It just goes to show, sometimes Spider-Man should get a gun

This dark-hero Spiderman is what I hoped Ben Reilly would become. "Scarlet Spider isn't just 'scarlet' because of a choice in fabric dye." But right now, he's just straight-up evil.

@@tantalus_complex he will return good and this spider-man is an anti-hero/dark hero

@@beywheelzhater8930 spider-man noir,is an example

​@@beywheelzhater8930 Instead he got a buggy.

In the comics one time Spidey decked Hulk in the face and knocked him out..

@@BaconNuke Didn't he punch a T-Rex and knock it out too?

@@BaconNuke That's not really a feat worth mentioning. Alfred beat up Superman one time, so do you think Alfred is stronger than Superman? No he isn't. There have been many instances in fiction where the obviously weaker character gets some kind of anger amp (combined with another amp too probably) and gets the upper hand on the obviously stronger opponent that just happens to be caught off guard by their weaker opponent's sudden surge in ferocity.

​@@RossLemon Didn't Alfred take some super pills to defeat Superman? Also that was Injustice storyline.

@@The_Mad_Titan_420 Yeah, alfred took super pills which make any human have the strength and durability comparable to that of a kryptonian

From fighting super villains and the average crook of NY, to getting rid of corruption in the world. If anything it looks more realistic if someone like him would have those powers.

Honestly, it's more like Spider-man as a spy or solider in the real world. Most of the time, soldiers don't get the "non-lethal" option in a fire fight. That's a luxury for superhumans.

'Spider's Shadow' is also pretty good imo

He even donates to charity and sends his Aunt a check every month. He's a good guy.

Yea he feels a damn lot like Jason Todd which is my favourite Robin

He did as the Punisher too.

@@12MRJERSEY I prefer this rendition. They're not bulky and he does a literal finger gun gesture; which feels much more in line with Peter's tech and personality.

Bully Maguire's got some competition lol

I like dark spiderman stories that actually make sense, not the writers fucking peter’s life every 0.0010939202 milliseconds (I do like this one)

616 Peter solos lmao

Too bad he died in Spider-Geddon

@@creativestudios5562 Damn shame 😔

@@creativestudios5562 I don't take any of those Spiderverse deaths as canon since there's often several identical variants.

@@certifiednobody true, after all spider-man noir did come back a while after Spider-Geddon(where he “supposedly” died) But the reason he came back was because of his spider-god, making his bite more mystical than scientific. Unfortunately, Assassin Spidey has origins similar to his 616 counterpart(prior to the divergence) so no spider-god for him

@@creativestudios5562 there’s like 2 or 3 different Spider-Man Unlimited variants in these comics, so I guess sometimes the multiverse just makes a few mirrors of the original

lol "peace keeper" americans are psychos

They have a better life then there original counterpart

It’s refreshing because it’s unrealistic

​@@user-fw1kp5xb2eCare to explain why? Logically speaking, it's unrealistic for someone to suddenly become a "bloodthirsty nutcase" after breaking a no-kill rule.

@@user-fw1kp5xb2e and how is it unrealistic?

*he wouldn't kill and prolly

@@nkemnoraulmanfredini7286 What are you correcting??

It is immoral not to kill those who are killing or will kill others.

@@chrisbera7952 not exactly

@@TheGreatBackUpVIDEOS A spelling mistake that the author fixed after it was pointed out.

Adding a second "oops" before before the "guess I'm edgy now" part doesn't really subvert the fact it's still an "oops, guess I'm edgy now" story. 😬

@@KiraSlith It's not about subversion, it's about realism. The entire point I was making was in regards to the more realistic, morally grey tone the story has in contrast to the more black and white messaging of other similar stories.

@@Crow_Rising It's not even remotely "realistic". People don't just drop their moral convictions with just a few unwitting violations, not even a constant stream of violations will do that. If that were the case, the political left IRL would've collaped after they compared black people to fictional monkeys for the 3rd time back in 2018 (Seriously, even the thought to compare the two is plainly racist). Convictions are a hell of a lot harder to shake than that, in a Super's case it'd take a personal apocalypse (Like say, your city being turned into a nuclear crater) to overturn them otherwise they would've folded far earlier. Parker in particular has been through far worse in all his iterations.

