Split Vision Shooting Explained! Traditional Archery’s Secret Formula!

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Instinctive Addiction Archery With Jeff Phillips

Instinctive Addiction Archery With Jeff Phillips

Жыл бұрын

Join me today for an in-depth look into one of traditional archery’s best kept secrets for long distance accuracy with instinctive shooting! We’ll go over just exactly what is “split vision” shooting with recurves and longbows!

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@kendallinman606
@kendallinman606 Жыл бұрын
I am left eye dominant but shoot trad bows right handed, I have struggled for years, I heard you mention this split vision once before, so I looked into it and began to understand it and learned to use it in my shot process and I’m shooing my bows better than I ever had. I use to go into hunting season with this struggle still in my head, and always in my mind thought well I still have my compound bows to use, I don’t think like that any more, in fact I wouldn’t even feel right going into the woods without my longbow or recurve. Thank you for sharing this, I’ll bet you there are many hunters that need to understand split vision, and I sure hope they find this video. Again thank you and God bless you.
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much and you’re right!
@beardedarchery3576
@beardedarchery3576 Жыл бұрын
I'm also left eye dominant due to an eye injury and shoot right handed and use this split vision method.
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 Жыл бұрын
That’s awesome! So glad it’s working for you and thanks so much for watching!
@vesasavolainen5605
@vesasavolainen5605 Жыл бұрын
You are very good teacher, Thanks!
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 Жыл бұрын
Thank you sir!
@drftsnvk
@drftsnvk Жыл бұрын
This is how I've always done it - long before I knew the terminology.
@timgruver5932
@timgruver5932 Жыл бұрын
Cool video. I’ve been a trad shooter since 1963 and still love the feel of my long bows and wood shafts. Built many a self bow and laminated ones. Also use compounds a lot too. I am a truly instinctive shooter. Like throwing a baseball at home plate , I just focus on the spot and draw and shoot. Cool video here.👍👍
@ironmikehallowween
@ironmikehallowween Жыл бұрын
This is all very true. Especially concerning the anchor. Thanks for the video.
@paulharding1621
@paulharding1621 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for another informative video.
@terrymattson3587
@terrymattson3587 Жыл бұрын
I shoot 3 under and split vision with a higher anchor with my recurve and a holding shot. With my long bow I shoot instinctive and split fingers and snap shooting. I love both style. I might be using some spit vision when shooting long bow but am focused on the spot more then anything. Great video, thank you.
@donniehopkins8439
@donniehopkins8439 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for making sense to me about trying to holding. Like you I attempted holding longer, I started spraying arrows. Your mechanics and brain knows when to pull the trigger don't confuse the built in mechanism. Love your videos!
@cowboy1165
@cowboy1165 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the insights, Jeff, always practicing when I get the chance. God bless.
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 Жыл бұрын
Thanks and keep on having fun that’s most important!
@25roychan
@25roychan Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your detailed sharing, it is very helpful to me, and I also support your statement. I will continue to practice.
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 Жыл бұрын
Many thanks to you for watching!
@ThirdLawPair
@ThirdLawPair 2 ай бұрын
Even what people call "full instinctive" still involves seeing the position of the arrow in your peripheral vision. You may not pay attention to it, but your brain is absolutely using those visual cues to find the trajectory of the shot.
@dmouse522
@dmouse522 Жыл бұрын
My bow is tillered even but even then I found a piece of Velcro to make it a bit negative solved my issues shooting 3 under. You could help many folks by discussing shelf and side plate amendments in the future. Good info!
@NeffTattoo
@NeffTattoo 8 ай бұрын
That was very helpful!
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 8 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@jerrybarker9789
@jerrybarker9789 Жыл бұрын
Another good video.
@the-21st-legion81
@the-21st-legion81 7 ай бұрын
Those wooden arrows make a beautiful sound when hitting the target.
@shankspony9369
@shankspony9369 Жыл бұрын
Always been a rifle hunter, but my 1st trad bow was a Bear Grizzly in 1983 (19yo). I knew nothing about 'correct practice', and no one in my town of 2000 people were archers. Never used a bow stringer... never told i needed to. Wasnt taught anything. Despite a lot of 'practice' for a year or two, I never got much good with it. 30 years later and with the Grizzly discarded with limb twist, .... I bought a Hoyt compound. Used sights and peep, and with the internet read up a lot on 'correct practice'. 10 years later bought another trad bow. A cheap Black hunter. Now a lot more educated and aware of this and that, i fnd i can shoot that #40 BH longbow pretty well. Still, i didnt know what 'split vision' was till this video. But it does explain exactly how i shoot, albeit accidentally. I find i can shoot pretty well now almost subconsciously using the tip of the arrow to get my lateral sighting correct. At longer ranges still have some issue with trajectory (vertical), but that will come from experience. But yes, now having 'split vision' explained to me, i wish i would have known about this 40 years ago...
