Amazing

I haven't seen it yet.

Haven’t watched it but it looks awesome

Spiderman Across the Spider Verse is not the best spiderman movie but it's still a pretty damn good movie. I like the stories for Gwen and Miles Morales. I like the references and the animation was soild.

No.. Its flawed, And thats all. Its a piece of trash filled with fakeversity. This is one of those videos that is beneath you as a content creator, Captain Midnight.. And your reviewing it.

That's what I was thinking. They just heard an order and complied, though they were all there generally to keep the canon. Also, I don't think they actually work that well together. Case in point: there were hundreds if not thousands of spidermen in the base all trying to stop Miles. All doing it together but not in sync and not successfully. Miles didn't even use his invisibility, to lure them all out. So yeah, smaller groups work better for them 😂

Okay, but Spectacular Peter did. He was there. So to see him go against his “no turning his back on anyone” ideals, really annoys me. It’s like the writers said “yeah I wanna ruin your character to build up my own”

Spectacular Peter's (or at least the version in the movie) story also seemed to continue on offscreen with him losing more like Captain Stacy, so him listening to Miguel isn't out of the question imo

@@Grizzexploder But it’s incredibly out of character for the Spectacular Spider-Man we know. It’d be like if someone made a movie where it’s a multiverse of Iron Men and we find out that MCU Tony went back to selling arms. Even if i said it’s been years since Endgame, it wouldn’t feel right would it?

@@whistlebird I don’t think there was a single “combo” or “team-up” choreography sequence between the Spider-Society members throughout the entire chase scene. Really good point. Also highlights a spot where Miles (and also Gwen and Peter B) thrive because in the first movie they fought really well as a team alongside Penni, Peter Porker, and Noir

Don't forget Miguel's trauma spiral after losing a child.

Don't forget Miguel with his daughter also

Oh also don’t forget about miguel loosing his daughter.

Yeah make sure to remember that Miguel lost his daughter

That Miguel dude? Don't forget his daughter dead af

I like this, it definitely seems like some of them know (Gwen and Peter B. Parker) so I’m hoping this gets explored more in the sequel

Yeah thats what I took it as too

You'd think that peter parker would do due diligence and wonder why they have to stop someone they don't know about, like every iteration of peter parker; and yes, that includes the punisher spider-man. But oh well, it's a family movie I guess

Miguel isn’t just the guy they know more, he’s the leader of all of them, and he has much more knowledge about the multiverse

This is exactly what I thought Miguel says "Stop him" not "Stop him because he's not gonna let his dad die". The other spidermen are just going along with the mission they are given and don't know why. The aren't just falling in line.

It's shown that he initially didn't want Gwen to join as she wouldn't like what his attitude towards Miles was.

I get it but it still bothers me that spectacular spiderman and ben reilly just fall in line

​@@potater8034 it does make sense that Spectacular and a lot of Spider-Men do since they 1) were the chosen Spider-Man of their universe 2) already had gone through certain major canon events that would lead them to believe this is how it has to be in all universes for Spider-Man to truly be the best version of himself. Since they have already gone through those canon events there is no "maybe I can stop it if..." mindset, just the acceptance they've already gone through.

@@jandjhroco I think we're fed with a false assumption. We're led to assume Miguel was picky with spidermen, but then we see that he literally has a citadel filled with all types of spidermen, with all types of attitudes and tropes. So, it stands to question, where does the line Miguel start to draw on? Perhaps the line is Miles Morales himself. Perhaps Miguel was hard-pressed or had to be convinced by a large degree to recruit anyone related to Miles, since his universe began the rift of the multiverse, and that he's a walking anomaly. Gwen might be the last spiderfolk Miguel had to recruit that's within Miles' circle, and that's where we start to view the story.

Totally agree, another thing is that any version of spiderman may well be able to internalise the trauma of what happened to them. They probably don't see the tragedy of another spiderman in the same way as the tragedy of of an innocent civilian because they project themselves onto it and potentially have less sympathy, if they're the type to choose their own suffering over the suffering of others. To them Miles may be selfish and they may have a "Dude just get it over and done with" attitude. (I feel this point is also enhanced by your point as well as ultimately they're all people who were given a handout by Miguel to join)

!!! This! Miguel is so clearly blinded by his bitterness at losing the timeline he wanted and unjustifiably lashes all of that out at Miles by labeling him the mistake and the reason he has to do any of this. I really hope they expand on this in the third one.

