Spiralling Conservative Betting Scandal & Macron Gambles With French Democracy

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How damaging is the election betting scandal for the Tories? Do Reform UK have a women problem? Is Emmanuel Macron facing electoral oblivion? Is Rory going to vote Green?!
Join Rory Stewart and Alastair Campbell for the latest episode of The Rest Is Politics, where they answer all these questions and more.
00:00 Coming Up
01:02 Start of Part 1
02:45 Betting scandal
04:54 JL Partners / The Rest is Politics Polls
05:45 Drop in support for Reform / Nigel Farage
06:29 Farage’s Russia remarks
10:58 Should Alastair go on GBNews?
11:46 How JK Rowling’s Trans comments might impact Labour
16:49 Start of part 2
17:12 AI and deep fakes
19:30 Alastair’s ‘leaked’ Tory campaign notes
21:18 AI and deep fakes continued
22:55 Lack of interest in leaders debates from the public
25:55 Start of part 3
25:58 Rory voting Green? / Green Party manifesto
27:48 Smaller party manifesto’s pressuring Labour
30:34 Torys ‘Super Majority’ strategy
31:54 SNP vs Labour in Scotland
35:47 Start of part 4
35:53 France’s election
36:48 Trouble for Macron
38:58 Normalising support for Marine Le Pen’s Rassemblement National
41:07 France’s left-wing coalition
42:27 French drama ‘Baron Noir’ and the influence of media on politics
44:11 Rassemblement National policies
45:26 Tribute to Howard Bernstein
46:10 Outro
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@lewisroberts3912 3 күн бұрын

After the election Rory and Alistair playing Minecraft would be one of the greatest things for this podcast.

@Sumonebody 2 күн бұрын

What’s the Rishi Sunak Minecraft clip? I can’t find any. Just one meme of Nigel Farage burning down Rishi’s house in Minecraft (it’s quite amusing).

@lewisroberts3912 2 күн бұрын

@@Sumonebody I haven’t seen any of Sunak myself personally, my guess is it’s a muddle up on words. I agree they are amusing.

@ricesnot Күн бұрын

@Sumonebody they're all on this channel: youtube.com/@trophytime

@sue8046 3 күн бұрын

I've never watched C4 election coverage but I certainly will this time, not only you two but the fabulous Emily Maitlis.

@JD-pi2ce 3 күн бұрын

The Conservatives made a massive mistake not electing Rory as party leader.

@JelMain 3 күн бұрын

Rory ran, as did I. Who'd want that job now?

@beachcomber1able 3 күн бұрын

Is he not a bit too woke for your average Tory. 🤔

@oldschool3670 3 күн бұрын

He's a vile, pseudo intellectual clown

@oldschool3670 3 күн бұрын

@@JelMainhorrible tory

@Jeanette47 3 күн бұрын

Rory is too nice to be a Prime Minister, we should vote him as King instead 😊

@Megan-ii4gf 3 күн бұрын

Hiya guys, I know you probably don't read the comments, but can I just say... Thank you, thank you, thank you. I appreciate not having my humanity called into question or being dismissed or talked about in ways that just make me feel sick. I know it sounds like basic human decency, but I've dropped several podcasts that I listen to because trans women are spoken about as if we're sexual predators and a threat to women. I live my life as a woman and everyone is comfortable with me, I'm in my 20s, working class, and I fit in and live as a woman every second of my life. I don't feel like my womanhood should be called into question as much as anyone else's and just thank you both for not being horrible. I'll look forward to the channel 4 broadcast :)

@ToppyTree 3 күн бұрын

Stay strong ❤

@jak9410 3 күн бұрын

Men are a threat to women. Which is precisely why they have been barred from women's rooms. Just because you dress as a woman, that doesn't change. It doesn't matter what you feel, what matters is reality.

@vkestrel3519 3 күн бұрын

I appreciated Alistair’s position and am glad he called this issue out for what it is. She really doesn’t speak for all of us ❤

@windywindmill98 3 күн бұрын

It's for this reason I was so glad to hear Keir Starmer's answer tonight include the fact that trans people deserve to be treated with respect and dignity like everyone else

@tabbymoonshine5986 3 күн бұрын

You are not alone. People are currently being whipped up into a hateful frenzy. But it won't be forever, most people are compassionate and good. They know trans people aren't their enemy

@Emperortyping 3 күн бұрын

Regarding turning off, I saw James Cleverly being asked about the tory candidates not being suspended for gambling and his immediate response was "well, Kier Starmer and..." And at that point I skipped the rest of the statement as it was clearly going to be pointless bullshit.

@mogzybuster 2 күн бұрын

According to the tories, without fail, the blame for this country's ills lie at the feet of labour and /or the EU and/ or immigrants (in no particular order); all while failing to acknowledge the obvious, that they have been 'governing' the UK for the last 14 years.

@leeharris7727 2 күн бұрын

Kier once ate a curry. 🙄

@martinrussell6174 2 күн бұрын

Then decided to scapegoat Bengalis...

@jeangenie5807 3 күн бұрын

As a former Public Servant I took my agreement and signing of the Official Secrets Act very seriously. I never used my position and any information to my own personal financial advantage, and I consider that MPs of any shade have an even higher bar to work to. Most of the Tories have ducked that bar, or never even considered it as applying to them. Disgraceful behaviour. 😡

@Visherex 3 күн бұрын

Thank you for your service, with integrity

@Smoothjock 3 күн бұрын

@@jeangenie5807 by god! That dates you!! The policy now, as I understand it, is “To speak ‘YES’ unto power.”

