Not really

so i just ran razor leaf leaf storm with muscle, scope, and drain crown with 7 red emblems. it felt pretty friggin good with a good tank and support.

Yeah you are over hating it for sure. Some people don’t have the aim for spirit shackle and the razor leaf is more consistent damage. SS is better in more situations and has bigger skill ceiling but you can pop off with RL with the right team.

I actually like it with a decent squad and I like farming with it a lot more

Averaging over 10 kills a game and great in lane. But it hurts in the final 2 minutes and feel way too vulnerable at ray.

Just wondering, what do u think that "perfect" comp is?

@@deadlywiz19good frontline, preferably with pokemon like clef/umbri etc that punish dive

Won't change anything. The issue is with mobility and/or range. If they want to make razor leaf viable it needs to incorporate a dash, increased move speed, or have longer range. Otherwise it's never going to be better than spirit shackle.

⁠​⁠​⁠@@sammoon7897 I agree that it wouldn’t make it competitively viable, but razor leaf doesn’t need to be better than shackle or competitively viable. I don’t want the devs to make all of the Pokémon feel too same-y. Other Pokémon like Cinderace already have dashes, this would just bring razor leaf more towards the duraludon side of things and make decidueye slightly more independent. Just enough stuns/pushes and enough damage to stay alive and do its job.

@@deadlywiz19 I agree with the above poster. It probably needs a good frontline tank with stuns/blocks, a brawler to flex in and out of the frontline and protect and a decent save/punish supporter. Maybe something like BLVKHVNDs season 1 worlds team where razor leaf decidueye could take the place of Cinderace (Sword, tree, blissey, hoopa, owl).

It would probably make it broken.

I've been saying this for a loooong time!

you easily can with helping hand blissey

Yes and maybe with the animation of spinner

There is no adc that should be standing still while attacking. Kiting (attacking then moving then attacking then moving) is a crucial skill for any adc in any moba. As long as you're watching your position (like adc's should be doing) then you should have no problem moving around in a fight

“Not really” 😂

If you want a good sniper experience just play Inteleon. Sure you have a Lazer sight but during a fight the enemy can't focus on it anyway plus 100% crit chance AND invisible for defense. Garchops auto attack buffs have made it one of the best all-rounders in the game. If you can have that as a ranged character then it's even better. That's a huge reason to play RL over SS. That's why spragles cut the video before showing the damage screen for the SS game.

@@diyomaxwell330 I'm not saying RL owl is bad (or Garchomp, for that matter), in fact, that was my whole point: I just find Shackle one of the most fun moves in the entire game and even if RL would become the most broken move in the game, I could never bring myself to play RL over Shackle if I play the owl. Mostly because how much fun I think shackle is, but also personally I find RL quite boring. I can understand people not finding RL boring, but I can't understand people finding it more fun than shackle 😜 And sure, if we are gonna get into the actual strengths of both moves: you can be good with RL and have good games with it, but it's not gonna be as consistently impactful as Shackle. This is a case where the damage numbers really aren't relevant. If you have huge shredding potential, you're obviously gonna get huge damage numbers, if you manage to keep your paper bag owl alive. But you have no secure, whereas spirit Shackle gives you one of the best secure tools in the game, in a game where securing decides every important fight. Now for Inteleon I will take your word for it; I've never played it. It looks fun, but somehow it doesn't have the same appeal to me as the owl. But maybe that's just chauvinism/loyalty to the og sniper of unite 😅

@Jrssnjr for sure, a matter of preference in any video game should take priority. Fun comes first. It just seems you keep making arguments FOR rl over ss. The owl is totally a paper bag like you said. That's why I prefer the sustainability of rl. It just heals so much where with ss you get caught you die 100% of the time. Plus Rey secure is way less important if their team is dead. Not to mention even if they aren't, you exclusively have the ability to fight and secure objectives at the same time with rl. Your opponents have to do one or the other.

There is never gonna be a reason to play razor leaf lmao, razor leaf is still bad

@@serily4524 you mean other than the free wins in master rank because the enemy Decidueye is playing SS and missing every shot

Just not the same as getting stabbed by icicles. Sounds too soft. Quills are too soft.

