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Күн бұрынA few months of heavy use with the R4251 12" dual bevel compound miter saw from Ridgid, and I want to share an honest review! I know that there are going to be a lot of questions like:
-Is the R4251 the same as the Delta Cruzer?
-Does the R4251 have Ridgid's lifetime service agreement?
-Is the sliding mechanism on the R4251 accurate?
-How do I change the blade on the R4251?
I'll cover ALL OF THOSE and more in this honest review!
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00:00 - Unboxing and Initial Setup
01:16 - Basic Functionality
04:00 - Calibrating the Saw
05:00 - Changing the Blade
05:35 - Dust Collection
07:30 - Trench/Dado Feature
08:00 - Let's Talk About the Issues
09:06 - Testing the Sliding Accuracy
12:42 - Ridgid's Lifetime Service Agreement
13:35 - Should YOU Buy This Saw?
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@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
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@rickyperkins232 2 жыл бұрын
Is this a belt driven saw?
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
I’m not sure
@tagsmyser4299 2 жыл бұрын
@@rickyperkins232 , yes, yes it is. I've been really happy with the performance of this saw...
@bobd. 2 жыл бұрын
@@SpencleyDesignCo How can you be evaluating this saw if you can't answer that question? It's either belt drive, direct drive, or gear driven.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Easy, I evaluated the saw by using it
@vsar1938 2 жыл бұрын
You know what? This is an insanely good review. This is what I expect out of a review, which means nothing to others. But seriously well done👍🏻
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, V! I appreciate the support!
@davidmingues9553 Жыл бұрын
That was a good honest run down on that saw. Well done. I'm a Ridged guy and I depend on there tools every day. They make great products and I would never have guessed that wasn't made by Ridged. As far as blede deflection it all in the experienced hands operating it. Thanks for the honest demo and info.
@Jaypark1113 2 жыл бұрын
I was about to get one of those, and it is perfect time to watch your review. Specially multiple cuts that gives woble. Thank you.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Sure thing! What are you looking at buying now?
@chucksolomon7479 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review. I was looking at one and wondering if I should replace my Ridgid 12inch slider. You made my decision easy. Keep what I have. And yes it is messy, but I built a big dust trap behind my saw and it traps 98% of the dust and I just vacuum out periodically and the rest of the shop does not get a repeated dustying of sawdust. Thanks for the review!
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Sure thing, chuck!
@EOTE_TX 10 ай бұрын
This is the same saw as the Delta Cruzer which I have. I have cut over 100K board feet (thousands of cuts) and I found that as you become familiar with your saw you will find that you can be consistent in producing cuts within 1/64th of an inch. Mine does not wobble so easily side to side as your demonstration saw. You may want to talk with the support team from the manufacturer. Since I got this saw I very rarely make cross cuts on my table saw as I find this produces consistent cuts.
@philholwell2673 Жыл бұрын
Great review! Love the in detail review. Much better then just reading specs from a sheet
@mikeobryan1713 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this video. I was just about to buy this and I’m so thankful I saw this.
@kenb6102 7 ай бұрын
I have the 10 inch Delta Cruzer, and the Ridgid sliding miters are the same machine, basically. I bought it because I have limited space and this design uses way less space. I have found it to be very accurate if I take my time and am careful not to introduce any deflection myself. I replaced the stock blade with a Freud Diablo 80 tooth and the cuts are butter smooth. I often will cut 4 or more boards at the same time for accuracy and it powers through them with ease. These are just my observations, and in my opinion it is an excellent saw. However, YMMV, and this is the only sliding miter I have owned so I have nothing to compare it to. One thing about the hold-down clamp-If you push the support rod to one side you can lift it right up or push it down quickly, without using the threads. Then tighten it down by turning the threaded knob.
@John-vf9py 2 жыл бұрын
Ridgid tools are/were manufactured by Emerson tool company, these Ridgid NEXT tools are apparently contracted now through Chang Type Industrial Industrial (Delta). I purchased the 2nd gen Delta of this saw model 26-2251 which I returned within 3 days due to the blade deflection as you precisely described. I desperately wanted to find this saw perfect and LOVED the smoothness of the arms, But as you described when it comes to finish carpentry, you cannot have any blade deflection maybe during rough cuts of framing lumber and even that's pushing it. The harder the wood the more deflection also. They need to correct this issue or this saw is no better than a boat anchor. BEST REVIEW ON KZfaq. Thank you.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Yup! It’s a shame this saw is such a piece of junk 🤷♂️
@jimhunter00 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the very thorough review. It good to see a tool review that appears to be non bias.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! I tried my best to be impartial
@joeyfredrick9919 2 жыл бұрын
I just sold my Delta Cruzer (same saw) because of the play and dust collection. I agree the dust collection on most miter saws stinks but this one is especially horrible. It spits dust right in your face, especially when it's extended. I replaced it with the metabo hpt and the dust collection is comparitively wonderful. No dust in the face what so ever and that's just with the bag. Big step up! Thanks for the review. Always nice when reviews confirm my issues
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! I totally agree, this saw is absolute junk 🤣
@John-ye4nv 2 жыл бұрын
Nice review. I have Festool Kapex and yes it has a good clamp system, but dust collection is outstanding. I am not kidding when I say that it pays for itself because of time I save on cleanup. The Festool is insanely accurate and repeatable. Easy saw blade changes, trench cuts a super simple adjustments.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds better than this hunk of junk 🤣
@davidmuresan1735 Жыл бұрын
Look my Parallel Guided Power Saw.