@alst4817 3 күн бұрын

@@Visherex what’s with the Americanism?!😂

@Visherex 3 күн бұрын

@alst4817 public service can refer to the army, or any public service, not sure how it's American except insofar as they're a more militarised country

@Friedrich-ck2le 3 күн бұрын

Ukraine is lost. The Ukraine warmonger cheerleaders, for the longest time, forwarded the narrative that Ukraine was on the cusp of winning. What happened? Like the Forever Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the disgraceful legacy will be the billions of pounds shoveled into the Ukrainian war armaments abyss.

@Rakkeyal 3 күн бұрын

I wouldn't want to be Keir Starmer - it just won't be possible to fix a fraction of what's gone wrong since Cameron within the next five years. I suspect the right will blame them for every problem that still exists in under 18 months.

@evonne_o 3 күн бұрын

Think the right will fighting with each other leaving the adults to try and sort out the mess

@mogzybuster 2 күн бұрын

I believe that is the main reason why the labour manifesto is so cautious.

@tomfenlon8567 2 күн бұрын

@@mogzybuster Always better to under-promise and overdeliver than over-promise and underdeliver

@mogzybuster 2 күн бұрын

@@tomfenlon8567 Yes agreed, also part of Starmer's caution imo

@TheUrbanher0 7 сағат бұрын

Then the masses will flock to the right

@sluglife9785 2 күн бұрын

So we don't want people to vote for populist or non-centrist parties, but we "can't afford" to institute policies which mitigate the suffering of the poor and lower middle classes. Good luck with that. Rory's willingness as a wealthier person to pay more tax is arguably the only sensible answer at this point. The 'grow the economy more' argument is a shallow and slow response. To see Labour man Alastair trying to undermine Rory by saying, "you'd be mad to vote for this or that party because it'll cost you more," shows exactly where the centre left have gone wrong. They've swallowed the selfish individualism logic of the neoliberal right hook, line, and sinker.

@alantheinquirer7658 3 күн бұрын

How often do we have to hear the pathetic declaration "it might be wrong ... but it's not illegal"? The whole construction of British parliamentary culture has been based on the assumption that to get into power, politicians are 'honourable'. Thew reason why Johnson - and Trump - managed to do the unthinkable was that the founders of democracy didn't think characters like Johnson etc. would get into power. There's no rules against it because no one thought someone would do it! The whole gambling thing shows the shabby attitude of those currently at the top - they placed bets on the GE with the same attitude as a Derby sweep at the office. Consider that morally insider betting is as bad as insider trading. And we are shown that those at the top don't consider morality as a limiting factor.

@Tom-hp1os 3 күн бұрын

Ultimately there are more pressing priorities for politicians to focus on. Not belittling the transgender debate but it has an overweighted level of focus compared to say reducing the need for Food Banks and child poverty!

@AlyxEvans 3 күн бұрын

We're being used as culture war cannon fodder to distract people from what the issues actually are, like people not being able to afford to bascally be alive. It's still utterly galling to see stuff like an SDP event where two straight guys talk about us being a threat to women, children and the 'LGB community', one of which was Rod Liddle who was under police caution for beating his pregnant girlfriend, has written how as a teacher he would rape girls, and argued that CSAM should be legal to view. The other was Graham Linehan, who literally went mad with transphobia to the point his wife and kids left him. It's never been about women and children's safety, it's always been about stirring up and weaponising hatred of us as a distraction, and anyone participating in it are just useful idiots for the wealthy ruling class who think it's OK that people have to choose between being warm in winter or eating.

@samuelmelton8353 3 күн бұрын

It's not mainstream politicians forcing the issue, it's the Brexit and Reform nutters

@TrevorBarre 3 күн бұрын

I'm afraid it's a case of s/he who shouts loudest if often the one who gets the most attention. NOT an election winner.

@deebefree 3 күн бұрын

Tell this to an inflammatory media which is having to be more and more extreme and provocative in order to just keep the roof over their heads. Of course there are issues that need to be addressed, but in terms of the ranking in 99.5% of the population, this discussion isn't even relevance. Unfortunately, these articles and videos are designed to sow the seeds of disagreement and therefore engagement, making this feel like a much more mainstream discussion that it actually is.

@samuelmelton8353 3 күн бұрын

@@deebefree This is exactly why the BBC, for all its faults, is a good thing to have in a democracy. All other channels need to survive and will do whatever it takes to break even - the BBC can simply focus on providing a news service. Not an endorsement of their entertainment services, but an impartial publicly funded news organisation is the ideal.

@user-zc4yd9ss7h 3 күн бұрын

Deeply corrupt behaviour by the Tories.

@SamGalvin-s4s 2 күн бұрын

Alistair continuously grilling and criticizing the government about making the lives of most people in this country worse over the past 14 years due to austerity. Whilst at the same time he laughs at the green manifesto which promises to improve working conditions, invest in industry, and reduce inequality but backs a labour manifesto that is signing up to austerity is not only hypocritical and not analytical but is the exact reason why people have stopped believing that centrist politics can improve their lives. Rory has clearly noticed that neoliberalism is failing and is open to looking for an alternative. Alistair should take note as this is the only way forward if he wants more people to care about politics which he so desperately does! Don't be part of the problem!

@susanwood1445 3 күн бұрын

The talk on the bus in Peterborough was how the gambling scandel just shows that politicians just care about lining their pockets and not helping those who elected them. What does motivate people is the NHS. Cancel clinician student debt and get them to work in NHS for 5 years was the cry.

@catherinedemorvan5032 2 күн бұрын

I think 30 years service is what they owe us. Trotting off to earn millions in US is immoral and should attract financial penalties - ie repaying their training. Exemptions for those going to work in third world.

