Yeah, they added that after we shot our review. Huge benefit as that can add up quick! - Coop

Good and bad. Good that it's free, bad that it kinda confirms Coop's concerns about longetivity. If you throw away your subscription business model just to sell the hardware, you likely really want that hardware gone.

@@rjm656 Definitely don't disagree, but it could also be a way to get their product out there early for company that has some stiff competition. Acknowledging that, financially, you may be at more of a loss at the beginning of the business to setting yourself up for long term success isn't always a bad move. If it gets more buyers at the door now, it then guarantees more exposure for a market that is currently oversaturated with subscription type products.

Can you do a review on Oxefit XS1 or XP1?

Wouldn’t that then future proof it? The fact you can use it without a membership I think lends itself to longevity if the company fails. Kinda think coop did a disservice to spin it the other way.

Which do you like best if you could only have 1. Most of us can't afford 3 lol

@@KA-x2 Definitely the Tonal. It's smoother, the variety of arm positions is much better, it's more stable.

Did you end up buying it after this review? If you did, whats your thoughts?

I like the tonal without all the damn programs and “trainers” and subscription. I’d like to set up my own weights, do my own sets.

Yes Tonal is bigger in the US. But Speediance has shipped to world wide. And setting up official dealerships or sellers in many of these countries. Like India, France, Canada, Indonesia. Tonal is only in the US. So Speediance might become bigger. Who knows.

That and the cost is just crazy for what you get. $3-4k gets you a rack with integrated cables and lasts forever.

Such smart home products are different to a dumbell barbell combination. Regarding ''durability'' it's lile comparing an exotic or almost exotic sports car like a Lambo or Ferrari to an off road capable pickup like a Tundra (or the like) and state that the sports cars won't be as durable as the Tundra and will need more care. Yes, obviously, although they are both vehicles they are different, so are these equipment.

@@rjm656you get a modern device that can challenge you without having to adjust weight as it does it for you.

How is it better to stay with that? makes no sense to make such a statement. You can get big, strong, fast etc. using only your body, using TRX, using resistance bands, you can get a cheap functional trainer.. A barbell & weights is the most limiting way you can work out. Anything you can do with a barbell, you can more or less, do better with dumbbells. Sure, if we talk heavy deadlifts etc. But that kind of exercises are great on speediance and tonal and if you need to go to the weights of a bodybuilder, when.. then this isn't even your market and/or a homegym market, so it wouldn't matter. Not to mention, most people do not just use 1 thing and why would they.. personally I'm interested in almost all things when it comes to training. I use my TRX a lot, I also use my dumbbells, functional trainer etc. a lot, my barbells also gets used.. but I would MOST DEFINITELY love to try the Speediance as well.. There is no point in limiting yourself.

Yeah we all have less money because of Coop 😂

I agree 100% with you. Did you find any device that did suit your needs?

Or swing out arms, to do wider chest fly workout!

i think you could brace your bench to the platform. and it wouldnt be too hard to add a 2x4 to hold on your bench.

I don't think Gymera made it to production and left a lot of people hanging on Kickstarter

any thoughts after using it for the first few days?