@panchobrown7562 2 жыл бұрын
That was an excellent video. Previously I tried the 10" Delta Cruzer and hated it. I understood the saw would not provide precise cuts due to the deflection and could live with that as I was only doing rough cuts. What I could not live with was the amount of dust that would get thrown in my face even with vacuum dust collection connected. Again excellent review, thanks for sharing.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the feedback, Pancho! What are you using now?
@panchobrown7562 2 жыл бұрын
@@SpencleyDesignCo Metabo 10" sliding miter saw and I really like it; however recently I been just using a cordless Makita circular saw for my rough cuts therefore the miter saw rarely gets used. I guess I could really live without a miter saw but just like having it in the shop for some reason.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
That’s how I am. I haven’t had a miter saw for almost 2 years but got one just to see if I could change my mind. I’m unlikely to use the miter saw for anything until I get into home renovation projects
@trevorm7013 2 жыл бұрын
You didn’t say mayonnaise😡
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Mustard
@bretthollenbeck812 2 жыл бұрын
Mayonnaise. Excellent honest review, and spot on. I have owned the Delta Cruzer 12” version for a couple of years now and wish I’d seen a review like this before buying it. The dust collection does really suck!…even for a miter saw. And the deflection is bad and very irritating. Like you said, for accurate precision cuts I now always use my table saw and quality miter gauge. Thanks!
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
I’m glad to hear a delta user chime in and confirm the same thing I see. Dang it sucks that your saw is this bad too!
@hazembata 2 жыл бұрын
Miracle Whip - I appreciate the honest review. Looking to get a miter saw. Bosch is top on my list but it is pricey. Was looking for a cheaper option. Hoping Rigid might work I need a high accuracy saw. You saved me A LOT of potential headaches. Thanks.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Miracle whip?
@terrybollenbaugh7622 2 жыл бұрын
Miter saws are great for rough cutting lumber quickly down to rough size for milling purposes. After that I switch to my miter on my table saw or get out the table saw sled. Both are much more accurate. Good thought provoking video.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
I couldn't agree more. Thanks for watching, Terry!
@mikeschiavone7336 Жыл бұрын
That might be true but how practical would that be jobsite to jobsite
@scsc9311 2 жыл бұрын
I have the Delta Cruiser 10" model. It was a pretty good review. You did however leave something out. When you remove the fences, there are two swing away brackets that turn into makeshift fences. Flip them to the rear, and put a 2x4 on the base, and you effectively extend the cross cut capacity of the saw by a few inches. Very handy.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
I never knew that! Pretty neat!
@flip1503 Жыл бұрын
Mayonnaise I am just a DIYer doing stuff around the house and trying to get into woodworking. I am debating between a Ridgid corded or cordless miter saw. I am a big fan of Ridgid and that is what is influencing my brand preference. Thanks for your input!
@tboyd5791 2 жыл бұрын
Mayonnaise: Thanks for the thorough review. I was looking for reviews as I was debating about returning the R4251 I just bought to make lots of picture frames accurately. I could not get a square corner to save my life, and contacted customer service. Their advice was to check cal, which I am confident is dead on. If I cut a 45 miter angle, and immediately put the cut piece up to the blade, there is at least a 1 degree delta. Your review confirms my suspicions about the wambliness of the mechanism, and I am taking her back and going back to the table saw/sled. I need a method to create fixturing stops for longer pieces for the sled.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
It’s definitely very wambly!
@libradrag0n Жыл бұрын
Good review. I wonder if the deflection would be worse with bevel cuts.
@mmcfreds 2 жыл бұрын
Mayonnaise I’m in the market for a slider and was leaning toward this over the blue one until I saw this video (can’t imagine buying the Kapex $$$). The whole point of a 12” slider is to make wider crosscuts, the slop is a deal-breaker for sure. Thanks for a great review, subs +1
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely a dealbreaker on this hunk of junk
@RossTheGenMan Жыл бұрын
Mayonaise. Discovered your channel the other day. Lots of good stuff and honest opinions. I think most wood workers I watch seem to agree that a miter saw is only for rough breakdowns. In larger shops a person would typically position it in an area where they do rough breadowns along with a jointer and planer.