@zedrake 3 күн бұрын

I'm in a Labour stronghold with a 15k majority and it could be a Green vote from me despite being a Labour member. Their wealth tax focus is a biggy. I don't like how limp Labour is being with wealth and the 1%'ers. I fall in an awkward spot where my effective tax rate is near 70% because of plan 2 degree and a masters degree + being in the top 5% of earners. So a hypothetical Green victory would shaft me even more but overall it would be better for the country. Edit: I don't like their nationalisation approach. It would cost us a few hundred billion to just nationalise everything how they want to whereas Labour want to slowly move towards nationalisation which I feel is more realistic. I don't like how the Greens view 50k and up as "high earner" in todays economy.

@andrewharrison7767 3 күн бұрын

50k is around 150% median income - by percentile 75% is 48k, 80% is 52k; it might not sound much, particularly net, but it definitely qualifies as high in todays economy

@markwelch3564 3 күн бұрын

I'm in a similar position wage wise, and I am also openly calling for me to be taxed a bit more, as long as billionaires are taxed so they pay their share too!

@andrewharrison7767 3 күн бұрын

@@markwelch3564 /getting at the billionaires needs a total redefinition of 'income', or an equalising of dividend rates etc with income tax - The same thing Cameron criticized Jimmy Carr for, but is used by hundreds of mp's for articles, books & tv earnings. It'll never happen under the tories, but I doubt labour will either - Alistair's labour definitely didn't & their manifesto lists £5.25 Bn from non dom & tax avoidance measures (which cost the exchequer circa £140 Bn a year)

@markwelch3564 3 күн бұрын

@@andrewharrison7767 have you seen the tax proposal Brazil are presenting at the G20? That's got some interesting ideas

@tabbymoonshine5986 3 күн бұрын

If you are earning 50k and over, you are doing EXTREMELY well in this economy. It's okay to admit how LUCKY you are, many of us are living in poverty through sheer bad luck

@Jeanette47 3 күн бұрын

How many shares in nurseries did the Sunak's buy before the expansion of childcare provision was announced? How many others bought such shares before that announcement?

@user-mv2nv6rd9b 3 күн бұрын

Would someone wrap Farage in a Russian flag please!

@zdwade 10 сағат бұрын

Would someone send the labor party to China

@user-mv2nv6rd9b 8 сағат бұрын

@@zdwade oh beg your pardon Farage has long since wrapped himself in the godless Russian flag.

@Notmehimorthem 3 күн бұрын

Same old corrupt Tories. How about all the insider share dealings that never see the light of day?

@largesatsuma 3 күн бұрын

I love when Rory laughs. He seems very boyish.

@irefi64 3 күн бұрын

He seems very boyish all the time. In a nice way.

@archied101 3 күн бұрын

Legalise the pots

@archied101 3 күн бұрын

Hi Rory and Alistair. I've been thinking about the labour private school VAT policy. personally I would like to see allowance for a transitional period where schools are given a proportion of the new tax back to subsidise the most needy families who may have to take their kids out of their current private schools. This would ideally end after the next academic year so that parents can then decide whether they can afford private education under the new rules. Thank you for your time and I hope this can stimulate some productive debate

@FullMetalAsh 3 күн бұрын

I don't think that people have lost interest in debates per se - I think they simply lack interest in the current political landscape. Sunak is written off by many people as incompetent and dishonest, Starmer is similarly written off as dull and vague in his answers, so people aren't willing to sit through a long debate where nothing of note is said. It's far more interesting, illuminating, and efficient for me as a member of the public to listen to commentators such as the two of you actually pulling them apart. If I felt that the leaders themselves would actually provide something of value we haven't all heard before in a debate, I'd watch it.

@markwelch3564 3 күн бұрын

Likewise. I get all my debates second hand too. I chip in to help fund a few channels so they can sit through the news on my behalf and find the interesting stuff!

@MackerelCat 3 күн бұрын

Sorry Alastair but you’ve clearly not done any meaningful research on the trans issue. Rory is right to concede his lack of qualification for the debate. To put it mildly, it’s easy to take a moral position when it costs you nothing. As a man, the trans issue costs Alastair precisely nothing.

@TheDandonian 3 күн бұрын

Don't elevate GB News just to sell some books. 1.) Their viewers don't read 2.) You can't beat an ignoramus in an argument

@sempressfi 2 күн бұрын

Alistair, what you said about the transgender community was very much appreciated. I'm not trans but I am bi and I have had a couple transgender friends who I am honored to say trusted me enough to be the first person they came out to (and luckily mostly found acceptance from others and their families when they felt comfortable coming out to them though it hasn't been easy) so it's been really frustrating, scary, and enraging seeing them treated as political footballs. Culture wars may be mostly only important to those determined to fight them but remember there are real casualties and they target the most vulnerable among us. Also, the witch trials of JK Rowling is worth listening to, yes, but there's quite a lot wrong with the way it was presented and framed. If you really want to see how it affects those of us who have had to deal with the fallout rather than worrying about the billionaire with a castle who has somehow decided this is the one thing worth her time now, watch people like Caelan Conrad here on YT

@stivoarscott5831 2 күн бұрын

alternatively Farage is expecting to be remembered in 2029 as the only UK politician who "told you" about Ukraine, just as he did about Iraq.

@kenp291 3 күн бұрын

I'm saddened that Alastair and Rory didn't discuss JK Rowling's Times article, as it was an opportunity to explore the situation of an MP choosing not to attend hustings due to death threats. The trans issues aren't going to be solved within a podcast debate its clearly incredibly emotive and complex, but perhaps the issue of heightened misogyny (and transphobia), the suspension of a Labour peer, and safety of MPs is worthy of comment and discussion? The policy and cost implications around creating safe spaces for all, or how to help create room for polarised groups to learn and listen to each other are other subjects I'd really like to hear them both discuss.

@paulgibbon5991 Күн бұрын

It's not complex at all. It's a handful of cynical right-wingers stirring up hate against a disenfranchised minority for culture war points.

