Special Troops M91 Carcano Carbine and the M91/24 Carbine

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"Special Troops" does not mean Special Forces; it means all the various service branches that need neither a full length rifle nor a permanently attached bayonet. This included artillery, engineers, naval troops, and more. The Moschetto 91 TS was basically a carbine-length Carcano rifle, albeit with a unique perpendicular bayonet lug. These carbines became quite popular during World War One. After the war, instead of restarting M91 TS production, the Italian military opted to convert worn out M91 long rifles to TS carbine pattern. This model is easily identified by the short barrel but long rear sight base, and was designated the M91/24. More than a quarter million of these conversion were made at the Terni Arsenal between 1924 and 1929.
When the supply of suitable candidates for long rifle conversion ran dry, production of the M91 TS restarted, now using standard bayonet lugs. They would remain in production until 1938, when Italy adopted the 7.35mm cartridge, and after the reversion to 6.5mm in 1940. They are extremely handy little carbines!
Thanks to InterOrdnance / Royal Tiger Imports for providing these carbines from their Ethiopian imports for the video!
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@deterstruble 4 жыл бұрын

I didn't know I wanted bayonet bloopers, but here we are

@aeddonmckaba9797 4 жыл бұрын

I'm so happy Ian included footage of bayonets falling off. The instant he mentioned it, I thought: "I wonder if he has any videos with that happening?" And then my question was answered immediately afterwards.

@Seb-Storm 4 жыл бұрын

Yup, I started to picture such situation when bam he posts two video examples

@Ishmaille 4 жыл бұрын

I've never understood why bayonet lugs seem so flimsy. Like, first of all, you're supposed to be able to very forcefully hit and rip at someone with it. And secondly, having a sharp blade fly off your gun seems like a danger to friendlies around you.

@dakotamyrick 4 жыл бұрын

I just picked up a 91TS with the serial number just a few thousand earlier than your example. The sling swivel's are on the side and not on the bottom. Luckily mine has a cleaning rod. Cheers.

@marcobalducci5395 4 жыл бұрын

I absolutely ADORE the little hand gesture that he makes when talking about the "truppe speciali"

@AshleyPomeroy 4 жыл бұрын

It's as if he's thinking in Italian.

@pericleagliateniesilettera6159 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Marco . I totally agree with you. The way Ian's hand gesture emphatize the words "truppe speciali" like an orchestraconductor it's totally Italian style.

@iainsmith6643 4 жыл бұрын

Italian guns require much more waving of hands when being discussed

@IIARROWS 4 жыл бұрын

As long as you don't do it while shooting...

@exploatores 4 жыл бұрын

so that was why the germans had to help them in northafrica.

@micahreid5553 4 жыл бұрын

Italian requires much more waving of hands

@IceWolfLoki 4 жыл бұрын

Spoken Italian is just Italian for the blind.

@stevemoore6245 3 жыл бұрын

and expresso

@chrisr251 4 жыл бұрын

The biggest problem with the 91/24 carbines is that because the rifles used gain-twist or progressive rifling, and the fastest twist was towards the muzzle end of the rifle barrel, they have a great deal of difficulty stabilizing the 160 grain standard bullets with the front of the barrel removed. The bullets fired from these carbines will often keyhole as close as 20 yards if you try to use a bullet weighing over about 100 grains. The reason they went with the 91/24 wasn't just because they liked them, but because cash was very tight, and they couldn't afford to make as many new guns. So existing stocks of worn long rifles were converted more out of necessity than because they were especially functional. They knew that these carbines would be unlikely to hit anything at farther than close range. However, until they could come up with more cash, it was their only option.

@lucacali8423 4 жыл бұрын

The most secure bayonet lug system, because nothing screams "Italia" as an Ardito running angrily towards you screaming blasphemies

@akustihakonen7928 4 жыл бұрын

So basically a Japanese Banzai charger but with a carbine and secure bayonet and no katanas?

