I think it was an accident and not a murder. Two bodies managed to get free of the wreckage after it was disturbed. I can’t believe they didn’t drag that area of the lake after the bodies surfaced.

Yeh- I think your Right!👍

Agreed

Exactly!

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I agree

That's just it, they don't know for sure. They have two bodies. One gun that was found NOT in the abandoned cons vehicle but in that area. That and tire tracks. Could Kenneth have murdered his family and tossed them in the river? Then drove off and tossed the gun out a window? Could he have murdered them and pushed the car in, then left on foot, tossed the gun and took a bus off to a new life? If Don set this up, how did he get that gun to the cons? He took it with him in the military and mailed it to them? He was home on leave and met them in a bar or something? Where is the connection between cons, gun and Don? This case is ridiculous.

Ever search a river? Thought not. If you had searched this river you wouldn't have survived long enough to type your comment. Murky fast moving rivers are extremely dangerous. It's not really even safe to put a boat in that river let along divers. Dredging is not possible due to the extremely rocky bottom. Cameras won't work because of no visibility. The only reasonably safe way to search this river is to divert it. Want to cough up the hundreds of millions of dollars that will cost?

@@nunyabiznez6381 I just read it's 4000 feet deep, good luck diving that in 1958...

I just looked up the Columbia River Gorge, took me all of 3 seconds. It's 4000 feet deep, good luck diving it in 1958 or modern day for that matter. I just looked up the deepest a man can dive and the world record for scuba is 1000 feet set in 2014.

@@karldammann 4 HUNDRED, Not thousand. It's between 400 to 1200 feet as depth varies.

Cindy French the two guys at the restaurant were excons the disappeared out of town quite conveniently. Not to be located. Now I know it was 1959. But I do know they didn’t try all that hard Dredging. See the other recent post reply. Answered

Not shoddy problem a cover up

I said the same thing how can the grandson be at two place at once. The criminals in that town know the river and it's obvious raped and stole what money they had. This detective was blinded with frustration saying only one person had a motive.

You got that right Cindy!

Dredging a river is not always a simple matter. That river has a rocky bottom. You can't dredge a rocky bottom. Also a river is very dangerous to dive in. The only really good way to inspect the river bottom would be to divert the river.

The whole thing screams 1958/1959 Very very different back then.

If you want a deep dive into this case read any post with replies. Lots of good stuff Or read my book Silent River by C.M. Weaver for the facts in fiction form

No, it doesn't. This was 1958 when there was no technology and no such thing as forensics. You watch entirely too much TV.

The real Santa was tired of Dad's impersonation every December, maybe?

​@@ailleananaithnid2566 they had fingerprinting. The gun was found on land so they could have fingerprinted it?

It wasn't that common 50 years ago. Most likely they didn't have a diver to look, too.

You mean scuba???? Only Jacques Cousteau and navy frogmen scuba dived back then.

You would think in 60+ years somebody would've gone down there to have a look around. Maybe conditions aren't favorable for diving? If that were the case you would think the remains and even the car would've traveled some distance downriver over the decades.

Now they can scan with ultrasound to limit the area for a diver to go.

@@janbadinski7126 They could have contacted Mike Nelson. He'd have made the dive.

I can. Things were different back then. Now a days no.

Seriously! I agree, its evidence. And lok how she is handling it, terrible. It was a bleggoning device to kill. Probably after it jammed or he ran out of bullets to fire. OMG, dont need to be a detective to figure that out. 😡 So Mwd at the police 1958 Police Department

Me Justme it was 1958.

Or didn't process the evidence for posterity.

Seriously!!! That's how batshit dumb people were back in those days.

Exactly. What kind of human was he? Brutal.

Sadly leaving behind family ashes happen often.

Just ashes, dust. No person anymore.

@@imcavdb5465 true, but it's a respect thing.

Dawns Delights Art just happened to see your comment.... a tenant moved out and left the ashes of their Father amongst the garbage..... I literally called the local police department and a funeral home as to how to legally handle the situation.... After all, out of human respect, the handling of his remains deserved better than to be set out with trash. What kind of human being just leaves the cremations for 10 years and “misses” the Memorial......

Alicia Renouf they didn’t know anything about it until the above contact. Jeff said he went back and they refused to talk. The media tends to rip open people’s personal lives exposing their theories to public opinion. This is what Donald didn’t want. They aren’t hiding anything illegal or criminal. They just want privacy. How would you like the media knocking at your door with cameras exposing something you did as a kid? Now it’s being misconstrued and you family knows. You have to explain it wasn’t like that but people only want gritty details. I totally understand what why Donald did what he did

@@bookmiss ok so what your saying is they were curious but the interviewers only wanted it aired to the world, not handled in private??????

Alicia Renouf they weren’t given a choice. They had no idea what was going on. they were curious about what a TV guy was asking about. After they had a family talk. I think one sister had some knowledge about a story but was afraid other personal info might be misconstrued or twisted so declined to talk to Jeff. Yes, media tend to sensationalize what they want in order to get a reaction

v- r-m what do Soviet spy’s have to do with this event? Just wondering

v- r-m not to any satisfaction but it has a great life.

They have searched it many times. They just now have better equipment to search it again.

62 years now. I was born a year later 1959. I am 61

@@irisenamorado I'm close in age to you. [Please be careful about putting your birth year, or any other personal info, on the internet. There are a lot scammers out there! (especially since you're using your real name on KZfaq too. Consider changing your name to something else, as most of us do. It's not worth the risk.) ❤

They should of sent a dive team years ago after the anchor hooked on something, and then the 2 girls were found a week later.

