Top 10 Cavaliers (AoE2)

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Spirit Of The Law

Spirit Of The Law

Күн бұрын

While Paladins usually steal the spotlight, this time we're going to give some attention to the always reliable cavalier, including which civilizations are best set up to make the best use of them.
0:40 Which civilizations count?
1:14 #10 Huns
1:35 #9 Portuguese
1:55 #8 Romans
2:51 #7 Franks
3:52 #6
4:30 #5
5:22 #4
6:25 #3
7:30 #2
8:35 Honorable mentions
10:05 #1
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@fwosti3548
@fwosti3548 10 ай бұрын
I like the choice you made, SOTL. Discussing Cavalier in absence of Paladin civs would have been a strange conversation.
@0091Nathan
@0091Nathan 10 ай бұрын
I agree. I think it also reflects the fact that while we often see caviler in competitive 1vs1s we rarely see paladin as it's too expensive
@bdonaghu
@bdonaghu 10 ай бұрын
11:48 Man, seeing that ending clip where the group of cavalry weaving through a group of heavy camels while getting decimated is painful 😂
@anhdunghisinh
@anhdunghisinh 10 ай бұрын
And under 2 casltes firing
@The-jy3yq
@The-jy3yq 10 ай бұрын
@@anhdunghisinh Pole Cavaliers as well, so they just melt under Castle fire
@valgalla1594
@valgalla1594 10 ай бұрын
@@The-jy3yq also turk castles with free chemistry
@Nysyarc
@Nysyarc 10 ай бұрын
A video on the strongest cavaliers in the game closes out with a public service announcement on how NOT to use them, ever
@jacksonjstewart
@jacksonjstewart 10 ай бұрын
Kinda meta but I love how no matter how life changes and gets weird - I can trust Spirit will keep mathematically analyzing AOE2. Thanks Spirit.
@valgalla1594
@valgalla1594 10 ай бұрын
Oh no, Spirit mentioned Sicilians in top5, now devs are gonna nerf them again
@Dr.Happy11
@Dr.Happy11 10 ай бұрын
Good
@davidpereira5969
@davidpereira5969 9 ай бұрын
don't worry, they will compensate by further buffing their farm bonus
@webhancherx
@webhancherx 10 ай бұрын
I'd say Burgundians are the most honorable mention here. They give you the opportunity to spend resources on cavaliers which you'd otherwise be spending on advancing to Imperial Age.
@Umdeuter
@Umdeuter 10 ай бұрын
But you don't have real Cavaliers then. Lacking +4 and 20 HP, it's just a +2 Knight with a Cavalier-skin and free Bloodlines basically.
@musafar006
@musafar006 10 ай бұрын
5:24 loved the new skin of Gbeto :p @Spirit Of The Law
@xavierklassen7849
@xavierklassen7849 10 ай бұрын
The checkered horse armour looks way cooler on the cavalier than the paladin in my opinion. I always imagined them as race horses when i was little 😅😅
@martijn9568
@martijn9568 10 ай бұрын
So you prefer checkered to fleur de lis😢
@AdamSchadow
@AdamSchadow 10 ай бұрын
I honestly feel the exact other way about them.
@fibonacci112358s
@fibonacci112358s 10 ай бұрын
@@martijn9568 nobody likes the French... :p
@nvmtt1403
@nvmtt1403 10 ай бұрын
actually, thats coat of arms of bavaria
@i20coyote85
@i20coyote85 9 ай бұрын
Cavaliers look way cooler not like some fancy renaissance tourney knight or fantasy game knight
@saintpres4ge533
@saintpres4ge533 10 ай бұрын
This is also ignoring the extra gold from mining stone that poles get, which considering you can have defensive castles, to get the tech to get gold discount, means you can out produce in a 1v1 Arabia/Arena game. Defensive walls and castles protecting folwark farms means you have more resources, safe and strong eco and can focus on offense keeping your enemy from raiding or counter attacking.
@a.nonimus6705
@a.nonimus6705 10 ай бұрын
Poles are pretty sweet when it comes to booming and spamming cavalier lol no doubt they are number 1 in my opinion too
@davidpereira5969
@davidpereira5969 10 ай бұрын
i had no clue what whould be #1 after seeing #2, but i completely forgot about them. everything about that civ makes spamming cav a good idea, its like goths but with more flexibility
@teddyhaines6613
@teddyhaines6613 10 ай бұрын
And not one but several strong eco bonuses. Plus, cavalry are stronger than infantry to begin with.