I like this explanation; if they don't agree, keep searching until you find a similar one that does; thus explaining why all the Spiders are on Miguel's side and can't just think for themselves like Miles or Hobie.

Yeah, I like the idea that for say spectacular Spider-Man, it's *a* spectacular spiderman but not *our/the* spectacular spiderman. Alternatively maybe he's brainwashed or done some time travel or switcheroo shenanigans with the other spidermans.

@@davidleon9037 I wouldn't even call it bitterness it feels more like fear, paranoia, or even guilt.Miguel watch an entire universe collapse something like that has an effect on someone

@@messiahnyx971 I hear that, but also miles objectively had nothing to do with getting bit by the earth 42 spider. He just happened to be at the right place at the right time. The spot is literally the only who snatched the spider away before it was about to bite that version of miles. He’s the clear one at fault for the multiverse getting screwed … and yet Miguel is SUPER cold with Miles right from the start (he literally chucks a trash can at him before Miles even finishes talking) and blatantly and furiously lays all of the blame on Miles even going so far as to say his Peter would’ve lived if it weren’t for him. To me it feels like what’s happening is Miguel is projecting all of his anger/discontent over collapsing that timeline with his family on Miles instead of the spot for some reason. Almost like he doesn’t want Miles to be right about preventing “canon” events because it would mean Miguel losing his family was meaningless. I mean idk that’s what i kinda hope is happening cause it’s so much more interesting but we’ll find out in the next movie for sure!

Especially since it is mentioned that not only Miles, but Gwen were both not supposed to be brought in yet. It is pretty heavily implied that most of the time, Miguel doesn't approach the spider-peoples until right after the 'canon' events happen, and brings them in when they are at their lowest.

@@LunaryonSunborn that actually makes hella sense wtf

Pretty much. Spider Society also does inadvertently prey on the "Worst" parts of Spidey, through a trolley problem they can't just risk themselves and derail the trolley to solve. The "Worst" part, and often true tragedy, of Spidey is when they allow their grief, guilt, and loss too much control over their choices. While masking that with a "pragmatic" lens. Spidey tends to be just terrible at processing those emotions. Reflecting that societies creator, the very clearly "barely holding himself together" Miguel. Its an echo-chamber. Not intentionally or maliciously, but that is what it is. And given the subject matter of the "intervention", it is heavily implied that both Peni Parker and Spectacular Peter are likely coming very recently off their "Second Canon Moments". The death of a Captain" figure they were close to. For Peni, this would be her version of Aunt May, who is killed by VEN#m while trying to save the child who was that mech's test-pilot. For Spectacular, it would be his Captain Stacy. So, yeah? I could buy them both falling for Miguel's ideology given that.

Spidey has been susceptible to truth being withheld shown by civil war. I don’t know if Miguel is hiding something or also is in the dark but I think something is still in the dark and once that’s shown spidey will switch sides

I didn't really like them falling in line, but when drawn from an infinite pool, you're going to find the team players much how someone explained the Council of Ricks (also a fiercely independent personality stuck being a minion) But it does make sense that Miguel maybe approached the Spider-Variants at their lowest to get them to Hench for him (which seems very UnSpideylike to be using pimp tactics)

Also, it’s implied as far as everyone in the Spider Society is concerned, it’s an AMAZING PLACE. the Spider’s just hang out there for fun, with ppl who really GET them, I’ve also heard somewhere that it’s a place outside of time, so they can really kick back unlike on their own universe, its got workout areas, a cafeteria (especially good for the dirt poor Spiderppl), THEY CAN EVEN GO TO THERAPY, honestly the only thing bad about it is the canon, and as far as they know there is no way to change it inside or outside of the Spider Society, so it’d be better to just stay where they atleast have comrades who can relate to their pain. Gwen is the ONLY one that we know of that has an obligation to stay, and she STILL RAVES ABOUT IT TO MILES

@@loseeraleeert2444I don’t think it’s outside of time. It’s still a normal universe, you see a bunch of normal people on the moon highway.

You also have to remember that most Spider Men and Women are still kids aged 15 or 16, so a mad man like 2099 can still emotionally manipulate them pretty easily

We know from What If that Dr Strange was probably the first to break one and he ultimately wound up killing two universes including his own, and this seems have resonated into a new Canon Event where Dr Strange is now doomed to always break up with Christine in every universe no matter how much he loves her.