@@kimnicks8590 They should have

Judie G. Why didn’t he go? His choice or theirs? I heard a friend wanted to go too but had a cold. Good thing

@@bookmiss I don't recall that he even said why. We were very shocked and didn't even say too much about it. It was so scary, and sad too. I wondered after watching the video if the son was in contact with the family before the trip.

Judie G. No one knows for sure. I’m sure he was aware of the “situation” but I believe he was shocked that it happened. Later he know the score and who was involved and kept him mouth shut or he’d have been next

Just so you know, "Adventures with purpose", found the car.

@dlbsti-is Adventures with purpose on KZfaq? I love watching those type video’s when old cars are found.

First time I heard of this. I am a Martin. My family ended up in California in the early 1930's and emigrated from Germany in the 1600's. Don't know if there is any relationship but hope someone gets on this and solves it.

What kind of test?

@@loopthetube ballistics

@@XiaoGuanYin104 they had not recovered any bullets from the victims unless I missed something.

piggykhan testing for what. 1959 they didn’t have dna testing. They were barely up to speed on fingerprints. They couldn’t have imagined what technology would come up with 50 years later

It's like O. J. Simpson asking for his gloves back!

The Titanic isn't under tons of rocks. The swimming pools still have water in them though. -jjmartin

There's a huge difference in an ocean and a river and a huge difference in a car and cruise ship. A lot of people have looked for that car and no one has found it.

Lets not forget, they're still looking for MH370 the jet that went missing just 5+ years ago.

I was thinking the same thing ! Adventure with purpose should be called !!!

@@trisharowland2257 Adventure with a Purpose has a video out on this is...they looked and it was not found by them.

Yup, and find two bodies and all as proof and still nothing, ridiculous

Likely, they didn't have people or equipment available at that time in rural Oregon (Cascade Locks is still considered fairly rural today, even with modern interstate highways). By the time this happened, the ship building yards of WW2 were gone, and skilled scuba divers along with them. Police didn't have nearly the budgets that they do today, either. All in all, they just didn't have the resources to conduct this kind of investigation, especially for a cold case.Hopefully it'll be solved one day.

@@MsGenXodus but they do now....

@@MsGenXodus Sorry, but I'm not buying that. There were countless cases all over the country, even long before this case, regardless of how "rural" the area, where divers were used to search for cars, bodies, etc. Especially when considering the fact a detective found paint on the rocks that matched the car. That fact alone was reason enough to hire a couple divers. No mention of them preserving blood samples off the gun either, for possible DNA testing decades later. Lots of blood samples from other cold cases decades ago that were of no help then, were tested decades later via the advanced technology of DNA, resulting in new evidence that resulted in solving many of these cold cases. I think it was poor & shoddy police work, pure & simple. Whoever was in charge, and failed to hire divers.....well, shame on them.

@@howabouthetruth2157 If the police in Oregon are extremely incompetent today, they were way worse in the 1950's. Remember how the federal government had to send in troops last summer (2020)? Yeah, the cops here aren't exactly "world class." Just because it is possible to do a thing, doesn't mean there are competent people available to do it.

It was late 1950's. They didn't have very good technology or scuba gear back then.

Yes I would think even when they were able to access the gear this would have ben done....unreal they still haven't yet...

@@banker1313 they didn’t know it was a car. Only after Walter questioned them did they come to that conclusion along with the discovery of the two youngest girls bodies. BUT the story was squashed by the Chief of Police. He didn’t come right out and refute the fact the investigation continued to move in the Cascade lock area. Fact: they were threatened with death if they continued to follow the cars location story

Or before! They had evidence that the car may have gone over the cliff into the water because of the tire tracks and white paint that was found.

@@LouLou-Aus Maybe they could have hired a company with a barge and anchor.

I believe son done murdered his family

Ashes of the missing family😳😳😳

Do you know if there was any recorded connections that the three men had? It would for sure have to be pre planned, seeing how far they would have had to follow them from their home.

@@aggiev8561 Don't have any reliable info on that; sorry.

Yes in the book it said it was Donald's name crossed out.

I said the exact same thing, they need to do some serious work on this case.

Finding anything now would be a long shot. It has been repaired and cleaned god knows how many times. I just can't believe they gave it back to the guy that found it. Had it been sitting in an evidence bag all these years it certainly would yield useful information.

There is absolutely no way to get DNA off the gun at this point. It was repaired cleaned and handled by to many people. I honestly do not understand why they have never searched the water. I mean it is a strange thing when the anchor seemed to hit something then 2 of the 5 bodies show up. I also want to add SHAME on the family of the son for not even wanting to solve this... do they know something and are trying to protect their Dads memory? Seems odd to me. The need to go in that water and bring that car up.

me too except they said it had been cleaned and repaired and after that many years who knows it may have been wet too long, or just gone from cleaning

Same thought came to me as well.

He missed the memorial service so I doubt if he ever retrieved the ashes.

@Betty Echol I think they said that the brother never did pick them up... They said something about that no one know where their ashes are at, and I think they insinuated that the funeral home got rid of them for lack of space. But I may be mistaken... Anyone out there know? Long day, too tired to watch it again.