@davidpereira5969
@davidpereira5969 10 ай бұрын
@@teddyhaines6613 i think the reason poles are somewhat good is that they are good in non cavalry stuff, while goths are very one dimensional and have very hard matchups vs good anti infantry civs. poles can go arbalest, have very good infantry unique unit, great siege options including bbc, maxed skirmishers for trash wars and ofc the winged hussar with trample damage. all of this with 2 solid eco bonuses
@teddyhaines6613
@teddyhaines6613 10 ай бұрын
@@davidpereira5969 Those things help, but the eco bonus is the most important. Goths can go archers for a while if they need to since they get crossbowman and bracer (most pros don't even get arbalest these days I've noticed), and they can go knights since they only miss the last cav armor, but there's no reason to go to Goths for those since (at least until recently with the new hunt bonus) they didn't have much of an economy bonus.
@mbvglider
@mbvglider 10 ай бұрын
The only thing for me is that do you really want to go there when trample hussars exist? Amazing tech though
@davidpereira5969
@davidpereira5969 10 ай бұрын
@@mbvglider the discounted knights/cavaliers are really good to make a timing push, its so easy to mass a ton of cavaliers that at the end of the day are cavaliers with +2 armor and bloodlines/husbandry. the hussar is more long term to use as a trash unit or with arbs, hussar arb is prety decent if you can keep the arb mass alive and just throw hussars everywhere
@edmorris4103
@edmorris4103 10 ай бұрын
Great video! As someone who plays Poles quite a lot, I believe you should have mentioned their other gold bonus as well; namely, stone mining granting gold. Not only do they have cheaper Cavaliers, but by mining stone they can keep making them longer.
@The_Room_2_Doggys_Revenge
@The_Room_2_Doggys_Revenge 10 ай бұрын
When I was a kid playing AoC, the Vikings had the best Cavaliers, in my opinion : I just loved the Vikings so much and would just go for full cavaliers not realizing the importance of the techs I was missing
@kelvinsomnia
@kelvinsomnia 10 ай бұрын
I always went either Vikings or Saracens as a kid. Their unique units were just so cool to me.
@Unholy_Louie
@Unholy_Louie 10 ай бұрын
Cavaliers and TH Swordsmen totally win the fashion contest for me :). Awesome looking units!
@midosch7639
@midosch7639 10 ай бұрын
And normal foot archers die the best 😂
@felixalexisortizlagos6904
@felixalexisortizlagos6904 10 ай бұрын
I rather Cavaliers than Paladins, on my opinion they look cooler
@DaCrump
@DaCrump 10 ай бұрын
Same always thought this myself, they just look cooler than the more fancy paladin
@DominatorLegend
@DominatorLegend 10 ай бұрын
Bucket-type helms are just so cool.
@Just_a-guy
@Just_a-guy 10 ай бұрын
Same with two handed swordsmen
@felixalexisortizlagos6904
@felixalexisortizlagos6904 10 ай бұрын
​@@Just_a-guy absolutelly
@naveendennis
@naveendennis 10 ай бұрын
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@omoviso3607
@omoviso3607 10 ай бұрын
Sotl has a really great voice that even though im no longer playing, im still watching his clips
@swisstravellearth6232
@swisstravellearth6232 10 ай бұрын
I love how much thoughts you put in the comparison. How about some kind top infantry top list next? - Top 10 infantry UU - Top 10 infantry by unit and civ - Top 10 infantry unit over all
@JuliusCaminus
@JuliusCaminus 10 ай бұрын
I think Burgundians cavalier deserved a real spot for coming an age early and way cheaper. The power spike of cavalier in castle age is huge, even without bloodlines. Yeah, they are weaker in the long run, but that isn't how they are meant to be used, especially because their paladins are also half-off. The outcome is actually longer-lasting and more impactful than the Frank scouts, which also stink long-term becuase of the bloodlines issue, but no one would say that the Frank scout rush is not good, even excellent. I would even say that they should bump the Franks from the list; The Frank bonus is really just free bloodlines (+4 hp on cavalier is so situational, it may as well not be noticed). What really propels the Franks cavalier is a good economy, not a free, already cheap tech from way back in feudal age. Real question: Do people even research chivalry often? I normally don't, because building more stables always seems easier for massing units, and it sure saves a lot of gold for more units.
@dattilo1
@dattilo1 10 ай бұрын
I think I played about 200 games with franks, never once researched chivalry, just make more stables and save the gold
@SuperD863
@SuperD863 10 ай бұрын
I think it would be fair to actually compare burgundian paladins with those other civs' chevaliers as the overall upgrade cost (due to the discount) makes them basically the same cost as Chevalier + Unique Tech for those other civs. Not to mention their vineyard unique tech which allows you to keep gold income even in the lategame.
@wandraak58
@wandraak58 10 ай бұрын
Doesnt the Vineyard give around 1 relic worth of gold per 24 farming vills? You ll have 34-45 on food in healthy late eco, so its not that significant....I think?
