Extreme Moneyball: An Independent Baseball Team’s Descent Into Sabermetric Thinking

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As you can see, this video is a little different. This is basically a summary of the book "The Only Rule Is It Has to Work". The authors of this book, Ben Lindbergh and Sam Miller, take over an independent team known as the Sonoma Stompers. They use sabermetric ways of thinking in order to get the best players and get the most out of their players. I hope you guys enjoy! The next video I'm uploading is something I've been planning for a long time.
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@robberonbrent 4 жыл бұрын

“My attention span only allows me to binge watch KZfaq videos” Damn, I really felt that.

@pboyle1220 3 жыл бұрын

Never have I had a KZfaq video describe me more

@kushclarkkent6669 Жыл бұрын

lmao I came to comments to say "he just like me fr"

@SEMYHREPICTURES 3 жыл бұрын

8:07 Tanner Rainey is the setup man for the Washington Nationals right now and played a pivotal role in their World Series run last year

@blakeb4490 3 жыл бұрын

I actually went to high school in Sonoma County, the field they show is Sonoma Valley High School, I went to Petaluma High, about 20 minutes away, but I played on that field a few times. It's cooling seeing that in a video like this and being able to say I played on that field

@NB-gc8sq 3 жыл бұрын

Holy shit! Fehlant Lentini is a Winnipeg Goldeyes legend! Haven’t heard that name in a long time!

@JWex-jy7sk 3 жыл бұрын

@N B Played for Winnipeg 2006-2008 and 2011. 2006-07 he was just completely unstoppable! In just 90-95 games a year he’d hit in the .320’s, 30+ doubles, have 7-13 triples, and swipe 40-50+ stolen bases. Dude could just rake at the plate and had some all around blazing speed!

@HalTheBlade 3 жыл бұрын

Came across as a real jerk in the book unfortunately

@blitzfn292 3 жыл бұрын

Who else saw the movie? And also, who TF trades 6 donuts for a third round pick🤦🏻😂

@daltonlambert1409 3 жыл бұрын

I legit thought he was going to name six brutal players traded for the pick referred to as “donuts” 😂 but he actually meant 🍩 lmao

@blitzfn292 3 жыл бұрын

Dalton Lambert ikr

@armadillolover99 3 жыл бұрын

How you gonna trade a draft pick for only half a dozen donuts?

@bcdm999 3 жыл бұрын

I WAS HUNGRY OKAY

@MikeyD8716 3 жыл бұрын

I wonder if the owner approved that trade.

@markchalled3976 3 жыл бұрын

Hard to quantify results when as a summer league players leave the team so your second half is going to be way different. thanks for the breakdown.

@danieltrubman8203 3 жыл бұрын

An OBP of .250 isn't great, but assuming that 1 non-home run hit was single, Canseco has a .625 slugging percentage. That seems a lot better than "not bad".

@JonPITBZN 3 жыл бұрын

Your textbook high-variance, high-upside player, which is exactly what you'd expect when putting a long-retired MLB home-run king up against future insurance salesmen.

@noahmcdaniel4920 3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like Joey Gallo

@DragonaAuntstar 3 жыл бұрын

@@noahmcdaniel4920 plate vision-0 Plate discipline-0 Power-unlimited

@rftulie 3 жыл бұрын

I like the hints about not being rigid about closers and putting your best relievers in leverage situations rather than using them to get 3 outs in the ninth ahead by 2-3 runs.

@jacobtune3256 2 жыл бұрын

Never thought I would buy a book from a yt video but I just did

@hardtater4154 3 жыл бұрын

Came for the analytics. Stayed for the 6 donut trade :D

@MastahUsername 3 жыл бұрын

I interned for the San Rafael Pacifics last summer and have seen the Stompers play dozens of times. I definitely wasn’t expecting to find a video about them on KZfaq. Awesome job! Love all your other videos as well.

@SwoteOffical 2 жыл бұрын

Cool!

@erwinrommelgaminde9572 3 жыл бұрын

There were too many variables they couldn't control but the experiment was a success. If baseball can find the right balance between analytics and traditional play, it will progress into a very entertaining and highly skilled sport. Hopefully, we're not far from that.

@bretrogersweightlifting4008 3 жыл бұрын

Wait you’re just gonna mention right at the end that there were girls on the team ?

@CAPAE 3 жыл бұрын

That needed to be highlighted just a BIT more I would say!

@bretrogersweightlifting4008 3 жыл бұрын

CAPAE yea like he just threw it in there at the end like it doesn’t mean anything. That seems like a big deal !