There are ashes of people who died of natural or unquestioned causes who aren't claimed...possible guilt isn't the only reason

@@tomservo56954 But in many cases there's no next of kim. The brother had the responsibility to do something with the ashes. I'm sure they could have been buried at the local cemetary unless he was too cheap to do it. I realize he hardly knew his sisters, but he was still next of kin and only one to inherit the estate. The caretaker could have buried them and sent him the bill.

@@melissadawson4668 Several years ago KOIN or one of the local papers, or one of the other local channels in Portland Oregon, did a piece on cremains that go unclaimed. It actually happens quite a bit. Sad. But not criminal.

I agree

I thought that it has been found.

It's reported that AWP found and recovered the car confirmed to be theirs

No dive team has ever went searching?

@@hollyvanness6086 I don’t think so they went down but couldn’t find it for sure

He probably confessed to his daughter, and that's why they changed their mind about the interview.

Fucking trump I knew it Or the duck.

wasn't he in New York at the time of disappearance?

He is the only one in the story with motive. Detective Graven knew that! The son probably blamed his father in some way related to the theft. The only way for him to inherit the family estate was if the family was no more! RIP!

@@RaoulThomas007 What was his motive? Blamed his father for his own stealing, seriously? Inheriting the family estate? First, since he was the only living member of the immediate family, it would go to him anyway unless a will stated differently after there was proof of death via a court. Did anyone ever state what the "estate" consisted of? Because he was the family member still living, everything - assets and bills - would go to him unless a will stated differently. There is an awfully lot left out of this video that simply reading the Wikipedia article and following all the citations would reveal.

Jennifer. If they were killed and you returned to the house and tried to do anything, wouldn’t you be afraid to stay around and be killed too?

dansza Exactly, exactly, exactly...ALL the evidence in the world was there, the clues were in plain sight and yet NOBODY between all those so-called experts could solve this. Total disgrace and shame to American law enforcement!

Its jeff gianola. News anchor. He is hilarious

This is an excellent mini-documentary. Top notch!

Andventures With Purpose from Bend Oregon, is diving amd trying to find the Martins car. They said to read the book. Check them out. They have solved many Cold Cases all over the USA!

Exactly what I was thinking!

It was done. The name Donald was revealed. He was the only one with motive.

There's another TV news story also on KZfaq that shows that the word "Donald" is under the blacked-out box.

They have a video with two professional divers from Portland Oregon and the rivers in that area there are a lot of caves were a car can hide it is hard to find I believe the car will be found if the divers go deep in to the caves get the book that was written on the matin family it tells a lot about a cover up and how tons of rocks were dumped on the area were the car went down u should read the book echo of distant waters that is the name of the book written about the Martin family

@@jodyvance2374 Please don't imply the "tons of rocks" dumped into the river had anything to do with this event. All along the river huge rocks/boulders are dumped in the river to keep the river banks from eroding. It has nothing to do with any coverup! It's called ballast and is an ongoing practice and has been for many decades and vital to keep the river within its current banks.

A rural county sheriff, probably elected with no law enforcement experience, virtually no funds available to pay for boat, crew, divers, equipment.

In another article I read it indicated that divers were sent down, but were nearly killed during the dive so they discontinued diving.

You can see in the newspaper stories which are shown on screen in this report that divers were in fact used at the time.

I wonder if LE had a good location where the barge weighed anchor?

Lisa Gunnison this is a valid question. You have to know the setting. 1958, they’d just done a public cleanup of corruption in the government around 1956. It was a good show to the public. It was still there so when someone wants something hidden and overlooked, you can show the public you’re searching at one location and doing your job.

It's like saying why are people making ridiculous theories about 9/11 but ignoring actual evidence of how their government is connected to promoting Islamic extremism. Such as how extremism hardly existed before USA were arming and training extremists in Afghanistan in 80s against Russia. Then USA didn't care what was going on there after. Or how when Thatcher didn't like EU preventing Tories mistreating most British people, such as EU saying workers have enough breaks. Then secret service whistle blower David Shayler told how British government were going along with USA funding Al QAeda against Gaddafi. Now they're funding extremist groups in Syria against Assad and making up lies about Russia for speaking against it. While Britain and USA send arms to backward nation Saudi Arabia

Yup proves a point. How society a whole has less and less morals.

Lisa, they're gumshoes. They wanted to believe Don was involved even though he was a continent away when the event happened and furthermore had no way of knowing his family's exact itinerary. Pretty obviously, either an accident or a common crime. I would consider who else might have a motive, particularly if Kenneth Martin was involved in any business dealings. But any explanation other than accident or common crime seems unlikely to me. If someone had a grudge against Kenneth, they would have gone after him individually, not the whole family. And how would anyone know exactly where they were going to be at any given moment, unless they followed them or had a network of spotters. All highly implausible. Maybe they could still find the vehicle, but what would be left of it? Probably only the frame, engine, transmission, bumpers and glass. These parts possibly could still tell investigators something, such as whether the vehicle had collided with some object beforing going into the water, or if it had been hit with gunfire through the windows. But to what end? Everyone involved is either deceased or elderly by now. Particulary, all possible suspects and persons of interest are either deceased or in their 80's.

Lisa Gunnison spot on

I believe they were dead before the car hit the water. -jjmartin

@@jjmar56 The two girls whose bodies were found were determined to have drowned.

And even now (the final part of the video), the cop says they now have technology to search the water without divers actually going into the water. WTF?!? Since when did they stop sending divers into the water looking for evidence? Are there now piranhas in the Columbia River or something?

