*crunch*

Peter... dont tell Harry *dies*

Vistalgia Pizza time

Spider-ball *don't

It was at this moment... he knew he fucked up.

Jack Hapgood Right ? I don't think I've ever seen the Marc Webb cut where the "Oh" is omitted. Like, the DVD has it, the HBO showings of the film have it, and even the Cartoon Network syndicated version has it I think.

wdym? He said Marc Webb because that would have been the scene if Marc Webb directed it. You know, the Amazing Spiderman 1 and 2 director? There never was a Marc Webb cut.

Michael Cabardo My bad bro. I knew MW did the Andrew Garfield films, but I guess I was just under the assumption there was meddling or something.

hahahahahah same!

This is an excellent video! You are spot on on everything. Another thing I would like to bring up that makes the climax so great is the symbolism, and foreshadowing leading up to it. When you think about it, what is the main theme of the first Spider-Man? It is Peter's journey into living a life of responsibility, right? This main theme is split up into two core conflicts: choose to do what's right-- or give into your selfish desires. Or as Uncle Ben so eloquently put it, "These are the years when a man changes into the man he's gonna become the rest of his life-- just be careful who you change into." This is the main thing Peter struggles with throughout the film. His main desire of course is being with Mary Jane. Raimi takes this a step further and fleshes out the two core conflicts into real, living, breathing people. Those people being Uncle Ben-- and Norman Osborn. They are both portrayed as father figures with completely contrasting ideologies. Uncle Ben trying to get Peter to do the right thing... and Norman trying to get Peter to give in to his selfish desires. At the start of the film Peter leans toward the latter. He outright rejected Uncle Ben as his father in the car scene... but looked up to Norman completetely. Norman seeing him as sort of the son he never had. After Uncle Ben's death Peter stuggles with this conflict even more. On the rooftop scene, Norman tries to get Peter to join with him, because they could have everything they wanted... after all, the city didn't really care about Spider-Man anyway as far as he knew. And after the rooftop scene you see that Peter really did contemplate this. But it contrasted with what Uncle Ben told him. "Just because you can do something-- doesn't give you the right to. Remember, with great power, comes great responsibility"... and Peter ultimately rejects Norman's offer. This then leads us into the brilliance of the bridge scene. Furious that Peter rejected his offer, Norman decides to force Peter into making a choice with between his selfish desires, and his responsibility, by making him choose to save his one main desire... Mary Jane.... or a group of kids and adults trapped in a lift. Hence the poetic line, "We are who we choose to be--now choose!" But Peter cheats it. He catches both. The whole bridge is both a symbolism, and a foreshadowing of a sacrifice he'll ultimately have to make. It's a symbolism in the sense that he's torn between two sides. He still isn't quite ready to give up his desires for the responsibility he knows he has to fullfill...yet. That brings us to the final fight of the film. Norman is beating the snot out of Peter and has seemingly won. Norman then taunts Peter that he's gonna finish MJ off nice and slow. It was this moment when Peter realized that as long as he desires MJ, she'll always be in danger. Flash forward to the climax. Peter has won the fight, defeated Norman, and we are left with the two of them standing there. In a last pity attempt, Norman pleads with him. "I've been like a father to you... be a son to me now." to which Peter replies "I have a father, his name was Ben Parker." That was it. When Peter chose Ben as his father over Norman, he finally fully chose a life of responsibility over his own desires. This is elaborated on in the graveyard scene. Mary Jane opens herself up to him. She essentially gives Peter everything he wanted throughout this entire film. "All I wanted, was to tell her how much I loved her." Peter thought to himself-- but he ultimately turned her down. He finally let go of his desires in order to live a life of responsibility. You see, Raimi didn't cheat us. Peter did have to make that same sacrifice in the end-- only in a way we weren't expecting.

FallowSkyes that's what made it so damn tragic. Norman was a victim of the Goblin

Throughout the movie, Mary Jane also tells Peter "Don't Tell Harry." It was kind of the running theme, which played into Spider-Man 2 so well.

FallowSkyes It’s made even more powerful by the fact that throughout the movie, he has seemed to be somewhat dismissive of Harry, even dissatisfied with him.

It's also the third time the line is used, following the rule of threes.

Couldn't have said it better

Amazing Spiderman 1 ended with that stupid sky beam thing that every movie does these days. Spidey isn't really that street level, at least when compared with guys like Daredevil and Punisher. The main reason these moments work so well in Raimi's movies is that he knew the characters and the meaning of the scene are what truly matters, not the spectacle. Even Doc Ock's death was isolated and was about him realizing he's become a monster. It also shows that solid cinematography, editing and acting leads to a much more exciting scene than a pointless flood of CGI. On the other hand, BvS was supposed to have its climax at the Martha scene. The two protagonists have come to an end of their fight and couldn't continue forward without a breaking point. Unfortunately, the bad writing ruins any emotional resonance the scene could've had, and then the movie continues with another 30 minutes of useless destruction because they needed more explosions.