@WizardyDylan
@WizardyDylan 10 ай бұрын
@@wandraak58 i agree w/ ur theory but imo youd generally have more farmers than that if gold runs out, 60ish maybe more? especially if youre going for cav spam
@robfbms
@robfbms 10 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for listening to my suggestion, Spirit! ❤
@Pyroptere
@Pyroptere 10 ай бұрын
At 5:27 you are not showing a Gbeto (the unique unit of the Malians) but a Shotel Warrior (unique unit of the ethiopians) ;) Otherwise, love your video as always
@imperator8125
@imperator8125 10 ай бұрын
I’ve been surprising people with my unending chain of Portuguese cavaliers for so long now😂 I guess the secret is out
@harold5997
@harold5997 10 ай бұрын
Totally agree with the list and especially with #1, with their economy cavs just become a 'trash' unit where you can spam them forever without even care if you take good fights or not.
@squatlebherz4434
@squatlebherz4434 10 ай бұрын
Honestly... cavaliers are more important than paladins i think. I've lost so many games going for paladin when its just not affordable
@ryanforgo3500
@ryanforgo3500 10 ай бұрын
Can be the case for every paladin civ except franks imo.
@aarongreem4142
@aarongreem4142 10 ай бұрын
As well as Burgundians. While I understand they are an honorable mention, I give them credit for being the easiest to reach and most accessible cavaliers, and later paladins in AoE2.
@Mattroid99
@Mattroid99 10 ай бұрын
Hard agreed. Paladins in 1v1s are only good if you are 100% sure that they will give you the game in one fight but if not you pretty much threw all your gold
@teddyhaines6613
@teddyhaines6613 10 ай бұрын
Researching paladin in 1v1 is a calculated risk, yes. You need to really consider the situation and the enemy army you're facing before committing to it. It can be worth it against heavy cav archers or things like that, however.
@youcanthandlethetruth5433
@youcanthandlethetruth5433 10 ай бұрын
Not really. Spanish and Magyar can do it because they save gold (on upgrades) and for Spanish get gold as well. Teutons have to do it because you use them as a tank. So smash the enemy head on as no speed to run around raiding So Franks, Spanish, Magyar and teutons can research paladin in 1v1 comfortably The other ones you really gotta think if it's worth it. I would also argue that celts and byz have to research paladin because if you're going cavalier with them it's just not worth it so you must research paladin to make it a decent unit.
@Lothi66
@Lothi66 10 ай бұрын
I dont play AoE at all, but this videos are very relaxing.
@quasibrodo923
@quasibrodo923 10 ай бұрын
Malians don’t have 15% gold drop off anymore.
@aviationenthusiast2002
@aviationenthusiast2002 10 ай бұрын
Oofta. Time to private the video and redo it lol
@MegaMaster1021
@MegaMaster1021 10 ай бұрын
Oof
@Naccarat
@Naccarat 10 ай бұрын
They still have that bonus, just nerfed to 10%. So his point still stands
@ryanforgo3500
@ryanforgo3500 10 ай бұрын
As i mentioned above though, farimba technically is a +3 attack and free blast furnace so it is 375 food and 175 gold making it the cheapest castle tech in the game.
@quasibrodo923
@quasibrodo923 10 ай бұрын
@@Naccarat I said nothing about his point being invalid. Only that the bonus wasn’t 15% anymore. Presumably he started the video before the June update but only finished it now.
@shogun2215
@shogun2215 10 ай бұрын
I had a feeling the Polish Cavaliers were great
@jn1mrgn
@jn1mrgn 10 ай бұрын
Well they tried to fight with them in WWII so...
@SkreltNL
@SkreltNL 10 ай бұрын
@@jn1mrgn out off pure desperation & in effort to save their lands & families
@palopaleador6811
@palopaleador6811 10 ай бұрын
I played poles a day ago and was wondering "They are quite good, ¿Why are they not on the list?". The results surprised me ngl 😅
@ykscorpion1575
@ykscorpion1575 10 ай бұрын
they and gurjaras are the two civs i avoid
@alex_zetsu
@alex_zetsu 10 ай бұрын
I would really think cost would matter a lot in 1 vs 1 considering how inefficient using the market for gold is, but at least during the HD days, we saw unit quality often taking the edge over unit quantity. I mean even spirit was Surprised to see the Franks at one point #1.
@mvm8816
@mvm8816 10 ай бұрын
it does make sense though, if you can slightly outnumber your enemy and especially for slower meat grinding fights. For example 11 vs 10, the 10 would be winning 9 individually battle and quickly losing 1. That 1 loss now frees 2, to quickly stat winning 1 3vs1 or 2 2vs1. It's just cascades quickly, but there are a lot of other factors, unit speed, positioning, micro,...