@@goopah The Columbia River, because of its depth and its undercurrents, etc., is not the typical diving situation. Additionally, it is highly unlikely the vehicle is now remotely visible given currents and sediment would have covered it decades ago. Unlike a concrete canal, the Columbia River is not a set channel and is changing all the time. The vehicle, not designed to be a water vehicle, has likely deteriorated greatly as well as currents having moved it from its original location, likely multiple times. They are not even certain where it was originally, only best guess. At the time, divers did go into the river and were in great danger - the diving at the best time to have found anything was stopped when one almost lost his life. At the time, the river level was reduced five feet (no small feat for the volume of water!) to aid in the search. Of course, you are welcome to become a trained diver and look for yourself.

@@GlennaVan You are of course correct. I posted that off the cuff, without giving it any thought, as where I live, divers are at least once or twice a year called out to look for a body in the Missouri River, and we think nothing of it. But again, two different rivers, and who ever said the Missouri divers aren't taking risks as well. Thanks for straightening me out. Although it would have been nice if the documentary would have addressed that, at least a little bit. :)

God? Why not the Easter Bunny or Santa Claus?

@@ailleananaithnid2566 you will find out why one day

janet sonia tauro · Amen

That makes him a jerk, not a murderer.

Cheryl Lynne What about evidence?

He’s wasn’t a murderer or a sociopath. He was a young man caught in a situation he had nothing to do with. Did he know or suspect who was involved? You bet. Was it worth dying for to tell? No. Telling wouldn’t reverse the death. He couldn’t change his relationship with his parents, they were dead. He went away. I believe, from the fact he kept it all quiet from his kids that he felt bad about what happened. He could not have changed it nor stopped it. It was too late

Paid, not payed. But I am not a native speaker, so maybe I’m wrong.

Ohh dear It sounds as though he felt guilty for some reason? I wonder if his life choices were a precursor for this tragic event..??

I live in the Pacific NW, very close to the scene. The river is incredibly powerful and dangerous. The height of the cliffs and the depths of the river would have made it something a small city police dept prob couldn't afford.

They would only be able to afford it if the people missing were celebrities or a government official

In another article I read, it indicated that divers were used at one point, but were nearly killed during the dive so they suspended the dive effort.

There’s a reason THE SON DONALD never pursued his missing family. So VERY obvious.

Adventures With Purpose did several months ago. I'll have to re-watch to see if the car was found or not. Things have been crazy busy for us this year.

Kathy H they tried. There are so many large items that are metal in the river it would cost lots of money and time to scavenge miles of the river. From where the barge hooked the car and dropped it, the current probably took it further down the river. That’s a lot of area to scan. They did some scanning recently I heard but didn’t find anything conclusive.

William Elliott What Family? They all died. Are you talking about his sister or Donald?

William Elliott sorry I reread your question. Yes they had information that might cause someone an embarrassment or infringement on their character. It’s one of those “we need to keep information off record as it’s an open case”. I’d love to know what they think they have they can’t talk about. We’ll see what they say when my book comes out. Oh yes mine is FICTION

William Elliott thank you. It’s tough to respond to what happened from the video clip and posts. It’s a very convoluted story. Quite interesting for the time. A look at the corruption in Portland. Like all true crime it’s the research that pulls people. I love True Crime podcasts. Some day I hope my favorite people take on this unsolved mystery

William Elliott I wish they were all that easy. Sometimes the perfect crime is committed and there is no smoking gun pointing to the perp. Sometimes they walk around with a smirk knowing that got away with it. And everyone dies

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Also to get insurance money. It is too bad gun was wiped clean. They could have done DNA tests on the blood that the detective’s daughter said used to be on it before it was fixed.

@@anneraso5621 ... Oh? How much insurance money was there??

Lynn Guine I do not know. I am just assuming that the father had an insurance policy with his wife and kids as beneficiaries so son Don had to get rid of all of them to get the money to himself.

@@anneraso5621 ... I heard there was no insurance money...to speak of. But he did not get along well with his parents!

They did dive. They couldn't dredge it because it is filled with massive boulders and rocks. Anchors hook onto a lot of things, so?? Laziness is jumping to conclusions without actually researching the topic.

Melinda TC

It's a very, very deep river in that area. I used to live in Portland.

I believe sonar will catch it if it can catch stuff in the ocean....

@@cynlovespugs Sonar would show a large object in the river of course.

@@cynlovespugs Exactly. The loch Ness is incredibly deep. And there has been a couple sonar scannings of the bottom of the loch, in search of Nessie.

According to Wikipedia, " Further searches of the water were undertaken by both sonar and helicopter, but were unfruitful. The search for Kenneth, Barbara, and Barbie was subsequently suspended after a search diver nearly drowned."

Andrew Gardener and given the fact her brother died a few years ago, anyone involved may be dead or comfortably sitting around knowing the truth will never be told after he dies.

there was a conspiracy that had the police at Cascade not on the cliffs.

Right?

Tina Weaver I don't understand what you are saying. Can you explain please ?

Sounds like Tina’s saying the police were looking in the wrong place at the time because of some craziness that was going-on.

Yes. Walter was looking up by The Dalles but he was pulled off the case. If you’re interested two book will be published this year. My book next month. Silent River a fiction and JB Fisher’s book Echo of Distant Water in August. His is a non-fiction and very good

If he did it. You have to stay objective to find the truth.

Joyce Yagoda What do you mean by “he’s paying for it now?”.