It's freaking brilliant. Even in Spider-Man 2, which has world wide stakes, Raimi finds​ a way to make the climax about character choices, and intimate moments.

This is such a great comment, really nice vision man! This is indeed, how you do it! It makes everything so more intense, it is nice to read that someone else figures that out too!

True

Just like Anakin vs Obi-Wan in Revenge of the Sith.

SilverShade1008 cinemawins isn't owned by cinemasins

Cinema Sins sucks.

+Phovon Beats They said Cinema Sins. Cinema Wins is all about movie positives.

i know but NOVA Akuma said they had another channel called cinemawins which is incorrect because cinemawins isnt part of cinemasins, hes his own self contained channel.

Phovon Beats Okay.

Dan OOF

"Oh" intresting

... I still prefer the sequel #TrainFight

I would argue that that #TrainFight in Spiderm-Man 2 is the greatest moment in cinematic history. Especially when you consider the build up and how he drops his glasses and embraces the mantle of Spider-Man again, then goes and fights a tense fight with Ock, all while SAVING people.

Spider-Man 1 will always be my favourite out of the Spider-Man films.

when Uncle Ben first died onscreen.. I got me all teared up

Spider-Man 1+2 are a superhero movie classics. I will never bore watching it. Meanwhile a lot of Disney Marvel movies are just a one time things.

The hospital scene in Spider-Man 2 is pure Evil Dead. I love it. That movie has everything Raimi. Humor, horror and that lovely campy tone. My favorite scene is "Raindrops keep falling on my head". God I love that movie. It's pure poetry.

+KTK I love that scene too. I absolutely love both of the first two movies.

The original Spider-Man trilogy had brutal fight scenes for sure.

blackknightkanos I've watched every Spidey film except for TASM 2, and I can easily say the trilogy is unrivaled in it's action. Just my opinion though, because I've seen some preferring the other movies and it's action. Maybe it's my childhood connection to these movies, but I've been underwhelmed when watching the reboots. 😙

Me too, but it is unfortunately also what makes me dislike Marvel (MCU) today. Fox has gotten the upper hand. I wish Marvel would dare to care again like they did back then. Raimi's Spider-Man movies was the peak of the superhero genre and it hadn't even really begun back then.

KTK I think the MCU is amazing in its own way.

fox has gotten the upper hand? Please besides logan and Deadpool their movies are garbage and they handle majority of their characters terribly.

Timeyin Sholaye agreed. The MCU is miles ahead of any franchises of any kind at this moment in time.

Timeyin Sholaye: It's because of Logan (and Deadpool) that Fox has the upper hand, because Fox has shown now that they dare to let their directors be creative and elevate the genre into new territory unlike MCU who goes by the same formula with each movie. What you just said can be said about the majority of MCU's movies. They are garbage.

Adam Malkovich lol

Oh.

#youshouldbeatthetop

Also: "so this is how it ends for me"

I want to see an edit with that whole speech there now.

It's key.

omg dude, you think that edit was made randomly??? Omg, you are so dumb

+Po_The_Jedi Who are you talking to?

who u think?

+Po_The_Jedi seeing as no one in this thread expressed dislike of anything in the scene, or talked about how it was random, I have no idea. Your comment simply made no sense, or you meant to put it in another conversation.

Agreed however there's one exception which is an amazing movie and that's LOGAN. That movie gave me hope that there's still potential in the superhero genre and that movie can and does stand alone.

Winter Soldier, Logan, Iron man 1 along with them

Super-hero movies have become less character dramas and more joke-a-minute action flicks. Whilst fun its just frustrating to know its possible they can do better.

Eyy, you know, Civil War was pretty good. At least I think so.

You mean Marvel studios films. Superhero films haven't become that, marvel studios films have become that. People who think they're sick of superhero films don't realize they're actually only sick of one, lazy, homogenized studio.

That's because Sam Raimi is a experienced director and he had more creative freedom as Director. The MCU hired some random director because they know he will follow what they want for the movie. I highly doubt the new Spider-Man movie will be as good because as usual the MCU only want to recycle the action cliches and tropes because the character itself will sell the tickets, not the creativeness of filmmakers.

I feel mixed about Marvel's method of choosing directors. On one hand we won't get to see experienced auteurs like Sam Raimi leave their mark in the MCU because everything has to be of a similar tone or else they won't connect well with the other movies in the universe. On the other hand it gives lesser known indie directors like James Gunn, Jon Watts and Taika Waititi a chance to be heard and possible earn enough cred to fund more personal projects. However I do think Iron Man 3 is an incredibly personal mark left by Shane Black that fits in with the rest of his oeuvre.