​@@lukewilliam4087 My quick assessment The good: 1. Small footprint. This was the main reason I got this over any other workout machine/system. It fits in my bedroom next to my king size bed. Enough room to use with the smart handles. 2. Movable. The fact that this is on wheels and I can just move it was also another factor why I bought it. It's heavy, but not too difficult to move if needed. 3. Enough exercises to target all major muscle groups. Pretty amazing in a small package. Most major exercises work well enough. 4. The spotter mode is really nice. I feel comfortable pushing hard to complete a set and not worry too much about injuring myself. There are some caveats (see the bad below). 5. Easy to adjust and set up for different exercises. 6. The rower is a lot better built than I thought. It does provide a decent cardio workout. But the screen does not display a simulated person rowing in the ocean (would be a nice visual). Instead, you will see a trainer performing the row repeatedly. You can get a better stretch if you move the rower back a few inches. 7. Ability to create template workouts specific to what you want. I'm still building out mines for each major muscle group. The Just OK: 1. The accessories was just ok. I like the smart handles, but the rest are just ok built. Not too big an issue. 2. The various workouts are just average. There are many "special" workouts that I will never bother with (badminton workout, really??). 3. The predefined "Programs" are slightly above average. There are a few that I'm still deciding on. Each program can be 1-4 weeks long. Once you pick a program, you can't modify any of the exercises in the program. Would be nice if we could modify an exercise to one you prefer. 4. They list over 200 exercises, but its not well organized. You can filter though. I would prefer being able to sort exercises maybe by most used, etc. 5. Of the over 200 exercises, there are some that are just variations of the same. There are 6 woodchopper exercises (high, med, low, and left/right, which account for 6 exercises). There's still a decent library of exercises. 6. Wish it had lat pulldowns...one of my favorite exercises. there's a variation of it in which you lean forward, but it's not the same. The bad: 1. Not a fan of the skier exercises. 2. I do not do any heavy lifting with the barbell. It's just way too dangerous. 2a. For instance, if you want to do back squats and get in position with the barbell on your shoulders, once you engage the weights, it goes from 0 lbs to what you set very quickly, and if you are not bracing yourself for the weights, you will lose your grip and the barbell will come slamming down onto the platform. Even if you brace yourself, you have to train your body to be ready for that momentum of the digital weights getting added on so fast. It's quite a balancing act and not safe at all. I wasn't even using maximum weights (can't imagine how much tougher it would be). 2b. Same goes for bench presses using the barbell. You have to hold the barbell at the top position, then engage the weights with your thumb. This already puts you in an awkward position on one hand since it's moved off position to press the button, and if you are not ready for the weights, you could have the barbell crashing onto your chest. And don't even think about trying to engage the weights when the bar is sitting on your chest. It will put a ton of pressure on you and you will have a hard time pushing the weights up and off your chest. 2c. I've learned this the hard way...luckily I did not get injured. So I only use the smart handles for heavier weights. I replace all barbell exercises with the smart handles. 2d. Even heavy lifting with the smart handles is difficult. At the max setting, the weights get engaged way to fast, and you have to brace for it. I almost dislocated my right arm when I was trying to do a squat, with my arms up at my shoulders, and when the weights got added, it just came on too quickly, and even though I was ready, I still couldn't brace for the full weight, and my right arm got pulled down really hard in an awkward position. I surely can squat more than 220 lbs, but can't. Overall, it's been fun to use so far. My wife loves it. She was not thrilled about spending almost 3k, but she's enjoying the workouts. As for me, I'm been satisfied, but I would like to see improvements in safety and more engaging workouts.

@@SoCal- I was wondering how the barbell exercises would work with weight loading. They actually just came out with a platform, rather than the full get-up like this is. Looks like it'll hit all the major groups, which is really all I'm looking for, but it's about 1100 to 1400 with a discount and some free accessories thrown in (with lifetime membership). *highly considering it* as we've not been able to hit the gym for nearly a year with my wife just given birth to our first about 7 weeks back. we're now itching to get back into it, but now we have some time constraints, so having something compact and flexible with the exercises in the house we currently occupy (if it were my house we may just as well go with a Smith, but I don't need our son to be fiddling about with 25lbs plates, either), so a reasonably accessible without an outrageous monthly seems the way to go, which very well could be this. Thank you for the exercise experience review of the speediance, that's more along the line of what I'm trying to find.

7 months in and how do you like it?

@@ryanshannon6963 Hi. I didn't realize there was a question for me here. :) The barbell exercises are decent. As I mentioned, I don't do too much heavy lifting, and if I do try, I don't use the barbell (I still have concerns over it crashing onto me). Instead, I use mostly the individual handles, and they act like dumbells instead. So If I do lose grip, it won't crush me if i'm doing a bench press. I saw the Gym Pal they offer. It considered something similar (vitruvian) but felt it didn't offer enough in terms of back exercises, something the Gym Monster has more options for.

Same! I was just looking into the Oxefit and then GGR posts this video 😂.

There is a good chance this company will survive. China market is huge, they are also going to offer equipment for commercial gyms. This will be another stream of revenue that would help they survive longer. Tonal on the other hand is in serious financial issue. They are prob toast if someone larger doesn’t buy them.

