Awwwwwn

That's sweet. 💞

@@zetovidillard 💋💋

@@dystopian2153 🥰💋💋

That's so f'n cool. True love.💋

Real :) I learned this bass line cause my boyfriend loved the song and I fricking love to play it

This song is a drug! Playing it perfectly on my matte black Demon Schecter bass is 1000x better than any pharmaceutical drug.....

Slap’n the hell out of it!!

🎉 WowYowZa 💀🖤💀

You are living the dream

cosmic_disaster27 yessss!!

Agree

Maybe that’s the point... to make it sound raw and grimy in other words “Dark”

💖💖💖

I signed the specimen as songwriters and then got them a deal with London Records and Sire in America . I financed the club and the Batcave Album.

@@RustyEgan cool

England !

@@RustyEgan so you would be well qualified to answer jon hillman's query, but yet ...

They didnt need to tour tjey made the batcave lol

True, originally the Batcave was a Goth nightclub. However, a lot of people grew to associate the name with a specific subgenre of Goth that was played there, and the definition morphed.

Raigh DarkHawk Exactly. It IS a sub-genre of goth, named after a goth club night. Bat Cave is essentially the British equivalent to LA's deathrock.

Honestly, in my experience it was more broken up into Jocks/Popular Trendy kids who usually hated us Punks and Goths and New Wave/New Romantics, who usually went to the same parties and intermingled pretty freely. Then their were Heavy Metalers also known as Hessians. I liked metal and was sometimes called a traitor for that. If there was a fight and a goth or punk was in trouble then the others would usually help out. We all pretty much stuck together.We didn't get too obsessed with the real subtleties of genres and subgenres back in the day. There was NO internet so it was a lot less easy to verify what someone else was calling stuff or what they were doing or wearing across the country or world. It would be more like you look "goth" because you wear all black/black nail polish whatever (which was way rare) and you are generally spooky and stuff and people would ask what bands you liked. I might describe myself as really digging some of that bat cave type stuff like Specimen and Alien Sex Fiend and just death rock stuff like Christian Death. The sub genres were not written in stone yet. But Bat Cave was definitely used to describe a style of hair. clothes and music. Specimen is the ultimate Bat Cave band because Ollie the singer, started the Bat Cave. Even glam rock metal heads would hang around with thrash metal fans (Believe me I know, because I had to listen to some shitty ass glam metal (Bon Jovi, Winger, Ratt) at times. There were labels but they were more descriptive and less restrictive in many ways. Although there were those lines that were rarely crossed like Heavy Metal to Punk and Hip Hop to Rock.

Das stimmt schon, aber man sagt ja auch das z.B. Dark Wave ein Genre ist. . . obwohl es eigentlich ja die Dark Wave Bewegung war, also eine Zeit in der sich etwas musikalisch verändert hat, oder ? Bat Cave ist zwar kein richtiges Genre, aber der Club hatte trotzdem einen gewissen Stil von der Musik her (der sich dann ein bischen verbreitet hat)

I always thought of Goth as an offshoot of Glam

I just cant....

for me the song that makes me feel like i can rule the world is my ordinary life by the living tombstone ✨

til you come up against the first group of teens that make you feel insecure and make you double down and go back home.

I can smell the clove cigarettes.

Done it!❤

Done it❤

Actually, the term Batcave music is used to describe all the bands which rose to popularity in the club and beginning the goth scene.

ThatBabyBat I agree with you

If you grew up in Seattle in the mid 80's we called ourselves "Batcave." I first heard the term "Goth" in 1990ish.

Bat Cave the subgenre is named for the club/night. But yes, it IS a subgenre now, essentially equating to UK deathrock, as opposed to say the Cure or Sisters Of Mercy, or all of that EBM shit that belongs at a rave instead of a goth-night. Like American deathrock, Bat Cave falls somewhere on a spectrum between the post-punk influenced sound of Joy Division, Bauhaus, and the Banshees, and the horror punk sound of Misfits, Samhain, The Undead, Rudimentary Peni, and the Screaming Dead.

@@johnstag2030 agree with the OP

there now is a video on yt for this song:)

@@jasonguild9306 Jason is that you?

Amen 👏👏👏👏👏👏

LOVE IT

bolmsp Death Rock! Goth wasn’t even a word back then.

Fuck those haters hard!!!!!

Im a gen z teen and goth is so cool

Awesome isn't it ?

@@jcoup1215it totally is

This 80, 2?

Koko B Thank you for not calling it goth! It is death rock yes!!!!!

@@chrismc.893 Specimen is gothic rock band as well. They don't classify into one genre

Dont we all

fr!

Thank you for calling it what it is!

xDD yes

I gave up and now I play by ear

Katarzyna Barejko Same here, I got it down for the most part, the intro is fun to play on bass.

Ear players rise up

play it by ear.

Yes; Yes, he did.

No.

@@moldvox what do you mean no?

@@IncredulousMisanthrope the comment above mine suggested I "just enjoy a good tune" and I don't do what other people tell me to do. Lol.

@@moldvox wow you're so rebellious....