Epic Quintessence part right. He lived with a girlfriend in NY or at least shared an apartment with her. He did not commit any crime. Except-to keep his mouth shut. He stayed away from anything that would link him to what happened. You could imagine living here and every so often Ann Sullivan would print an update and there would be a flurry of speculation, as we see here. He wanted his family to have as normal a life as he could

@Epic Quintessence I thought he married & had children.

Where does that info (that son Donald was disowned by his family for being in a same-sex relationship) come from? And if that's true, where did Donald's 4 children come from?

They’ve been there. I saw their underwater video, boulders down there are huge. Car could be buried and they would’ve gone right past it

I was thinking the same exact thing!!! Bet they would find it if it is there!!

Yes they’ve already did a search for them.. there’s a video on their channel

They actually did do a dive on the location and that's how I discovered this story. They couldn't do anything though it was impossible at this point and quite dangerous considering the current and the massive Boulders that are underwater in those locations.

It's now a question of who committed the crime. Suspects are dead.

Back then you didn't need as much proof

About?

About?,a 😢 case never to be forgotten😊

Yeah, it is. Even now it's too plausible for anyone to ignore this awful event.

Jan Badinski What is too plausible?

@@kerryn6714 the facts are real. The WHY? is what no one will be able to figure out

They did a search! There’s a vid on their channel .. they did a lot of concentration on the area where the tire marks were found

And they looked into this case & found nothing but a few crappy old liquor bottles. The most profound result of their searches was how much litter people throw in the Columbia River.

Things were very different in 1958/1959. Not like today at all

Raise it from where? They would have to find it first and they never could find it.

And how did that suspect get the damn notes out of the detective times personal things after his death genius?

@@justjess-zl3pm At gunpoint with threats, pinhead!!

They did try to hook onto the object with an anchor, unsuccessfully and sent divers down. Also, they don't know it was the car, described as "a heavy object" which may have even been an odd shaped boulder. It is assumed it was a car, their car verified by the bodies found downstream. It may also be a really bizarre series of events.

I totally agree. And then the detective at the end said it will never be solved. Why did he say never. I think that because it such an old case, they don't want to spend the money for a proper search. They could have used magnets to see if it were metal and go from there. Divers, sonar, and newer tech.

Wendy S Right?? Jesus H. Christ what a pathetic sh*t show. Is the rest of the God-damned family still buckled into the seats of their station wagon 50 years later or what??!

Wendy S I just saw this stupid story and was going to comment but when I saw yours there is no need. You said it all! What a ridiculous investigation. Leaves one frustrated beyond belief. The car is STILL in the river? No one searching? Twilight Zone reality?

@@mariekazazian8019 LOL thanks.

@@teenapittman4241 Everyone here has said exactly what I was thinking. It makes my skin creep thinking that to this day still no diving, metal detectors, no sonar, drop another anchor down there. The person who said their bodies could still be strapped in the seatbelts, made me so sad to think about especially when I think she could very well be right. Then they never looked for these exconvicts. Maybe they didn't have the man power back then, or salary to do it or the technology but hell, whats their damn excuse now? I would like to add, don't they have ways now where they can apply special chemicals to the blacked out name and see who was named? They need to get that car out of there. Come on....Its 2019. Are you kidding me?

exactly...lazy cops is rite

Yea -I Kno HuH ?! -Lovely Miss CAtt/Lady Quit lounging Around -[Trooper/BoB] -take them Silly-Klown/SHoes Off -Get Your tooSH -in that water -And look For A Dam-Clue

Hahaha!!! Funny!

LMAO!!!! Hysterical:) Feel the same way, just shocked no one yet has mentioned Bigfoot or Alien abductions? WOW!

Lazy cops or paid- off cops.

And never processed!

I know! Wtf?

The sheriff probably didn't have adequate funds to hire a boat, crew, divers, equipment, in that rural county. The cost could have run into thousands of dollars even in 1959.

Why talk about something you know nothing about. Didn't it say that the son did not share info on his family with his kids?

@@beckymasoner7529...can you READ??? I asked QUESTIONS!!! Hmmmm, I wonder why?

They said an unknown person came and took the ashes after 10 years .

@@marierush7943 The ashes were claimed during the funeral preparations for the maternal grandmother. That is likely when family first realized they had not been claimed. Everyone is critical of the son for not picking up the cremains but that may have been him who did claim them. I can see a family member waiting and hoping the rest of the family would be recovered so they could be laid to rest together. --- "The cremains of Susan and Virginia remained at the River View Abbey Mausoleum in Portland, unclaimed for over a decade after their deaths. On December 30, 1969, the urns containing their cremains were retrieved by an unknown individual. The girls' paternal grandmother, Margaret Martin, had died the day before, December 29, and the girls' cremains were claimed while funeral arrangements were being made for her.

May God bless you with compassion, insight, and education.