I've set to see anything on a V frame and you posted this 7 months ago

​@@kyles8391there is some info on it, and you can't find demos of it on KZfaq if you look hard enough. But yeah, there is no release date or full showcases of it

@@kyles8391apparently the CEO has since stated that the V-frame has been axed as it would be far too costly

Have you used it yet? I’m curious on how long the shipping takes. Please update!

@@christinacurto7508 I've heard it takes over a month. So I still have at least a week or two. I won't really know until it ships.

I'd like to see it integrate with an app on my phone, tracking my resistance, settings, etc.

Did you end up getting one?

They said that will be more for the commercial space.

@@PalomaresChery Tonal does or the Speediance has a good partner mood?

What do u have Steve? I love this setup but don’t care/need the smart features. I’m close to going w Unitree pump but it also requires an app & changing the setups for diff exercises

@@shahn78 I have a body craft functional trainer and a bench. Provides cable resistance basically

Appreciate the answer @@steverapos3904

Squatz apollo board and unitree pumps are good alternatives with no subscription needed

Speediance is actually Chinese. I thought that was bad at first but on the other hand that means that the parts will likely be accessible after, because speediance becomes very popular in China that is their biggest market. Speediance seems more like a "open-source" machine vs tonal. Tonal folks are control freaks that may brick your device if you resell or buy used. Tonal is available only on a few markets mostly because of their installation requirements, Speediance is spreading much quicker through retailers (e.g. they're already in Canada and Australia, while Tonal never got to both countries). And why do you think that Tonal and Peleton struggle financially right now? Because they were pioneers in their fields, but now there is a lot of competitors at same or better service and for less. Both Tonal and Peleton pricing seemed ridicoulous to me when I first saw them. When I first saw Tonal I thought "this is effing brilliant, I want one!". Then I saw the pricing and I thought "naaaah, I'll stick to free weights". And I'm not a low income earner, believe me. Both Peleton and Tonal boomed during covid because there was no alternative and people had too much cash to spend, they grew to large companies, and now they are being slowly eaten chunk by chunk by their competition that is simply better. All things considered, speediance seemed better to me. I pulled the trigger, I should get it within a week. No membership costs. I calculated that if I get 5yrs out of it, it will cost me 50% of what I'd have paid for a gym membership for me and my wife (we used to pay CA$120/month so $7200 for 5 years, while speediance costed us CA$4000 with lifetime membership). It's a good way to start your journey with magnetic smart weighs. In 5 years there will likely be other better machines that you'll want anyway. P.S. I was actually surprised but Speediance is to be offered in a commercial setting too at commercial gyms. They already have the machines ready. They also manufacture traditional gym equipment offered commercially. That seems like a stable business model.

@@MrDomestosWC thanks for the response!

Life before 2-day delivery that many people are expecting took weeks and sometimes months.

You have the added risk of software breaks as well since the software would never get another update at that point. But yeah I think for us folks that mostly use barbells and like the idea of smart gyms but don't need the programming, this one seems interesting.

this has an expensive subscriptions, a functional trainer subscriptions is zero. the FT5000 is like 10 times better in my opinion.

​@@PhantomBlank the subscription isn't necessary to use this device fully

​@@PhantomBlankoffering free lifetime subscription for now. They said if get the free lifetime membership. It will transfer if you get a new machine.

What I'd like to see is something like a FT5000 with an interactive screen/trainer