@@moldvox careful with that edge kid, you're gonna cut yourself

***** but it sounds f'ing amazing!!! the tone, the grit...I would kill for that bass sound on one of my tunes :)

Plasticsoul A J bass with low action can get that feel and sound. 👍

Just a wee bit.

Do you mean out of tune or out of key for a note?

That's not a bug; it's a feature.

Don't worry, today they are all about the same here even.

Start a goth scene there

Me too. Except minus the place part...

madhousemortuary sith i’m malaysian yey

omg so true

Guess someone gotta made it by ears.

@@syahaz7088 Yes, I have tried it like this :). Tkx.

Rusty Egan Rusty Egan from Rich Kids, etc.? If so, wow! Ghosts Of Princes In Towers is one of my formative albums. There at one of the most important periods in a person's life. I still listen to it constantly. (I have a few copies in different formats). If it's not you, ahem, sorry.

Real talk

Real talk

Sorry I don't comment that much on here, but yes I signed these guys and put them in the studio I was there but let them produce themselves with our team. We had Flood , Mark Stent Clive Martin an amazing teem of producers . We made the album and got them a deal with SIRE.

Its me Johnny . I signed this band and we started The Batcave, once it was open they ran it to support the band. Great guys , loved them .

Deathrock is just Goth marinated in Punk, after all.

Klauss Klemann Nope! Death Rock! Goth wasn’t even a word back then.

Muito bom o sem desse baixo !

Tô me perguntando isso agora kssks

What's up what are you up to

Nunca é tarde demais.

​@@paulaadrianadeoliveira3617eu também tô assim

Yes there is debate on many deathrock/glam rock/punk/post-punk bands being slumped as goth rock and the reason why is because these bands which at the time were unknowingly being pioneers in music, were playing a unique sound that manifested in between the transition of punk-rock to the new term goth rock. Many of these bands were called post-punk artists but did not incorporate the angst, political and rebellious lyrical context, guitar work that derived from rock n roll/garage rock or the attitude and shouting instead of singing as Punk music did. Post-punk derived from punk but had more singing and melody and different guitar work. They later developed a sub-culture and fashion sense that came with the musical style that was influenced by Punk and Glam rock. These very same post-punk bands evolved into different formats themselves and influenced new bands into a more melancholy and darker tone in music implementing droning or flanging guitars, effects such as reverb and echo, darker, bleaker or menacing basslines and synth work, that often resulted in a cold, harsh, desolate, melancholy or haunting sound that contrasted well with the image and rock style from before. They changed their image & lyrical sense to a more romanticism, religious symbolism, vampiric imagery that played along between love and death subjects as well as changed their vocal approach into deeper voices with echo effects that complemented with the emotion and sounds they produced that resulted in vampire-esque or depressing sounds that went along with the sounds atmosphere. These bands at the time were known as Post-Punk. But people and journalists noticed the darker sounds, lyrical and fashion change of some post-punk bands and therefor deeming the term Goth/Gothic Rock. These pioneering bands were Siouxsie & the Banshees, Joy Division, The Cure, Bauhaus, 45 Grave, And Also The Trees, Christian Death, The Birthday Party, The Damned, Sisters of Mercy, Suicide, The Virgin Prunes, Kommunity FK, Specimen. All deriving from Punk/Glam Rock Music and changing or incorporating Gothic sounds/imagery to their music which formed Goth/Gothic Rock. So in essence that's why Specimen also bare the Goth Rock label. They have influenced and continue to influence many bands that at that time Goth Rock genre was coined and caught on. Not all of their songs have the Gothic rock sound and that's why many people debate that they are not Goth Rock. Besides the Punk/Post-punk/glam rock sound, if you listen to some of their songs and understand that at the time the genre didn't exist, you can hear why and how they have influenced Gothic Rock artists and can be tagged as Gothic Rock as well since they were one of the bands that paved the way for the genre. The label started from a place and it is not fair to not give credit to the artists who helped develop it weather people dislike the genre or the label. The debate of labeling them only goth rock or any other genre is a question of who and how people want to or don't care to for the sake of just categorizing their music collection and following the trend and find similar tastes. Since most artists and fans are generally not into one overall label as it seems to type-cast an artist as one form of style and to not disparage or undermine an artists work, the term Goth Rock was never meant to just be one label to categorize an artists full body of work nor make an artist seem like that's all they were capable of producing but just another genre as every other. Hope this helps anyone understand Goth Rock and its history

evilspin Thanks, very well written. I've listened to a lot of post-punk bands and have a lot of the artists you mention in my cd collection, so I know exactly what you mean. I suppose when I commented about Specimen I erred in looking back on the 'goth' label through the lens of 30 years of music, instead of mentally placing myself at the time the song was made.

evilspin Very, very well written indeed.

+evilspin Thank you for writing this, good to read whilst listening.

This is really well put, evilspin. When I think back to going to "goth" clubs of the 80s, so much of what got heavy rotation would not be considered Gothic proper today. There was so much genre mixing that went into defining what goth proper would become. I can remember hearing everything from punk to new wave to goth to early industrial and even house at the clubs in Los Angeles at the time. So many fringe genres came together in the formation of what we consider goth today that there are bound to be many outliers who were important in defining the genre but no longer necessarily seem of the genre.