But now maybe the kid is gonna go to a better place, maybe

That kid is worse than my brother! Who would let an ex-mother in law do this? How about the ex mother in law have that child to see how she likes it?!

Like my step kids. Their mother thinks she's hurting us but she is damaging the children. We have a 10 year old that, last year at 9 couldn't read. I bought two copies of a book to read with her to help her and the mother flipped out and said she didn't have to listen to me, that she doesn't need to learn how to read. She isn't hurting me, but her daughter is an illiterate 10 year old

If I did anything like this I would get slapped back to the roman empire lol

​​@@janedavenport5989how about getting the police or child protective services involved? Yes, they might be taken away, but you'd be doing them a favor, because this way it's at least guaranteed they will be prepared to be able to live independently. As insane as that sounds, I think that's a bit more important then a happy childhood, because if they loose their "anchor" to finance them, they won't be able tu survive on their own. My suggestion, get CPS involved. Worst case, they might not have a happy childhood, but at least will gain the ability to build themselves a happy future. That's at least what i would've done. If it forces them to get an education, this might be best for them.

Extremes are bad. Balanced Is the way

In a way, it is a form of neglect.

@@jemeson5332 I agree. It’s a form of neglecting his future emotional and mental state. It’s making them believe that they can have whatever they want just by the snap of their fingers. It’s sad to think that if the OP had kept her son’s custody, that they older son would’ve turned into a decent human being like her 10 year old. But this ex monster in law RUINED this boy. I feel sorry for the OP

And why 'Grandparents Rights' are fucked up. Grandparents should've no right when it comes to their grandchildren.

Grandparents rights work when the child is being neglected or abused by the parent/parents, but for actual functioning parents it’s ridiculous

Mmm, true. No doubt spoiled from a toddler. story 2, We have a lot of demon witches, and story 3: dude why are you making so hard for people to work peacefully?? They are doing their jobs and know what to do, so adjust the attitude and make it work for them and you or else.

If you ask me the police, courts, and judges are just as guilty. He was essentially kidnapped and they did nothing until it was too late. The police should have arrested her and returned her child, I could care less if the state has grandparents rights what she did was still kidnapping.

There's clearly more to the story as taking a kidnapped child over state lines is a federal crime where a state judge has no jurisdiction. I absolutely would have appealed the judge's decision to give joint custody to this psychotic old bitch. After the last incident, I would have requested that the judge order a Mental Health Exam (as well as sending him to a Group Home) to see if there's anything more which could be done, as well as illustrating just how profoundly that the pathologically narcissistic mother-in-law has damaged him.

I'm the eldest son in story 1 and the ex mother in law is my mother. my parents recently split and my dad is thinking of filiong for divorce. I hope he gets full custody as he seems to be the only person who can fix me. I very sadistic and I love to watch the world burn. please don't hate me for that as I feel very insecure about who I am. I almost want to cut all contact with scociety all together because I feel as though I don't belong. how can I fix that

@@ArcTrooper-Fives therapy does wonders. If you talk to someone about it and listen to them then you can better yourself for the future to become more ready.

True true

To be fair if it wasn’t for the the bitch grandmother, he may have became a great man

Maybe, or maybe he's become so used to being around his abusive older brother that he knows trying to do anything will only set the entitled bastard off again (& will certainly result in reprisals later on). God knows what this kid has endured over the years...

@@_ninthRing_don’t go hating on the abusive brother, it’s not his fault that he’s the way he is. go hate on the ex-mil, it’s literally her fault. edit: forgot a period

@@_ninthRing_ I thought that the younger brother was with op while the older brother was with someone else in a different state

fingers crossed

Story One: Reason Why All Of this Happen is Because The Ex - Mother In Law Is An Entitled Woman. Who Passed That Entitlement Down To The Older Son. Who Was Very Much Displaying It. By. Every Is Given To Me At The Drop Of A Coin, You Do What I Say When I Say It. Or He Throws A Fit That He Can’t Have It His Way, and He Takes it. A Lil Too Far

I just hope his future isn't ruined by going to jail. Clearly he is not in the right state, nobody is normally that aggressive. It happens due to neglect and he had to go through a divorce of his parents so that f'ed him up. I have seen many of my friends becoming angry and irritable after divorce. Especially meeting your mom's new kid who had a loving father and a mom from the start made him even more angry I believe. The grandmother did this to him and the father neglected him

Agree...at minimum I expect he'll be in and out of jail as an adult.

@@bobbiec2829 military school is perfect for him just saying

yeah, that's why spoiling children does them a disservice. Unless you're super rich and can isolate your little monsters from birth to death, their actions will have consequences.