@jimmymac4778 3 күн бұрын

The Tories always want their grubby little hands on money

@Brianunich 3 күн бұрын

Which political party don’t , by necessity, want our money?… isn’t that the whole point? To make laws and decide how to best spend our money?

@jonathonjubb6626 3 күн бұрын

@@BrianunichVery clever, typical Tory dodge the known meaning, answer something else. Did you learn this at Public School?!?

@Brianunich 3 күн бұрын

@@jonathonjubb6626Aye.. oh no wait,big comprehensive in Sheffield. I’m no Tory love, now what?

@nickt4200 3 күн бұрын

and the suspended Labour candidate?

@jonathonjubb6626 3 күн бұрын

@@Brianunich Coincidence or what? King Ted's 1968 vintage here.. I have reread your comment and admit I underestimated the full meaning. My apologies...

@mohammedomar4652 3 күн бұрын

sunak is hiding behind his own incompetence which is so massive it could eclipse the sun

@smoozerish 3 күн бұрын

Has Britain finally got the balls to consign the Tories to history?

@samuelmelton8353 3 күн бұрын

Considering the Tories keep winning, it seems the British electorate aren't averse to voting in fossils.

@jessechambers8468 3 күн бұрын

33:10 I'm gonna need that one again. Against the Westminster consensus on what, Rory??? 😆😆😆

@samuelmelton8353 3 күн бұрын

Good luck greens

@hilarykirkby4771 3 күн бұрын

I'm really not interested in the sexuality of others, and I'm a woman who's nearing 80 yrs now. As long as people do no harm to others is my motto and always has been. It figures nowhere on my political agenda, way behind poverty, affordable housing, schooling, health etc.

@inter-linked 3 күн бұрын

They are doing harm to children.

@paulgibbon5991 Күн бұрын

@@inter-linked No they're not. Overwhelmingly, actual child abusers are people the children already know well (family, stepfamily, religious figures, authority figures). Unless you consider education "abuse", but I think that would be more down to your fears that the next generation might turn out to be nicer and kinder than you are.

@RogerWilks-tb5xn 2 күн бұрын

Just want to say how much I am enjoying Rory's book Politics On the Edge, entertaining, insightful, and funny, best wishes Roger

@eddiemclachlan247 3 күн бұрын

You guys are brilliant, its the politicians that are poor quality and why cant the British public see the quality of people of differing views having a rational conversation...I heard that GB radio interview and standing up for the young voters!!!, If we can give young people the vote it stimulates hopefully good debate and maybe shames the older/more enshrined positions to reflection.

@andrewmcewan8081 2 күн бұрын

the fake leak would have been better coming from rory saying that they had accidentally not deleted him from the list for the campaign.if Alistair was going to do it he should have done it about Labour

@chazwyman 3 күн бұрын

No politican or associate ought to be placing any bets on the election. There is a simple way to solve this problem for Sunak. He should simply ask each accused the simple question "have you placed a bet on the election timing?" If they answer yes, then they get booted out, if they say, no then Sunak has covered his arse, and they get to wait for the judgement.

@kahn9980 3 күн бұрын

Please let Rory and Alastair play Minecraft on stream!

@PatOfTheRick 3 күн бұрын

For someone who is now known as a woman’s rights advocate I rarely see JKR mention anything that isn’t about trans people. I feel like the mainstream view of her as a reasonable critic is well behind the curve of her online activity.

@emjackson2289 3 күн бұрын

She was the author who, let's not forget, wrote a scene where a female ghost invaded the boys bathrooms at Hogwarts & invented poly-juice potion so people could, if they wished, change their appearance without the consent of the person who's hair they stole. If that's an allegory for "men, now you know how it feels" then clearly it never stopped blokes - or indeed other women - from interesting butch lesbian women or women who are bald for one reason or another when using changing rooms & toilets etc.

@taekwanlew 3 күн бұрын

A horrible, horrible person

@oneofmanyjames-es1643 3 күн бұрын

On top of that, for someone who tries to frame her views as feminism she's remarkably good at reducing womanhood to the ability to pump out kids, which I can't help but feel is a backwards step

@_Fornad 3 күн бұрын

Rory mentioned the Witch Trials of JK Rowling as a sympathetic take on her - there's an extremely good and meticulous takedown of that podcast on KZfaq by ContraPoints ('The Witch Trials of J.K. Rowling | ContraPoints'). "And there's an even broader question here about whether we can justifiably react to anything with scorn and condemnation. Is ‘canceling’ ever warranted? Is it right to condemn racism, homophobia and misogyny, or should we allow spokespeople for these prejudices a respected position in the free marketplace of ideas where we can all sit around debating the legitimacy of gay marriage or the possible merits of a white ethnostate? Is the Final Solution a myth promulgated by the International Jew? Are yoga pants to blame for sexual violence? Wouldn't the taxpayer save a lot of money if there weren't so many disabled people? Who knows! These are open questions, let's sit down with people on both sides, on many sides, and have a calm, civil conversation about it for the rest of our goddamn lives."

@ToppyTree 3 күн бұрын

No one who tweets that much should be taken seriously

@errolneptune3995 3 күн бұрын

The people that still support the Tories are those doing so through habit, those who have been taught to vote tory and those who gain from the tories. Which 20% equates to 20% of the population. Funnily those that gain from the tories are less than 1% so that other 18%-19% i actually feel sorry for. Couple days ago i watched someone interviewing someone from Goldalming and they said the tories have done a bad job and Sunak is a joke then to say but im still voting tory because my late parent's voted tory. Then he was asked if the tories could do anything to lose your vote and the man said 'probably not'. That statement has stayed with me the last few days. I was told by a lecturer 20 years ago to see yourself as an independent and judge each candidate based on merit and see if you have shared ideas and views. Once you vote for them hold them to the highest standard and scrutinize them. Mr Tan also went on to say if you pledge your loyalty and unwavering future support to them you become a tool for them and they will only call on you when needed. All parties forcus there attention to independent or swing voters. Also i was told never let any candidate know what your voting intentions are make them work for your vote. Finally he said be weary of those that are lifelong single party voters as they are the sheep you do not want to be following. A person who views and beliefs that dont change over time are those that dont grow and develop. I have a couple friends like that aged 40 that still hold the same veiws and beliefs now and act the same way now as they did when they were 20. Education and knowledge changes you over time!

