Nokia XpressMusic X6 if it is considered a smartphone. If not then iPhone 5.

Nokia 6288

Samsung Galaxy S2

iPhone SE (2016). It was surprisingly cheap on my family’s contract plan. Back then you could get a 2yo flagship (iPhone 5s or Galaxy S5) for free with a cheap contract - sad those days are over. The SE was only a couple of dollars more but had the same flagship camera and processor speed of a iPhone 6s or Galaxy S7 that was on contract for way way more.

BlackBerry

Thank you Jon!

Enjoyed the documentary, but I find the "first real smartphone" a bit dubious. What about devices like Nokia 9000? Treo 180 came in 2002 which was also the year for contemporaries like Nokia 9210i, Nokia 7650, Sony Ericsson P800 that were all true smartphones and I'd say more appealing ones at that.

@@TheVerge the resource limit for the other comment has been reached but I wanna answer the question now because I spent time on it! Haha you probably never see it but... anyway... God I had loaaaddssss... I had a phone from the age of 9 so my first would be impossible to remember but the first one I remember that stands out is the old 3pay camera phone with the camera that could spin for selfies. And before that I remember I think it was a Siemens that could have polyphonic ringtones on it and it was amazing to me only having matrix screens and beeps in the past... would play a 30 second segment of Kylie Minogue - can't get you out of my head, which came on the phone on repeat over and over again. Drove people nuts haha. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk 🤣👍

I agree

I wanted the Springboard, but in the end got the Blackberry 8800

me too !

For people who don't follow verge, here's a quick tip: anything with deiter in it is a must watch for any tech enthusiast

Surprisingly good, now i have to put the verge back on my do not suggest channel list, idk how it got off of there but i do appreciate that i got the first video from them I've ever considered good

@@kiyosenl.3889 literally

@@0aniket0 👍

Do you remember the GoType clamshell keyboard from Landware? I still have mine and would give my eyeteeth to turn it into a Bluetooth keyboard I can use with my OnePlus phone. If you have any suggestions, please let me know!

Was thinking about this after you commented. I owned several of those types of keyboards; one from Targus, can't remember the others. W-fold things with integral stands. One used infra-red serial (universal), another actually used the Handspring Visor dock connector. With an Arduino translating the "raw serial" and pretending to be a Bluetooth HID device, it's totally doable! @@DaniLong

@@GothAlice I have a few of those keyboards still in a box somewhere. I have the W-fold one and at least two clamshell keyboards. I have a CF card Visor module (don't remember the brand), the phone module, 8-Meg module, a modem module, along with 2-3 different Visors and a Handspring Treo 180. I loved the Handspring line - so many great gadgets that were way ahead of their time.

I think it's all about the timing. The iPhone would have failed if it came out like 5 years before.

@@yasirsaheed id assume they thought of that when deciding when to release the iphone

@@yasirsaheed I agree. Apple has a great record of stepping into a market when the timing is just right, rarely too soon.

Well said.

Well said 👍🏻

"the research and attention to details" are focused more on Handspring and nothing about Apple Newton which was here way before (with GPS, writing email, internet, handwriting recognition, printing, SMS with NewtSMS+) they even have a slot for extension (very common in those time anyway), all that in 1993 until 1998... This from Verge, is just glorification by nostalgia and missing opportunity of those entrepreneurs and pushed by this journalist (old user), they didn't invent anything or innovate, i'm sure they took all the idea just like the Gameboy from the Newton PDA. Remember HandSpring was the competition and answer to Newton, not the other way around. Newton was stopped by steve jobs who was back, because it was not great and too much expensive. Also he was more focus on creating product more than looking at the competition. I'm not even an apple fan but when you know the story and you are honest you can only be filled with annoyance, research within everyone's reach, on top of that ... Like the AVGN said once, the research and attention to details "my ***".

@@exquize1660 they mentioned the Newton, but it was Palm that made touch screen PDAs a household name. The Newton was a proof of concept, but the palm pilot was revolutionary. Not sure why you're so upset.

@@exquize1660 racist

Yes, agreed 💯

Yeah, I was wondering why there was no mention of Blackberry in this video at all.

WebOS is still in use to this day. Its been bought by LG, and is running on their SmartTVs. :)

Yes!!

If you know Dieter's history, you know he'd love to do a story about the Pre and WebOS.

There was not a single Tech interviewed in this documentary, everyone was management. This is the reasons dislikes are no longer counted. 🤦‍♂️

the 6-part xbox documentary that came out this last week is also really top notch

@@vladimirvparfenov3935 is the xbox doc on youtube?