Go ahead. Dive and get Leaf Stormed.

That second change can sometimes feel a bit awkward if not implemented correctly. For instance, when I first picked up Gardevoir and started using Moonblast (which works in a similar manner) I found that the recoil sometimes felt a little clunky rather than intuitive. Personal preference, of course.

Yeah! Like Tel'annas from Arena of Valor

Your ignorance makes you look even more stupid.funny how i have great success with owl since release. Bet you think squirrel is a Bad pokemon too becouse Ur mmr lets you only See noobs xD maybe try full tank deci might work better for you lol

And you will struggle putting in work in this trash build

Only works against noobs

​@@serily4524 Have you experienced fighting a Deci with Leaf Storm and Eject Button? Not a fun experience. How would you deal with that? You're not a noob, right?

​@@quamorant133leaf storm is the move that stuns you, that move is somewhat annoying yea but it has ways to play around it, razor leaf on the other hand is not hard to counter, i can count with more than my fingers how many times i killed a razor leaf deci because of how bad they are

@@serily4524 I got to 1600 master rank with razor leaf,shadow sneak, eject button. Yes speedsters are my cryptonite but I usually lvl up faster than enemy speedsters by destroying the entire enemy team. I beat lots of 1600 masters with 55% win ratio.

Dude is too squishy and slow to be viable. Coming from someone who doesn't main that stuffed owl, but plays it in ranked. What works with me, if I chose this build, is guarding and being defensive ironically.

​@@silferbuu86if u wanna guard and be defensive you should run shackle, that build gives u far better vision than razor leaf will ever do, you are able to guard rayquaza and zone out enemies with it, which is pretty much defending, if u ever play ranked dont ever run razor leaf, only run shackle

It seems like you are not much of a serious player for ranked peter, if u get advice or coaching from any pro player out there, they will blatantly tell u razor lear is bad and shackle is always the better build 100%, if u have fun running this build only run it in standards and quicks, running this in ranked is completely grief, so please do us a favor and only run shackle on ranked, eject button too

You know what is actually fun in ranked?, playing it seriously and playing shackle instead of griefing

It's not a troll if you're not trolling.

Yup

I agree

"Recovers so fastly" with what hp?, decidueye has so little hp to begin with, the buffs are trash, razor leaf is still bad

No it isn't, shackle will help you and your team far better than this move does

Please for the love of god if u like razor leaf so much run it in standards and quicks, i feel bad for ur teammates that have to put up with u running a grief build in ranked, yes the build can be fun but thats only in non ranked matches, its not fun whatsoever if u run it in ranked, so please if u wanna run deci in ranked always go shackle, ranked is for winning, not griefing, so pick the actual good move that will help ur team win

@@serily4524 I have a 65% winrate on Decidueye using almost exclusively razor leaf, and I always have the most kills/highest damage on the team. I’ve even made it to master with him multiple times, and that was long before any buffs so razor leaf was even worse at the time. Unite as a game is simply not that deep, it isn’t like league or other mobas. As long as you have half a brain you can perform well with just about anything. If I’m able to carry games with a “grief” build then that’s proof enough. I don’t say this often but in your case this is definitely a skill issue, just play the game more lil bro I promise you’ll get better in no time 👍

​@@juliuskingsley4400theres something called getting carried by pro players pocketing ur trash build, you are one of those people, not every trash player is a player that has below 50%wr, some trash players end up getting omega carried either in duos or trios or getting carried a lot in soloq to the point where their wr is positive because of how much they get carried, shut ur trash noob mouth lmao, ur not good, ur just carried

If you won 16 games in a row you are either trioq or duoq or you get lucky to get good teammates in your team or bad enemies, or both, or your region u live in is filled with bad players that dont know how to counter decidueye razor leaf, this build is just a noob stomper, nothing more else, if ur winning with it on ranked ur lucky, run spirit shackle on ranked always NOW

@@serily4524 I’m solo

​@@EliJa-pb8ficarried

@@serily4524 for 16 games straight?

Won the game but did I have a good time?? No I did not!