@jenimolyneux2228 Күн бұрын

I am deeply appalled by the Labour Party sidelining woman. Thank goodness for JK

@mcgarryit 3 күн бұрын

What in John Mearscheimer's argument on ukraine vs Russia vs NATO do you disagree with?

@sarahmcdonagh2081 3 күн бұрын

Is NF the only person who understands Joe Biden's thirst for forever war?

@artvandelay3922 3 күн бұрын

It would be great to support Ukraine to victory, but there's a few commentators now saying it's not possible. What's happened to them has been brutal, the West needs to look at their fault in this debacle and help make the right decision

@paulgibbon5991 Күн бұрын

@@artvandelay3922 Remember everyone, Russians never talk about peace when they think they're winning.

@swarming1092 3 күн бұрын

"Frequent flyer levy, Rory! That's going to hit you hard!" 🤣

@justintcb5189 3 күн бұрын

This podcast should be called 'The Left is Politics' because there is no conservative here. It's just one left winger moderately agreeing with another left winger.

@lakedistrict9450 3 күн бұрын

Good job about the Green manifesto. I’ve not looked at that. I like it.

@folkingadams 3 күн бұрын

I have vited green or Lib Dem in the past . The Greens co leader Adrian Ramsey is standing (new constituency Waveney) here and could get it But I will be voting reform . As will many others I know . I think you are both underestimating Farage and some of the reform candidates.

@mikamirokazassoglou2539 3 күн бұрын

On the topic of deep fakes and AI I think we need to delve into this further and talk more about automation. its not spoken about anywhere near enough in parliament and in manifestos for the next term. With the amount of progress in the last 2 years, we can expect an enormous amount of growth in the next 5. I realise not all politicians are experts in computing but surely we need to be talking about the effects of mass automation and how we best introduce it? It will directly affect the economy, jobs, education in positive and negative ways. Harnessing it is the best way forward!

@philipmulville8218 3 күн бұрын

First Class discussion. 👏

@lkyuvsad 3 күн бұрын

Alistair's "...so that's affordable?" is exactly why I'll be voting Green instead of Labour until Labour's policies look a lot more like the Greens. Yes, of course it's affordable to pay doctors the same as they've previously been paid, in real terms. Per capita real terms GDP is at historical highs. Our debt/GDP ratio is high, but it's far lower than it was during the post-war boom, and interest rates are still low. If it's not affordable to pay crucial workers sensibly, we have to ask- "then where is the money going? And can we get it back from wherever it went?". As Rory says, the Greens have found a way to afford a return to better times, which is to tax the very wealthy until the ratios of private/public wealth and rich/poor wealth look a bit more like they did when things were better for most people. This goes directly to the root of the problem, which is that our public services are universally underfunded, whereas the private sector and the very wealthy have never been richer. A wealth tax is by far the most direct solution to that problem. The fact that taxation like that proposed by the Greens is unthinkable for Labour I fear condemns them to failure in tackling the root cause of our problems as a country. That's potentially a disaster, because after Labour the electorate aren't going back to the Tories any time soon, so who do they turn to? It's not going to be the Greens, is it? Maybe the Lib Dems get a turn? But I think they still look like part of the established system that people are growing increasingly disillusioned with, and people do understand that radical action is required, even if they don't necessarily know what sort of action that should be. I fear people will turn to something like Reform, or worse.

@fburton8 3 күн бұрын

Well said, sir, you hit the nail on the head.

@mmmhorsesteaks 3 күн бұрын

Remember when Corbyn proposed that? Got completely sidelined and marginalized. That's how you ended up with starmer in the first place.

@deebefree 3 күн бұрын

This is exactly right and I think what a lot of Talking Heads are missing here. there is a huge percentage of the population that's just had enough with the political class and system as a whole and therefore voices like Nigel Farage are becoming increasingly appealing despite what he saying. Unfortunately, Labour choosing to play this one safe and expecting to ride the wave of 'get the Tories out'. This feels like a huge mistake as they have a real opportunity to make significant change and as you said above address the root of the issue. I would be much more inclined for a coalition of all parties aside from the big two and Reform, as is more common in many European countries. Really this should be the moment for Labour to throw open the door to the other parties to form a coalition and actually get some significant change made, as the country feels close to breaking point in many different areas.

@aaronleeclayton95 3 күн бұрын

I noticed Alistair quickly changed the topic to France once Rory shifted the conversation to Labour claiming they won't raise taxes. I'm also a traditional labour voter who will probably vote Green. They've proposed dramatic action to challenging issues and will support the NHS. Labour have proposed economic conservatism and what can only be defined as an austerity budget

@noizydan 3 күн бұрын

Labour have made the gamble that they don't need my vote to win by moving their tent onto their opponents pitch. Not a pitch I can vote for. So be it. Labour and Conservatives have both tried and failed to run things. It's time to boost the alternatives and encourage PR.

@peterm7548 3 күн бұрын

Footballers are absolutely forbidden from placing any bets on football to prevent corruption. Equally politicians should be absolutely forbidden from betting on when an election will be held or on anything related to domestic or international politics.