​@@KiraSlith He didn't drop his moral convictions. He just became more flexible with his methods. The point OP seems to be making isn't so much about realism, because sometimes realism is worse than believability. Just because people can violate their self-professed morals and attempt to uphold them over and over (badly) doesn't mean it makes for good entertainment. Even IRL, that sort of thing is the source of endless jokes at the expense of the wannabe moralists. As for the political examples, collective hypocrisy =/= individual hypocrisy. Collective hypocrisy doesn't really exist unless the entire collective agrees on something (meaning never). Groups don't have shared, consistent morals like individuals, they have shared, sometimes consistent interests. How could any sane person possibly accept an _individual,_ for example, who compares a group of people to apes unironically and repeatedly with their own mouth while _simultaneously_ professing to be anti-racist or whatever. Any person doing that by themselves would be seen (rightly) as worse than someone who just admitted they were racist. Hell, people who uphold a standard in the present that they didn't in the past, will still have their past actions judged and get their careers ruined in most places if they get enough attention. The problem with most fictional pop-culture heroes is that when they don't seek 'redemption' for wrongs they think they did, they just go full psycho, like there's an alter-ego that comes out or something (even when there isn't). People usually have end goals and instrumental goals in service of the former. Spidey wants to make the world a safer place and protect the innocent, or something to that effect, are his primary goals. Redeeming and rehabilitating criminals, and using the minimum amount of force possible to detain them, are his secondary goals. Lots of (though not all) depictions of him that abandon his secondary goals are treated as having abandoned his primary goals as well. Which is fine sometimes for a good story, but a little variety is nice. You don't even need any kind of (immediate) personal trauma to trigger this. Sometimes people just decide to be more ruthless without anything bad happening to them or because of them, like Rorschach from Watchmen snapping twice, both times after strangers were murdered. His motivations still make enough sense that it doesn't mess with his entertainment value. Granted, that was sort of tied to his own childhood trauma. That's my ramble quota filled for today.

@@KiraSlith How hard convictions are to shake depends on a number of factors, it's not simply a matter of magnitude, but rather more importantly a matter of context. Humans are inconsistent creatures like that. The same person who's more than willing to fight a snake might be too terrified to deal with a spider. In particular, taking a life is a very different thing from failing to save one. Parker may have been through "worse", but that doesn't mean that he won't be impacted more severely by being the one directly responsible for the death. It's specifically the breaking of his most important rule, the very thing that mentally holds him together. The very fact that he is Peter Parker and is normally so adamantly against killing is what makes the transition here feel more real and genuine. It's not a switch that gets flipped, but rather a transition that he has to undergo mentally, coming to grips with a change in mindset that wears away at his strongest inhibition.

He wasn't really evil in this one he just went from stopping crime to stopping corruption

@@ivixo true, but im just talking about the overall amount of comics where spiderman is some how evil

the brighter the light the bigger the shadow

@@fredz91 oh ok

Even in the zombie comics, Spiderman tries to be a hero….by choosing to eat villains but ended up infecting another universe

Nah. Way to serious now for me.

HIM! as in Deadpool!

Way to serious for deadpool

No he wouldn’t, he’d probably just say he’s no fun anymore

Disagree. Edgy Spiderman would be a boner killer.

Naturally. He's in a stable relationship and has a job. Nuff said

Because he's not living with MJ on this one, Top kek

@@silvergiovanni5336 MJ is a thot. Nothing is ever enough for her.

has a job, his gf is not a bitch like the usual, not getting cucked.

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He already is in here; His spider sense is so well trained that it basically becomes a limited future sight. He knows danger is coming for him hours before it happens, and where it's going to come from.

​@@boxtupos7718 not only that, but Peter is a genius with technology. He could create some very powerful weapons if needed.

not rly spiderman was never able to kill people like hulk if they werent nerfed a lot

@@stlvnabags1803 my guy pretty much no one(even thanos) can really hurt a lore accurate hulk. Bro beats up planets as a hobby

He’s in a Spiderverse run and goes by Spider Assassin I believe in Spidergeddon

​@@Mulletman_Comicssadly he dies in spidergeton

​@@Mulletman_Comics I desperately need a recap of spidergeddon

They would be more popular than the main run. That’s why they won’t be done. 😂

​@@JuanSanchez-wv4qy Wouldn't that be more reason to do it?

I can imagine Spider-Man trying to web swing and accidentally activating the gun causing him to shoot a bird out of the sky.

Ikr. Finally not another "Oh, I got a taste of blood, and I want more, guilty or not, I don't care!" Here, I feel like we got a perfect Spiderman, he'll try his best to be non-lethal, but he also won't pussyfoot around if the situation calls for quick and swift elimination, like the guy at 4:01. Wanted to hit Spidey with "I counter your webs lol", and Peter just showed him that he can adapt and evolve too xD

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What is there beside punisher or deadpool?

No. More like. Spiderman is broken and rebuilds himself into a killer. He can only be this by giving up his life and everyone he cares about. Otherwise, he would eventually get everyone killed.

@@popeye697 you know if you subtract the killer part it's every Spider-Man story ever, Spider-Man is broken, must give up everything in order to save everyone.

@@popeye697 What do you mean "giving up everyone he cares about"? He sends checks to Aunt May and wrote a letter to MJ. Dude still gives a damn, he's just a soldier now.

Everyone talks like this unless it's them on the chopping block

John Stuart Ergo Green Lantern was a former but he still doesn't kill

The thing is that if you have the power to end a fight non-lethally and you take the easy way out. Was it the right call? If a kid attacked you during a tantrum the easiest way to end the tantrum is to beat the hell out of them till they can no longer tantrum. But its clearly not the right answer.

All soldiers are heroes but not all heroes are. War is different

​@@Nick-Terakidan doesnt his lantern ring prevent him from killing? He needs to have a choice to make it his own personal decision

@@youtubestudiosucks978 after blackest night the no killing rule got removed, dunnoh if it was ever replaced again. And as Green Lantern evil Batman has show, you can break the rule, it just requires great willpower

Pretty much It's as though Marvel writers have only one storyline for Pete: Make him suffer in every conceivable way Are we sure Marvel isn't sponsored by Osborn?