I had 3 kids, fortunately mine were pretty well behaved. Because I was beat as kid, I really didn't want to do that to my kids, but I knew that a physical threat had to be there. That's why I subscribed to the 3 Swat Rule! Three seats with the hand, no more. During their entire childhood I only had to use it twice on each of my kids. The oldest girl got an extra one from mother. I was lucky. I think 6 swats for each child was pretty good. I used to get twice that with a belt. That's why I dislike corporal punishment, but the threat has to be there. Oldest girl is a teacher, middle girl is a pharmacist, son makes high quality kitchen cabinets. Good kids.

Hopefully before he do what that kid in Milwaukee did.

Oh god-

Except that he did not get arrested.

@@johnclaybaugh9536 what did you say

@@kieraleah6768 can you not read? The simplest typo shouldn't cause issues. Unless your 6.

@@johnclaybaugh9536 bro, that doesn’t automatically mean they don’t grammatically understand, they could be asking what you are talking about or something. Also 6 yro aren’t dumb, only like a 4 or less lol.

The fuckwit is a child, just in an adult body

@@brendanboomhour7606 sure is!

Put him in the military school and dont let him out until he is an obedient dog

Maybe the mother should take a little more accountability and responsibility and build the foundation with her son that she should have instead of pawning him off on the system now and completely giving up on him. I've taken in tons of kids that were incredibly troubled and the one thing I found behind every single one of that bit of anger was hurt and pain. The few words that we heard this kid actually say through the story had everything to do with WHY he was acting that way and maybe as a mother she should have figured that out FIRST. You have to have boundaries, but I see far too many parents do this kind of crap and then they wonder why their kids are a mess. Take responsibility, take accountability and look in the mirror FIRST as the parent. That's my advice and then you'll probably see why your kids acting like a giant f****** lunatic. Every once while there are just bad kids, but I don't think anybody who heard the story thinks that this kid started out that way. She allowed her absence to be that long, a large part of that is on HER. Nobody told her to go out and start a new family and ignore the other kid and let the grandmother take the other kid. She did that. It's technically kidnapping and as a parent you have more rights than the grandparents even in states that have grandparent rights. She let this woman take her kid is what it amounted to for the most part and then she took the easy way out because she was busy living her life and now this kid doesn't fit so easily into her life so it's a problem. Reap what you sew lady, had you put some effort into this kid along the way maybe he wouldn't be like this now and maybe that's exactly what she should be doing at this point. Put some effort into the kid that she had basically let somebody else take and then blamed him for what happened during his abduction is what it really amounts to. Would you do that to any other child that had actually technically been abducted? NO, you would get them counseling, you would get them therapy, you would go through a whole process of reunification with the primary parent, it would take time, it would take effort because the child is damaged. There's pain that has to be addressed. You can't move forward unless you do those things and to think that you can is ignorance and she'll never end up having a relationship with this kid. She will have failed him miserably as his mother and he will grow up exactly the same way he is now, but with more resentment and further trauma and further pain due to this experience that he will likely then inflict on everybody else that comes in his path because hurt people hurt people. This has everything to do with HER, and her lack of accountability I find absolutely disturbing.

@@ttaylor8239 The thing is, MIL and the mother have shared custody, and since the kid is living in a different state and has school, she can only see him 2 days a week. The mother *tried* to take full custody but it didn't work. And while yes, the mother didn't say anything about trying to help the child, that doesn't mean that she didn't try at all. so really, the MIL is the jerk, but if you stretch it, the mother is also kind of bad. But I am not that old soo...

I find it really interesting that almost nobody in this thread has put any accountability on the mother. I've taken in tons of kids that aren't mine and came from horrible open CPS cases who have been through way more trauma probably than this child, and behind every bit of anger and frustration is PAIN. And she has everything to do with that. She basically if we go by her words that somebody else abducted her child and then she wants to blame the child for what happened in HER absence. I didn't hear anything about counseling, I didn't hear anything about a plan, I didn't hear anything about rebuilding the foundation that needed to be rebuilt. I agree with your comment and I would say in addition to it, the only thing that stands between the monsters and our children is US. I think a huge amount of this relies squarely on the mother's shoulders and the fact that she would then publicly try to shame her son for the situation that she was so intrinsically involved in creating. I find absolutely insane, and a disgrace to her as a mother.

@@ttaylor8239 You can't put it all on the mother, she didn't dream him all on her own. It takes two equal parents to rear a child.

​@@ttaylor8239 Your avatar checks your braindead logic

@@pjgumby wtf do you even mean it’s all to blame on the Ex mother in law she’s the issue here she’s the only bad one and the kid of course

@@ttaylor8239 your coo coo it’s all the Ex mother in law she made him like this in the first place you pos

Send him to boot camp he can’t get what he want & can’t get his way ex mother in law can’t do or say anything be because OP is the parents she have more right than grandparents

FACTS MAN😂

@Sentient Toaster damn 😂

If I ever did that when I was little I would've gotten the belt

@@1v1dogfights81 I was gonna say....This older son was really lucky that his mother and her 2nd husband were not people that would ever get physical.