@ernestvanophuizen461 3 күн бұрын

Not even allowed to eat a pasty...

@plebius 3 күн бұрын

So are politicians, just no one has acknowledged it. Every bet you make is a contract. If you look up the T and C's. It will say that if you are involved in that field then you are not allowed to. This applies to pretty much everything. Even a very famous fast food board game based monopoly. It's written on the side of where every token is. No employees or family of employees may enter.

@gregorybiestek3431 3 күн бұрын

@@plebius For all of you complaining about your corruption in the UK, the USA Supreme Court just ruled that 40-years of laws against officials accepting money & gifts AFTER awarding lucrative contracts are now ILLEGAL. That means if any Tory moves to the USA it is now perfectly legal for a UK company to give them £100,000 as a thank-you for giving them a £10,00,000 PPE contract. Don’t you just love crony capitalism?

@bloofle674 3 күн бұрын

There is a Contrapoints youtube video about the witch trials of jk rowling, if you'd like to hear a trans person talk about it, dear reader.

@emmaf5955 3 күн бұрын

EXACTLY! 🥇👍👍👍

@jeevesosiris 3 күн бұрын

Great show with great back and forth

@archied101 3 күн бұрын

Yeah legalise it

@stripeyjoe 3 күн бұрын

I think having a frequent flyer tax would be a great thing, also making all short haul flights much more expensive than the rail equivalent, preferably by reducing the cost of rail as well as increasing the cost of flying.

@hayee 3 күн бұрын

Re the trans debate. As a woman (genetic, whatever the technical term is), I have absolutely no issues with trans women, and I certainly don’t feel unsafe sharing “female” toilets with them. They are more likely to be attacked by a woman by birth than vice versa. Yes there will be isolated incidents but that’s not anything to do with gender, if a person is vicious, dangerous, aggressive or otherwise that’s a personality trait. I also don’t feel unsafe around men, the majority of my friends are men and the only instance i am treated any differently if there is any kind of perceived danger, then they are more protective, aside from that my gender is irrelevant, i am just their friend. The real issue here is we need to teach attackers not to attack anyone else, not argue over genetic males and females or trans men and trans women. Live and let live!

@stevenhoward3358 3 күн бұрын

Well that seems to be a fairly sensible stance and probably one shared by most people. It doesn't fit with Badenoch's dog-whistle politics.

@inter-linked 3 күн бұрын

You’re clearly not up to date with current affairs. Do you have young children? It is not simply about womens toilets, dear lady. Our children are being indoctrinated, medicated at mutilated. Trans propaganda is being promoted in schools and universities. Our children are being corrupted. It is a medical scandal. Anyone supporting/ tolerating such a vile abuse of children will be held account.

@jak9410 3 күн бұрын

Who is more likely to commit SA, men, or women? You know the answer. Men are more violent because of our biology, it's time to grow up and accept reality.

@emmaf5955 3 күн бұрын

@@stevenhoward3358Hear hear.

@artvandelay3922 3 күн бұрын

Yes, why don't we teach attackers not to attack?

@roydini1 Күн бұрын

I feel betrayed by Starmer and the direction he has taken Labour in in order to win power. No way I can vote for him. I'll be hoping that a combination of low turnout, votes for smaller parties and independents, and the general malaise for mainstream politics keeps Labour's majority to a minimum.

@petercassidy0628 3 күн бұрын

We do have many greedy people in politics also the city is very corrupt banks laundering all sorts of dodgy money .

@darrenbullock9153 3 күн бұрын

It's so hard now to filter fact from satire. I also had to do a double take on Sunday. The state of things now currently make the Thick of it look tame.

@catrionaskivingtonskivingt4819 3 күн бұрын

I’m in Scotland & will be voting SNP.Compared to the rest of the U.K. the SNP have a better record on health education etc they may not be perfect & they could do better but compared to the other parties they’re the best option.

@TheOGFrostiest 3 күн бұрын

Legalise

@adamfrank4192 3 күн бұрын

I would vote green if I were British but I am Canadian and our Green party is useless in fact all of our parties are. I have no idea what to vote next time in Canada but in Britain for sure it would be Green and in France Front Populaire.

@homeslice0195 3 күн бұрын

What I found worse than the corruption was that the security officer was arrested, yet those connected to power were merely forced to make a public mea culpa. On face value, this looks grossly unjust and far more corrosive than a simple betting scandal.

@Rhinee 3 күн бұрын

My first time catching the premiere 😎

@jainjain1258 3 күн бұрын

What about the Cass report Alastair? Look it up.

@adamfrank4192 3 күн бұрын

On the subject of high income tax. It was never higher on the most wealthy than in the 50s and 60s when in fact people were much better off could afford housing and had university education with no fees and grants and a decent health service. I believe business still survived very well at that time so please stop this anti taxtion of the wealthy nonesense started by Freidman and put into action by Thatcher and Reagan but also carried on by every governement since then. Lower taxes on the wealthy IS the problem that caused everything else. It's time to go back to good sense balanced economics and balance requires that those with the broadest shoulders pay a lot more than at present.

@ruairidhmunro 3 күн бұрын

1. The incoming government MUST commit to applying the Nolan Principles in full and give the committee for standards in public office full authority. 2. They should also commit on day one (if not now) to abide by and implement the Levison recommendation in full (100%). Only then will be get anywhere near back to trusting politicians.

@samuelmelton8353 3 күн бұрын

Listen to what Alastair is saying - Labour voters might be apathetic or considering Green - don't be put off by the Greens being a small party, now's the time to support them. If Alastair is concerned, then it is not a vote wasted!

@inter-linked 3 күн бұрын

The greens are imbeciles.

