get your sisters ashes??? 10y they say there unclaimed. Yeah that alone makes him look like the right kind of pos.
@honeybaby45923 жыл бұрын
Families and people do not just disappear to not be heard from again. Someone always knows what happened to these missing families and people.
@jaredstaton11844 жыл бұрын
Tik Tok anyone???
@DylanJones-nz3ug4 жыл бұрын
Jared Staton me
@lindasue87195 жыл бұрын
It's remarkable how often fate will expose a crime or details of it. What are the odds that the barge would drop anchor right where the car was? One of the most amazing incidents I've heard of is a guy in England who killed his wife and dumped her body, and then archeologists were doing excavations in the area and found an ancient body. The guy didn't know it wasn't his wife and panicked and confessed.
@XiaoGuanYin1045 жыл бұрын
Love it!
@lauren9004 Жыл бұрын
Wow
@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 Жыл бұрын
His wife was ancient...? Doesn't look anything like fairly recent
@22ergie5 жыл бұрын
fingerprints and dna from the blood on the gun may have solved it all would it have been tested today...too bad the guy that found it cleaned the gun, which apparently the cops weren't even interested in
@chipper4425 жыл бұрын
They didn't have DNA as evidence back then. Blood types might have helped a little, and prints for sure.
@22ergie5 жыл бұрын
@@chipper442 I SAID "would it have been tested today"...and DNA "back then and long before (since the dawn of man), we "had", anyway its's all conjecture, so it doesn't matter, and we know who did it...
@bookmiss5 жыл бұрын
@@22ergie who did it? Please, we all want to know!
@GlennaVan3 жыл бұрын
To whom would they match DNA? Or blood type for that matter. We are applying later technology to a time it didn't exist or was in its infancy. Even if you watch Perry Mason (fiction) from that era, the prosecutor says "blood type similar to" the suspect. Unless a blood transfusion was needed or one was donating blood, few people had their blood type tested.
@22ergie3 жыл бұрын
@@GlennaVan I said IF IT HAD BEEN TESTED TODAY, you misunderstood what I wrote.
@marieslabbert60093 жыл бұрын
The son killed them. Everything points to that. What is weird is that everybody wanted the case solved, but nobody sent a dive team to search the spot. There is no such thing as a coincidence.
@bookmiss3 жыл бұрын
I suggest you read some of the earlier posts. This has been discussed in great detail. It’s a fun deep dive
@meebrbey3 жыл бұрын
It's a wonder they could solve any thing in the '50s
@bookmiss5 жыл бұрын
In response to all the posts. This has been fun. I love that everyone is interested in this case. Just to remind everyone. JB Fisher will have a book released in August called Echo of Distant Water. In his book he goes into detail about the facts,the evidence, and theories that have good merit and some that have interesting connections. It is worth putting on your calendar to check Amazon for it. My book is fiction. It takes the facts and weaves a reason and then points a finger. It has to be a little sensational or who would read it. My book is Silent River and will be released sometime next month oh! This month.
@LouLou-Aus5 жыл бұрын
Any chance it will be available in Australia??
@jennifs68685 жыл бұрын
can't they use that rover that went to the titanic wreck?
@patharbin8545 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the police in podunk have 3 million to spare.
@Benzo18184 жыл бұрын
the columbia moves fast right there & there are locks nearby...not sure if those rovers can be used in that kind of river?
@RaoulThomas0074 жыл бұрын
That ROV is a very expensive little toy and costs a lot to operate!
@Savoiefair643 жыл бұрын
I’m pretty sure we have the technology today to see what was underneath the scratched out name…
@blue_diamond_gem5 жыл бұрын
This channel makes really good documentaries.
@sharongill98375 жыл бұрын
All I will say is that they rest with the angels 💕💞💕💞💕
@patriciajrs463 жыл бұрын
Why didn't Don claim his sister's bodies? Why didn't he bury them? He left them in that mortuary for 10 years unclaimed, so that they were cremated. They should have dragged that river the minute those bodies were found, washed up. I think their son had something to do with arranging it, but I don't see how he could hate his sisters that way. Truly odd and sad. Please keep us informed of updates. Thanks.
@jdaxci4 жыл бұрын
I just don’t understand why when the anchor had presumably hooked the car in the river shortly after their disappearance, that they weren’t able to bring the car up to the surface by some means. I know now a days we are able to bring cars out of bodies of water, why couldn’t that be attempted back then?
@devonseamoor5 жыл бұрын
It amazes me that they didn't haul up that car, when they found it and expected it to be a car. What's the logic of leaving it? Strange, the way investigations were sort of half done.
@GlennaVan3 жыл бұрын
It came unhooked. They did try to find it again but were unsuccessful. They don't even know for certain it was a car, only that it was a heavy object. Read the Wikipedia article - it's all there and cited.
@jayarl.estremosteaktreeset274 жыл бұрын
Who's watching these in 2020
@tomsenick2033p5 жыл бұрын
It was an "innocent" time yeah 2 world war Korean conflict, lynchings yeah real innocent
@d.dedrick79915 жыл бұрын
The narrator was referring to mid-century Portland, Oregon.
@mentalwrd5 жыл бұрын
Well certainly more innocent then than now.
@Rachel_Jayne5 жыл бұрын
Honestly never thought of it that way. Still it was not as violent to people in general terms excluding the wars and lynching which I'm not downplaying.
@janbadinski71265 жыл бұрын
In comparison to now, yes. Once upon a time you could leave your door unlocked at night and would be fine.
@CarolFremel-my4hs5 жыл бұрын
Omg who got lynched?
@daddydavey Жыл бұрын
Those poor girls. Glad to see PD is keeping this case open.
@thomassmith92434 жыл бұрын
Adventures with Purpose- is on it , now. I really believe, They will find the car, and bring closure to this case..
@believeinyourself75113 жыл бұрын
I bet there is nothing left of that car now. It rusted away.
@louellacharlton44253 жыл бұрын
Yes Jared and Sam and Dan will find it. And they have searched a couple of times. That's Adventures with Purpose. Jared is in Oregon
@aimeeinkling3 жыл бұрын
They're too busy making jokes and having a good time to do anything as worthwhile as finding this family.
@louellacharlton44253 жыл бұрын
@@aimeeinkling you don't know anything about them or you wouldn't be saying that. Do you live out there or near there? Why don't you try helping? It's easy for you to belittle someone but what do you do?
@JoJoJoJo-fs3ey3 жыл бұрын
Why would they return the gun to the person who found it, instead of detectives keeping it if the case was never closed
@HerrGeisteskrank5 жыл бұрын
I haven't read every single comment, so maybe someone else thought of this also: Perhaps the son ran afoul of the mob, and the mob offed his family in revenge, This could possibly help explain how the gun got there, the presence of the two cons, the inept investigation, and the son's children's reluctance to speak.
@bookmiss5 жыл бұрын
HerrGeisteskrank you are one smart person. Very close to the truth. The result the same, different person
@georgiapines79063 жыл бұрын
I hope they solve this case. May God bless your soul, Det. Graven.