@Exile from Tomorrow Fair, though honestly he gives me a lot of He Who Remains vibes from Loki, except a lot angrier

Rick and morty + EEAAO had already proved the multiverse can work before this movie

@@LuisSierra42 ok brother. You won. You and your favourite two multiverse stuff!

Totally. This film was exactly what i was waiting for Dr. Strange Multiverse of Madness, which completely wastes His premise. The MCU could take pretty much every note from this movie about how to so a Multiverse narrative right. Then Again, i kinda don't want to since it could easily Lost it's charm

have you tried watching that everywhere all at once movie? i heard it does a great job at handling the theme. This is what i wished multiverse of madness would've been, a story focused on the main character while still having a lot of fun exploring the multiverse with full creativity instead of just walking at red light and flower dimension with joke ass illuminati...

@@nicolasriveros943 knowing their writers ego? they wont....

Same with the punch Uncle Aaron does to the bag when he has Miles hostsge. I legit thought he straight up Killed him There lol

@@nicolasriveros943 same haha, I shit my pants for a moment

⁠​⁠@@nicolasriveros943 fr me too like they really got me good there

​@@nicolasriveros943 Me too,I thought he punched his face so hard that.......nah,I don't even wanna say it.

That whole scene with the fight between Miguel and Miles had me popping off ngl, even though I already saw it in trailers

Could be, but why spider-man from ps4 is there? He wouldn't agree with this

It could instead be characters who have already gone through the major Canon events. Miguel didn't want Gwen to join because she would be conflicted about saving her father.

@@heaven6148 Maybe it's him after the sequel game coming out this year, since it seems his personality has gotten more cynical

Not only that consider Civil war where Peter Parker sided with Tony Stark then changed sides when he saw what tony was eilling to do to win

@@BlueCarnage0 that’s what I keep saying. Since the whole canon events thing seems to also be commentary on spider man’s legacy. All the Peters there have gone through the cycle of canon events, that’s what they’re stuck with. Now it’s time for new iterations of Spider characters to break that cycle and make their own stories. It seems pretty simple

Precisely, the movie never makes it explicit what all of these spider people believe in or not, they just think they are doing the right thing

​@@LuisSierra42 I didn't buy that Spider-Gwen and PeterB would be on Miguel's side either tbh

@@athenajaxon2397 they switched sides by the end and again, they thought it was the best for everybody

Well most spider people are pretty smart

​@@LuisSierra42 I was thinking maybe not all the spider people are in the society and Miguel picks and chooses who he recruits. Some may just be along for the ride as you mentioned. Others could have been lied to, misled, or recruited at a convenient time which led them to pledge their loyalty. The cast of the 1st film are the biggest liability being most likely to help Miles but initially they all side with Miguel. Seeing what they have at stake and their circumstances I feel it points towards the members of the society being carefully chosen. Miguel agrees to let Gwen join once she has a falling out with her dad and has nowhere to go. She's in an incredibly emotionally vulnerable state and she's offered a new life and purpose when things have gone awry in her own universe. Peter B. Parker got his chance to fix his relationship and start a family and by protecting the stability of the multiverse he ensures he gets to keep living his dream life. Peni has her upgraded mech in the movie and going off the comics that means her aunt passed away. It makes sense that dealing with her grief she'd be more cynical and receptive to Miguel's idea of the cannon. Noir and Spider-Ham aren't shown as part of the spider society (although it's completely possible they were members) and only appear in the end when Gwen brings them to help Miles so it's possible they were excluded because they couldn't easily be turned to Miguel's way of thinking. Although Spider-Punk kinda undermines my theory because why would they include someone who has individuality, nonconformity, and disdain for authority at the core of their character into the spider society when Miguel needs people who specifically will be compliant and go along with his plans.

It seemed kinda obvious that Gwen cares about Miles just as much as he cares about Gwen.

Gwen is interested in Miles, she just has a lot on her plate: they're literally in different universes [until Across movie], and when she finally got the means to travel to Miles's universe, she knew that she had to not get involved or it would be difficult for them because she has to lie that she doesn't know he is an anomaly or that Miguel's goal was to contain him [which happens in the movie] Miles is like Pav (Indian Spidey) which haven't got their 2nd important death yet, that's why they are more on the younger spidey side and are more innocent/optimistic than the standard spideys

I think that Hobbie and Gwen are strictly platonic, it's pretty obvious that they're just good friends/bandmates as soon as he's introduced. The movie just set it up that way as an insecure (but relatable/sincere) early reaction from Miles.