I highly doubt we'll ever see that kind of quality from the MCU until the DCEU REALLY steps up their game. The DCEU is, ironically, more likely to have a superhero film that can match that quality. Same with the X-Men films, actually. Fox is going to give an absurd amount of creative control to the directors because of the success of Deadpool and Logan. Their two most successful movies had their directors a TON of creative control. They're going to continue in that direction. WB has learned this lesson from their fuckups with BVS and SS. But the MCU? Nope. I highly doubt that until the DCEU makes Sam Raimi Spider-Man quality films, then will we get MCU films with more auteur-like creativity.

It won't.

>Really hoping the next Spider-man can match the quality of Sam Raimi's Spider-man films. This will never happen. Sadly.

Hahahaha! same!

have345 Yeah! I noticed too! Haha.

same here, thought i lost my mind

I knew something was missing, but I couldn't tell what it was.

Batnat because the mcu bad guys always suck

I think we're gonna be surprised. It's gonna be fun, but it's gonna have a lot of heart and that's classic Spidey. I'm telling you man, they're gonna gut punch us with Uncle Ben mentions.

lol the chances of discovering alien life is higher than seeing depth and emotion in MCU

it's just gonna be a comedy like the other marvel movies

^You mean a movie about one of Marvel's funniest characters is gonna be funny??????? Whaaaaat? The whole "MCU movies are comedies" complaint is the dumbest thing I hear from people. I don't remember a joke being cracked when Tony and Steve were beating the hell out of each other in the end of civil war.. Or when Peter watched his mother die of cancer.. Or when Rocket drunkingly opened up about being tortured & operated on. The movies are funny when they need to be and serious when they need to be. EVERY movie has moments of fun/levity. Wake up.

hopefully we will. I think we will atleast see his homemade suit get fucked

Eric Adrien I think they got rid of it because in a completely continuity based film media they would likely mention that it's near impossible for Peter to rebuild the suit or create an exact replica in the context of the film Hence why the battle damage in the Amazing Spider-Man remained on his costume with minor stitching from scene to scene throughout the entire movie

In the mcu we could just have stark give him a new suit tho

He has a homemade suit in Homecoming that'll probably get teared up in the final fight. Then he'll have no choice but to man up and get Stark's suit.

what I don't like is that he's depending on Stark too much

Phreaker1997 remember the scene were the grenade blows up in his face. Totally changed the way pg movies showed violence imo

@@satnav1980 Wasn't that Harry in Spiderman 3?

@connextro Who pissed in your cornflakes, you fucking asshole?

@connextro Lmao I screenshotted this shit for personal lols. I call you an asshole and you threaten me with violence? You’re definitely a 5’6” Aussie manlet with man milkies. Do a dance for me, fat boy.

Neel Jackson So... is it a bad thing that I think he's really cute?^^

@@svclana4ever nope

Take that shit back. Tobey is Sexy af

youthnando91 "Gimme a fucking-pizza"

MARVEL GAMERZ No

WHOA HE STOLE THAT GUYS PIZZA

Oh noo.... Dr Conners class...

"Oh"

They don't understand cinema either. When years has passed, the MCU movies will feel very stale and cold whereas Raimis Spider-Man movies will have that same patina and feel of nostalgia and warmth that the old Star Wars movies has. Regardless of one likes the old Star Wars or not, no one can take away from them that they have a magic feel, so does Raimis Spider-Man movies and that's why they will transcend in time.

Spider-Man 2 captured the essence of Peter's character more than other film.

Fucking Slayer And even then Raimi was taking his cues from the Lee/Ditko era where that hadn't quite got up to speed yet.

In the 2000's and before, being comic book accurate didn't matter. Now the fanboys only think MCU can do justice to any of their characters. MCU movies are fine, but they all fall under average. They all are the same tone-wise, and very few of the films have something meaningful to say, outside of what they are obviously trying to convey. They just feel very disingenuous, and the movies feel like they are trying to tick boxes, instead of tell a story. Other studios that use Marvel characters at least take risks. Not every X-men movie is great, but I'd take them over the 1-dimensional stuff MCU puts out.

Marvel hasn't made a Spider-Man movie. Sony holds the production rights to it, so Spider-Man 3 and The Amazing Spider-Man movies are all from Sony Pictures. Marvel brokered a deal to include Spider-Man in the MCU which is why we got Spider-Man: Homecoming which is really good, in my opinion. Sure, there's some stuff that might not be as good as the original Raimi films, but you can say that about any franchise. WB won't ever make another Batman franchise like Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy. You can complain about what's different and how the old ones are better, but then you're losing out on the chance to appreciate new movies who are trying different things. If you don't like the new Spider-Man movies, then stick with the old ones. Old franchises and movies are constantly being rebooted or remade and sometimes they work and sometimes they don't. We just have to keep an open mind about it. If anything, you should be ashamed for being so beholden to an old incarnation of a character and expecting a studio to not try something new and/or different.

