Space Harrier identical to the SATURN version.... drool.....

Agreed!

@Endoe ONE what?!? The fact that it was a strictly 3D system in precisely why PlayStation kicked everyone's ass. And Nintendo 64 did well in the US for the same reason. Your comment might have applied to the Japanese market, but certainly not in the west. 3D games is what everybody wanted at the time.

If they had dropped a Space Harrier/Hang On/Outrun 3-pack, it would have been a killer app.

@@cj694x2 Technically, the Playstation was an advanced 2D system, and a sprite pushing monster. The thing didn't even have a z-buffer, which is why it's geometry warped all over the place.

@Endoe ONE Virtua Racing was in arcades in 1992. Virtua Fighter in 1993. By the time the 32X hit, Daytona, VF2 and Sega Rally were already arcade hits as well. 3D games were definitely a thing, especially for Sega. I don't know where people get the idea that the Saturn was never going to have 3D capabilities, but that's not correct. I read articles back in '93 or '94 that had Sega talking about the Saturn as a machine that would be able to handle Model 1 arcade board games at home. Throughout their entire history, Sega has sought to bring the arcade experience home with all their consoles, so it seems ridiculous to think they would build a console incapable of playing their most current popular arcade games.

Super scaler had two high frequency 68k to do the bulk of the work i think. Maybe also some hardware sprite scaling chip? Anyway this was much more powerful when it was released than any home system.

I have no idea how this person could make so many videos about retro gaming but think scaling means the sprite is moving forwards and backwards in a 3D space wtf.

You spent all that time on this, and you’re corrected what he said, when he said exactly what you said. 😂

@@goatbone 0:35 it’s the most embarrassing thing on the internet where people try to get a dopamine rush from correcting the most pedantic things. He says exactly that it’s 2-D. So you’re manufacturing now, pedantic things to correct

@@MrShanester117 Except Sega Lord X didn't say what Pat Fer said. Sega Lord X said sprite scaling is when a sprite moves "forward" and "backward", and that's wrong because there is no "forward" or "backward" of a 2D image (because it has no Z axis). Sprite scaling is making a 2D image larger or smaller, which CAN give the IMPRESSION that it's moving "forward" and "backward", but games like Yoshi's Island has plenty of sprite scaling in it and nothing in that game is going "forward" or "backward" from the screen when a sprite gets larger or smaller.

Yeah very few Sega CD games really taxed the custom ASIC for scaling and rotation. But the ones that did are very impressive... Batman Returns is probably the single greatest example of what the Sega CD's custom hardware could do, I wish someone would explain in detail how they did the impressive wave effects in the water!! Soulstar is also incredible. Thunderhawk and Battlecorps made use of hardware scaling and rotation but they were more basic. Sonic CD had a software bug that made its 3D levels run slower than they should have, but it was an early attempt so meh, at least they tried. Cliffhanger was also pretty technically impressive. Oh and I'm pretty sure Silpheed used the ASIC to handle the scaled/rotated background. A lot of people think they were streaming in a video for that, but that's just not the case. Most of the CD is consumed by the CD audio tracks which are streaming during gameplay. They use the ASIC for the background and the Genesis VDP handles the spritework. Low-poly 3D objects are handled in software obviously, but I don't know if it is done on the sub or main CPU. You can actually see the ASIC struggle a bit on the background rendering in some of the more demanding levels, but its hard to say if that's a limitation of the hardware or the code itself. Either way it's still pretty technically impressive as a complete package. I wish more games used a scaled/rotated background, they could have built a Shining Force title around it, something that would look and feel halfway between SF II and III from a graphical standpoint. Oh and a Streets of Rage using the hardware could have looked and played a bit like a Guardian Heroes title, although not as fancy or colorful.

I think a lot of the issue was bandwidth, in Sonic CD any scenes using the scaling and rotation were limited to 256x224 at 20fps and often only scaled half the screen or less, because of the lack of bandwidth on the expansion port. Batman Returns looks good but even that isn’t a fully 60fps as far as I know, it looks like 30 or less to me. Most games would transfer data from the CD onto the Mega Drive’s RAM during loading screens and the 2D art would be rendered by the MD, removing the bandwidth issue. I also read that one of the reasons why FMV often wasn’t fullscreen was due to the same bandwidth limitations, as well as low CD-capacity and CD-reading speed.

​@@justanotheryoutubechanneldue to the genesis unfriendly and restrictive toward hardware expansion.

I'm still interested in seeing Street Fighter and some Neogeo fights like KoF on the 32X along with both TMNT games and other konami brawlers. I'm even interested in seeing 32X enhanced versions of the Streets of Rage games.

@The Monster Under Your Bed even a GBA game and the cancelled camache for the snes.