@lucacali8423 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah something like that. But if you were really (un)lucky they could also have a dagger between the teeth and grenades. Nasty stuff.

@dylanwight5764 4 жыл бұрын

@@lucacali8423 Honestly that just sounds like a regular Saturday night in commercial hospitality

@ConcernedCitizen627 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I recently won a Carcano at an auction and was having trouble with identifying it properly. I don't feel so bad now that you said there were so many versions.

@maledetto1221 4 жыл бұрын

We're probably halfway from all the variants, considering that he talks about them in groups

@chrisr251 4 жыл бұрын

@@maledetto1221 And that isn't including all of the depot level variations that were slapped together out of parts.

@jimstanga6390 4 жыл бұрын

At last! After years of watching these videos and burning with envy, I find that I am finally “One Up” on Ian! I have both the 1891 TS Moschetto Carbine AND the cross mount bayonet in my collection.

@ScottKenny1978 4 жыл бұрын

Lucky bastard! 😜

@philips.5563 4 жыл бұрын

Tag him in a pic in Instagram or something. It would be interesting to see.

@ostsan8598 4 жыл бұрын

That's better than me. I only have an 1898 TS Moschetto, sans bayonet.

@Weth_C 3 жыл бұрын

I did mine kind of backwards. I got the bayonet from my grandad and bought the gun to match it. Lol

@Mibit911 11 ай бұрын

@@ostsan8598 yeah i got one but am also missing the bayonet paid about 250 for mine and shoots touching holes at 30 yards so not a bad rifle for me. Not the smoothest action but so small light and easy recoil as well as good accuracy at least with mine and all the ammo I've shot makes it a great little rifle

@zedsdeadbaby 4 жыл бұрын

shoutout to sk cn2 for doing the subtitles on these videos, it's a little-praised task but an immensely beneficial one. godspeed to you bro

@davidkenworthy2403 4 жыл бұрын

Very concise rendering of the gun, more info than I ever would have thought was available! Gr8 jo8, it is hard to belive you don't have a staff researching, recording, editing, and producing your video's! I'm a fan! Blessings Dave

@thelemon0001 4 жыл бұрын

Never say that an italian can't reuse the same gimmick 50 years straight.

@SlickJim2 4 жыл бұрын

Seeing Ian cycle a bolt action makes me want to have a left handed gun as a right hander

@tdugong 4 жыл бұрын

Play Fallout.

@SlickJim2 4 жыл бұрын

@@tdugong Or far cry 2 with the glorious stripper clip loading from below Springfield

@BleedingUranium 4 жыл бұрын

007: Nightfire also featured left-handed Arctic Warfare rifles used right-handed.

@KhrisMiddletonFitnessOfficial Жыл бұрын

@@SlickJim2 I have an image of that reload with the caption "WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?", courtesy of IMFDB.

@jeremiahakerman7333 4 жыл бұрын

I purchased one of these a few years back at Field, Johnstown, OH Swapper's Day. I was really looking for an M38 Carcano rifle, but this was the only Carcano I could find. Almost passed on it, but I couldn't turn down the good deal. All in all I don't have any regrets it fires decently and made a nice addition to my gun collection.

@Stannum-Aura 4 жыл бұрын

Loved the Video Ian! Love the book as well. Chasspot to Famas! Special one with signature! Also I recently got a nearly perfect m96 Swedish Mauser that was made in 1902!

@howsitgoing972 4 жыл бұрын

Gotta love a video from your fav KZfaqr on one of your favorite weapons, on your birthday n’ all!

@elishahmiles6740 4 жыл бұрын

Happy birthday!

@timnavarrette3274 4 жыл бұрын

I have one of these in 6.5. Took the bayonet off,had a side mount scope set up on it. Bolt work ,little. Hand load for it. Shoots great.

@izzy1948 4 жыл бұрын

I know you have mentioned that your next book might possibly be on Japanese rifles, however, I think you should definitely entertain the idea of doing a book on Italian rifles. They are probably the most under appreciated military rifles out there.