True

Mcu is way better

@@EthanBradburyVlogs that's not what he meant dumbass. He's talking about a director not a cinematic universe.

They really are. Like in infinity war they ditched all most all rules to making film, but it was still good

Spider-Man 3 was fine

Token ' how did they ditch anything? It was only a different tone compared to most marvel movies and my god was it dark and I loved it. As soon as I heard thanos was the villain I knew it would be one of if not the best marvel movies.

Yeah. They're miles ahead of the cringe that is Raimiman.

+Cynima Rapscallion You said yeah but disagreed with him.

+NOVA Akuma I actually think TASM2 is a very underrated film. I found the first enjoyable enough but I loved the second. I've not read the comics. My knowledge of the character comes from the films and TV series so I couldn't really say how accurate to the source material he is (though of course there are many comic lines and the versions do differ). I think Electro was brilliant though. As opposed to a normal guy getting caught up in a science experiment gone wrong causing them to be evil, there's a heavily schizophrenic guy who got superpowers and acted as someone might in that situation. He stopped developing after he was caught and were Goblin not a part of the film, I'm sure he could have been developed further but there's still a believable (I think) and interesting development from normal guy to super villain. There is a deleted scene with his mother but I'm glad that was deleted because that went too cliche. Goblin, I think works too. He would be a plot device if he was killed off but the fact that he would've gone on to be in more films makes it acceptable to me that he comes in at the end. And that clocktower scene is so well done. I don't really see why people have a problem with Rhino. I agree he shouldn't be on any of the posters but just thinking about the film itself, a villain was needed that was big enough to bring Spider-Man back but not so big that a whole film needed to be centered around them. The score was also brilliant.

+Potato Thief Yeah, I've seen that video and think he's quite unfair on multiple points. Electro's theme is very fitting to the character. (I'm thinking of 'Electro's Suite' on the soundtrack) It starts out pleasantly(ish) but with a foreboding feeling about it and the whispering to emphasise the fact that this guy has darker voices in his head, and from there, it builds. I think it would work well without the lyrics but having it there characterises the music which I think works really well. As for the electronic bit, I like that 'Supergirl' clearly took the note with music for Livewire as that completely makes sense. Goblin's theme ('I'm Goblin') is also great. It starts out eerily and goes into a dramatic action piece not dissimilar to some music in the 'Batman Arkham' games and it helps build the tension in that clocktower scene really well. 'I'm Spider-Man' is just a great superhero theme. I hope Marvel is motivated to make a memorable main theme at least (I think asking for a memorable score as a whole is pushing it for the MCU) for the upcoming film. And 'There He Is' is a good forward-moving track.

He said they don't compared. As in... they're incomparable. And they are, because ASM movies are much better lol

Not to mention things like Aunt May being Peter's voice of reason and Peter's friendship/rivalry with Harry etc; not to mention how SM2 is an adaptation of TASM#50,considered one of the best comics regarding Spider-Man

Whoever said it isn’t comic accurate is just ignorant.

Spider-Man PS4?

R.U.S.E 35 Spiderman PS4 is a better movie than homecoming lmao

Angel Morales To be completely honest I liked Homecoming. It was a fun movie with some genuinely emotional moments. It may not be as faithful to the Spiderman character as other movies but I still enjoyed it.

That said Spider-Man PS4 Is some of the best I've ever seen.

R.U.S.E 35 We’ve already had two versions of a Spider-Man who’s meant to be like the comics. We don’t need a third in all honesty.

The power thing is a call back to when Doc mentions that keeping emotions bottled up can have bad effects so Peter bottling up his emotions about MJ causes him to lose his powers

Are you leaving the third one out on purpose?

Third one?

Yeah Spider Man 3

OoOoh, you mean the Amazing Spiderman with Andrew Garfield? Yeah, no. That was a reboot. Not a third installment. Then there's a sequel to that film, and now Spiderman Homecoming will be the next reboot.

Spider Man 3 with Tobey Maguire, the best one in the franchise

No. No it isn't.

@@BilboWaggins Yeah. It is. But you won't even try to look at the positive side.

@@timotlt how, from one comment, do you assume I dont look at the positive side? The bad vastly outweighs the good in that movie.

@@BilboWaggins What? What are the bad parts, tell me all of them.

While it isn't as good as 1 and 2, I think it's a movie that's entertaining. It's something you can laugh at, because it's silly.

and how in the fight scene before, there is no music. it's just a brutal beatdown.