@@Caspianm2 I can agree but saying 'strictly' is kinda ignorant that Miles has an obvious crush on Gwen. Romantically. Because they're teenagers. The will they or won't they is open to interpretation. The obvious thing is that at the very least they are good friends but i dont agree that it's strictly platonic

​@@hzrinv Hobie's obviously just the most chill dude you can hang out with, Gwen is definitely platonic with him

I think the directors basically said something to that extent as well as being publication that miles would never be their Spider-Man. Which honestly after seeing the play of the upcoming game this year I saw a lot of reaction similar. And they literally are getting miles and Peter!

Ooooo

True lmao

This is why a lot of people including myself only watch the first trailer and that’s it, just go on with blind faith that it’ll be good or decent and if it surpasses your expectations then even better!

Videogames are having this same problem. This is why I no longer watch any trailers beyond the first at most. Modern trailers show far too much of the content and major story beats. I only saw what they played on theaters, and I enjoyed the film a lot more because of it.

@@blootube97 I've been trying to do that, it's just really hard when you go to a movie theatre to watch a different movie or you're watching the Superbowl and an ad comes up. It's really hard to avoid bad marketing when it can show up at any point

Bruh I stopped trailers after No way home and doctor strange 2, first trailer is fine,after that nothing , unless and until i have already seen the movie, and this movie i liked it and glad i didnt see the trailer ,did the same forFlash , not even watching reviews...I was so aloof spider punk was surprise , i was like who's hobbie...

Every story beat lol? What trailer were YOU watching lol.

Animation has come an extremely long way, to the point people are saying the movies can "tell a story with the animation alone", but the writing hasn't improved, which is what prompts people to get so immersed in the visuals instead. As an example, animating Hobie to look like a perpetual punk magazine cut out collage, while extremely impressive and cool to look at, doesn't make his dialogue better, it doesn't make his role in the film better. He's still kinda just 'there' with very little motivation given, even providing the eleventh hour key to Gwen joining the fight somehow. Everyone else is the same. Indian Spider-Man, whose name I've already forgotten, is gorgeously animated using his rings and webs in various cool ways. But his actual dialogue is not that good either. Miguel is presented with such an imposing VISUAL presence, but until the last moments of his battle with Miles it still feels like he isn't any stronger than the others, or is holding back, and his cool 'cyber webs' are hardly ever used to do anything interesting or unique to him. Visually you're just in absolute awe that people could storyboard and render such incomprehensibly complicated scenes, sometimes with like 50 Spider-Men onscreen, it's mindblowing. But the actual plot and stakes are with Spot, who basically gets his god level power up and then just peaces out inexplicably for the second half so he can be in the third film instead. The writing doesn't match the quality of the animation at all.

Considering how Gwen was brought in, it doesn’t seem to be very exact. They’re “short handed” for the job. On top of that many of our favorite renditions of Spider-Man are in the background and are all apparently fine with the canon explanation. All that said this will probably get explored a lot further in the sequel.

political illiteracy is why everything in this movie feels forced to me /s

@@TheShowmanMovies I mean, 2099's interpretation is far from canon. I also think that Miguel didn't want Gwen in was because she had a big chance of disgreeing with the way they do things, but the Spiderlady wanted her as a mentee which Miguel has to agree to.

​@@neon6x That's the point, though. If Gwen could be "brought in" even against Miguel's best interests and without much resistance, it stands to reason that this has happened before. Same with Hobie, who was clearly against Miguel's ideas and yet got recruited. One would think that there'd be at least a few other people in the spider society that don't "fit" as neatly and aren't willing to just take orders nilly-willy.

@@howlrichard1028 I mean, not everyone there knows the context of what they're doing, they were told to just stop miles lmao. And while Peter B and Gwen were also chasing him, they did so reluctantly. Same reason spiderbyte let Miles get transported at the end. Most of them are reluctantly agreeing that Miles is justified in his actions but can't do much about it, cause they want to be a part of the spidey society.

I agree. Gwen actually has a full arc, from wanting to be in a band but not finding the right bandmates to making her own band in the end. Her conflict with her father also gets resolved.

I would think a more practical answer would be because movies like these take so dam long to make and are extremely time consuming. So making one 4-5 hour movie across 4-5 years is more manageable than 1 movie every 2-4 years.