@mjsher2 3 жыл бұрын

It was the next year.

@cadenr06 3 жыл бұрын

I’ve been trying to find their stats. Can anyone find them?

@seppshlllearningcenter419 2 жыл бұрын

You guys are acting like it's ground breaking to have females on small town independent teams. This isn't high A ball.

@stickit2theman1 4 жыл бұрын

Just took a look at your channel after watching your vid on SRS. Gotta say this vid is eye opening and possibly a look into the future of MLB. You got my sub!

@SportStorm23 4 жыл бұрын

Root Note-Evan thank you!

@Raxy279 3 жыл бұрын

One of the most solid videos I’ve seen. Well done

@SAVikingSA 3 жыл бұрын

6 donuts for a draft pick isn't even on the top 5 of bad Mets trades

@mr.cocoapuff7109 4 жыл бұрын

Learning new things every video. Thanks!!

@samuelalmaraz494 4 жыл бұрын

this was outstanding! keep it up

@SportStorm23 4 жыл бұрын

Samuel Almaraz thank you!

@gingerface1898 3 жыл бұрын

Great video, thanks for making this.

@bryantsteury8910 4 жыл бұрын

Fascinating! What a great video

@SportStorm23 4 жыл бұрын

Bryant Steury thank you!

@mgrowbee 3 жыл бұрын

Subscribed a few weeks back. I have seen everything. These videos are so well done. I’m so excited your channel is starting to get the traction it deserves!

@godbobo9162 2 жыл бұрын

If they wanted to win it all, they probably needed to pace themselves more in the first half to avoid pouching, if they retained that talent it’s very likely the championship would’ve been all theirs. At some point Baseball turns from a mathematical wonderland, to just a sport like every other sport, and sometimes I think we forget that.

@Jbrill-tr3fp 3 жыл бұрын

I love going to Stompers games😂😂

@outtaherebaseball3205 4 жыл бұрын

Awesome topic man!

@SportStorm23 4 жыл бұрын

Outta Here Baseball thanks man

@vamp9713 4 жыл бұрын

Great video, man!

@SportStorm23 4 жыл бұрын

vamp9 thanks!

@rrameir 4 жыл бұрын

Some of the best quality videos on the site

@SportStorm23 4 жыл бұрын

appleman thank you!

@candlestickthrills 4 ай бұрын

Former Stompers GM here, and let me say, those donuts were great.

@BaseballQuotes1 4 жыл бұрын

wow this is awesome!

@SportStorm23 4 жыл бұрын

BaseballQuotes1 thank you!

@Z1MWOODS 3 жыл бұрын

This is brilliant

@josharata3342 3 жыл бұрын

Hey I’m from sonoma! Been to a couple of their games

@JacionBryant 3 жыл бұрын

i love this movie

@SmittyCBaseball 4 жыл бұрын

Who else really misses baseball?

@alexhisem1852 4 жыл бұрын

SmittyC what up

@SmittyCBaseball 4 жыл бұрын

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@thokim84 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, baseball is effectively dead. The game isn't dead, but the business model and interest in the sport is.

@robertboekee8733 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent content. Much in the line of foolish baseball and Stark Raving Sports. Subscribed before 5k subs.

@jeffreytoman5202 3 жыл бұрын

I'm a sub and a fan. I see the potential to get on the level of foolish but he's not there yet.... and maple donuts are f'n awesome

@lucasberg8863 4 жыл бұрын

I’m here before 1K subs because you are really good

@SportStorm23 4 жыл бұрын

Bucas Lerg thank you!

@metsfan7376 3 жыл бұрын

8:07 Kevin Kaczmarski and Dylan Tice? Now those are 2 Mets players that’s names I haven’t heard mentioned in a long time!

@trsports8123 4 жыл бұрын

Great Vid

@SportStorm23 4 жыл бұрын

T R Sports thank you

@brianj4090 3 жыл бұрын

This is great quality sports journalism. thanks for the vid. I hope some of these channels making great sports content are able to monetize to sustainable levels. Like and sub, yall.

@madkinsclassroom5421 3 жыл бұрын

Holy shit! I coached that catcher Andrew Parker at the Cardinal Gibbons School in Maryland. Small damn world. Is it weird that it was his swing in that clip toward the end that confirmed it for me?

@madkinsclassroom5421 3 жыл бұрын

To be fair I was a first year assistant coach.