@Maine Mermaid people are so quick to say negative things about the police because the police have shown us that they are bot the good people the PBS channel and seas some street had shown us to be. The whole concept of the police force came from the slave patrol. You know these evil white men that would hunt down slave masters and some would find it beautifully to destroy that slave who was a black human being . The practice of the police force have not change since then . How is it possible for the same police force that Edgar j Hoover of the FBI took part in lying to the united states of America claiming that the United states didn't have a mafia operating on America sure. All because he was blackmailed for his part in playing up in gay trans bars dress in panties that he enjoy wearing . Just as the politicians if yesterday was in bed with the police and corporations of today. So instead of going out there and getting rid of mafia criminals. He decoded to forces on law abiding citizens who form a black panther party to stop the racism and corruption of politicians and they evil policies that only favor the rich. However because these where educated black men who dud not fear going to talk to the Puerto Ricans and the southern confederate flag wearing white community who was poor and suffering from the same evils of racism, corruptuon, lack of well housing , schooling, good food, police brutality. They implemented school lynches. What the FBI CIA,and local police diid by lying , murdering , charging innocent black people with terrorist crimes they created and implemented cointePro ,look up the word cointelpro. Then look up the corruption of the Chicago police force,Louisiana police force, new your city police forve , the laps police force , the Minnesota police force. In which police steal ,cash, drugs, and use that drugs to sell, or plant in other innocent citizens, police offices taken part in murder and enjoying killing black people and stating on tape that they can get you out of that murder. Police officers not arresting other police officers for driving under the influence, the fact that other police officers would not file reports or state that a wife of a police officers wss beating or in a domestic violencesituatuon. We will tell pur children about Elijah Mclain and innocent black 23 year old man walking home from a store,and was murdered by white men police officers and white men and women EMT. Who laughed at an innocent black man walking home from a store.We will tell them about how the majority of the police officers watch all white police officers beat Rodney King and did nothing about it in fact some join. I will tell my children and all the children all over the world who saw the murder of George Floyd that a white man find it fitting to put his knee on a man neck for that amount of time and a Vietnamese stand and did noting but held the citizens back .I am going to tell my children about the police officer who allowed Jeffrey Dahmer to go back in the house with an Asian Vietnamese boy. A grown white man find it funny that an Asian man was naked and has blood coming from is butt. Yet a 16 year old black girl saw this Asian man running for his life naked on a street and she screamed to her family to stop the car so she can go help. This black girl was refusing to let this Asian boy go but because of the white officers and this white gay man that even call this black girl a bitch The white police officers older than this girl had no sense or even any mercy for anyone other than is own skin color. The fact that the black community said that black women are going missing in a town and black writes was on the story that black women are going missing the whole white police department and the white writers abd newspapers claim that they could not substantiate the story . So they declared that it was bot happening. Yet several months later a white woman from the same area escape from a white supremacist who was upset with black lives matter and black people standing up for they children telling the truth about this country and how whitesupremacy was born and is implemented in ever fractured of the united states government system . I am going to tell the story of the black immigrant so was shot over 40 times on is balcony by the police in new York city. I will tell the story of the white man who decided to murders his pregnant wife because he did not want to live that lifestyle with her and the baby he wanted to be single. So he decided to bring in black men into his crime by coming to a black neighborhood kill her then blame a black man for carjacking . It was all over the news in Boston the police broke black men and boys legal rights by illegally searching them ,invading the house hold of black families. It became a big political trope for the racist claiming to get touring crime showing black people. I am going to tell my children the tail of bloody Monday in which black high school or college black children marched and did in fact got beaten by white police officers for they sit ins. Picture shows a police officer a white man of coursewho made sure to have his police dog bit that black boy in the middle of his cheese, they where beaten and place in police car and jails pack like sardines. They would take away they beds ,oikkows, as and still they would sing and declare themselves to non violence. However that nonviolence only made them more of a psychopath, full of wanting power and control. I will tell my children about the police officers who would pull over black and brown people and still wearing a police camera with two while police officer would plant marijuana in that Hispanic man car all because he wants to move up in the force and he would go back to his white family one , Italian and sit down and eat spaghetti and not give a sit about destroying an innocent person life. I will tell m children about a police forcw in which several of these white police officers all join together in they kkk club and in tis club they would bot go after criminals instead they would go after black boys And men who had no criminal record and gave them a criminal record so the wouldn't be able to get a job that would cost them to make a certain amount of money. Also not because someone decides to be a cop makes them automatically a great person because of they carwer. That nonsense went through the window when white Europeans claim that they came to bring Jesus and salvation to the Africans after they welcome them wiith open arms, That was the church and they was the most brutal and said it was ok to own another human being . These people become soldiers some because they are poor and they benefits would help better they life, like pay to go to school, some join to be able to see the world ,others join to actually go kill and murder and to be able to do it at war where they would get away with it. That doesn't make then great people because they serve in the mulitary. Also many of soldiers who are married was having sex with people of other countries or other soldiers while married or have a girlfriend at home. Just like many join the military because the power and control they can have . many came out the military or was discharged and man have become criminals after the military. So when you see a military woman who pull a white talk police officer off of a black man who is already handcuffed and is in the car with one of his legs and this police man grab the suspect and says donot you mess with me and the female officer grab him from riffing up the suspect y his police belt and he turns around and grab this police officer by her throat and lift her up telling her donot ever so that again when she was actually helping him to not get charge with a crime and also to stop him from violating and hurting the suspect when he presented no threat to the police officer. Instead of the police officer men who was there and saw what that higher ranking police officer did to that female officer and did nothing for fear of losing or the higher ranking officer hating or taking you out of the blue line shows that they are no good officers especially when you see and officer violate a person constitutional civil rights and you protect that officer because you want them to cover your ass when you do wrong . Shows you are just as evik. Just Luke White supremacy and witness is continuing . bring that the poor whites and the poor blacks got along . Because white people was divided y they culture not by they whiteness so that terrified the new government and they wages plan so instead they decided if we give the white people just a little bit more and put them together as a class in whitness instead of they culture. So the itkains, Irish and others all wanted to be a part of that white class BUT am going to pretend I don't see what they are doing , theraci as n and inequality am going to pretend that am not racist We are not racist but you would vote for men and women to continue to practice and keep the practice of white supremacy going. So my sister and brothers always remember just because someone choose a profession doesn't makes them a good individual. Remember that anyone who see violence, racism,evil,and corruption and stands by and watch it is just as guilty as the evil criminals or person who proceeds to do it. Also don't give a dance if the person served or fly for the Queen Of England and served in the military ,went to the best if schools , or lives in a beautiful suburbs ,or attend church on sundays They can be a serial burglar that steals panties at night and become a rapist and murder at night.