@@Comporio the actual answer being Lord and Miller realized they had the story and that it would be too much for one film so the team worked on "both parts simultaneously".

They ended a blockbuster movie on a high stakes cliffhanger. It tracks so well with Spiderverse to continue doing things no one else is doing.

idk man jesus was perfect

Let’s say flawless is 100. There certainly are movies in the 90s range.

​@@kpenis17 stfu we talking about movies and shiz dam

The Godfather.

​@@ScofieldStudios the godfather was flawed, that's why Francis Ford Coppola did a reboot of it

absolutely agree, but I also got a strong sense of this movie making a move to tear down the split identity theme that has been tied to Spider-Man since his inception with it's focus on being honest to ones' loved ones. also: hiii Typer :)

I just feel like we hadn't finished enough plot arcs for it to feel like a complete story. It's like Empire Strikes Back where Han and Leia had their arcs, but if the movie stopped right as Luke is about to fight Vader.

I think the best way to see it is as both its own movie and a part 1. It leaves on the cliff-hanger but for the most part the internal story arcs have concluded. In Into the Spiderverse, this was centered around Miles and Peter B, with both reaching a satisfying conclusion. In Across the Spiderverse it's once again Miles as he wrestles with life AS Spiderman but also now fleshing out Gwen's. Like you've mentioned, Gwen's wraps up and she has hit a cathartic point of reconciliation and acceptance to not just accept things the way they are. Miles, similarly, has the sense of not belonging, which starts at home, where he has no outlet to share his struggles and knowing that he may never see his true comrades/friends again; and then moreso later as he is reconciled with his friends only to find that he is an outsider, an anomaly. As Miles enters the wrong universe, he has already wrapped up his internal struggle. Miguel does not get to tell him whether he belongs, as him mom says "he belongs there". Yes, both Gwen and Miles external story hasn't quite completed yet, as now Gwen's situation is an anomaly too, but internally they have reached a place of certainty that they will fight for their dads' lives, canon or not.

People, including myself to a certain degree, don't think it's a complete movie because the story opened another can of worms without resolving it which was Miles being stuck in Earth 42 and finding out that Miles 42 is the Prowler in that universe. It doesn't feel finished or what we should say satisfying because right as they concluded some of the conflict they brought in another major conflict right near the end that was not given a conclusion. A good example of what to do and that has been compared to Across the Spiderverse is Avengers: Infinity War because despite being a cliffhanger, the ending was conclusive. The heroes lost, the villain won, and everyone has trauma. The difference being the ending credit scenes which gave hope for the sequel. Across the Spiderverse. Neither the hero nor the villain has won as was set up by the beginning and middle parts of the movie. Just as the plot could have ended, we're inrtoduced to information and conflict that begs to be resolved and it's not which means no conclusive ending. Now one might wonder why does it matter where the cliffhanger is? Especially when it is at the end of the movie or after the credits. ANSWER: The clip is a part of the movie before the credits there is no difference between the clip information and the main plot which can create that sense of dissatisfaction for the reasons stated above. The reason the clip information when it comes to cliffhangers is because it gives the audience time to process what happened at the very and and give room to digest the the story. The clip after the credits after the mental processing is done then reinvigorates the audience back into the plot by adding a small amount of information to latch onto. That's why in part why the Marvel movies have been successful.

I agree that it is Gwen's movie. At the start I thought so, in the middle I wasn't so sure, and at the end I was sure again. She shows her disbanding, she shares a story, then she asks "you want in?" what lies beyond this? We wait for beyond the spiderverse

Spectacular Spiderman's exact line, I feel, can coincide with the tough lessons he learned throughout his show. We've seen right in the pilot episode a theme of him sacrificing things important and dear to him (i.e. disposing of the one thing that could undo his spider powers), and what he says specifically seems to really match that. He's not all that harsh to Miles about it, and is clearly quite sympathetic, but from what he's been told by Miguel he understands that there are larger things at stake. That's why he essentially says "I feel for you Miles, I really really do. But this is just part of our job."

[SPOILER] there's also the simple fact that they planned an intervention anticipating miles would react the way he did, so presumably they all had time to discuss the complicated reality of having to maintain the canon

@@butitsgoogleimages8303 Oh absolutely yeah. I kinda compare it to the Citadel of Ricks in a weird way. In that while on his own he may act more independent and self-actualized the moment he surrenders himself to a collection of other hims he unknowingly becomes a cog in a larger system. Same thing would happen with Spiderman I feel.