@meh7713 4 жыл бұрын

I have 2 M38’s and 1 91/28, the 91/28’s my favorite of the 3 to shoot and feels like the best quality one.

@enricopaolocoronado2511 4 жыл бұрын

Say what you will of Italy during both World Wars, but they have some interesting design choices when it came to designing firearms.

@zacharyrollick6169 4 жыл бұрын

They also had the good idea to move to an intermediate cartridges before anyone else.

@ScottKenny1978 4 жыл бұрын

@@zacharyrollick6169 ? Oh, I guess the Arisaka Type 30 wasn't adopted until 1898...

@janwacawik7432 4 жыл бұрын

@@ScottKenny1978 6.5 Arisaka isn't really intermediate. Lighter on the rifle round scale, but still A rifle round.

@ScottKenny1978 4 жыл бұрын

@@janwacawik7432 it's 2600joules, the 7.62x39 is 2100. Grendel is also right around 2600joules.

@zacharyrollick6169 4 жыл бұрын

@@ScottKenny1978 It isn't TECHNICALLY an intermediate cartridges, but ballistics are in that ball park.

@Buck_Plankchest 4 жыл бұрын

What a great history channel. Thank you for the work.

@maxschindler3535 4 жыл бұрын

Great video as always. I always learn so much

@svtirefire 4 жыл бұрын

Imagine being so excited to correct someone's pronunciation that you don't look at the comments first and see that it's already been done 30 times.

@An_Lei_Laoshi 4 жыл бұрын

Because it is insanely funny when you know the meaning of the word with the same sound of "moshetto"

@FordPrefect23 4 жыл бұрын

And not just on this video! People still feel the need to correct it and likely don't realise the videos were all recorded together a while ago. It will probably be the same for the rest of this series.

@gus6777 8 ай бұрын

What a sad life you must have to focus on things like that

@witchywoman165 Ай бұрын

Ian I really miss your shows on amazon prime with your distinctive intro music. I wish you did more of those on TV. I have a cavalry carcano with the more rare latch bayonet catch but my next buy will be one of these 91/24's. I just wish ammo was cheaper.

@jimlarimer2104 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the extensive review. My 91/24 from Buds has a bulged barrel about 6 inches from the muzzle, Buds refused return since i didn't report within 1 week. I've never seen a bulged barrel and at first thought the black ring inside the barrel was due to the 'gain twist rifling' of this model. So now i have a $249 wallhanger. Live and learn i guess.

@johncashwell1024 4 жыл бұрын

Great job explaining the confusing Italian rifles!

@lucar.5045 4 жыл бұрын

Today's Olive Garden special: Bruschetta with Moschetto

@EdwardZhou_TJOL56 4 жыл бұрын

The PDW concept before assault rifles were a thing

@Mibit911 11 ай бұрын

Such an interesting history it took me a bit of deduction to figure out what kind my carcano was, so mine was made in 1929, it has the short nose cap and barrel band, it has a sling swivel on thr band and on the stock and also has a sling mount on the side of the stock but not on the forearm. It has the fixed carbine style sight so it's not a cut down 91/24 and it's accuracy is too good for that. So thanks to this video I can now say with pretty assuredly I have a m91 Carcano TS post 1928 variation. It's such a handy nice little rifle with such light recoil and smooth easy loading clips. You can tell its not the smoothest but it sure as hell beats a mosin nagant

@tjo4087 4 жыл бұрын

Great video and nice history lesson.

@DiscordOfDave 4 жыл бұрын

I’ll be honest, I actually really like how they handled the attachment of the bayonet.

@douglasbiegel9688 4 жыл бұрын

Because of this video,I ordered the M91/24 from Royal Tiger. Easy transaction. I will see how it is in a week or so. Your channel is the best.