@ObiWanKenobi 3 жыл бұрын

@@madkinsclassroom5421 that’s so cool lol. That’s wild that you’re just watching a random video and find one of the former players you coached

@caras2004 3 жыл бұрын

At times in the video, does it sound like the narrator is saying "Salmon Bend"?

@diegomontoya8889 3 жыл бұрын

I totally thought so too.

@mattychaz4223 3 жыл бұрын

Bro I literally jumped when he said Matt chavez

@Netomal 3 жыл бұрын

When I was in high school 70% of the pitchers were right handed so over the summer I became a switch hitter 😂😂😂

@joshkemme427 2 жыл бұрын

As of 2022, the Pacific Association no longer exists. RIP Sonoma

@DroneConflict 3 жыл бұрын

holy shit IM FROM SONOMA and Ive never heard of this team til now

@utaliovelasquez9076 4 жыл бұрын

I miss baseball

@BenjaminLopez-hk7ws 3 жыл бұрын

Does anyone know if these guys are still working with the Sonoma Stompers?

@andrewwilson7671 2 жыл бұрын

They are not

@PrimarySweeper13 2 жыл бұрын

I LIVE IN PITTSBURG. HOW DID I NOT KNOW WE HAVE TEAM

@Jffeeney3rd 2 жыл бұрын

Fascinated three minutes in…

@certifiedhoodclassics6304 3 жыл бұрын

Vallejo admirals baby

@orgaicnutproductions Жыл бұрын

Just applied to intern for this team!

@Infntpaccout1100.3x 2 жыл бұрын

bro I feel u, my brains favorite thing to do is watch KZfaq all day. and he hates reading

@Jack-gt4oe 2 жыл бұрын

Bro I’ve been to all the stadiums and I live like 15 minutes away from the Pacifics stadium. I play there all the time

@adamgillespie8508 3 жыл бұрын

Jose Canseco played for my local area Frontier league team also. Lol. I don’t think he got a hit in either of the games he played.

@Gruntbaseball 4 жыл бұрын

Not Bad at all bro

@SportStorm23 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks man

@jasonv6319 3 жыл бұрын

From what it seems is data is good, old ways of thinking are hampering and are bad, always adapt to whats new and never be stuck in the past

@BrightHornet936 3 жыл бұрын

Feeling really bad for the dude who let Jose conseco hit a hr off him rn😔

@carlj12 3 жыл бұрын

wasnt it David Denson? maybe this guy came out a bit before hand

@rockaway0beach 3 жыл бұрын

“My attention span only allows me to binge watch KZfaq videos” Mood, big mood

@trashstorage1468 3 жыл бұрын

Bro I’ve been to a Stompers game

@Piercen_Buckley 3 жыл бұрын

As someone from San Rafael I lowkey died a little bit over how he said it

@zh2184 3 жыл бұрын

Sportstorm - this documentary is a triumph - ESPN's 30 for 30 could take some pointers from you!

@WestsideMob 3 жыл бұрын

I would of asked for a dozen donuts 🍩

@armadillolover99 3 жыл бұрын

As bad as your team’s GM is, just be glad he’s not the guy who traded a third rounder for half a box of donuts

@micahtataje 3 жыл бұрын

Moral of the story: baseball is unfair. Brutal

@noahosterhues6459 3 жыл бұрын

Tanner Rainey??

@JacionBryant 3 жыл бұрын

oakland nations

@evangenthon7098 4 жыл бұрын

The river city rascals are my local team

@collinq7853 3 жыл бұрын

They’re gone don’t exist anymore

@evangenthon7098 3 жыл бұрын

@@collinq7853 i know

@jalenkang7527 3 жыл бұрын

pittsburg diamonds baby

@jaredlewis8689 2 жыл бұрын

If you're already starting off with 100% uncertainty, anything can help.

@chuckgrunwaldt51 2 жыл бұрын

no way the rascals play 15 minutes from my house

@isaactejada2757 3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like Astro’s

@frankym69 3 жыл бұрын

I thought there were seven levels in minor league baseball and the Atlantic League, the American Association and the Frontier League were were right below that in that order in the Indy circuit.

@SteelersCardinals1 3 жыл бұрын

RIP RC Rascals

@JacionBryant 3 жыл бұрын

i love the scene with hallie berry

@CadChamberlain 3 жыл бұрын

tfw you lose because your players get too good

@Frisbieinstein 2 жыл бұрын

It's pronounced "San Rahfell".