If Jeff doesn’t die I really don’t know what the movie is trying to say about grief or about trauma. Miles knows of an event that is supposed to happen to him regardless of him knowing and he wants to fix it. He wants to have his cake and eat it too, and that’s impossible. I think he’s gotta learn the hard way, Miguel is right about this.

Yeah but still across the spider-verse is incredible.

Same

There is a lot going on, but never felt like too much. The movie slowed down when it needed too and still kept me engaged. It has perfect pacing

Honestly I was never overwhelmed by how much they introduced. Even Puss in Boots that had incredible pacing I sometimes was lost and needed someone in theatre to remind me of what was happening. Across the Spiderverse never lost me.

Into the Spiderverse is simpler and an all around Movie Across the Spiderverse is full of stuff but it's more ambicous at the same time

Hahaha awesome

He saw it(?) it’s literally the post credits… his gripe with Miles has nothing to do with Miles as a character, it has to do with the circumstances he became Spider-Man… just like the racists irl he criticizes Miles for something out of his control

he did watch the first spiderverse movie

@@santiagomonteromendez1371 What’s racist about that?

@@honestabe7373 What's racist is that miles is black /s

@@honestabe7373because they say he isn’t/shouldn’t be Spider-Man?

Yep, I think that's the case too, like, Peni Parker was literally in the same room as Miles when he escaped and she's got a big ass Mecha but we don't even see her during the entire chase sequence, clearly not every Spider Man was that enthusiastic about chasing Miles

This 👏

underrated comment

Beautifully said

I think it makes sense considering what is supposedly at stake. You're right in that Ben's death motivated Peter to make sure this doesn't happen to everyone else. But he can't save everyone and sometimes, he's gonna have to sacrifice the things personal to him so that everyone else can be safe. The greatest examples of this in recent times is Insomniac Spider-Man (who's a member of the society) choosing to give up Aunt May to ensure the others survive, and MCU Spider-Man sacrificing his personal life to make sure the multiverse remains intact. Miguel himself tried to live the life of a dead alternate counterpart, and everyone in that universe died as a result. The Spider-Men of the society are given an ultimatum: save the people that they failed to save before at the cost of the multiverse collapsing, or let these moments play out and keep the multiverse safe. It's a difficult decision, but Spider-Man always choose the difficult choice. Right? Of course, it doesn't mean it's right, and that all Spiders would agree with this. I imagine Peter Parker of Edge of Time would have some words with the Society. And I used MCU Peter as an example earlier, but all of that happened because he tried to change the villains' fates, and well, Miguel isn't exactly keen on inviting him

Yeah you could tell with Peter B. and Gwen that they were holding way back. And some didn’t even help.

@@jesuschild07able Yeah Peter just snatched Miles to talk to him when he easily could have caught him.

I like that interpretation, but there's no doubt that Earth 42 Miles and Uncle Aaron are still "villains".

I actually think Miles of Earth 42 was meant to be a villain to a Peter Parker that was bitten, not a Spider-Man in his own right. But I dunno either could be interesting!

@@benh9935 "No doubt" why? We have literally no idea what they are up to. And if the Sinister Six Cartel is running the city, they can very easily be doing "good" by doing " bad"

@@iMasterchris I guess my thoughts is, Miles is Miles across all universes. The things that make him heroic transcend universes. If every Peter is good, so should every Miles. One key difference is, Miles will breathe rules to do what is right. Even E-42 Miles.

@@terranncegilmore "No doubt" might be a little strong, but the context clues kind of point to that (which in fairness could be a misdirect). The large wad of cash Aaron hands Rio to help pay the bills for example. As for your other point, Miles or Peter being good in every universe isn't established. Even if the core of the character is the same, different sets of circumstances/decisions can play a huge role in the character. Like in Gwen's world, Peter becoming the Lizard. I do agree with your overall point that Earth 42 Miles will end up being a hero, I'm just not sure he starts off as one.

Flawed doesn't mean bad. There ain't no such thing as perfect, no form of art is, because they are all perfectly flawed in their own ways.

Did you see it turn from yellow to pink as he was drinking it?

i imagine some *have* tried, but they ended up failing

​@@jimmyboy7817 wdym?