Or peloton 😂

I’ll chime in here as an owner of a pretty built out garage gym and also an owner of a Peloton bike and a Tonal.. In terms of less utility vs a rack, yes and no. The Tonal is a nice addition in that it brings a bunch of cable movements to the table that I can’t easily perform in my garage gym and squat rack setup- I simply don’t have the space for a functional trainer and things like DIY pulleys aren’t nearly as versatile. I still use them but the Tonal hits that need for me better. That said, THE big reason we own a Tonal is that no device has ever gotten my wife to want to do strength training before like this EVER. She’s tried working out in the garage with me, we previously owned a mirror, we have done things like dumbbells and kettlebells for, etc. Nothing has ever stuck like Tonal has. The programming, the visual cues for form correction, the video coaches, the ability to do online group workouts with her friends with Tonal, all of those have made her go from a barre/pilates class junkie to working out at home on a Tonal 4-5x a week. They’ve nailed the market segment of making strength training at home feel approachable and non intimidating. Dudes who squat, bench, dead, press heavy and own a rack just aren’t their target demographic. And I think that’s great! My wife now enjoys strength training, and when we’ve been away from home on vacation, she’s now more keen (and capable) of working out in a more traditional gym setting. re: Peloton, I’m of mixed feelings of if the subscription costs are merited- yes, there are comparable spin bikes for MUCH cheaper, let alone the monthly costs tacked on. But having owned ours for years, there’s just no comparable experience in the market in terms of the sheer size of the library of instructor led classes or the experience of doing live rides, particularly with friends. Peloton does an excellent job of community building and leveraging that as a means toward habit building that I think is overall net positive. Worth the costs and rising monthly costs, there’s where I’m 50/50. I probably am now (just) in the not worth camp, but for my friends who are avid avid riders now who spend 8, 10 hours a week on their bikes or treads, I fully understand why they do and why it’s worth for them. I’m just now outside the target audience as resistance training is my main focus vs endurance. A Peloton owned Tonal experience with both being a single ecosystem would be ideal, but I suspect that Peloton’s financials aren’t in a position where that is a feasible option. One could dream though. TL;DR: smart gyms and connected home fitness equipment def serve a purpose and an audience. It’s just not one and the same as the audience that is debating the merits of 5/8s vs 1” hole sizing in their power racks or the nuance of metric vs imperial “3x3” post sizes. 😅

@@djbakasan LOL, you go on and on. I stopped reading after the second sentence. I'm 63 and I'm 5'10 180 and still pump iron and squat. All of that useless stuff you went on and on about is unnecessary.

@@jackbean7195 people are different and likes different stuff. LOL

@@jackbean7195That’s great. I’m nearing my 50s and in my 60s I intend to still be pumping iron as well! Your view proves my point- the things you view as important, a ton of people have no desire to do or are intimidated to do or lack the space, whatever the reason. The things you view as unnecessary are the things that might compel some of them to actually get stronger. More people, especially Americans, need to stop living sedentary lives and get stronger. If it takes magnets and screens to get them to do it, then awesome. Happy wife, happy life, I want my wife to “let” me upgrade my rack to Rep Ares so I can do all the cable stuff in my space and leave the Tonal to her :P

As I moved north of 40, I use free weights less frequently due to risk of injury. Machines and functional trainers make up the most of my gym time. For a home option, the size and convenience of these over plates is massive.

@@balboa0621 Gee , I'm 63 and still pump iron and still squat.

@@balboa0621 I got a dumb home gym and I love all the metal weights, the barbell knurl, its just immensely satisfying to workout with. But I basically need a whole (basement) room for it it's noisy and everything is bulky and god damn heavy. Those smart gyms are far more convenient, take up less space and are a lot safer to use. If you are living in a flat for example it should be the prefect product. But 4.5k + 60 monthly for tonal... That's a gym membership at a not too shabby gym plus a massive upfront cost. Even for 30 monthly like this one you can get a gym membership at a clean gym with a decent selection of machines (in my area at least). I can see why these companies aren't doing to well post pandemic. You don't really save any money compared to a gym membership and have to wager convenience against the quite limited range of exercises you can do with these smart gyms. Plus if something brakes its your problem, not some guy at the gym that takes care of it all for no added cost to you. I personally think the future will be smart home gyms, sensors/cameras to track your lifting speed, power output and form will be like a free personal trainer + spotter and everything with less injury risk and neatly out of the way when you don't use it. At this point though I don't see the value. I'd get a gym membership over one of these machines every time.

@@freedomrings1420 good for you. For me, the risk of injury outweighs the benefits of lifting free weights vs other forms of strength training. I certainly wouldn't put hundreds of pounds on my shoulders with the weight compressing my spine anymore. For me, the risks outweigh the benefits. Stay healthy, my friend.

@@balboa0621 But that doesn't really apply to what I said. There are plenty of "non-smart" machines home gyms that won't wear out/break besides some pulleys and cables (easy enough to replace) that don't take up much room either. (they do weigh more of course). They don't have have useless electronics that will rapidly age and not work and be irreplaceable and/or require some subscription to the company to "rent it" for ever.

Free lifetime membership right now

Speediance still offer free lifetime subscription.