@umbratilecandelaio7830 3 жыл бұрын

Ian I absolutely love your channel and your incredible accuracy. You are also always very accurate with pronunciation so you will not mind a little correction here. In Italian "ch" always sounds like a hard "k", so when you say 'moschetto' it should sound like 'mosketto' (same goes for pistacchios or pinocchio :P )

@walterdavis4808 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks. I got one to see if they were as bad as i had heard and was very supised how good it really is. For its time it is extreamly advanced .

@JW...-oj5iw 4 жыл бұрын

I can tell by looking, your keyboard has an r.

@maledetto1221 4 жыл бұрын

The had a bad name due to bad importations and wrong ammo

@walterdavis4808 4 жыл бұрын

@@maledetto1221 true. Surplus ammo was junk. New ammo was very good

@LarryDeSilva64 Жыл бұрын

I got mine from Royal Tiger Imports today and mine was from the same arsenal but mine was made in 1906 and totally numbers matching very cool rifle to have in my collection. As with all of these from Ethiopia they are a bit dirty but mine has no cracks and functions flawlessly.

@loupiscanis9449 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you , Ian .

@vtfirearms9778 4 жыл бұрын

For extra confusion, I have a TS Moschetto dated 1916 with a normal bayonet lug and a short rear sight. I'm assuming they must have updated some of the old pattern carbines to have the new nosecap at some point but that doesn't seem to be an official separate model designation. It also has no upper handguard but I think it's just missing.

@ForgottenWeapons 4 жыл бұрын

Correct - they did update early rifles later on and di not give them a new designation.

@simoneboxler1065 4 жыл бұрын

Ian... I know that you don't care probably... But is "mosketto". I love your video!

@danielecrespi1051 4 жыл бұрын

I'll join the pronounciation nazi bandwagon by saying that "speciali" is pronounced "spechali"

@threepwood92 4 жыл бұрын

@@danielecrespi1051 to be more clear, the "ci" in "speciali" is pronounced like the "chi" in "chips"

@lptomtom 4 жыл бұрын

Ian is actually pretty open to being corrected on pronounciation (for example he used to call the Chauchat a "shosho" like other clueless Americans since 1917, but he's worked a lot on his French in the past years)

@threepwood92 4 жыл бұрын

On the other hand, he said "Brescia" pretty damn well!

@TheBlackAnomaly 4 жыл бұрын

"Moscietto" da quel tocco di impotenza

@edmoore1661 4 жыл бұрын

I have one of these in 8mm Mauser. It appears to have been an arsenal done conversion and shoots great and is very accurate. Everyone said it would blow up but nope. I have about 500 rounds thru it and it is a single shot only as there are no clips for the 8mm Mauser that I could find. Kicks like a mule but fun to shoot. It has a big "s" on the action cover and on the bolt handle indicating it is not a regular Carcano and 7.9mm on the fixed rear sight.

@toxikyle5419 Жыл бұрын

I had one of these! Sold it to a collector of Middle Eastern firearms who informed me that those 8mm Mauser conversions were done by the Egyptian army as either a training rifle or second-line service rifle back when they first adopted the Hakim and didn't have enough of them to issue to all their troops at first.

@stacybrown3714 4 жыл бұрын

Okay? My TS dated 1916 has yet a different nose cap. The rear sling swivel was removed and filled. Then a slilg bar added to the side of the stock. Also a front slingbar to the forarm. It has the carbine sights and the bayo overtravel bumps. The nosecap loos like the first one you described not with a straight attaching bayo and no sling swivel. Thanks for all your work.

@maledetto1221 4 жыл бұрын

Probably a conversion during the last days of war, after the '43 the two main arsenals were divided: Terni was under the allied control, while Brescia was under the nazi/fascist, so I wouldn't be sorprised if they didn't add any marking but just convert the rifle(it could have been an artisan)

@stacybrown3714 4 жыл бұрын

@@maledetto1221 Cool I will try to find out if that's the case. I really like the little carbine. The vet who brought it home discarded the firing pin so I need to get one. Other than that it is intact. Thanks for the help.