@matthewyu3531
@matthewyu3531 Жыл бұрын
Hi Jeff, I am still waiting for your fast shooting video. Your videos always help.
@scottsanders9090
@scottsanders9090 Жыл бұрын
My version of split vision is significantly different. -All of my bows have a point on of 25 yards - Draw -anchor - set back tension - focus only on the spot, - quick acknowledgement of horizontal alignment while maintaining focus on spot - position arrow per distance per corresponding assigned window while maintaining focus on spot - 15 yards and in -note: the half inch window between focused on spot and the shaft silhouette is not precise however the peripheral window that I have assigned to this distance is a constant. - 20 yards - 1/4:” window I never know where the arrow is actually vertically pointed nor do I see what is between the focal point the arrow silhouette. -Lock in and pull thru release while totally focused on the intended mark ***Larry Yien uses this aiming method which he taught me 15 years ago.. Quick, accurate and minimal stress.
@knifesharpeningnorway
@knifesharpeningnorway Жыл бұрын
Good video mate
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 Жыл бұрын
Thanks mate!
@musician1000
@musician1000 3 ай бұрын
'Instinctive', implies that this is innate, but being able to look, release, and hit the mark, is an learned skill, acquired by years of practice. It's a catchy enough name though.
@mikekupetsky6879
@mikekupetsky6879 3 ай бұрын
Guys get hung up on the name instinctive. Would I personally am referring to when I say I shoot instinctive means I am not using a set aiming method I am not making any calculations over or under the target I am simply looking at the Target and shooting Call It Whatever You Like
@prokid3348
@prokid3348 7 ай бұрын
One more thing, keep both eyes open, "fix your eyes to the target", release..
@duffy1298
@duffy1298 Жыл бұрын
K shoot split vision. Works pretty good for ne
@joshcarney9067
@joshcarney9067 Жыл бұрын
Your video instruction is absolutely fantastic awsome
@vitaliyselnitsyn6036
@vitaliyselnitsyn6036 9 ай бұрын
Hi, Jeff! Many thanx for this video. It really does explain the tricks with split vision and peripheral picture in our aiming techniques. Using arrow point and bow string for orientation and alignment those work fine for me! I shoot Asiatic recurve bow (Grozer biocomposite recurve 55#) using wood or bamboo arrows and Mediterranean (over and under) releasing technique. I just wonder whether split vision would would also work for thumbring release practice where I would put my arrow to the right of the bow handle(?)
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 9 ай бұрын
Hmm, not sure I’ve never tried it but it’s possible.
@mikekupetsky6879
@mikekupetsky6879 3 ай бұрын
Lately I'm trying to actually pay attention to where my arrow is pointing and for my setup I guess when my arrow is pointing directly at that dot that's when I hit it
@tonyjetton8352
@tonyjetton8352 Жыл бұрын
Good video Jeff. The ASTB crew was happy to see you guys at the shoot in Brierfield. We shoot again (same place) April 15th and 16th in support if the Chidren's Hospital of Alabama. Hope to see you there.
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 Жыл бұрын
Awesome thanks so much! We really enjoyed the shoot and would love to come back down 👍🏻
@tonyjetton8352
@tonyjetton8352 Жыл бұрын
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 Next shoot is April 15th and 16th. We would be glad to have you. We always have a big time.
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 Жыл бұрын
@@tonyjetton8352 sounds great my friend!
@bradlauber9097
@bradlauber9097 Жыл бұрын
I believe instinctive and split vision goes hand and hand,some shooters don't realise there doing it. I shoot 3 under also my nock hight is different from one bow to the next bow. All my bows are point on 25 yards. My nock point varies from 3/8 ths to 5/8th depending on poundage arrow weight and bow I use.. 30 yards I hit 4 inches low ,25 yards point on and 20 yards 4 inches high so there is a gap method as well!!!!!
@Hunting4Hookers
@Hunting4Hookers Жыл бұрын
Good stuff! What would you suggest for someone who wants a quality bow that he can hunt with , arrows etc . And do you have a course for beginners? I’ve shot compound for years but don’t know where to start on instinctive which is where I want to go with a recurve. Thanks!
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely the best bow for the money is a Toparchery 60” recurve on Amazon, it is a phenomenal performer with beauty as well, all you’ll need is a TTT string for it they’re only $114👍🏻
@Tradman47
@Tradman47 Ай бұрын
Is it a good idea if your not sure what method you might like best to get bow set up for split finger ??I believe you are able to shoot both ways if your bow is set up for split?