@zendigames6371
@zendigames6371 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the content ☺️
@jamesmattila-hine1133
@jamesmattila-hine1133 10 ай бұрын
I'm not supirsed but it is nice to see my favorite civ at number one
@sowhat184
@sowhat184 10 ай бұрын
The price for stirrups is listed as 450f 200 gold at 5:46 and 400f and 200g at 4:35
@SIGNOR-G
@SIGNOR-G 10 ай бұрын
Price fluctuation
@emadsaberi
@emadsaberi 10 ай бұрын
inflation
@syntexx384
@syntexx384 10 ай бұрын
I love watching your videos after getting back into the game after roughly 10 years by now. Honestly you're one of the best Age of Empires content creators on all of KZfaq. Still miss your old Intro Song tho :D
@ryanforgo3500
@ryanforgo3500 10 ай бұрын
@sotl 1 mistake here brother. i always see/hear ppl write/say say this too. Farimba is not more expensive, it is rather one of the cheapest techs in the game considering it's power as it comes at the cost of losing blast furnace which is in it self expensive. Farima total cost is 650-275 and 400-225 gold Bringing it down to 375 food ane 175 gold only. Only downside is that it is imperial indeed.
@The-jy3yq
@The-jy3yq 10 ай бұрын
Well, can you guess who gets Blast Furnace in Castle Age?
@denizumut1
@denizumut1 10 ай бұрын
how about cost of castle (650 stone) vs cost of blacksmith (175 wood)
@ryanforgo3500
@ryanforgo3500 10 ай бұрын
@@denizumut1 first of all it was a bulgarians cost vs malians in which case both requires a castle. 2- if you say " cheaper tech but requires a castle" is like saying you can spend time collecting stone rather than other rss, then get a castle which in it self is an advantage. 3- castles ain't a bad investment man 😅 In which case both arguments are still irrelevant cuz it is an imperiap age tech and by then YOU WILL have a castle. While bulgarians tech is castle age which is where you are required to make a choice. If i don't need gbetos, i often get thst castle just for the techs but i use it in a way to get some 1 time or permamant value. Either a castle drop for pressure snd upgrade techs while castle still stands or to control some rss. The first castle will always hold more value anyway and it is an advantage if you don't need it for your unit actually.
@teddyhaines6613
@teddyhaines6613 10 ай бұрын
Thing is, plenty of players won't go for blast furnace as it is because of its cost and the fact that armor upgrades are more important for melee units. So you can't just strike the cost of blast furnace off the cost of Farimba when it's not guaranteed you'd research the former anyways in lieu of more cavalier numbers.
@ryanforgo3500
@ryanforgo3500 10 ай бұрын
@@teddyhaines6613 what you are saying makes zero sense. Blast furnace might be a lower priority over armor but it is a big priority never the less because it is a plus 2. Any experienced player will never write it off no matter the case as plus 2 is as valuable as upgrading a unit and often more. A simple and straight forward example: two-hand swordmen into Champion upgrade for costs More than double the amount for 1 damage and 10 hp. Compared to 2 damage That's aprrox the same gain from the unit upgrade for double the price. so blast furnace is not only cost efficient here, but also generic for all melee types. Literally putting any single unit upgrade to shame "cavs or inf". Like wise paladin upgrade is 5 times the price for 2 damage 40 hp and 1 pierce armor so balancing the price would put a 10 damage from blast furnace gs 2 dmg 40 hp and 1 peerce armor which puts paladin upgrade into a much lower tier compared to blast furnace which again, works for everyone not only paladins. THE ONLY exception is spearmen line " and sometimes camels" where damage is not important and unit upgrade has a huge hidden bonus like helberdiers. Besides, if you want to put farimba in context you can't say " many ppl won't go for blast furnace anyway" because, you know, rhe guy who would put farimbha in context is mass producing cavaliers and is rich enough to pick it up or is reaching a trash fight point in the game and he's got to transition. Either way it is a point of the game wherw farimba price is justified as an " upgraded version" of blast furnace.
@MultiNonymous
@MultiNonymous 10 ай бұрын
While certainly not the best, my favorite civ for cavaliers will probably always be Britons because they complement the longbows and halberdiers I use playing the Britons so well.
@denizumut1
@denizumut1 10 ай бұрын
briton cavalier is so underrated due to lacking bloodlines but situationally very useful in some matches
@teddyhaines6613
@teddyhaines6613 10 ай бұрын
I once randomed Briton pocket in a teamgame and ran circles around the enemy Sicilians pocket all game. Helped that I was a better player and was the only one in the game to never get raided, but still, you only miss bloodlines which isn't the end of the world. And you still have a strong eco with Britons.