@M.M.83-U 4 жыл бұрын

Great video.

@iac4357 Ай бұрын

Ian unfortunately doesn't discuss how the Barrels were shortened. Some were simply chopped shorter. Some were cut shorter, drilled out, and had a new rifled Insert pressed in. Others still apparently had the Breech Face shortened, the Chamber was recut, and the Barrel reinserted.

@aj-wl6xi 3 ай бұрын

[Min 6:45 reaction] OMG, finally, after searching all the variants and beating my head against the wall I finally made sense of my fathers Carcano. I couldn't figure out why his Carcano had a slit in the end where the bayonet lug went and thought maybe someone had taken his 1916 TS barrel and put it in a different model but still TS stock. The end of the stock has a slit in it where a folding bayonet would go but the barrel is either much too short for one or the bayonet lug is wrong (or so I thought). But the stock cannot accommodate an inlaid bayonet lug (like the M38) and thus the lug must be correct. Which brought me here. Seeing the 1918 version of the M91 and the M91/24 next to each other showed me that the Italians retrofitted things as needed and when practical (which means not necessarily a complete retrofit). So my dad's M91 from 1916 likely was a retrofitted carcano from a previously folding bayonet like that of the M91's made in 1893 where the bayonet was a long, skinny, and triangular bayonet. This means that the slot is simply there as a kind of Vestigial marker or anachronism. THANK YOU!! This has weighed on my mind for weeks.

@Imakethepoopies 4 жыл бұрын

Does anyone else get excited when Ian does a vid on a gun you own, so you go get said gun and cuddle with it while watching the vid??

@adventureswithducky4088 4 жыл бұрын

These make the progression of the numbering of the various Lee Enfields seem quite straight forward.

@aztecducky Жыл бұрын

I just had a customer trade me a 1928 Carcano and was having trouble identifying it. I now know it's a 1928 91 TS Thanks

@treyriver5676 4 жыл бұрын

nice info, I have what at first glance is a 91/24 but is not at 41.5 inch it seems to be one of Kliens "italia Suprema" action in a 91 stock with issue front band sights not correct as still marked to 2000 meter

@Jack72607 4 жыл бұрын

Moscetto per TRUPPE SPEZIALI 😍 Ian + Italian is just perfect

@maledetto1221 4 жыл бұрын

Truppe speziate

@paolofortini5263 9 ай бұрын

A small correction on the Italian pronunciation. When there is an "H" between the "C" and the vowels E and I (not for A, O, U) the sound is "hard" (mosketto); the sound is "soft" when there is no H, exactly the opposite to English

@mogimbo 5 ай бұрын

That is an ADORABLE little carbine

@Demospammer9987 3 жыл бұрын

Just got an M91 that's dated 1913. Really nice and light rifle, for sure.

@gregoriodraghicchio1716 3 жыл бұрын

Ian will be very interesting some video showing Carcano 91/38 TS cal. 7.92 Mauser

@Pope005 3 жыл бұрын

Great video! I keep seeing these pop up and thought about picking one up. But ammo is basically impossible to find now. Anyone know a solution for that?

@leonardomuzzi3978 4 жыл бұрын

This is my favorite youtube channel since 2015, I love how mechanisms work and the history behind the weapons shown. I don't want to be finichy but I think it could be interesting for you to know the correct pronunciation of some of the words included in this video: Moschetto=mosketto (like mosquito) Forze spieciali=forze spechalee (like special) Carcano= Càrcano

@shawnr771 4 жыл бұрын

Nice rifles. Interesting how older rifles were converted for continued use.

@FokkerAce1917 4 жыл бұрын

Supposedly because of the gain twist rifling and chopping off half the barrel, they were not able to properly stabilize the bullet. Don't know how true that was because they kept doing it, but it seems like that would make sense.