@davidnorton9997 2 жыл бұрын
Great review. Your presentation and quality is fantastic. Subscribed for sure. I've seen a few of these folding arm type saws and have been thinking about it. That wiggle room is just not acceptable for me. I'm looking to upgrade from my sliding harbor freight miter saw and I'm trying to find a good saw that doesn't cost an outrageous amount for my small shop. I've seen the Metabo saws which have the rails facing forwards instead of shooting out behind the blade for a mile. Might pick one of those up when I'm done upgrading other things.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
That’s so much for the support, David!
@julioacevedo1035 2 жыл бұрын
Mayonnaise. Don't have a question just wanted to let you know that I saw this review in it's entirety and it was fantastic. You covered just about every question I or anyone else could have asked. Two thumbs up Eric.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much, Julio!
@alexyu6928 2 жыл бұрын
I was just in Home Depot this morning checking out this exact same saw. One thing it is truly outstanding against all other miter saw is the silky smooth sliding and up and down motion. Instead of traditional two bars on which the saw slides Rigid uses two folding arms and the sliding motion is effortless and super smooth. Also without using two bars there is no chance any sawdust gets on the bars and hinder the sliding motion. Too bad that it not very precise as tested in this video otherwise I would buy it in a heart beat.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
The slider is super super smooth!
@JamesKelly89 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder how it compares with the Delta Cruzer.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Probably very similar
@John-vf9py 2 жыл бұрын
@@JamesKelly89 it is the cruzer BUT Orange
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Hopefully the delta one doesn’t deflect this bad 🤣
@andrewsutter1734 2 жыл бұрын
Wow looks just like the 12" Delta Cruzer saw I purchased several years ago. Love it.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking out the video, Andrew! It's made by their parent company
@anthonylagnese7681 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review. Ive been waiting a long time to see a test on mitersaw blade deflection. I would like to see more mitersaw reviews with a test for deflection in addition to the miter accuracy. 1/8" deflection could drive me crazy eve in trim carpentry. Thanks again and maybe consider doining more like this.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! What saw would you like me to test next?
@anthonylagnese7681 2 жыл бұрын
@@SpencleyDesignCo Is there a saw with acceptable deflection for woodworking , that is in a price range for home users?
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
I haven’t used any miter saws that I’m comfortable recommending to people. All the ones I’ve used were awful
@erikbogart676 2 жыл бұрын
Holy crap! Never in a million years did I expect true hammer contact! Subscribed, I highly respect a man who does what he says!
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
True hammer?
@erikbogart676 2 жыл бұрын
@@SpencleyDesignCo as in truly hit it with a freaking hammer lol. I've seen a hundred guys say something like that, then pump fake the strike. You were beating that thing without hesitation. A man who does what he says, and says what he means is a kin to my m.o....... salute
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
I’m not sure I follow, but I take it as a compliment? Haha
@erikbogart676 2 жыл бұрын
@@SpencleyDesignCo in the shortest way. Most people are bullshitters
@bobmeeks96 2 жыл бұрын
Mayonnaise: Thanks for this honest and informative review. I’m in the market for a new saw and this is the one I was waiting for due to the zero clearance feature. Now, not even a contender. Although it probably wouldn’t affect most of the things I use a miter saw for, just knowing it has that much deflection would drive me nuts. Thanks.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Haha yeahhh…if you’re doing framing the deflection probably wouldn’t matter. But it would drive you nuts knowing it’s there! 🤣
@mikrch3935 Жыл бұрын
This is a great video. I'm so close to buying this mitre saw, but torn between this or DeWalt. I do love the slide arms for storage reasons. I'm just a DIY guy so exact cuts not needed, but would be nice. I have a 10" Ryobi mitre saw now, I just want to cut larger material. Thanks again for the video
@6j6666 Жыл бұрын
Get the dewalt
@OldFashionedDude123 2 жыл бұрын
Mayo.....Thanks for the great review of the saw. I really liked your honest assessment and recommendation of who should buy the saw and what the intended market is.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Honestly, I think it’s a very very slim number of people that would get any use out of this saw
@wildpat03 2 жыл бұрын
BEARNAISE (just cuz I'm contradictory...) That was one of the miter saws I was looking at. I agree with the 2 main downsides, dust collection and imprecise cuts (even worse on angle cuts). My need was a minimalistic back clearance as I have a very small garage/shop. Out of the 2 other candidates, Metabo and Makita, I went with the Makita. Dust collection is awesome and accuracy pretty good ONCE the saw is PROPERLY calibrated (not shouting here, just an emphasis). Thanks for a great review!
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking out the video, Patrick! Seems like a lot of people like that makita
@wildpat03 2 жыл бұрын
@@SpencleyDesignCo Yep, pretty good one I'd say. It has some minor downsides too, though I think they are very minor, and it's not cheap. Blade deflection I think is inherent to the double bevel sliding compound concept cuz there are many points for play and fabrication tolerances are what they are. Our choice is to pick the model with the less deflection, not an absence of deflection, unfortunately, as you showed with the Festool saw.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t say the festool is perfect by any means. Since making the video, I’ve used the festool and I still wouldn’t want it in my shop
@curban0520 2 жыл бұрын
Nice review! What's crazy is my old Ridgid non sliding saw has a quick clamp. Must be a cost saving measure.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Quick clamps are so handy! It’s a shame more saws don’t have them
@marvinmcconoughey3547 Жыл бұрын
True. I bought two of those Ridgid quick clamps and put them on my Bosch miter saw. They are tops for making multiple adjustments.