@DaddyMouse
@DaddyMouse 10 ай бұрын
Agreed, tho my personal favorite compliment to brit ranged units are light cav. In 1v1s anyway. They deal with skirms and also act as a meat shield. The rest is managed by the archers
@API-Beast
@API-Beast 10 ай бұрын
Next up: Best Halberdier Civs
@pavise6333
@pavise6333 10 ай бұрын
My top 5 prediction (in no particular order): Burmese, Japanese, Teutons, Slavs, Dravidians
@PowermadNavigator
@PowermadNavigator 10 ай бұрын
Huh, interesting topic, didn't expect it would be worth it this much.
@obesechicken13
@obesechicken13 10 ай бұрын
I'm glad I got to try Sicilian cavalier before the nerf. Admittedly only on arena and closed maps and people spam halbs whenever they see cavalier but still got to try it.
@angusmcbean752
@angusmcbean752 10 ай бұрын
I think spirit is massively undervaluing the last armour upgrade here. Very important for raiding and verses archer. Usually knights aren't fighting other knights
@iwersonsch5131
@iwersonsch5131 10 ай бұрын
Wasn't the Malian gold bonus nerfed to 10%?
@MadnessTW
@MadnessTW 10 ай бұрын
I think so. It's also a bit strangely worded in the video, suggesting that you have longer lasting gold piles, even though they run out at the same speed as usual. You just get more gold in total, but I guess the result is the same.
@youcanthandlethetruth5433
@youcanthandlethetruth5433 10 ай бұрын
Good list
@eshanjoshi4272
@eshanjoshi4272 10 ай бұрын
This was very interesting! Top 10 Crossbowmen (AoE2) could also be interesting
@Sonlirain
@Sonlirain 10 ай бұрын
Poles are the answer to the question "What if Goths, but mounted."
@utk8718
@utk8718 10 ай бұрын
Just the extra gold that you save opens up so many options for poles
@mubashirulmoula1798
@mubashirulmoula1798 10 ай бұрын
6:03 - 6:13 = It will be 10% as the bonus is nerfed.
@ryanforgo3500
@ryanforgo3500 10 ай бұрын
Yea but ue also often makes a mistake of considering farimba as an expensive tech when it actually is a +3 attack and free blast furnace making it's cost less than half.
@teddyhaines6613
@teddyhaines6613 10 ай бұрын
@@ryanforgo3500 You don't get the extra attack for your infantry so it's not quite the same benefits as getting blast furnace.
@Lokalo1
@Lokalo1 10 ай бұрын
@@teddyhaines6613 Well yeah, but it's we are talking purely about cavaliers
@christosrepanis7715
@christosrepanis7715 8 ай бұрын
Awesome video mate what r the top 5 Paladin Civs?
@MadnessTW
@MadnessTW 10 ай бұрын
Yeah, number 1 was predictable if you've seen them in action. I'm a little disappointed this was limited to fully upgraded units. Not only were my beloved Magyars excluded this way, but the curious case of the Burgundians couldn't really be examined at all. I think the early Imp power spike is the main thing to look at for practical purposes as Cavaliers won't be used much after that in a 1v1. It makes sense to compare them before Blast Furnace, for example, and I would have liked to see how they stack up against Burgundian Paladins.
@Whitecroc
@Whitecroc Ай бұрын
Knights into Cavaliers, my favorite Sega Saturn game!
@SergioGarridoPaco
@SergioGarridoPaco 10 ай бұрын
How can franks beat romans? Franks have +4 hp while Romans can deal either 5 or 10 extra damage in a fight
@kartiksaraf4676
@kartiksaraf4676 10 ай бұрын
I was thinking the same thing. Franks start with +4 HP and each roman cavalier will do +5 at least once to eat that extra HP and 1 more. They should win this scenario unless I am missing something
@ryanforgo3500
@ryanforgo3500 10 ай бұрын
The easy one answer is, as i did not test it, it is probably overkill damage. When you add 4 health if a cavalier can survive at 1 , 2 or 3 health it's gonna sway the whole fight.