Against noobs its good

Even if they did, you have Leaf Storm.

​@@quamorant133which it doesn't matter because they can just dodge it or run back to u and kill u

@@serily4524 Ah yes, just dodge it. Very easy.

A frontline pocketed deci with shackle is far better than razor leaf pocketed deci

Because he has strong lifesteal and can hit multiple enemies?

​@@quamorant133what will hitting multiple enemies do if it does trash damage?, if anything the moment multiple enemies are on u you are pretty much gonna die, hitting a lot of enemies sounds good on paper until u realize u have to be on melee range for that, hitting multiple enemies is useless because the enemies can easily focus u and kill u before u deal dmg

@@serily4524 Trash damage? First time I heard that. You know what? Not gonna argue anymore. Just watch some Razor Leaf gameplay on KZfaq or something. Razor Leaf Decidueye isn't invincible but it definitely isn't as bad as you make it seem.

Because I remember correctly it was 120k and 90k so pretty high for bad build 😜

"Isn't bad" "nor would i explicitly call it griefing" theres a thousand of reasons why razor leaf is bad, its not a matter of spirit shackle being better, but a matter of this build being straight up BAD, unite api will always show this build below 50% wr no matter what, thats how bad it is, if u dont know what ur talking about dont talk, this build is bad, and its gonna stay bad until they rework it, spirit shackle is better than this build and will always perform better than razor leaf because razor leaf is bad, its like saying ground garchomp isn't bad but its just that dragon build is better, you see how dumb ur comment is?, its not a matter of shackle being better but a matter if razor leaf being bad

Run shackle even if ur bad with it, thats if u play ranked

Specifically in trio or 5 stacks and def not in solo q since players pick what they like

@@IthquaisChibiobviously That is true with basically every adc

My bud takes Decidueye into Jungle pretty regularly. He always picks Razor Leaf because it offers a great alternative into a ganking style ADC. From what I could tell, is that you gotta pick your moments and choose your fights as Razor Leaf, especially picking your moments. Wait until the enemy uses their cooldowns and then punish them.

Experienced players will never pick RL over Shackle because they know it's a bad ability. Deci is a sniper character with lowish mobility that tries to stay away from fights to do burst pokes at range. Why would you ever pick an ability that forces you to be up close to get any mileage. RL literally loses to people holding forward on it. Any comp that RL works with works better with Shackle. "Oh but it rips fast" well guess what, Dura and Dragapult do that better and Dura is an awful mon right now and Dragapult is good for reasons outside of ripping. The only way RL is ever getting acknowledged as anything but bad is if 1. It gives you multiple dashes while it's active 2. It gives you a big speed increase so you can weave in and out Until then it stays bad and is a bigger noob trap than Goodra, sorry to say

@@BlackBeartic229 deci can hit multiple mon with razor leaf So the damage potential is more than other ads Of course spirit shackle is a better ability but razor leaf is also fun So experienced players use an ability when they find it fun Couldn't have explained it better than @hoogotot...

It is bad, any diver eats u alive before u get to do dmg

Ngl but doesn’t that seem a bit useless? A pokemon that can only fight when there’s a lot of wild pokemon around?

Should’ve clarified that the Altaria isn’t the only option. The healing can save you even when there’s only one wild Pokemon to drain health from and there are numerous times that regaining health with the sure-hit rapid fire can be better than the long range. Decidueye is also a Pokemon that heavily relies on positioning anyways, and wild Pokemon aren’t that difficult to position around anyways since there’s many across the map.

The mon still dies in 1.5 hits even with the recovery, so fighting next to multiple enemies or farm doesn't really help your case. All it takes is one good dive player and you die, and you make it far easier for them by playing RL

​@@BlackBeartic229All it takes is one well-aimed Leaf Storm and they die.