@scottdezieck7056 2 жыл бұрын
Nicely done video!!! You came up in my video feed for the first time today. I just subscribed. Very impressed with your presentation.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much, Scott! You’ve got a lot of videos to catch up on 😜
@scottdezieck7056 2 жыл бұрын
I'll start checking them out ...binge watching 😊
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Much appreciated! Trying my best to gain any traction I can on KZfaq 🤣
@user-uo4kb8ip8u 2 жыл бұрын
Just got my saw yesterday！very good review!already subscribed!
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the support!
@ZacBuilds 2 жыл бұрын
Mayonnaise haha - I really like that more companies are moving towards this arm design. It makes the saw so much more compact. I've got the Bosch 12" and love it. It came with a hold down clamp like yours, but apparently, in Europe they get something much closer to the Kapex saw. I'd love to see a saw that allowed the blade to come far enough back that you didn't need a sacrificial board to make trench cuts.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Another person point out the “kapex like” clamp in Europe which is something I didn’t know about! Does your Bosch have this much side-to-side deflection? A lot of folks asked about a comparison but I’ve never used the Bosch before
@ben4815234 2 жыл бұрын
I think making a fence that adjusts forwards and backwards to compensate for the blade curvature in a trench cut would be the solution to not needing a sacrificial piece of material.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
That would work too
@aarntsen Жыл бұрын
@Zac Builds, whats the side to side deflection like on your Bosch?
@SpencleyDesignCo Жыл бұрын
I asked him on our podcast and he said it’s pretty stable but does still deflect if you press hard
@EuroRogue 2 жыл бұрын
The deflection of this saw seems to a point that it is like a handheld saw lol, even my cheap saw that is on the sliding rails has way less play than this. It feels like a failed engineering product to me. I absolutely love your honesty by highligting the good and bad things with no buillshit.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
For sure! This saw is 100% junk 🤣
@pilotprojectsanddiy6281 2 жыл бұрын
I had the Dewalt rail type slider for years but switched 5 years ago to the Bosch hinge arm slider, much better and more accurate but to each his own
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Have you tried this orange one?
@ScenicWisdom 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome job and great commentary. She’ll do you right for years to come. Was the bench design based on Third Coast Craftsman’s design? I’ve been looking at building something similar but as a beginner was a bit daunted.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
The bench is just a kreg bench
@2006mrderrickh Жыл бұрын
Mayo NICE Video! Finally a good review. Thanks
@sexualburgerking 2 жыл бұрын
You don't have to keep turning and turning the hold-down clamp. At 8:44 you can see how the horizontal piece moves freely up and down the vertical piece. You can quickly slide the clamp to where you need it and just turn the knob to tighten it.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
True, however that doesn’t work when you are working with boards of varying thickness
@billy19461 Жыл бұрын
Mayonnaise. I watched the entire video and was impressed with your honesty.
@scottphilips8514 Жыл бұрын
Also, the fence would determine how low the horizontal piece can slide down, which means extra turning
@jesper1406 Жыл бұрын
Come on, we've all thrown these clamps away for this exact reason... 😉
@vgl217 2 жыл бұрын
Mayonnaise The downfalls for this saw are exactly why I tend to agree with your #1 tool you regret buying. Miter saws in general seem to be somewhat overrated because most of the time you'd get a better cut using a crosscut sled on a good table saw. I think you'd be better off spending the extra cash on a better table saw unless you're using it in a construction setting where you're only cross cutting and accuracy within a sixteenth is plenty.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
I couldn’t agree more!
@necrojoe 2 жыл бұрын
When installing wall base and crown molding, dealing with 17' long pieces of trim, a miter saw is definitely worth every penny compared to a table saw even with a sled. :)
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
It all depends on what you work with. If I were doing molding, I would absolutely use a miter saw
@tylerandsandiescott2893 2 жыл бұрын
Good review. Just subscribed. Most saws will have play like this. I work in a prefab shop doing walls and stairs. The miters that slide on rails will have slightly less play. DeWalt seems to offer the least.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Tyler! Seems like a lot of folks in the comments really like that dewalt one
@rodneybosch7290 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review. I'm look for saw like that with out taking up all the room. I guess I'm taking up room.