@giacintoboccia9386 4 жыл бұрын

Being a poor country we don't throw guns away, I expect lots of those still being in the arsenals, like the M1 Garands do.

@giacintoboccia9386 4 жыл бұрын

Found this piece of information: During the 70s and 80s we had a big terrorism problem and they decided to reduce the stored weapons (terrorists used to steal them) so they destroyed some thousands of the various Carcanos that were still stored. It doesn't say that none was left, and I'm still convinced that many are in storage.

@sergemaster 4 жыл бұрын

I have a Model 38 TS beautiful blonde stock, a great shooter.. I'm looking forward to your review of the M41..

@DetectingArizona 4 жыл бұрын

Can you also do a video on the t91/38 in 8mm Mauser?

@enricofesta1161 4 жыл бұрын

You can probably find some of these rifles stocked in some Italian Army reserve storage.

@paulnelson8496 3 жыл бұрын

They sold em all to Ethiopia in the 70s. That’s where mine came from

@73honda350 4 жыл бұрын

Having the bayonet lug perpendicular to barrel length rather than inline probably also makes the bayonet more secure when constantly pushing/pulling it in and out of the bodies of your enemy.

@pennsyltuckyden9823 3 жыл бұрын

You make the most interesting and informative videos on classic weapons, thank you so much for educating us all these years. You might like to check out a quick review I have on this rifle, thanks.

@thebestofla1 4 жыл бұрын

Dear Ian, thanks for the incredible content! You should pronunce MOSKETTO, not Moshetto.

@ostsan8598 4 жыл бұрын

@forogttenweapons I actually bought a Carcano rifle because of your recent videos. A lovely M91TS made in 1898 by the Brescia factory. Unfortunately, she still lacks a proper cleaning rod and bayonet (the first pattern carbine bayonet). These parts have been difficult to find. If you had any hints as to where these pieces were available, it would be greatly appreciated. I've got an unopened bottle of grappa, if that helps.

@williamsullivan9401 4 жыл бұрын

I have a Torre Annunziata 1897 production carbine, serial number UY1276. Now sporterized.

@adamhathaway756 4 жыл бұрын

Can anyone elaborate on the significance of slinging a rifle over the shoulder versus across the back? He mentioned it several times, in relation different sorts of troops.

@64starfox 4 жыл бұрын

I have one of these in 8mm Mauser that was sold to Egypt as a training rifle.

@beechfox3423 4 жыл бұрын

Cutting down a gain twist barrel would result in a lesser effective twist rate would it not? Or was the rifling fully accelerated by the 17” mark?

@neutronalchemist3241 4 жыл бұрын

The 91/24 mantained the old rifling, infact they are known to keyhole. However those were intended to be stopgap weapons for rear echelon troops, the ones that in WWI had been armed with the converted Vetterli.

@drmachinewerke1 4 жыл бұрын

@Neutron Alchemist I bought one at Sears for 17.00 Keyhole is a understatement.

@USSEnterpriseA1701 4 жыл бұрын

@@neutronalchemist3241 It's a wonder, considering that these were seemingly made from worn rifles in the first place, that they didn't opt for a Salerno process relining when they made them. Seems to me that might have been something worth doing to these.

@zacknunns242 3 жыл бұрын

After watching this i still have no idea which one i have lol its marked 1910 with no re-stamp but its got the nosecap+barrel band combo like the later ones

@johnburt7935 4 жыл бұрын

I am *_SO_* glad that when we were shown the promised "bayonet launched from a rifle", it wasn't the earliest kind of bayonet, which was literally stuffed into the muzzle of a muzzle-loader, and would have to be pulled off before it could be fired, and battlefield conditions being what they are, some soldiers would put the powder, wadding and ball down the barrel and then affix the bayonet, and then either the rifle would fire prematurely or they'd simply forget that the bayonet was still in the muzzle.... I'm guessing that mistake was only made once per gunner, possibly only once per gun.