​​@@quamorant133all it takes is one decent diver player to learn to play around it and dodge leaf storm and deci is dead, leaf storm is only gonna build up a little bit of time for ur eventual death, against a bad player yea ur gonna be able to kill them, against a good player ur simply dead meat, stop thinking u can fight divers and kill them lol, because u cant, divers can burst u down faster than u can dmg them because u have very little hp while they have many escape tools and hp

So if you like it cuz it can rip fast, why not play Dragapult or Duraludon or even Glaceon. They bring more to the table (and yes, i'm saying Dura itself is far better than RL despite being bad) without compromising what their characters do (Deci is a sniper so why are we going with a close range ability with no mobility). Even in best case scenarios like you described shackle is still better if you have good timing and aim.

​ None of those Pokemon can hit multiple enemies as effectively.

If you prefer razor leaf over spirit shackle especially in ranked ur a straight up griefer, learn to drop ur garbage favoritism for certain builds or held items when it comes to ranked, you are allowed to like certains moves and held items outside of ranked, but if ur playing ranked u have to like what is factually better for the ranked mode, if ur running razor leaf in ranked ur a straight up griefer that belongs in beginner rank, onetricking in ranked isn't gonna get u anywhere as a better player nor favoritism for certain builds is gonna make u a better player, you need to learn to drop ur useless favoritism and one tricking when it comes to ranked, because ranked is a mode for serious players who wanna play well

​@@quamorant133spirit shackle can pierce through many different pokemon, so can duralodon, razor leaf being able to hit more than 2 people at once doesn't mean its good, you can hit as many people as u want with razor leaf but that doesn't mean its good in paper, the actual pokemon that can hit as much pokemon effectively are mages, those are an example of good aoe dmg if u hit their abilities well, good dmg, good aoe, good multi targeting of enemies, razor leaf isn't that, what makes a good multi target mon is how much dmg it does while still being able to survive as much as they can from divers, razor leaf isn't that, the moment u run razor leaf ur not gonna be able to deal any damage whatsoever, you will get bursted faster than u can dmg the enemy team, so no, razor leaf is a terrible multi target hit pokemon wether u like it or not, it dies the moment it tries to hit more than 1 pokemon, dies and ends up being unable to do anything in any teamfight or help the team in any way whatsoever, gardevoir can do razor leaf job far better from a safe distance

Having a good lucky game every once in a while doesn't mean the pokemon is broken or good, it should be based how well it performs on average

i mean the other team gave up earlier. As a user of razor leaf i have to admit that

@daniloribeiro5372 yeah I'm just making a point that he has been shitting on RL since the game launched. Just because you don't play from a safe distance like you do with SS doesn't make it bad. It just means your position is far more important in a fight, and I have only been out-damaged by a SS Decidueye a handful of times in the masters bracket. It's very disingenuous, and all it does is make people flame us for playing the better build.

The problem is that: yes, razor works in *some* games, but shackle works in *all* games. Most sets are based on opportunity costs. But Decidueye's problem is always about avoiding a oneshot.

@@Sageman101 on average spirit shackle has less successful games than rl. Your overall impact for your team goes down the drain if you're missing even a single shot in each fight. I'll give my friend code out to anyone who thinks they can out damage my RL with SS. I promise you there are very few people (likely none in this thread) who can produce more damage with SS than I can with RL after 5 games. Bonus points I'm willing to wager that I even have less deaths because RL is the only option that gives you any survivability. Open invite to anyone reading this.

@diyomaxwell330 what are you trying to prove here, exactly? By declaring you can't aim a skill shot so you default to the easier build? Shackle is like firing an ultimate that also pierces through multiple targets. You have to try and not hit a target in a team fight. You also can't compare the sheer damage of builds unless both comps are exactly the same on both sides.

No it isn't, in what world are u living in to say leaf storm is the problem lmao, shadow sneak deci is only good with shackle, if u run it with razor leaf ur griefing, leaf storm is NOT the problem, its razor leaf, leaf storm has no problems whatsoever as a move, its fine, its razor leaf that is bad as a move, stop hard coping and accept razor leaf is bad and its a griefing move

Well before update Shadow Sneak Razor Leaf was the 2nd highest win-rate Deci build. We can only wait and see, but I don't think the leaf storm buff is changing that ordering. I agree razor leaf isn't ideal, but it's more workable with shadow sneak.

They got a lucky game thats why