@RubiconSS26 Жыл бұрын
Good review BUT I think your Math is waaay off. 9 out of 10 people aren't furniture makers. THose guys aren't buying Rigid
@hwfranjr 3 ай бұрын
When ya make one of theses video's the price is not for the home worker,very expensive!!! they gave ya a free unit to review and Gabor them,lol
@peeposadboy 20 күн бұрын
lol right? This is for the weekend diyer or general contractor looking for a quick cheap mitre saw with decent performance and quality. Dude is only looking at this from a carpenter/furniture makers perspective. He needs to look at who the tool is for and review it with that in mind. He can still throw in a few words from a professional wood workers perspective as well. Biggest mistake a lot of tool reviewers make
@aaronkowalewski659 Жыл бұрын
I have to say that I have this saw in the 10" and I don't have nearly that amount of play in my saw. I'm not saying that there's no play at all but it's closer to a 1/16th either to the right or left at full extention, and pushing in either direction. I'm very happy with this saw as my basic jobsite saw..
@thedumbassspeaks Жыл бұрын
Mayonnaise-I appreciate your honest review; however, my experience with the Rigid 12” traditional style slider is very similar. A number of years ago I was superintendent for a company doing hotel renovation. As the job was several states away, I did not bring my own tools, but was given permission to purchase anything I needed and would be reimbursed later. He also noted his preference for Home Depot, so Rigid was what I bought. My trim carpenter complained he couldn’t get a 90 degree cut on the wide trim boards we were using, so if I remember correctly he brought his own saw to finish the job. Maybe we could have tightened things up and improved the cut, but we were under a deadline.
@SpencleyDesignCo Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your feedback Alan
@usatravler1 2 жыл бұрын
I got a 10" Cruzer when it first came out as a promotion item for $300. Just love it and it sells for over $600 now. The rigid looks like the same saw with a different paint job.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Yup, it’s made by their parent company
@johnterdik4707 2 жыл бұрын
Mayonnaise Great review!!! I've been looking to replace my Dewalt 708 Sliding Combo Saw and was super excited thru most of your video but it went into the trash dumpster when you got to the cons.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking out the video, John! I tried my best to be as honest as possible
@jimmcnett 2 жыл бұрын
Mayonnaise. I liked the video. I have a Ryobi Miter saw and I went through the same process with that saw. What I found was that in normal use with normal pressure there is a 1/16" deflection. I was surprised because my previous Ryobi non-sliding miter saw had 0 deflection. I took it in to the Ryobi repair facility and they said that was in tolerance. As you said in the video sliding miter saws will have some deflection because of the nature of the tool. It all depends on how much you want to spend. Delta sells a Miter saw with a similar configuration as the Rigid you reviewed with a similar amount of deflection. I think the multiple hinge design introduces errors. I decided not to buy the Delta, though I have many other Delta tools, because of that review. Please keep the videos coming.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the support, Jim!
@necrojoe 2 жыл бұрын
Delta actually makes this saw for Ridgid.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
It’s actually made by their parent company
@norm5785 2 жыл бұрын
Your review is the same as my friend discovered with her saw kerf movement. Cuts were off even with a stop block being used. They were very sad and returned the saw.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
It was definitely a bummer!
@Vic1949 Жыл бұрын
I like the way you showed how the saw has that slight trenching imperfection, good job. I personally do not plan to gorilla the saw to make an uneven trench. I consider this an overkill scenario. Still and all you did a good job pointing this out.
@contessa.adella Жыл бұрын
😂 gorilla the saw,!!! It was his pinky finger…so you’d get at least some deflection even being careful. Good review though huh!
@donnysarvis 2 жыл бұрын
Mayonnaise: thanks for the review. Helpful review. All I use my miter saw for is rough cuts, so this may still be a good buy for me with the space saving. Disappointing that it moves so much though. 😕
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
The space saving is definitely a great feature and for rough cuts, it would be PERFECT to have!
@JDnBeastlet 2 жыл бұрын
Mayonnaise! Good review and really good to know. I have owned the Ridgid R4221 sliding miter saw for nearly four years and it's been great. I own a number of Ridgid tools and have had good service from all of them. That said, one of the big attractions of the brand for me is the Lifetime Service Agreement (LSA); if they are moving away from that I'll be more likely to look at other brands in future.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
No LSA on this one since it’s made by a delta
@DBrownCo 2 жыл бұрын
Mayonnaise I have been looking for a zero clearance to work in smaller space. Very fair review and it's given me enough info to make a decision. Thanks ! And to Ridgid Also for putting it out there.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the honest feedback, Dan! Which saw do you think you’re going to go with?
@DBrownCo 2 жыл бұрын
@@SpencleyDesignCo Due to limited space I'm holding out. I have 2 saw's neither accurate, not in the shop, that I can use for ripping long stock. I'm excited about My Soon to be upgrade to the R4560 Ridgid TS. Thanks for the video on that, it should arrive any day. I think in the end I will look for more repeatable cuts. Also I'm trying to lean into learning more table saw skill's . Dan
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
I think you’ll love that new table saw! It’s a great value for the money!
@seankadar9550 10 ай бұрын
I have a delta Cruzer which is the same saw and I love it.