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Treos were outstanding.. Still miss mine.

Just like watching a preacher in 2020! God will save you from covid just pray the germs away lol

I’d consider them fairly popular for the time. My friends and I had them in high school and they were great to use.

Yeah they were pretty popular outside the professional class who had Palm's. It was by far the cheapest PDA at the time especially with that expandable slot, exclusive apps, and 'big' (for the time) display. Palm had budget devices like the m100 and 105 for the same price, but they were heavily compromised devices in comparison. I remember buying one for $200. Was a big deal as a little kid at the time scrounging up all that money from summer work. But it was incredible to me. It felt like the future. I used to even make some apps in Basic for the thing and post it online. Then beam them to friends and see what they think. I used to write assignments in my PDA in middle and later high school. Heck I even wrote a short story on it. Mastering Grafitti was fun. Looking back I probably used my PDA more than even my smartphone today as a computer replacement. Something about the simplicity of the device and using it constantly as a writing instrument felt more natural versus the multitude of apps that I don't really use productively.

@@jonathanpusar5931 Where did you live at the time? I was living in northern Texas and they're truly behind the times or just blinded by loyalty. NOBODY liked Handspring and I think in my entire life, I've seen less than a dozen people using Handspring PDAs. I had to sell both brands for a living and it was impossible to get people to listen. They just leaped blindly towards Palm and wouldn't even TOUCH the Handsprings. I say that's what drove the brand under. Nobody wanted to give them a chance. From my experience in sales, Texas is a bad market to push new technology. They're worried only about BRANDS, not features or practicality. I find Palm hilarioiusly overpriced for a PDA. When Handspring went under, I still refused to buy a Palm and got a Sony Clie instead, LOL....

I had one too! I loved it!

I agree. Not sure what it was particularly, but I loved the time I had with my palm vx. It was a beautiFul device that worked so well. I think it might have been although limited to a few tasks, it did those tasks so well. The design may have started the trend of glued together products, but it was just so sleek and solid, handspring was a chunky plastic toy in comparison. Towards the end mine started suffering from touch going wonky, but with calibration on restart I eeked out some more life

Yea The UI was a delight to use!

I remember I had the tiniest little palm with super tiny and super gummy keys. I adored that phone.

Visionaryness .. um, I think the word you're looking for is genius.

That happens all the time. The father of the modern search engine is a guy from the tiny island of Barbados. He lives a modest but happy life today. These are the people who should be our role models. People who improve the world but don't become greedy parasites.

@@TdotSoul Capitalism rewards parasitism, the next big idea will be missed because some CEO doesn't have the vision and the inventor doesn't have the capital, I mean all the technology: the internet, GPS, touch screens: all military projects, government funded, companies like Apple and Microsoft just steal other peoples ideas and make them profitable, what's sad is that if you do fight to make it big, they can just copy you as soon as it looks promising. Because people will only innovate for profit, free markets actually stifle innovation.

i think the proper word for visionaryness is just… vision?

I remember. I was on Sprint and couldn’t get an iPhone for the first few years.

However, you have to also remember that Apple had the money and the ability to sell their phone without any help from any of these companies. As such, Apple could just tell carriers they'd do it themselves and not cave to carrier demands. In the end carriers were forced to deal with Apple because the iPhone was that big. Handspring or Palm couldn't do that. They didn't have the resources to just sell their own thing and tell other carriers to just stick it. Also, there's no denying that the iPhone had a level of polish other phones simply did not when it launched. The iPhone never really did anything new, but what it did do was integrate all of these things into a slick package which wowed everyone. That in itself was a big achievement.

​@@wakannnai1 Back then, you couldn't actually just put a phone on a carrier's network. We take that for granted these days. The carriers had to explicitly activate every phone on its network to ensure the phones would "behave." A big part of the pushback from the carriers was that they were concerned the iPhone would chew through data on the networks and lead to congestion (which, of course, they did). That first iPhone didn't even have 3G, stuck on the "2.5G" EDGE network, which made the data problems even worse (taking longer to get even less data). And while the iPhone did use SIM cards, the phones were SIM-locked, so even if you wanted to take that phone to another carrier (that happened to support the same frequencies) after the fact, you couldn't. On top of that, Apple's Visual Voicemail feature required a server component with the carrier, so assuming you could get the carrier to unlock your phone, and you found another carrier that used GSM on the same frequencies your phone used, you would lose this key feature, as no other carrier had the software from Apple to support it.

Why is it there's always some Eugene Snorklelbender going "Well actually..."