It's under feet of sediment. No way we will find it

Chupa Cabra my guess is the back window was broken when the barge hooked it and lifted it. The girls were in the back and floated out. The parents and Barbie were further towards the front and their weight may have wedged them in. I agree with you it’s buried under silt and mud. I do believe it may be protected in the mud if they ever found the car

@@bookmiss Underwater metal detecter. But there it goes back to how deep it is in that area and how strong the current is. There isn't a lot of silt accumulated because rivers and creeks deposit the silt further down the river. If it were in a lake it would be different. Silt in lakes are several feet of silt or more.

Jan Badinski I agree an underwater robot like they use in caves and such. Still it will see only what’s up top. That equipment that looks like a long bullet or torpedo, might be a better choice. I watched them use it on Curse of Oak Island last week. $$ who has one and who will pay to use it? Not the police

And under layers and layers of silt.

Regarding cremation: It would have been the kindest thing to be done for bodies in the water for months and then autopsied. Regarding unclaimed, that is not unusual for cremations even when family members are local. The gun was likely paid for at the time of theft; going back through charging/court records would reveal that. If the gun were returned to the store, then it being in that area would have been one of those really bizarre coincidences. The part I really don't understand was why the gun was not processed and kept in police custody when it was found.

@@GlennaVan Thanks for the mostly sensible comments I've read from you scattered among the responses to this case. You've helped answer many of my questions. I get the impression many peope haven't ever seen the Colombia River so they have no idea how big and powerful it is. Neither do they realize how rugged the gorge is, since it exists by eroding a huge volcanic dike hundreds of miles in extent. I haven't seen it since I was young in the late 1970's on my family's last vacation before my dad died of a heart attack, but I remember how rugged the area around The Dalles is. I'd be surprised if anybody found anything after more than 60 years.

The funeral home had to do something with the bodies so cremation would have been the cheapest option. And whoever claimed the ashes would have to pay the cost. If the son was involved, he wouldn't have wanted to pay since he would have done it or arranged it to get the family money in the first place.

Literally nothing to go on....! ☺

I KNOW, WAS THAT THE STUPIDEST INVESTIGATION YOU EVER HEARD??? The car is in the water!! Jeeezzz... And why would the grandchildren not pursue this and just drop it? Something doesn't smell right. I always say follow the money...

How ever did America get to the moon ???? But miss the car ???

@@conniecrawford6429 Its easy to say now looking back. At the time There was one place they looked a long time. The Cascade Locks. The car wasn't there. It was a big show for the public that they were working on it. When a diver almost lost his life they stopped the search. So the people understood that danger. This was slight of hand. When Walter made public the other location, the police had to scramble to figure a way out of searching that area, because they were afraid the car WOULD be found and there was someone who didn't want that to happen!! It was down there for a reason!

@@bookmiss yeah, I think You're right.. So sad!!

i can not understand that ?

Because, at the time, scuba barely existed. Also, the current in that river is monstrous. I know it looks like a little river, but it isn't. It's very deep and has brutal current. Not so easy to dive in. Further down the river it gets shallower but then it's over a mile across. Also it feeds into the Willamette river further downstream, another huge river.

Jan Badinski from Earth Angel and thank you kindly for your knowledgeable reply! Earth Angel

@@janbadinski7126 again, not true. The TV show Sea Hunt was very popular in 1958 and I used to watch it every week back then.

@@watchgoose That was before my time. However, I want to point out that I never said that scuba diving didn't exist then. All I'm saying is it wasn't common and probably quite expensive. I do know divers cost a lot of money to hire for whatever purpose, it had to have been more expensive then, too.

Or lack evidence to take him into custody. Remember, you have to prove he's guilty.

You have to have evidence he even knew about it. He wasn't in the area, had no criminal connections even though he was caught stealing, but returned everything HE was caught with. The gun was stolen but they couldn't prove he took it. It was found in the Gorge, so it MUST have been used in a crime! But who's? The gun wasn't tested for anything because the police had no crime at that time to link it to. All the evidence was collected at different times by different police jurisdictions and it wasn't until many years later someone (Walter) spoke about what he thought happened. Then what? It still was covered up.

carlie Beau if he’s guilty, hopefully he’s paying for it now

Like most police departments.

So this was in Multnomah County? I didn't realize the boundary stretched that far.

Richard Mills yes 60 years of silt it’s buried so deep the that even with technology there is so much junk down there you can’t tell one metal from another.

Richard Mills ~ the narrator mentioned the Columbia River in his narrative.

@@bookmiss But they didn't even try! You can't just say, there's too much silt and leave it at that! I'm gobsmacked they didn't even make an attempt ever.