@robertwinkler6787 Жыл бұрын
Mayonnaise I have that exact saw and I agree the dust collection sucks. I just deal with it. I vacuum at the end of the day. The place of the miter saw for me is breaking down long pieces and doing crown, baseboard and other trim molding. Plenty of accuracy for that. I agree that it won't compete with the Festool, but many amateur woodworkers can't justify that kind of money for the amount of work done. I often wonder what the craftsman 100 years ago would think of our power tools. I bet they would be thrilled to have access to most of them.
@tomasosegreti9126 2 жыл бұрын
Mayonaise. Columbus based guy here too! I think that biggest thing regarding side to side play when using a newer miter saw is being mindful of your body and the torque and tension you're putting on the handle. It can be harder to do if you're on a job site cutting different dimensions for framing, etc. But in a shop it seems like it'd be easier. Without firsthand knowledge or use, I'm impressed with the Ridgid but will look at the full market before I make a choice. I have an old Dewalt that works pretty good so at the moment, I'll stick with it.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
You’re absolutely right! I actually tried the test again really trying to keep the blade perfectly straight, and even then there was a pretty good amount of deflection
@jaykay3979 2 жыл бұрын
Have the delta cruzer 12" version - I consider it a construction and jobsite tool, not a furniture tool. It's very precise for what it is - +/-1/32" on 3/4" ply cuts is my typical experience using mechanical stops at 90 degrees. I can flip boards over for up to 27-28" total cut width and the overlapping cuts are nearly indistinguishable. I use mine in a negative pressure shroud most of the time. Otherwise, yep - it's messy. Worst part of the delta version is the current inrush is huge, and the initial torque jerks the saw head quite a bit - I installed a soft start: huge improvement and this allows rapid, repeated cuts without tripping. Not sure if rigid put a soft start on theirs - this is definitely the biggest thing to improve on imho. The trench cut depth is actually the most unreliable dimension on this saw - not sure about % error but the little depth stop screw is definitely janky. I would like to have one that feels a bit more refined and precise, but for $400 I paid a few years ago this saw has been generally great and acceptably precise.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
This doesn’t have soft start either. It’s the same saw made by their parent company
@heystarfish100 2 жыл бұрын
I own a 12” fixed double bevel compound miter saw for my use in custom furniture building. Dust collection is through a auto switched shop vacuum and the machine is equipped with a Forrest Signature Series super premium blade. With the saw dialed in my cuts are accurate, smooth and ready for 98+% of my work. The widest sometimes get a touch up on a shooting board with a 5-1/2 jack plane. With boards wider than its capacity I’ll generally use my tablesaw and miter sled or a track saw. After many years in the shop sawing wood I find that a sliding compound miter saw is the least of my wants or needs. They just don’t provide the accuracy I need with wider stock. I wouldn’t recommend any of them for most needs of a woodworker. If I were a production carpenter my needs would surely differ.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a nice setup!
@mwgrc 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, answered all the questions I had - Thx
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Michael!
@tedkrush5661 2 жыл бұрын
Mayonnaise; Great reveiw with information that i was looking for. I am happy to see that I am not the only one that stores wood above the garage door. :) Thanks.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching, Ted!
@nathangonzlaez2 2 жыл бұрын
thanks for the video . Informative . And I believe this has its use within the industry .
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@Doug8D3 2 жыл бұрын
11:30 this is exactly why i have 2 old radial arm saws for my woodworking and use a miter saw for cutting framing only. for the cost of this saw, i have less into 2 very accurate radial arms, a decent cross cut blade and a decent set of dado blades.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
People seem to enjoy their radial arm saws
@georgevoisin5414 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video. That degree of deflection is unacceptable. I'm in the market for a new miter saw and I'm scratching this one off my list.
@duaneheadworth6275 Жыл бұрын
Great review Very helpful.Thank you!
@SpencleyDesignCo Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching Duane!
@terrylathan3609 Жыл бұрын
I live mine. Yes it creates some dust but they all do. I have to have it do to wall space issues. It will be the final miter saw that I will purchase.
@tvonhon 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent review! I have the Delta Cruzer 10". I love it do to the footprint, but I also quickly realized I cannot use it for finish, square cuts.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! It’s definitely a bummer that it deflects so much
@MrVTer 2 жыл бұрын
When I changed out the stock blade I had to cut part of the dust chute and back off a bolt just to get clearance to do it. Yours looked way easier than mine
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting. I didn’t have that problem at all
@SomeGuy8796 2 жыл бұрын
Very well presented and quite informative .. thanks!
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@bobbypiper6636 2 жыл бұрын
Mayonnaise- super glad I watched this bc I am a furniture builder looking for a better miter saw. I don’t have the funds for a kapex, so I was looking into a Bosch or delta cruzer when I saw yours. Glad to know it’s the same as the delta bc I need that style for my workspace. Any suggestions to look into for the shorter style depth compared to the long bar style?