@petergreenslade6194 3 күн бұрын

Stewart and Campbell start by suggesting Farage has ruined things after his Ukraine remarks. Then go on to say Reform won't make much impacted with issues like 'woke' culture because according to polls only 5% think it is important. Yet an equal amount 5% on the same poll think supporting the Ukraine is important. Using the same logic why then would most voters really care what Farage says about the Ukraine. The problem with Rory Stewart asking his mother what she thinks, and Campbell's emotion at Farage, is they don't sound reliable. An Uber driver who meets the public would have a better idea of voters.

@paulgibbon5991 Күн бұрын

"Ukraine". Putting the "the" before it is a Russian meme intended to delegitimise Ukraine as a country.

@petergreenslade6194 Күн бұрын

@@paulgibbon5991 You believe that I am trying to delegitimize the Ukraine by the use of 'the'... funny. 🤔 Anyway, the 5% of UK voters who think the Ukraine is an important issue is only one in twenty. It sounds like most voters do not care about the Ukraine. Alister and Tory as nice as they are, could be in their own bubble about Farage. When is the last time Alister or Tory played darts with a mechanic, electrician, or plumber? I have a hunch they only talk to people who share their views. The voters could turn on Labor, as easily as they have with the Tories over illegal migration. And if Farage is in parliament that is what he is hoping.

@paulgibbon5991 Күн бұрын

@@petergreenslade6194 Ah, sorry, thought you were British. Botski reported, may you soon be drafted.

@eamonnevans8005 2 күн бұрын

Why was Rory Stewart ever in the Conservative Party? It makes no sense, (as it never did with Louise Mensch or Ruth Davidson).

@arv814 Күн бұрын

I cannot abide how career politicians operate in this country and do not pretend to understand politics , but, I find both of you fascinating and all your content is easy to follow and super interesting...

@GaryFuller 2 күн бұрын

"They're gonna right books about this election"... They includes Alastair and Rory I hope.

@guignardiere 3 күн бұрын

I'm a woman and the transgender "thing" doesn't even make it on to my list of the 100 most important "things"

@HJJSL-bl8kk 3 күн бұрын

It's not even in my top thousand important things!

@geordieinjapan 3 күн бұрын

Its just bizarre that with all the problems in the country, which toilet a tiny percent of people use is somehow all important to some.

@kathrynhobbs8874 3 күн бұрын

@@HJJSL-bl8kkmaybe neither you, nor your young femail family members are aspiring athletes. Some of mine are/were. The government/general view of this affects their chances for success.

@chazwyman 3 күн бұрын

Nor should it.

@annishilcock4587 3 күн бұрын

@@geordieinjapan It seems to obsess JK Rowling.

@lucasward5155 3 күн бұрын

14:07 I'm so happy that AC said this. So much of the mainstream media and centre-left pander to JKR and her bigotry. For someone like AC to call out the nonsense and highlight the discrimination Trans people experience is incredible.

@jonathangammond3019 3 күн бұрын

Much prefer to attend a constituency hustings where I can vote for the candidates unlike the leaders' debates which play into this presidential style of politics where there is more heat than light.

@cogema97 3 күн бұрын

Legal eyes

@Jeanette47 3 күн бұрын

Real eyes realise real lies

@johnking5174 3 күн бұрын

You only have to look at the GB News coverage of trans issues to see how many on the right feel about this subject. Trans people deserve so much support and so much help with this life changing event in their lives. Just GB News and the right wingers seem to not understand the human aspect of trans issues. They really can't understand it, and we need to educate people more on trans issues, this needs to be taught in schools and needs to be taught well.

@paulgibbon5991 Күн бұрын

They're afraid of understanding. They're worried not that children will learn about gender and decided "I want to be trans." They're worried that children will be kinder and more compassionate than they are, making them look bad by comparison.

@jonathancarless8496 2 күн бұрын

I can’t believe Alistair has never heard of Minecraft.

@andrewmcewan8081 2 күн бұрын

rory should just ask alistar the same questions about labours costing of their manifesto

@ohheyitskevinc 3 күн бұрын

Is the election night channel 4 thing going to be live here on KZfaq? Am a trip member but not in the UK.

@mirosawurbaniak5577 3 күн бұрын

Yeah, Alistair, there are people who read manifestos and think about the public, not of themselves. It is beyond your understanding I guess, but hitting you with frequent flier tax, so you don't fly there and back to watch failing Scottish team playing around the world is a good thing for UK public, and for the planet actually.

@mattym8038 7 сағат бұрын

I voted Green, got to love their ambition, also honesty on tax.

@olivermcgill6454 3 күн бұрын

Omg please play minecraft on stream 😂

@ajjimbob 2 күн бұрын

As a constituent of Mr Davies i hope to god he loses his seat not like he earned it and from what i have read about his record I'm glad hes not even trying not even a leaflet from the Cons, and the final cringe match for me was enraging im just sick to the back teeth of the whining child like attitude that Mr Sunak and the modern conservative party.

@sempressfi 2 күн бұрын

Wish I could watch channel 4 live here in the States! Will def be checking their YT to see if that stream it there or at least upload parts of the coverage

@shadowplai 3 күн бұрын

You both raise good points on the debates being boring, I think I personally value both your insights far more than either candidate as I feel you offer far more interesting thoughts compared to regurgitated lines from Sunak and Starmer. I just feel like I'll never learn anything new or interesting listening to the debates as they're so guarded because they are highly scrutinized so can't let normal human discussion happen. I think that's why people like Farage push through with some voters as he allows that human response out and sort of says I don't care what you think, this is how it is so people see the conviction and mistake is for being genuine/truthful. End of the day it's hard for people to connect to a tape recorder that keeps playing the same lines and why people disconnect from leaders especially if you lack charisma 😅

@Jack-yg7de 3 күн бұрын

Campbell sacking his chuddies over the Greens offering what Starmer's Tories should be offering. Worried much?