Because beating kids is the way. There are other forms of discipline.

​@@Garret007 bro i wasnt hit that much but even i know how to behave

​@@1v1dogfights81same.

Or don't shop in San Francisco....

"i need to speak to your manager"

Uhm story 1 : literally neglected her kid I mean ofc the ex MIL spoilt him cuz she probably felt bad for him

She flat out just gave up trying to take care of him WELP I guess she tried but she neglected him seriously bro never had a father figure in his life only had a mother figure

​@@codmaproguyhaving to be a single mother is the fault of the father and his family. As shown by the mil parenting leading to the child's ruin. Mil was to blame for ALL of it just by raising her son to be a violent deadbeat.

@@lolarichter9415 ur supposed to blame both but the mom still raised a deadbeat now I understand why she's a single mother

Or in hospital since he would anger the one person one day

God yeah. Her eldest son needs a bloody good slap!

Wait a minute he is high schooler 🤨

@@fumo33 I was wondering about the age too

fr. I don’t get it either. she literally only spend 1/4 of the year or even less with him.

it's a sort of "do right by him" thing. I don't think she realized JUST how fucked up he was as she did it, just knew the grandmother was fucking him up based on her ex. People like that -- her ex, the son, and probably the mom -- actually live horrible lives because of how they treat other people --that, and/or deeply abuse the few who sick around-- and I think the mother was trying to save her son from that... or from becoming an abuser herself. I don't think she realized it was too late.

I mean, better late than never right? It is strange tho that the op still wanted him. She probably didn’t realize that he was already so far gone when she got custody.

Becuase he's her son

Maybe it was a bit of guilt that she couldn’t do more earlier and still wants the best for him. Also it isn’t his fault how he turned out. It’s the Ex-Mother in law.

Yea

Be cuase theyre storys are made up and tooken from reddit

bro she can’t be charged with kidnapping if she has custody

“Maam, we got a police call, uhhh where is the suspect?” “6 feet under.”

seems like an area problem more than a store problem

city people are crazy

I just, no, I can't bring myself to believe this story Two Karens in the same day? Had to call the police two times? They both were high? The high part is where I stopped believing

@@CaptainTom_EW all Karen’s are high from brain fumes

@@CaptainTom_EW Dude, he said he was in San Francisco. That's all you need to know. That city has become a cesspool.

You can also use it as ammo against the oldest making it look like she loved the younger one more. Sounds honestly like the mother gave up when she got shared custody rather than full custody.

It's her kid. He was kidnapped. If course she still loves him. Ypu do t grow a whole ass human being in your body without forming a very deep connection

Some states have grandparents rights which basically is a dumb law saying granny and pop pop are legally allowed to have visitation with their grandkids and the parents can't refuse it. Bit... I mean Karen, sorry dunno where that typo came from, took mom to court and exploited it to basically get custody. Probably through lies and half truths and denying things the mother rightfully claimed but couldn't prove

Reginald: DETESTABLE!!! Geoffrey: DEPLORABLE!!!!

@@haydennorris8062 (Gordon,James & Henry look at them mad)

It wasn't her choice. Learn English and listen again.

@@johnclaybaugh9536 Dude you misunderstood what I was referring to Your right it wasn't her choice to lose her son to granny But after years when she gets her son & he gets arrested HER CHOICE instead of taking him back home to parent or sending him to be with granny she gets the judge to send him to a group home..... Life tip don't be snarky for no reason best case you come off as clever AH or worst case you come off as an incompetent AH

@@kaidrazarc8000 lol. She actually did the best thing there was to do. He was only there for the weekend and wouldn't have listened to mom anyway. But some idiots do think being arrested is a parent's fault and is just horrible. Thankfully some of us know the truth. Heck, my kid hit me and was arrested. That never happened again.

@@johnclaybaugh9536 ohh I agree the entitled son deserved to be arrested for what he did thinking he can make the rules honestly deserved worst But the last bit not letting granny have her entitled brat back instead putting him in a group home just seems spiteful as they're both happy together but OP doesn't want them together while also doesn't want to parent her entitled brat who just makes her life hell But good on ya being a good parent teaching your kid there are consequences & an important lesson that is invaluable to the rest of their life

*confused screaming*

What is she gonna do when he’s already broken beyond repair

@@Leosloth2011 it's not that you should be asking. You should be asking, "What was the point in fighting for all this custody if I'm forced to get rid of my son if there's nothing I can do to salvage my relationship with him?"