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely DO NOT buy this one! I’ve never used them, but I’ve heard good things about the Bosch, Makita, and high end dewalt
@andydepaule3296 2 жыл бұрын
Mayo, It was interesting because I'd been looking at a Bosch with the same sliding system. Expensive. I didn't know Ridgid made one. However I just bought a used Harbor Freight Admiral 12" for $110.00 that was like new except the guard was missing. That was $10.00 from the parts dept. Now if I can just figure out how to mount it. Thanks for the video.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking out the video, Andy!
@DuongNguyen-gg3uc 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent review and thanks.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much, duong!
@TheLawngineer 2 жыл бұрын
Mayonnaise! Great video! Got a recommendation on a mitre saw for trim and crown moulding?
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! I haven’t used a miter saw that I like yet, so I don’t have a recommendation
@mikelawler2278 Жыл бұрын
Mayonnaise - Thank you. I'm in need of a good miter saw and videos like this are very helpful
@ryanowens2771 2 жыл бұрын
Mayonnaise, great review dude, really appreciate it. Question- if you snug down the adjustment screws for the resistance on the slide joints-does that reduce the size play? At the expense of some easy motion and smoothness. Thank you
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately not, I tried everything possible and there’s just too much slop.
@mitchelhea3600 2 жыл бұрын
Mayonnaise. Great video, you addressed any question I might have about this saw, and I appreciate your honesty.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate you checking out the video, Mitchel! Any others questions you have?
@NelsonWoodworks 2 жыл бұрын
Mayonnaise-Thanks for the review Eric! I’m about to start my research into a miter saw so good to know about the good, the bad and the ugly about this one
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking it out! If possible, I’d really suggest getting your hands on the saws in person.
@josephmalinowski6817 2 жыл бұрын
First video that I've actually seen this new Ridgid miter saw and I was really interested because I have the Ridgid miter saw with the oversized deck it's 12" but it's a big miter saw. But I guess I'll stay with the DeWalt 12 inch dual bevel slider miter saw and not the cheaper Home Depot brand because DeWalt makes two different miter saws ones for the homeowner and the other is for the professional. But I've never gone wrong with the DeWalt miter and table saw with the rolling stands. Great video very good info.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
A lot of folks seem to like that one!
@davidgraham2673 2 жыл бұрын
Joeseph, I'm curious where you would buy the professional Dewalt Compound sliding miter saw at, if not Hone Depot, how much you pay for it, and the model number please. I'm looking for one currently for some work I have coming up. Thanks.
@johnlittle8714 2 жыл бұрын
I recently bought this saw and I am impressed obviously it is not as nice as my kapex and bosch but for the price its a pretty good deal.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear you’re enjoying it
@rubbermaidable 2 жыл бұрын
I had this in my cart at home Depot, after messing with the display for an hour I concluded that the side to side wiggle was to much and I put it back. I use a Dewalt 716XPS everyday for work so I want a slider, and I really love the smoothness of rigid, as soon as they fix the side to side play I'll be a customer.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
The side to side wiggle is awful, isn’t it? 🤣
@wheels4515 Жыл бұрын
That defelction is huge although, like you say, fine for a construction saw (albeit kinda large). I upgraded my mitre saw last year and it took me months to decide - I don't need portabilty or huge capacity. I wanted Accuracy: in the end I forked out the extra for the Festool KS60e, the 40V Makita was my second choice but I really didn't want yet another battery system (I have goood range of 18V Makita tools already). With care I get dead accurate 90deg and standard mitres, for a 45deg angle cut (think mitred box) well that's over to the table saw as that feels safer at that angle and is likely more accurate every time. Clamps: the KS60 uses the standard Festool track type clamps, 2 slots at the back and it has 2 slots for them on the front too - I often make cuts on small pieces and I use these clamps all the time - I'll often use 3 clamps to make one cut (safely) to a small block. Another bonus; compared to my old Elektra Beckum the dust collection is around 70% better too.
@SpencleyDesignCo Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@quentinpoupore2540 2 жыл бұрын
Mayonnaise: Great video. I personally have the ten inch version of this saw. Being slightly smaller the saw does not have nearly as much play. All in all it’s a mid tear saw and you did a fantastic job laying out all the pros and cons.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback, Quentin!
@JimothyBobMcGuire 2 жыл бұрын
Blade deflection is as much a result of your thin-kerf finish 12” blade as it is the saw mechanism. If you try to keep it straight, it cuts straight.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
I’m sure it would fit fine
@NLewis925 Жыл бұрын
Mayonnaise! Looking at this as for DIY projects and home improvement stuff. Will be doing some wainscoting and crown, shelving and such. Would you recommend the DeWalt 780 over this? I like the articulating arm. Other options are the Harbor Freight ones?
@bigkremey 2 жыл бұрын
Mayonnaise - great review! Touched on all the points I had questions on about this particular saw. I’m curious if you have any thoughts about this compared to the Bosch Glide Miter?