@denizumut1
@denizumut1 10 ай бұрын
in a group fight not every unit fights 1vs1, most of those charge attacks are wasted in one target, after charges are done remaining frank cavaliers still have more base hp. that makes the difference i think
@kartiksaraf4676
@kartiksaraf4676 10 ай бұрын
@@denizumut1 they can't be wasted. If they gang up on one they get a 7v8 very fast and win right away. I'm sure if Spirit runs this same analysis 100 times, romans will more more than they lose
@denizumut1
@denizumut1 10 ай бұрын
@@kartiksaraf4676 it mostly depends on how units got engaged and pathfinding, results can always change when tested in similiar enviroment but generally speaking, in a 8v8 fight, when it downs to 7v8 very fast, romans should left with 1 injured cavalry and 7 full hp (140 hp) cavalry, while remainign 7 frank cavalry still has 144 hp (so in a oversimplified math 7x4=28 hp). thats enough to make a snowball effect. Because all alive cavaliers still doing their damage, and if a cavalier stays alive with 4 hp, it still does 14 attack to its target. But as you said, vice versa can happen too (btw i oversimplified the attack point and armor interaction so pls dont correct my numbers but the idea is the same even if i put exact numbers)
@lscibor
@lscibor 10 ай бұрын
Then the Cheap Cavaliers arrived Coming down the mountainside
@RastislavUhrin
@RastislavUhrin 10 ай бұрын
good job ^^
@chronographer
@chronographer 10 ай бұрын
I always forget and then can't save up enough for those final imp upgrades so I like civs without paladin or champion, but other bonus' to make up for it. I like malians and malay a lot.
@FuelDropforthewin
@FuelDropforthewin 10 ай бұрын
I do miss Malay having infinite fish traps + 2 handed swordsmen who only cost food. Once you hit full power you were going to win eventually, it was just a matter of drowning the enemy in swordsmen.
@The-jy3yq
@The-jy3yq 10 ай бұрын
@@FuelDropforthewin Malay still have 5000 food fish farms _and_ their Swordsmen cost 5 food more while requiring 0 gold
@OldToothbrush0210
@OldToothbrush0210 10 ай бұрын
​@@FuelDropforthewinsmall ponds were a blessing for malay
@krexolsen3692
@krexolsen3692 10 ай бұрын
Prefer cavalier civ in ludocris maps where I can go spain and make a big 500 paladin army and yell RIDERS OF ROHAN CHARGE!!!!
@mortache
@mortache 10 ай бұрын
THEN THE WINGED HUSSARS ARRIVE
@MarcioLiao
@MarcioLiao 10 ай бұрын
I like Cavalier model more than Paladin's
@aliefdimas2441
@aliefdimas2441 10 ай бұрын
I bet polish cav is number 1
@matthewblainey4254
@matthewblainey4254 10 ай бұрын
Jadwiga approves this message
@eylamma3642
@eylamma3642 10 ай бұрын
There is an exchange shotel, which just wanted to see some of those famous malian castles and got in a SOTL vid :D
@blackdragons95
@blackdragons95 10 ай бұрын
Nice!
@quickheavenseta
@quickheavenseta 10 ай бұрын
Riders of Rohan!!! - Me when attacking with cavaliers 😅
@greekwarrior5373
@greekwarrior5373 10 ай бұрын
You've made the right decision to include ALL civs even with the paladin upgrade ones in the video. That way we can make the best decision which civ has the best cavaliers. Even if there are civs with paladins, that doesn't change the fact that they still got cavaliers to test!
@loganwolfram4216
@loganwolfram4216 10 ай бұрын
Only in AoE II would a unit attack 5.6% faster than a unit of the same type, in the same upgrade line
@Chris-jl6vp
@Chris-jl6vp 10 ай бұрын
The humble buckethead knight does their best.
@inductivegrunt94
@inductivegrunt94 10 ай бұрын
I honestly really like the Cavalier. In light of the lack of Paladin for many civs, the Cavalier is a really good unit. And Lithuanian and Polish Cavaliers are my favorite thanks to that relic bonus and cheaper gold cost respectively. Though even generic Cavaliers are something I enjoy and have a good amount of them regardless of my civ, except for those that lack even that upgrade to the Knight line.
@brydenholley1904
@brydenholley1904 10 ай бұрын
Persians should be included. The Kamandaran tech allows you to make crossbows without any gold cost. This translates into a very strong Persian cavalry force due to having the ability to make Cavaliers in greater numbers plus supported by a 'free' unit that counters pikemen. Persian army is almost unbeatable given equal resources, imo, due to the Kamandaran tech.
@dembro27
@dembro27 10 ай бұрын
Imagine a Top 10 SotL videos video! (There are currently 577 entries in that list).
@Markus-wr3ur
@Markus-wr3ur 10 ай бұрын
maybe i missed it, but is not also important how much longer it takes more Cav. it counts the ressources you need, but not the longer time
@henriquematias1986
@henriquematias1986 10 ай бұрын
Oh wow mind bending ending
@MadnessTW
@MadnessTW 10 ай бұрын
I'm puzzled by the result of the Poles vs Franks fight, btw. I ran a test of Poles vs Teutons (Post Imp) where the Poles barely won 5/6 times (the loss was due to bad pathing). I've now tried the same with Franks (12 vs 8) and the Poles won more clearly - like they should have. What was different in your test that made it undersell the Poles?