@lesliegurley1057
@lesliegurley1057 9 ай бұрын
So basically split vision is just naming what gardens instinctively for all instinctive shooters, except the ones who shoot from other areas like from the hip or from the chest (where the tip of the arrow is nowhere near the line of sight). We all know instinctively where our arrow is pointing without having to concentrate on the point. Of course all forms of aiming are essentially concentrating on where the arrow is pointing, the alternative being just pulling the string back whichever direction it sends the arrow.
@lesliegurley1057
@lesliegurley1057 9 ай бұрын
That should say happens instead of gardens. Autocorrect hates me
@jakejorgensen376
@jakejorgensen376 Жыл бұрын
Jeff- First off your’e incredible. Thanks for the inspiration. I’m a little stuck. I’m very inconsistent. 1- I don’t know where to choose as my anchor. I was doing the corner of my mouth then went a few inches back to the inside of my jaw to try to create more back tension. Do I just choose and not change no matter what? 2- I tend to move my head forward so even if my anchor is the same it can be different. 3- my ultimate goal is to hunt- im out west so shots aren’t in a tree stand and further. Do I still go a 500 grain arrow? The seem to drop but I could also not be used to them as I’ve never played with weighted arrows before.
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 Жыл бұрын
Okay first of all you need to find an anchor that feels most natural to you and generally will allow your arrows to impact where you’re looking at like 15 yards and stick with it, arrow weight greatly depends on exactly how much weight you’re really drawing and you’re gonna need a hand held digital scale like from Amazon and first draw like you’re shooting getting someone to mark the arrow right at the front of the riser then draw to that mark with the scale, you want to target around 10-12 grains per pound of pull for a good hunting arrow no matter what it totals up as long as it’s past around 420 grains which with a sharp two blade will be plenty!
@jakejorgensen376
@jakejorgensen376 Жыл бұрын
Sounds good! I ll work on that this week to get something locked in for an anchor. - Is there other cues with elbows, back etc that help get the right form/back tension? I think I’m confused on what that means. If I squeazed the middle of my back as if I trying to hold a pencil I’d have like a 37 inch draw and be behind my ear. Is it more in my trap and rear delt? Sorry does that make sense?
@ryanlindsay9576
@ryanlindsay9576 Ай бұрын
I'm blind in my right eye so I had to switch to lefty jeff any tips on a good aiming method I'd like to learn instinctive thankyou very much
@bradlauber9097
@bradlauber9097 Жыл бұрын
Still like to see you shoot a black hunter longbow and elevate a rest 1/4 of an inch off the shelf to get a true center shot bow !!!!!!
@Hunting4Hookers
@Hunting4Hookers Жыл бұрын
I gotta get me a good traditional bow and set up! Gotta learn how to shoot it too!🙄 Do you have a class or video series that starts at step one and goes through to a competent, good hunting setup?
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 Жыл бұрын
I’ve actually got some coming out very soon for new shooters as well as entry level bow and arrow setup!
@Hunting4Hookers
@Hunting4Hookers Жыл бұрын
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 That is absolutely awesome! I’ll be the first to sign up! I bought a PSE recurve and a dozen arrows a couple of years ago and tried to figure it out. I have arrows stuck in my barn and 20 feet up an oak tree! I want to learn instinctive and get good enough to hunt with confidence!
@matthewyu3531
@matthewyu3531 Жыл бұрын
Hi Jeff, thank you very much for your video. The split vision is the best to me now, the pure instinctive is the next step, that will take at least a few years. Today, I was surprised when I saw a bowmaker said that the hand on the handle is not in the center of the bow, but the arrow rest is in the center of the bow. Is this really true?
@timhatfield6367
@timhatfield6367 Жыл бұрын
Self bows I have made are center of grip,center of bow. My shelves are 1 1/2" above center of bow. They shoot straight and hard. Arrow spine and correct nocking point rule bout any bow. I know there are alot of options out there as well as opinions.
@matthewyu3531
@matthewyu3531 Жыл бұрын
@@timhatfield6367 Thank you very much!
@SunnyKim_
@SunnyKim_ Жыл бұрын
I don't hold very long either. The longer I hold the more I overthink the shot and lose focus.
@coreylassiter1098
@coreylassiter1098 Жыл бұрын
Jeff I love to shoot I mean it’s all I think about but I’ve shot so much it gave me tennis elbow lol had to get an injection in my left elbow, with that being said have you ever shot so much it hurt you in some way? Now I only shoot a few arrows a day maybe a dozen or so 😢 but hopefully it will heal up cause I want to be ready for September
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 Жыл бұрын
Yes I have lol
@Why_Not84
@Why_Not84 Жыл бұрын
I keep better groups when I hold my bow hand higher up and dont lean the bow allot. Is that a bad habbit or just another form? I am right handed so i lift my left hand almost eye level. I also draw three bow like a compound and drop it down into my target until i release. I just started shooting and bought a hoyt tiburon 35lb.