@heliotropezzz333 3 күн бұрын

If only I knew what 'sacking his chuddies' means.

@randomdaveUK 3 күн бұрын

I've already voted.. definitely not Tory or Reform

@-vz- 3 күн бұрын

How did you vote? 🗳️

@randomdaveUK 3 күн бұрын

@@-vz- Tactically. I checked and Labour are the best challenger to the Tory in my constituency 👍

@Visherex 3 күн бұрын

Good job man, civic duty

@catrinmoore4429 3 күн бұрын

Me too 😊

@willtricks9432 3 күн бұрын

@@randomdaveUK Nice one.

@dronechoons 3 күн бұрын

I'm pretty certain this Ai stuff is a bubble at the moment. It's an important development no doubt, and it will play a big part in our future. I think the analogy people should work to is that it's basically the internet in 1995, it's going to make a difference, but it'll be over a longer span of 25 years, and well businesses are going to have implement it, so that's going to be something in itself. But even beyond that to the AGI predictions, there's 2 things where I think that's folly firstly the energy requirements, people are predicting exponential development, but well that requires exponential power, that's a serious bottleneck. And secondly, we have no idea how the mind works, just because they have come up with innovative and fast ways to trawl databases and combine the info doesn't mean it's intelligent. We have no idea how the mind works, intelligence isn't just going to spawn from connecting databases. A lot of people looking for investment I think.

@jonathanholmes3429 3 күн бұрын

Could we have more questions on the green manifesto and Rory looking at voting Green Party please as part of exploring what policies from the minor parties could offer UK. Thank you.

@ScotGardi 3 күн бұрын

Rory just called the sun a planet. 💀

@hammadsaleemsoomro 3 күн бұрын

Hi guys from London

@colinseeney471 3 күн бұрын

Thank you for mentioning Howard Bernstein at the end. As someone from the neighbouring city of Salford he did so much to help transform the area after the 1996 bomb.

@Sr68720 3 күн бұрын

The french always agreed with Nazis they just didn't want to be conquered.

@equaliser2265 Күн бұрын

Ja ja das ist gut.

@geraldhewing2076 3 күн бұрын

I have no experience and scant knowledge of the transgender community except that they represent a small part of the population, fewer than 1%. I find it unfathomable that anyone, Ms. Rowling included, needs to promote discrimination against such a minority to further their own ends.

@joshyman221 3 күн бұрын

Because having biological men in biological women’s bathrooms is lunacy… I have full respect and sympathy for transgender people. But we need to be realistic that some things in society are distinguished by biology rather than gender (social).

@leftgrrl 3 күн бұрын

@@joshyman221 liar

@geraldhewing329 3 күн бұрын

@@joshyman221 I assume that when you use the prudish term "bathroom", you mean toilet; do you have separate toilets for males and females in your home? Where I live, in the communal areas should it happen that a segregated sex toilet is out of service, everybody uses the same, male or female and nobody is put out, they just need to use the toilet.

@Jablicek 3 күн бұрын

@@joshyman221 I understand that in the men's loo the urinals stand against a wall, but in the women's there are stalls because we don't want to see each other.

@Smoothjock 3 күн бұрын

@@joshyman221 I thought the “Ladies” all had individual cubicles. Your argument MIGHT, just perhaps, make sense in the Gents. Stop clutching your pearls for a moment and engage your Iccle bitty female brain. ❄️

@user-kj5pj6kr4c 2 күн бұрын

44:09 I have to correct Rory there, Zelenskyy didn't create his career around the role of the fictional president. Back in 2005 he and his friends had created a live TV show called The Evening Quarter, which was pretty much a political cabaret, and similarly to SNL in the US it has featured a lot of parodies of prominent Ukrainian political figures. The show was incredibly popular in Ukraine back in the late 00s (nauseatingly popular, I would say, you couldn't hide away from it), so by the time he did his Servant of the People TV series back in 2015 he was already one of the most recognizable people in Ukraine.

@Sr68720 3 күн бұрын

People are angry because they are not privileged to that same information to put a bet on and make money.

@FireflyOnTheMoon 3 күн бұрын

You are assuming people are criminals

@heliotropezzz333 3 күн бұрын

Insider trading is criminal. I think people are angry that the Tories always seem to get away with criminality whereas ordinary people are punished by the Tories just for being poor.

@PerpetuallyTiredMusician 3 күн бұрын

Dont worry sooner or later someone will ask her what she thinks about overweight people 😂

@rupes3618 3 күн бұрын

Very cynical of Henry here to equate my secret behaviour with politicians who know it will all over the papers!

@WizardofoOZeAU 3 күн бұрын

With a Labour government and conservatives reduced to a minor group, there should be the implicit mandate for an ethical clean up of the rules governing the behaviour of MPs. I'm not talking just about misbehaviour, a la fluttergate, but second jobs and investments outside of parliament and the time between serving and taking cushy jobs that may be payment in lieu of cash for influence. I am sure there are more instances that some have made an art out of, but there is an opportunity (an Overton window even) for reform of political representation to guarantee accountability, professionalise and raise the respectability of parliamentarians. Pundits have opined about what Labour would do with its "excess" MPs to keep them out of trouble. This and other issues that tackle non-expenditure issues could be investigated and solutions proposed by these backbenchers in consultation with interested parties and members of the public.

@mattgee5609 3 күн бұрын

Top show!

@nishantravikumar8522 3 күн бұрын

on the point of people not engaging with the live debates and the comparison against viewership for your discussions - the crucial point is, people find the politicians in the live debates far less interesting to listen to. Its not a fair comparison to compare the two directly, but the fact remains that the discourse that occurs in your discussions is far more interesting and informative than any live debate between politicians we have ever watched.