@arandomfawn5289 4 жыл бұрын

3:40 " that wasn't supposed to happen" moments

@TheSharkeyandgeorge 4 жыл бұрын

Ian do you get to keep these?, if so I would love to see some deep cleaning videos on them

@ostsan8598 4 жыл бұрын

You would, you perv. Hehehe. (not that I wouldn't mind some deep cleaning vids as well).

@christianfritz6333 3 жыл бұрын

I have an 1891 ts exactly like the one in the front with the cross mount lug, however the sling mounts are side mounted with no evidence of having them on the bottom the stock is serialized and matches. Do I have a unicorn? Or more then likely a replaced stock?

@nickjoseph6094 3 жыл бұрын

Picked one up a couple years back, inaccurate as all hell but the trigger is pretty good for a rifle manufactured in 1917. Beautiful looking rifle too.

@twhontehwon200 4 жыл бұрын

Mind blowing

@blank557 4 жыл бұрын

Sweet looking carbine. Wish ammo was more common.

@Hawk1966 4 жыл бұрын

"Hey, this carbine was the rifle my father was issued when he was in the army!"

@richardwalker8291 10 ай бұрын

I'm interested how these worked out accuracy wise, as the barrels had gain twist rifling. I would think this would cut the fast twist portion of the barrel off resulting an terrible accuracy......

@1südtiroltechnik 4 жыл бұрын

How did they treat these wood handles, which oil/wax and whats the technique?

@michaelw.urbansr.8617 Жыл бұрын

Mine has the Terrini stamps with the number 17 next to it and looks as though per the stock it was built in 1948? Or maybe a refurbishe of a much older rifle in a newer stock at some point before it came here by the armory? Will have ot watch this video twice to make sure i know hwoi to dat e the rifle as well?lol

@Darth-Nihilus1 4 жыл бұрын

I was going to buy one for $350 and the only problem is that it didn’t have a mag and I couldn’t find the ammo unless I order it on the internet

@MrRedsjack 4 жыл бұрын

Did he ever mentioned that the Finn's used the upgraded version of the Carcano to great effect against the Russians (winter war) and that the bullet used by the upgraded Carcano was used as an inspiration to make the AK 47s standard bullet (which is essentially the same as the Carcano's upgraded bullet). (the Italian army didn't get the upgraded version because of production costs, they only sold it to the Finn's and few others when war came they went back to making the older version in order to avoid logistics issues and production slow downs)

@neutronalchemist3241 4 жыл бұрын

Actually to manufacture the 7.35 was cheaper than manufacturing the 6.5. they gave up due to logistic considerations, since they couldn't build enough rifles to equip the entire army in short time, and didn't want to supply two different rifle ammunitions.

@maledetto1221 4 жыл бұрын

The Italian sold to them because it was to expensive to rearm all the army and they didn't had the time(it was introduced in the '38) to produce enough, the fact that they had to cut the old rifles from WW1 shows how difficult it could be to produce enough for a war

@georgesmith5708 4 жыл бұрын

@@maledetto1221 gli amatori parlano di tattica e strategia, i professionisti parlano di logistica

@neutronalchemist3241 4 жыл бұрын

@@maledetto1221 the shortening of the old rifles had been made in 1924 and ceased in 1928, when they started to build brand new 91/28TS. The situation ten years later was completely different. Simply the production of new rifles started in 1938, the war in Europe begun a year later, and it was clear that, in case Italy decided to join it, there would have not been enough time to equip all the army with the new caliber. The 91/24 TS were intended to be stopgap weapons for rear echelon troops not destined to the first line. The same troops that in WWI had been equipped with converted Vetterli.