@ChrisNoonetheFirst 3 жыл бұрын

The right pronunciation is "San Ra-fell"

@cristiandominguez4274 3 жыл бұрын

Dude I’m from Sonoma and Sonoma stoppers is are local teams

@lucasrendon4182 3 жыл бұрын

Oh wait wtf this is my local team I see them all the time haha

@luckylepp6609 3 жыл бұрын

Man, humor falls really really flat when nerdy dudes read their jokes directly off their book reports

@elishyahharter1355 3 жыл бұрын

Your shit is amazing

@mattmcrae1458 4 жыл бұрын

By getting other baseball teams to sign their opponents two best players is cheating.

@paulhammerich9244 3 жыл бұрын

Great and interesting. Please do your research on pronunciations ie San Rafael sounds like San Rafell

@warlikeswine4289 3 жыл бұрын

So basically, advance metrics works to a point. And it works when you have the advantage over other teams to continuously gather that info over other teams, And as long as all things remain exactly as they are/were at the beginning. I think advanced metrics can help, and give better statistical analysis of players, but in the end they can't win championships, as shown here and with the Moneyball A's. Add to the fact, baseball is filled with guys like: Buddy Biancalana, Steve Lombardozzi, Scott Leius, Scott Podsednick, David Freese, guys who's metrics probably didn't warrant them doing great things, but then they succeeded or came through in baseball moments contrary to what in depth statistical analysis would say.

@StarrWolf64 4 жыл бұрын

It doesn't make sense but it's pronounced San Ra-fell

@SportStorm23 4 жыл бұрын

StarrWolf64 really? That is weird

@StarrWolf64 4 жыл бұрын

@@SportStorm23 yeah, I grew up in the area. I actually know the photographer for stompers, he might have some inside information if you ever do a follow up.

@alexmyers3000 4 жыл бұрын

@@SportStorm23 Can confirm...lived in Marin County for 2 years

@ernestolombardo5811 3 жыл бұрын

Brad Pitt: (eats a Twinkie)

@johndotcue 3 жыл бұрын

Imagine being traded to a team for 6 fucking donuts haha

@gopher6532 3 жыл бұрын

it was a 3rd round pick not a player

@guyincognito320 2 жыл бұрын

Look, a low level pro ball player loves ****!

@jamesjackson6027 3 жыл бұрын

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@RubbinRobbin 3 жыл бұрын

In conclusion, the Yankees ruined baseball.

@jmedlin81 3 жыл бұрын

gayday

@Sterlingradioreel 3 жыл бұрын

I broadcasted for this league, Sonoma was lowkey ass HAHA

@clickity05productions2 3 жыл бұрын

I live there 🙃

@JM-fo1te 3 жыл бұрын

Lose the trap music

@1who4me 3 жыл бұрын

Um they had females because at that level the skill gap is 500x closer than the majors. 🤦🏻

@calebmouth 11 ай бұрын

Couldnt get through the video, his voice was too annoying

@mofr4747 3 жыл бұрын

I think it ruined the game

@lucasborja3797 3 жыл бұрын

It’s the same game, teams are just being smarter to win.

@Soosss 3 жыл бұрын

Nah I think it’s good overlooked players can get a shot instead of being overlooked for dumb reasons like “he pitches weird” or “his swing isn’t good enough”

@Bidwellz9 3 жыл бұрын

sabermetrics doesnt work, getting to the playoffs is all good but what about a ring? medicore players wont beat superstars

@alexcruz4322 3 жыл бұрын

Sabermetrics is statistics, you can’t say math & probability doesn’t work. It’s literally math. Getting to the playoffs is all you can do. Anything after that is as much luck as skill. The giants won 3 rings in 5 years with a mediocre team, the Nats won in 2019 despite having a weaker team on paper then Dodgers, Yankee’s & Astro’s.

@therealjaystone2344 3 жыл бұрын

Moneyball works in the regular season but not in the playoffs where you need clutch hitters and pitchers.

@Bidwellz9 3 жыл бұрын

@@alexcruz4322 you can say it doesnt work, refer to my first comment...where are the rings?

@aaronhoy3410 3 жыл бұрын

@@Bidwellz9 "... where are the rings?" Well if you mean what teams have used sabermetrics to win World Series championships then the answer is the following: Boston Red Sox - 2004, 2007, 2013, 2018 St. Louis Cardinals - 2006, 2011 New York Yankees - 2009 Chicago Cubs - 2016 Now, I'm not saying that using sabermetrics is the end all, be all for teams & should be the sole basis for which they make decisions if they want to win... however saying that it doesn't work at all like your comment replies is equally ridiculous.

@srj34 3 жыл бұрын

Okay...so what do you do when you can't afford the superstars?