@valger3652
@valger3652 10 ай бұрын
Teuton pala if to compare with franks - survives 2 more hits and have to win with same res vs poles cav. But in real game hard to compete with poles with any pala civ- in timing/ numbers/reinforce ability.
@geoffrey1955
@geoffrey1955 10 ай бұрын
Waiting for that video on how good is the Vietnamese new eco bonus ;)
@Weiss_Chan
@Weiss_Chan 10 ай бұрын
I was thinking if Poles didn’t make the list at least give them a honorable mention.
@elliejohnson2786
@elliejohnson2786 10 ай бұрын
Still personally a big fan of aztec cavaliers.
@dennisjonker4804
@dennisjonker4804 10 ай бұрын
I still think Berbers > Poles. Their discount is 15/20% for free, and Plate Barding is important. Even then, Their Camels can trash any Poles Cavalry. (And they lack Halbs.) But I guess SOTL has a point. And my argument is not about the unit itself alone as he described in this video, but observing the total Tech Tree/Bonuses/UT's as a whole.
@teddyhaines6613
@teddyhaines6613 10 ай бұрын
The Szlachta Privileges savings are 45 gold vs the Berbers' saving 12 food and 15 gold, though. Gold being the more important resource since it runs out in late game. And Poles have a far better economy as well. Certainly their heavy camels would beat the Poles' cavalier, but they're a counter unit so that's to be expected.
@dennisjonker4804
@dennisjonker4804 10 ай бұрын
@@teddyhaines6613 Yep. Fair enough. I got grabbed there by my bias. I just deem Plate Barding imperative. But that's just an opinion.
@teddyhaines6613
@teddyhaines6613 10 ай бұрын
@@dennisjonker4804 I think everyone thought that when they first saw Poles. Hera was inconsolable and immediately declared the civ trash when he looked at the tech tree for the first time. It took us a while to realize just how stupid the Szlachta savings are in practice. When you can mass more cavaliers than the enemy has arbalests, the arbs will vanish as soon as they're not in a chokepoint or under a castle.
@PI110lindnet
@PI110lindnet 10 ай бұрын
Shotel Warrior in front of a malian castle? I think this shoulkd be a Gebeto. Good video anyway ;)
@Peetovw
@Peetovw 5 ай бұрын
I love the Silicians Cavaliers, very strong and flexible.
@skinnywhitemanx9842
@skinnywhitemanx9842 10 ай бұрын
I miss your intro. Otherwise great video and highly informative.
@SneedusFeedus
@SneedusFeedus 8 ай бұрын
4:01 what mod is that? I can’t find a mod that makes gray black. That looks so sick
@alex_zetsu
@alex_zetsu 10 ай бұрын
I have to agree with you that the Franks, while good, aren't top of this. Malians giving extra attack, Sicilians with their resistance to halberdiers and archers, and Poles for the ability to go against Frank Paladins with equal numbers and still come out ahead in terms of gold lost (not even the Berbers can do this). Franks cavaliers just aren't quite as useful. Franks however have their HP bonus based on a percentage, so once you get those super Paladins, you're in for a good time.
@matyasgajda2767
@matyasgajda2767 10 ай бұрын
Yes!!
@oscars7948
@oscars7948 10 ай бұрын
Spirit plz analyze anti bonus.. bonuses!! Gbows, Camel Archers, etc. you are awesome!
@dustyacer
@dustyacer 10 ай бұрын
damn realized how much i love cavaliers since I play bulgarians, berbers, poles, burgundians and a bit of malians and burmese.
@torri776
@torri776 9 ай бұрын
Fun fact: The generic Cavalry unit in Fire Emblem is the Cavalier and not the Knight. In Fire Emblem, the latter is designated to Hoplite-like melee foot soldiers. For reference, the Hoplite is a slow, albeit heavily armored unit from AOE1 which is analogous to the Teutonic Knight in its masterful sequel. Promoting Cavaliers into Paladins is a shared aspect across both series, with a hefty food/gold cost in AOE2 and a Knight Crest coupled with a level 10 minimum threshold in Fire Emblem. ... Sorry, my love for both Age of Empires and Fire Emblem is nigh unwavering.
@andresespinosa152
@andresespinosa152 10 ай бұрын
Hey dude, please make a video for the best kipchak please 🙏
@Lonezewolflonewolf
@Lonezewolflonewolf 10 ай бұрын
I do despise the new pathfinding mechanic. In HD your units would break up and attack whatever is in front of them. However, in AOE DF they follow that same unit, not breaking up, not fighting the others, and in essence, dying quicker.