@@samuelhunter4631 wait you got a point 🤔

You know what they say about good deeds and punishment. The whole theme of Spider-Man is that he does what's right, rather than what's easy.

Welcome to the real world. Lmao

Because he becomes a worse person and as a bad person in comics you don't realize how everything goes off rails.

He is way beyond human but more super humans are above him. His classified as Class 10, meaning he can comfortably lift 10 tons. Able to lift higher only with strain and great effort. Someone like She-Hulk was at class 50 for decades meaning she could casually and comfortably lift 50 tons. Then her limit went to 75. Spider-Man is still class 10.

@@TheLastSane1 That's cool. I wasn't saying Spider-man is THE best, I was saying how he's ONE OF the best with an explanation of how he's so easily underestimated.

@@TheLastSane1 The crazy thing is that he's even that high, he's primarily an agility style hero with some tech use baked in, so super strength is technically part of the outlier powers of his kit. He's got mad utility.

i think hes even higher actually, he lifted up the entire daily bugle with immense effort

probably the successor of this spider-man is in fact assassin spider-man(miles morales)

I think it might make more sense if this Peter does the reverse, so there is a "clean" Spider-Man to be a super-hero in the light, while he works in the shadows

I'm imaging this miles would pr9sblly have claws on his suit and the prowler color scheme

That would be a real sight to behold, and I like the idea that he would also take inspiration from his uncle. Especially if it's a reformed version, handing off the suit and tech for miles to make a spider/prowler hybrid would be great. Something mostly black with red and purple highlights.

He already has extensive combat and martial arts training, developed “spider-fu” to work best with his superhuman abilities and spider-sense

​@@Junya01 imagine if he trained to kill

Shang-Chi and Madame Webb already trained hin Spider-fu uses Spider-Man physical traits to its fullest; He can even anticipate attacks from someone who has future sight. Way of the Spider has Peter fully rely on his Spider sense. Psylocke tried reading Peter's mind to anticipate his moves; But even with a telepath his movement is unpredictable.

Spider-Man also learned defensive magic from Dr. Strange once, so he has magical potential. But, he had his memories of that wiped.

Spidey developed the Way of the Spider martial art, which made his moves unpredictable even to mind-readers, and upped his Spider-Sense to the point of pretty much precognition Of course that got reset tho

dang it

It infuriated me, and it made no sense. He has perfect precognition, he could see literally everything that could possibly happen. SpiderVerse was retarded anyway, but that was the worst part. He at least came back to life and was seen in one of the web worriors issues though.

It's pretty stupid that the Spider-Man who trained his spider sense to the point of turning into a pseudo future sense; Is the one to die early.

​@@boxtupos7718 I mean to be fair he has immunity to spider sense just like venom

I guess he was too cool for the writers and they needed a journeyman

noir got revived lol

the wiki says he was revived.

I agree with this so tremendously.

Because then escaping is not realistic. Superheroes could build super-prisons and be done with that. Good luck for Joker to escaping from another dimension or a prison 10 trillion light years from Earth. People seem to forget that supervillains re-appear/escape simply because authors had success with them and want to milk them more for cash. If all superheroes were to kill, authors would just introduce more and more one-off villains instead. It would not change the fundamental problem with these kind of stories. Permanent solution in superhero genre is de-facto unachievable since people crave struggle and controversy. If all people wanted to read in comics were happy endings and slice of life stories, yes, eventually hero’s win and world peace would be more common. But people read comics because they want one character to smash another, more often than not. Readers don’t WANT peace and meaningful conclusion. They want entertainment and action/high stakes every Tuesday/gore etc.

@@kingol4801 With the way they write Joker, I think he probably would escape from prison in another dimension or light years away lol

@@kingol4801 Have they ever done a story of The Joker being tossed into the Phantom Zone? Also technically, if this was the real world they could build an underwater prison facility, but since this is a comic book that is hardly a deterrent.

@@Reddotzebra They did! It wasn't the focus of the story per-sey, though: Joker didn't actually escape on his own merit, Superman was convinced to release him to Arkham by Batman after Amanda Wallers played on his sense of morality to manipulate him. It's been DC canon for a while that the villains rarely actually *escape*, and the times they do the ones we see, with for example Batman or Superman coming to stop them - after all, why wouldn't they call the JLA if Joker just broke out When villains conveniently escape off camera and the JLA only learns after the fact, what's REALLY happening is they did some Suicide Squad work and were let out in secret.

His suit looks pretty great.

it's ironic who stopped him

That makes absolutely no sense. How are "black ops" setting your own house on fire? Why is spiderman hiding his identity? Same thing on another level.

@@MegaEssin Woooooooooooosh.

@@connorscanlan2167 Yeah, that didnt go over my head. Your example is just not relevant. Explain to me what you think "black ops" are? A secret way for the goverment to kill people without reprecussions?

yep

lmao

He actually came back apparently killing the leach totems revive everyone they absorb