@michaelw.urbansr.8617 Жыл бұрын

Hey brother i have loved your video's since the 1st one i ever watched a long time ago! I have a question about this version which i purchased from RTI. Its one of the models that was stored and kept by the Italian Gov. Is there a way to tell to whome it was issued too? Not the person but the type of unit? Like Artilliry or Naval units and so on? Id love to know what type of troops ,used my rifle? Thanks

@genericpersonx333 4 жыл бұрын

Italy is definitely one of many states whose pride was always cashing checks their industry just laughed at the idea of paying for. At least they ended up with most of their guns using the same ammunition unlike some others. The joys of chaos in the Interwar period.

@fishdisc7022 4 жыл бұрын

Didn't they use gain twist rifling in the long guns? If they cut those down wouldn't it cause accuracy problems?

@patrickdobbels2342 4 жыл бұрын

Hello I just bought one of the TS carbines. The front band is just like the sideways one but the lug is front to back. Any answers? Please return my question.

@dwalker7427 4 жыл бұрын

Ian! You da man!

@yuibot5998 4 жыл бұрын

Just ordered a 91/24 from Buds...wish me luck Also ordered brass, bullets, dies, and all that good junk. I have a Finn marked Carcano in 7.35 but this will be my first in 6.5

@exploatores 4 жыл бұрын

the problem with the bayonet. gives me a idea. you kind of need a blank firing cartiridge and a bayonet that fit over the barrel. Then they might be pasuble to do something usefull :)

@user-gm5bv2ez2r 9 ай бұрын

the perpendicular bayonet lug, I suppose for not recoiling-off, but I have read in some Carcano books, so that the enemy soldier could not easily snatch the bayonet off the rifle. this seems rather gimmicky, like jeeps that can run six feet underwater. the Alpini? in my 27 years airborne infantry, I trained with them several times, indeed about the best light infantry I ever met, "mountain specialized" most mountain bhoys. These carbines were good for the occasional climbing raids - the Austrian troops had similar carbines, troops, & tactics

@anthonyhayes1267 4 жыл бұрын

Something on my priority list :)

@eliseodimartino5726 4 жыл бұрын

Hey I'm a long time viewer of your channel and I really like your content. I'm Italian and I wanted to give you the correct pronunciation of the word moschetto " mosketto". Keep the videos coming. Grazie!!!

@therealinak 4 жыл бұрын

So I’ve got a mystery rifle. I think it’s a 91/24 but it doesn’t match these rifles - at all. It’s stamped 1918 Terni. No overstamp for rearsenal. It has the long rifle sights, but they’re unmodified and the adjustable blade is full length. It’s carbine length. The rifle is in immaculate shape with perfect finish, but the stock was sporterized in the 1960s by the previous owner’s father. It was cut and rounded behind the barrel band, but retains a cleaning rod hole. The upper handguard was removed. With that said, I can’t tell what stock it wore. It’s obviously too long for a cavalry rifle and it doesn’t have the muzzle of the TS. Any idea what variant I have?

@THE_YIGLER 3 жыл бұрын

I cant help but wonder how the cut down rifles faired against the purpose built ones. Does the progressive rifling on the purpose built guns mimic that of the cut down ones or is it different?

@stephenj.mst3kfan836 4 жыл бұрын

It's pretty funny to see a bayonet fly off the rifle, while ian is shooting, not in combat, of course. That's another story.

@WalterBurton 4 жыл бұрын

The Special Troops mustered at the short bus before deployment.

@avengermkii7872 4 жыл бұрын

What was the gun that he was using for the second bayonet fail? I know the first was the Lebel rifle

@budprepper3811 4 жыл бұрын

do you have a video on the 8mm mauser carcanos?

@ttherealmikemonster 4 жыл бұрын

not just guns.history, story's of great interest.brilliant Iran.

@auxmike718 4 жыл бұрын

Carcanos are so freakin cool...

@ChiefMiddleFinger 4 жыл бұрын

The elevation adjustment was a wee bit optimistic.

@camel4493 4 жыл бұрын

Ian, you have to do a review on a north Vietnamese or a Vietcong copy SKS. I know you have one in your collection and I would really appreciate it if you do a video on it.