@isculptmemes
@isculptmemes 10 ай бұрын
As always i pray everyday that i will wake up one day and poles will be out of the game
@RaynmanPlays
@RaynmanPlays 10 ай бұрын
I've been watching far too many Fire Emblem videos. I was so confused by the title.
@rootslav120
@rootslav120 10 ай бұрын
Splash damage and bonus against archers on Winged Hussars is also kinnda a big deal.
@jamesinciardi5099
@jamesinciardi5099 10 ай бұрын
This video is not complete without some footage of SOTL doing some “Pole” dancing!
@gabrielclamens3151
@gabrielclamens3151 10 ай бұрын
Hey, does it mean we're getting other tops for Crossbows, or two handed swordsmen ?
@simbelmyne1476
@simbelmyne1476 10 ай бұрын
Something very wrong -- or very funky -- must have happened in the Romans vs. Franks test: -- Franks have only +4 hp / cavalier -- Romans have a one-time +5 attack / cavalier (assuming none of the charge attacks were used 2x) This means that after the first attack of every cavalier in the battle, the romans had +1 hp on each of their cavalier compared to the franks (assuming it was spread evenly across all cavalier). Surely unlikely to sway the fight in favor of the romans, but to make the romans LOSE -- that would be very, very strange. It is probably statistical noise if only one fight was simulated, but on the other hand, there were three frank cavalier left, implying a substantial advantage?
@valger3652
@valger3652 10 ай бұрын
In small groups franks have advantage. When 2 romans cav charges on 1 frank, this "wasted" charge make difference.
@spyrofrost9158
@spyrofrost9158 10 ай бұрын
Well my personal favorite Cavalier is the Gendarme, you see it gets bonus feats in place of-... Wait, this isn't Pathfinder!
@HomoSapiensMember
@HomoSapiensMember 10 ай бұрын
what if you normalize based on pop-cap irrespective of lanchester & resource then best equipped would succeed; which civ would that be?
@michaelqiu9722
@michaelqiu9722 10 ай бұрын
Frank cavalier vs Roman ones should be about even since Frank cavaliers only have 4 more ho than generic one with bloodline, and the Roman UT gives 5 attack in the charge. The testing result must have been from randomness.
@PaulSchlock
@PaulSchlock 10 ай бұрын
Guess Poles #1?
@Doddleran
@Doddleran 10 ай бұрын
Hey spirit of the law, guys here.
@Davtwan
@Davtwan 10 ай бұрын
Gold is such a big deal that they needed that archer weakness lol.
@unusual9026
@unusual9026 10 ай бұрын
10 minutes this video has been up… views are over 1000!
@angelo70
@angelo70 10 ай бұрын
One of the great curses of the Portuguese nation is the fact that we have always had good horses, but mediocre men.
@dailysmoker4339
@dailysmoker4339 10 ай бұрын
How many do i need to have on wood without any bonuses, to hold 5 farms?
@ponchopalmera4917
@ponchopalmera4917 10 ай бұрын
Am I the only one thinking Romans are not a little bit but homunculusly overpowered??
@felixalexisortizlagos6904
@felixalexisortizlagos6904 10 ай бұрын
I think at least them could be another one "no archer upgrade civ" like spanish and bulgarians... ...and i think it has 0 sense western romans with OP cavalry
@mikelivingood7797
@mikelivingood7797 10 ай бұрын
They will receive a nerf soon, new civs always seem to be OP and then get nerfed
@eijimuzaffar6452
@eijimuzaffar6452 10 ай бұрын
yeah they should nerf the cav line for the romans, no bloodlines, and reduce the attack for the centurions(esp in castle age, make them into a proper "support" unit instead of a tank). but leave the infantry and the siege bonus as is since those are their supposed strength/quirk. while its a common knowledge that late romans also deploy heavy cavalry in the forms of clibinarii and cataphracts(adopted from the parthians and later sassanids), the bulk of their army was the infantry, and for many centuries romans are known for their heavy infantries rather than their cavalries
@Dr.Happy11
@Dr.Happy11 10 ай бұрын
not sure about homuncusly, but Romans are most certainly humongously overpowered
@welshlout3400
@welshlout3400 10 ай бұрын
Homunculusly overpowered surely means just a little bit overpowered though? A homunculus is a defined as a miniature humanoid… Oh right I’m pretty sure you meant humongous lmao
@ferrisffalcis
@ferrisffalcis 10 ай бұрын
poles are so good at their one thing tbh
@LokirofRoriksted
@LokirofRoriksted 10 ай бұрын
Malians got nerfed from 15% to 10% extra gold, but I agree with this list in its entirety
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