Wendy S I’m sorry. You and everyone else feel the same way. When someone orders a hit, a token search is made then gradually it tapers off as people go on with their lives.

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🙏🏽they found them!

@@alethastevens6151 adventures with purpose? I only saw 2 videos which they didn't. Was there a 3rd I missed? Or did someone else find them? I can't find anything about them being found.

Indeed, I hope they are resting in peace also.

But then he married and had four children? I know that back then lots of homosexuals were driven to "fake it," but I find this scenario kind of hard to believe.

You’re very observant

@@bookmiss Thank you.

@nutmeg. He had a wife and kids. Let’s leave it at that. He died a few years ago. Life was different 60 years ago. What choices people made are theirs alone

@@pricklypear7516 I don't. At the time they covered up being homosexual by getting married and having kids. They would be with their partners while looking like family man. Back then they had to be secretive about it or get tons of grief for it.

Melanie Viselli your theory would make a good story. I could probably write another book based on all the suppositions I’ve read in the last week

Melanie Viselli your theory would make a good story. I could probably write another book based on all the suppositions I’ve read in the last week

@@bookmiss I just wish there was some way to discover what actually happened to them. I mean, the only family members left would be the children of the older brother Don. Since all the other family members were *allegedly* killed (since the bodies of the father, mother, and one sister were never recovered)....other than those family members, there would only be the members of the community that might have known the sisters from school etc. It's sad how so much time can go by for some cases to the point that there is almost nobody left alive who would remember or care enough to look into it.

Melanie Viselli the fact there is all this interest in this case. I don’t think it will be forgotten. Will you ever have a smoking gun in the hand of the instigator? No he’s dead. Soon the other major people people will be gone. So unless the perp gives up his part in the murder before he dies or the others give up no one will ever know til judgment day

From that comment..Im guessing you believe the perp is still alive?? Is that why Dons children declined an interview? Could they have come to harm by the perp if they participated?

The rest could have been kidnapped. But you can't really base it on how many bodies are found because not all of them can be found.

Jan Badinski Quite true. But it’s almost impossible not to consider the possibility that the perpetrator could have been the father. It’s not exacly unheard of in the history of crime.

Good point. I immediately thought of the John List case.

April Jepson Me too. Or more recently Chris Watts.

Magnus Åström @jan Badinski. It would be logical. How odd that no records reflect that thought. It was discussed at first. All interviews with family and friends reveal a man who loved his family and community. This is 1958. Life and ideals were different. Don’t theorize what we’ve seen happen in this era. I’m not saying it’s not impossible, but unlikely Kenneth would off his whole family for no reason. No lover or even hint of extra marital relationship. One tip was Barbara had been married before but that was ruled out right away There wasn’t that much in the estate for Donald to hire a hit of this magnitude.

I think there's something to that. They were also carrying money when this issue happened. 2 cons robbed and murdered them is also plausible.

Those men were hired by Don, who stayed in NY during the crime. And he somehow managed to get his stolen gun to those 2 guys.

@@Isabella66Gracen I agree that does seem like the most likely scenario. It's pretty damn difficult to explain the gun if the son wasn't involved.

Lydia Smith Jones Murder for Hire with a contrived alibi. I guess it would be hard to prove.

I agree totally ... I mean not get your sisters ashes??? 10y they say there unclaimed. Yeah that alone makes him look like the right kind of pos.

Jared Staton me

Love it!

Wow

His wife was ancient...? Doesn't look anything like fairly recent

They didn't have DNA as evidence back then. Blood types might have helped a little, and prints for sure.

@@chipper442 I SAID "would it have been tested today"...and DNA "back then and long before (since the dawn of man), we "had", anyway its's all conjecture, so it doesn't matter, and we know who did it...

@@22ergie who did it? Please, we all want to know!

To whom would they match DNA? Or blood type for that matter. We are applying later technology to a time it didn't exist or was in its infancy. Even if you watch Perry Mason (fiction) from that era, the prosecutor says "blood type similar to" the suspect. Unless a blood transfusion was needed or one was donating blood, few people had their blood type tested.

@@GlennaVan I said IF IT HAD BEEN TESTED TODAY, you misunderstood what I wrote.

I suggest you read some of the earlier posts. This has been discussed in great detail. It’s a fun deep dive

Any chance it will be available in Australia??

Yeah, the police in podunk have 3 million to spare.

the columbia moves fast right there & there are locks nearby...not sure if those rovers can be used in that kind of river?

That ROV is a very expensive little toy and costs a lot to operate!

It came unhooked. They did try to find it again but were unsuccessful. They don't even know for certain it was a car, only that it was a heavy object. Read the Wikipedia article - it's all there and cited.

The narrator was referring to mid-century Portland, Oregon.

Well certainly more innocent then than now.

Honestly never thought of it that way. Still it was not as violent to people in general terms excluding the wars and lynching which I'm not downplaying.

In comparison to now, yes. Once upon a time you could leave your door unlocked at night and would be fine.

Omg who got lynched?

I bet there is nothing left of that car now. It rusted away.

Yes Jared and Sam and Dan will find it. And they have searched a couple of times. That's Adventures with Purpose. Jared is in Oregon

They're too busy making jokes and having a good time to do anything as worthwhile as finding this family.

@@aimeeinkling you don't know anything about them or you wouldn't be saying that. Do you live out there or near there? Why don't you try helping? It's easy for you to belittle someone but what do you do?

HerrGeisteskrank you are one smart person. Very close to the truth. The result the same, different person