I started work in Verizon back in 2007 and they were kicking themselves for turning away Steve Jobs.

caedengoering You don't understand it, Steve was inviting everyone, already developing his iPhone !

SAME i had the orange one

Are you South African?

Hehehehe, my first PDA was Visor Pro. I was a mere student back then but I can see it have better entertainment value than all other nokia phones (so many freeware and shareware games back then). Awesome stuff 👍

What's outrageous is that people REFUSED to even give Handspring a chance. I worked the electronics section of my store and they sold both brands. Nobody wanted to hear me talk about Handspring. They oohed and aahed over the more expensive Palms even though the screens were SMALLER because of the M100 series faceplates (I never understood why they chose that stupid design. I had to recommend a customer REMOVE the faceplate to get more room to tap on the screen!). You couldn't get memory upgrades unless you shelled out a whopping $399 for the M500 series but you wouldn't get a color screen. And even if you did, the Handspring Visor with a color screen looked much better. I used to have a Visor and took advantage of the Springboard. I had a backup cartridge and there was even an adapter to use Sony Memory Sticks! So I could get a whopping 512 MB of memory if I needed. And Palm? They couldn't expand beyond even HALF that!

I think a few people did. I had the Nokia 9210 Commmunicator then Sony Ericsson P800i then the P900i and lastly before the I got the iPhone the Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 which ran Windows 6.1. The first 2 mentioned here ran Synbian. But none of them were as smooth as the iPhone.

It's funny. Now, having a bigger phone is better. Back then, smaller was better.

Same here. "Why so big" They had no idea what I had. LOL. Joke was on them.

thats a lie.

C'mon Derek! Tell Fusion1790 he's the liar. Derek, where are you?

Same bro

Where was this prior to KZfaq?

@@Christian_Luczejko some website or place idk

@@Christian_Luczejko so for the last month or so it was on the verge app on Roku, or Google TV, nowhere else. Interesting decision by the verge. Curious to know what their goals was with that..?

Vision is great, but without the ability to execute that vision…it means nothing.

Indeed, pls read "Piloting Palm" for more historical details (disclaimer: former Palm / Treo user here)

Really I used palm up until the treo even wrote some 'cards' for the OS which was webkit based front end. it was a slick phone. I didn't use a iPhone until the 3gs. got that on launch day and never went back,

Treo signal reception was extraordinary good. Early gens of iphone were horrible with receptions.

i was excited about these and desperately wanted to play with my aunts palm pilot even as a kid. she kept on telling me it wasn't a toy, i didn't care. i could see the potential even then

Wow! Another guy like me! I, too, thought that Stowaway was just THE BEST. I, too, owned several different Visors and a bunch of modules. My big problem, though, was I was doing the European biz dev for an Israel - America startup, and nothing worked everywhere. I could only use my Visor Phone when I was in the (Washington DC) Beltway region; I had a Nokia Series 40 phone in Israel, and IIRC an Ericsson that I was using in Germany and the UK, switching SIMs. Before "Convergence" I had four phone numbers (plus my two office lines in Israel and Virginia, with my PA working at the latter) and was constantly lugging around a briefcase worth just of hardware, what with my PowerBook G3 "Wall Street" and 4-5 modules for it, the Handspring cradle, the Visor and its plugins (4?), the Nokia and the Ericsson, transformers for charging everything, and a little kit with AC outlet and telephone adapters to keep me connected as I trotted the globe. The Visor Phone was the worst telephone, but I loved it best because it was right there in my breast pocket.

@@graynewetzky6430 I had little resources for buying a laptop or "full computer" during university, and I remember typing reports etc on my HandSpring Visor with my Stowaway keyboard... Also remember the BEST game "Billiards" *(or something), first mobile game emulating physics I used! Lovely times!

This is the comment I was looking for

almost forgot about the Sony Clie, I remember using that for a while I think I still own mine.

And T-Mobile sidekick

Glad to know If Apple did give credit to Springboard.

@@terigcreatives Would be great if they gave credit to anything lol

Sounds more like Jobs was just rubbing it in their faces … If Jobs/Apple wanted to give them credit they would have bought them out and have them developing the product in house

lol no. apple was taunting them

@@0x0michael no they were not, the company was dead by the release time and this was almost certainly named by it's developer/developer team.

You could have used a BlackBerry

@@BTW... i use a blackberry lol

AT&T and ONLY AT&T for at least a year. I remember that AT&T would send physical paper bills to their customers with itemized use info. After using the iphone consumers would literally get 50 and 60 page bills sent to their homes.

@@Rocky-zy9el wild times