Pretty sure it's a "somewhat" frequent thing, canon events not happening. Or at least, often enough. When it happened in Mumbattan, the team showed up pretty quick to contain it, and Miguel say something along the lines of "If we're lucky, we can stop it. Sometimes we aren't lucky" So at the very least it's something that does happen, and any Spider that's been there long enough has seen the results of not letting a canon event play through.

doesn't Miguel recruit them after the canon event happens (their lowest point)?

I avoided every trailer and everything because I wanted to avoid spoilers. So that cliffhanger came as a surprise to me. I'm sure many more people are either like me or don't follow the news because they saw "Spiderverse was fun, let's see the next one in cinema even though I know nothing about it"

How could you not mention Daniel Pemberton's tracks? The motifs bouncing around are amazing! There's a song that blends Miles' hip-hop, Gwen's drums, Pavitr's theme, Hobie's guitar, and the Spot's eerie collider theme. There's synthwave galore. There's a distinct sense of horror in the film that wouldn't carry without Pemberton's tones in the background.

Did you see it turn from pink to yellow as he was drinking it?

Just going off on the "Without Uncle Ben, most of us wouldn't even be here." quote, and coupled with the tragic backstory of Miguel's universe ending moment, I think Miguel might have guilt tripped PeterB to an extent. He does switch sides at the end, so I think he was having second thoughts throughout the course of the movie. The same way Gwen realized she was on the wrong side when she saw how upset Miles was that they both knew what was going on and "talked about it." Probably a lot more Spider-Men will be reflected in this switch-sides in the next movie. I bet most of them were guilt tripped too. Like most of the theories in this comment section, they were probably recruited after the canon events have occured, and are at their lowest points when joining.

Yeah, it's like when the on screen Spider-people turn up in the comics Spider-verse. I don't think Insomniac's Peter is going to bring up his adventure with the Inheritors at any point. I will say I do feel a bit bad for Greg Weisman. It sounds like he was a bit put off by not being informed until Spec Spider-man was on the poster, and while I think he's too professional to kick up a fuss as it is the nature of not owning the IP, he's been quite quiet about the film since coming out. At the very least on the off chance he'd ever get a chance to continue Spectacular, you know he'd face an onslaught of questions treating George's death and Peter's choices in this film as canon to Spectacular.

Gonna have to put myself in cryosleep till then

Fr?

Same as the first. Phastos from Eternals is Miles father, Mahershala Ali will be playing Blade and he plays Aaron Davis, Oscar Isaac is 2099 and Moon Knight.

Yea I mean other than powers they’re different personality wise. Like miles is a lot more passive then static

I mean the directors made it pretty clear before the release that it's a 2 parter. Gotta go in with that mindset.

@@gabisuciu6785 they really didn’t… i didn’t go in knowing anything that the directors said, unless a movie is clearly listed as a two partner you’re not gonna expect it to be. if the title was “across the spiderverse part 1” it would’ve made a lot more sense.

@@gurleen7041 in the first look trailier they called it part 1 lol

@@honeynutcheerios8830 i didn’t see the trailers bruh 😭 y’all gotta remember the general public aren’t at fault for not naming a movie correctly i said what i said. if it’s a pt 1 then name it pt 1. i’m not tryna dig through trailers to figure out what kinda movie it’s gonna be

lol people are working hard to excuse extremely poor writing. It's an incomplete movie. Even Kill Bill had a natural resting place to end the first movie. This one didn't. The more I think on it, the less I like the movie. It Game of Thronesed itself.

Is that true for the MCU though? I think the whole sacred timeline thing ensures certain things don’t happen, but doesn’t specifically make anything happen, which is why Loki can be a crocodile, so long as he doesn’t do anything to play into Kang conquering the multiverse.

@Eoghan yeah I think so, I can't remember the exact line but in one of the first episodes of Loki, Loki tries to say "the Avengers time travelled to defeat Thanos, go after them", and the reply from Ravonna is just "the Avengers were meant to do that" or something

@@foggy9624 yeah but the sacred timeline is her religion, she thinks it’s all meant to happen a certain way, when in reality it’s not some all knowing beings crafting a very intentional timeline, it’s just one dude trying to stop one event from happening. He doesn’t actually care if the Avengers beat Thanos so long as it doesn’t cause Kang to invade the multiverse.

The reactor made them arrive at different times, some before some after the reactor

@@franciscoungerlopez7360 She is the ONLY one that happened to for plot reasons.

I think the reason theres no other miles as spiderman around is to drive home the point of being an “anomaly”