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Andy! I’ve never used a Bosch miter saw before
@alanross3435 2 жыл бұрын
Condom, love the chapter features in your videos! I have the same model ( freebie) from Home Depot seeds program. I’m a DIYer and for me it’s a great saw for what I do, I like the width feature to be able to cut a very wide board 16 inches ( I think ). I haven’t noticed the reflection. I will have to check that out! Keep the videos coming bro. ☮✌🏻
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
hmmm
@FXAllThingsFun 2 жыл бұрын
Mayo! Lol great review! The keyword trick borrowed from blacktail studio?
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Fred! Glad you enjoyed it! What’s blacktail studio?
@LeNGUYENHUNG Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing . Thanks for the translator, translated it into Vietnamese, it's very helpful
@gandjboyd7872 2 жыл бұрын
I have the previous model it's massive and heavy but the LSA is my favorite part of the miter saw . I have it on the mobile base and keep it folded up and out the way when I'm not using it.. after watching this review I won't be upgrading my saw anytime soon besides it's only 3 years old this month
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Nice!
@markjames8664 9 ай бұрын
I have the 12” Delta Cruzer version, and I think the biggest advantage for me is having the zero clearance in the back-I’m working in a tight space. I have not tested the deflection yet, but I think it won’t be a big issue if you work carefully. But it is a drawback of the way the slide is designed.
@garymcneil2216 Жыл бұрын
Excellent review.
@rhuynh 2 жыл бұрын
Mayonnaise- it is so crazy that it literally is just swapping out blue for orange and then it's a Delta Cruzer! Great video. Well done!
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking out the video!
@glenewing3713 2 жыл бұрын
Mayonnaise: Thanks for the great videos and review. Can you make a recommendation of a chop saw that has less movement, that you could use for trim work? Thanks
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking out the video, Glen! I haven’t used enough different miter saws to be comfortable making a recommendation. A lot of folks in the comments enjoy the dewalt though
@shanegillen590 2 жыл бұрын
Mayonnaise. Thanks for the review. I just ran across this miter saw yesterday. I appreciate the pros and cons in your review. This looks like it would work for the jobs that I will be doing. What blade do you recommend replacing it with?
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! I’d use a Forrest blade on it
@timnorris3695 Жыл бұрын
Mayonnaise added Wow! Ok I was looking forward to this... Actually the Delta Razer but they are the same thing I just happen to like the blue! So my question is: what saw do you recommend for finish carpentry that can also do the same functions as this saw?
@murphymmc 2 жыл бұрын
Good review, most sliding, compound miter saws are like mayonnaise, a mix of odd ingredients that end up being pretty good. The Festool, despite the guy's excuse making, does not have stellar reviews for accuracy. I own a Milwaukee 12" sliding compound miter saw, a Makita 10 sliding compound, and at the bottom cost wise, the Chicago Electric 12" slider. The Milwaukee is far and away the smoothest, has lights instead of laser, fiddly to dial in but ultimately a good precision saw. Yes, any slider is going to deflect with side pressure, that's the physics of a substantial weight at the end of a couple of guide rods. My Makita is a couple of decades old, still worthy of precision work. The HF 12", once dialed in, was a pleasant surprise, robust, accurate and used for what I bought it for, framing, it is more than fine. As I said, surprising. The Milwaukee has the best dust collection(sans vacuum) of the bunch. The large dust bag will actually get full after a day's good use. With a vacuum attachment it would be stellar, that needs a special adapter. The play in the Rigid would be unacceptable for me, the cost and maybe slightly above average quality for the Festool is laughable. I've been a builder/remodel, trim and finish guy for longer than most of your viewers have been on the planet. I appreciate the breakdown in your review. 👍
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@ligngood3787 Жыл бұрын
Mayonnaise. Awesome review! Please review the Makita 12" slider. I think the two most important features of this saw were overlooked. 1) It has MUCH greater capacity - even more than DeWalt's 2x16 ability with the "backfence" gimmick. I think the extreme capacity is also a lot of the reason for the side-to-side movement) 2) The space saving design over the typical bars that don't stick out behind it. I have a 500 square foot shop and I can't put my Dewalt anywhere that doesn't waste a ton of space behind the saw. Also, I'd love to see some more cuts with actual measurements of the cut boards with a square and tape measure. My Dewalt DHS790 has the same deflection as the Bosch glide 12" and I have tested two Kapexes that have only slightly less deflection. Don't forget the Kapex is WAY smaller. If Festool made a 12", I would have bought one years ago. I am still searching for the ultimate 12" sliding miter saw.
@SpencleyDesignCo Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@rivtoolfan 2 жыл бұрын
Mayonnaise- thanks explaining your neutral position and the highs and lows, I appreciate it! Have a good one, and thanks for the the awesome content.
@SpencleyDesignCo 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the feedback and checking out the video!
@jeffcarpenter6306 Жыл бұрын
Great review!
@marvinboswell6889 Жыл бұрын
As someone who does woodworking as a hobby festool products would be a much to expensive outlay unless you earn a significant income ,my real concern is will it make a consistent 90 degree cut if handled gently
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