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 Жыл бұрын
I usually line up with my bow arm slightly above where I’ll settle but also keep in mind that the least amount of movement possible is key for killing deer at close range lol
@a-macthegeneral4705
@a-macthegeneral4705 4 ай бұрын
Can you use this method while shooting split finger draw?
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 4 ай бұрын
Honestly I can’t, it’s totally different but with that said I know guys that do use split vision shooting split finger with a higher anchor than I use so it certainly can be done successfully just more difficult for me lol
@maxmorris7025
@maxmorris7025 Жыл бұрын
I'm mixed dominance. Can't use iron sights with both eyes open. But I can shoot my bow easy since instinctive you can use both sides. I can't find this guy's company where do I send him my money? Lol
@williamnowaski3723
@williamnowaski3723 Жыл бұрын
how much helical is to much or not enough ?
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 Жыл бұрын
All of mine are around 5 degrees
@mikehale514
@mikehale514 Жыл бұрын
How do you shoot from treestand then?
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 Жыл бұрын
Honestly I just pick a spot draw and shoot it, I can’t ever remember referencing the arrow anytime from a stand but most of my shots are less than 25 yards.
@mikehale514
@mikehale514 Жыл бұрын
Ok
@mikehale514
@mikehale514 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for answering
@markinaction1
@markinaction1 Жыл бұрын
This is how I shoot. 3 under. I use my hand as a guide through instead of the arrow.
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 Жыл бұрын
Cool!
@Rachturne
@Rachturne Жыл бұрын
Slightly louder, energy loss is literally 4-6fps
@JOHNSMITH-zg6jy
@JOHNSMITH-zg6jy Жыл бұрын
Jeff, I think your videos are great but I don’t believe there is such a thing as instinctive shooting. If you doubt this, put anyone or yourself in a completely dark room and shoot at a tiny dot of light (such as a candle) at 15 yards (a chip shot for most experienced archers) and see where you hit. If you cannot see your arrow I promise you , you will miss your target.
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 Жыл бұрын
Lol thank you but we did that exact thing a few years back and yes I was able to hit the tiny little light even used a laser in complete black darkness with no visibility of anything especially the arrow or bow hand but it was only to prove it and several people have done it however out in daylight yes I do shoot split vision at distance and yes we do see the arrow subconsciously no matter what when it’s visible but I do shoot at night a lot without anything lit but the target just to practice pure instinctive shooting and this debate has been going on forever lol
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 Жыл бұрын
One of the first videos we did was frog hunting at night and we shot some tiny ones from like 10-15 yards in the woods around ponds couldn’t possibly see the arrow to aim with it just looked at it and shot it which is why I call it instinctive and maybe there’s no such thing I just kinda refer to throwing a rock at something and hitting it to be the same.
@clifftaylor4712
@clifftaylor4712 4 ай бұрын
I agree 100%. We all see and use the arrow whether we use it to aim with directly or indirectly from our peripheral vision. ( gap vs. split vision) I shot 25 yrs. with split finger and thought I was instinctive but I'm sure I used the arrow from seeing it in my peripheral vision.I switched to 3-under and became a much better shot. I attribute it to just getting the arrow closer to my eye. Just compare it to someone shooting a pistol from the hip and someone shooting with their arm straight out pointing directly at the target.
@joshcarney9067
@joshcarney9067 Жыл бұрын
Really it is just shooting shooting shooting shooting....the biggest lesson guys need to learn here is if they shoot half as much as you do they will be half as good.....and by the looks of it that would be pretty good........shoot. shoot more....then shoot again. The biggest reason i shoot longer distances is it makes My 12 yard shot on a buck rediculous easy
@prokid3348
@prokid3348 7 ай бұрын
Get a horse bow, train thumb-draw, and forget all about this nonsense..
@joshcarney9067
@joshcarney9067 Жыл бұрын
I only got rid of target panic after missing so many deer I no longer cared....lol there's a bit of truth to this. Of course now at 50 I don't get excited like I did at 17 however target panic is something you have to overcome and a lot of it is simply experience and maturity. I shot my first deer with a bow out of a baker treestand with a lap belt at 13 years old...shook like a leaf in a hurricane. Two things overcome this. Practice a lot and you will do it....muscle memory...I've shot deer that have ran up without even thinking about it and after was like crap I just shot a deer. I just did it. Practice and practice more.....then practice more.
@joshcarney9067
@joshcarney9067 Жыл бұрын
Totally instinctive is shooting at a candle in the dark. Trust me I do it. Every traditional archery shooter shoots split vision. 70 percent if your good is focusing on target and30 percent is your peripheral looking at angle of arrow
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 Жыл бұрын
Exactly
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