@The Monster Under Your Bed I see what you mean. However, every generation of software evolved over time and the 32x never got a chance. Virtua Fighter on the 32x is comparable to Battle Arena Toshinden. And even SLX said the 32x port was better than the Saturn one. I think Virtua Figher 2 could have got a decent port on the 32x. I'm sure it could have easily ran games like Rayman or Gex. Many of the 32x games are comparable to early PS1 games. A decent developer could have definitely pushed the 32x. If they fit Resident Evil 2 on a N64 cart I don't think it would have been impossible to fit Resident Evil on a 32x cart especially with the CD add on utilized.

@The Monster Under Your Bed oh yeah Rayman 2 was too advanced. I just imagine the combo of 32x/cd being capable of amazing things. The 32x could have handled the polygonal characters of, for example, Resident Evil, while the cut scenes and backgrounds could have been handled by the Sega CD. The combination had so much potential.

This is what I was hoping for back in the day.

Galaxy force 2 was amazing. My local arcade had the full rotating cabinet. If i ever win the lotto, im buying that thing.

@@gamingquarterly6353 Me too. Galaxy Force was like the Lamborghini of arcade games back in the days. Everything else just pale in comparison.

I would have loved to have seen a 32X version of OutRun. Probably would have been arcade perfect

@@abcmaya I think super hang on or after burner is the lamborghini of arcade cabinets.

I would agree with you in the early 90s. In hindsight though, I think the scaling was too limited. It was never implemented in racing games. The passing items seemed just Sprite swaps like on the Mega Drive. And Mode 7 aged badly on many games. Street Racer and F-Zero being the exception.

Mega cd should of been the answer to snes

@@sloppynyuszi I don't see mode 7 having aged so bad in f zero at all or pilot wings..simple fact was or is that the snes was so much more capable in this area of speciality than the genesis was capable of. I still love the genesis but I'm not blinkered to the obvious as well as failing to see how you can say f zero's scaling etc has aged badly.

@@peachycreations8787 f-zero is the exception I said. I love F-zero! And Street Racer is also very well done. I love Mario-Kart... on everything except SNES. I know it’s sacrilege to say this, but boy do I think Pilot Wings is ugly and not fun to play. My point wasn’t to say the Mega Drive is technically better than the SNES. Just saying that the scaling on SNES was limited and aged poorly. No one can debate the SNES is overall more powerful, and the game library is subjective. But it’s more like in the late 90s you couldn’t get me near a 16bit game after playing the a PlayStation. Now I’ll play a 16bit game over almost any of this pixelated choppy weirdness I used to think was technically amazing.

@@sloppynyuszi I can't say I agree regarding pilot wings as if we are taking it on gameplay merit alone it was for me at least magical. Sprite scaling in general was superior on the snes, be that contra alien wars or indeed the likes of axelay or castlevania iv with its amazing use of mode 7. I am Thankful of your reply though as you've kept a level head unlike most who would descend into some kind of fan boy arguments. I love both systems for their different game libraries and what they bought to game history. Incidentally you mentioning street racer made me smile as it was such a fun Mario kart style game. Snes Mario kart itself I loved but to be fair outside of battle mode I was trash at it lol. My love affair with the snes started due to street fighter.

Agree I love and grew up playing Space Harrier at the arcades and then getting it on my Sega master system. Also love After Burner

Power drift you mean? But yes totally!

@@orderofmagnitude-TPATP Yes very sorry! Power Drift modifying my post now!

@@MikeC-ps1tc lol. You cool.... no apologies needed my guy.

I want powerdrift on switch!!! And Outrunners FFS

@@BaxterRockyHolly surprised not out yet

Oh my God Game Sack? I LOVE YOU, JOE!

Waldenbooks. There's a deep cut. I bought a few Sega CD games from them. I think the 32X could have done a decent Outrun. 30fps but still quite playable.

Forever obsessed with that MEGA POWER!

gonna have to check your channel out. (Despite being a Liverpool fan)

@@benprastitis3341 😂😂 Thanks mate

LMAO, I literally just commented something similar like 30 seconds ago.

@@SuperballsSupervidsOnYT cool broh!

Until the Midway Collections, that really was the best way to play Stun Runner. It saddens me how overlooked that game was and still is.

The lynx has a lot of great games on it.

@@buckroger6456 It's one reason I keep lookin at getting an Evercade. Those Lynx collections are a big draw for me, especially on a better screen.

@@Mechanicoid if you have a laptop or PC just use that and hook it to your tv and use a Xbox or ps controller.

After the Megadrive launched and failed to overtake the PCEngine in Japan, Atari and Sega were in negotiations to team up for the US release of the MegaDrive. Apparently it was Atari marketing that came up with the name 'Genesis'. Epyx (creators of the Lynx) were pissed that Atari let slip a lot of key component details, but Atari thought that Sega might come on board as a software maker for the Lynx. Instead, Sega went to Atari's suppliers of color lcds and converted the Master System into the Game Gear. Imagine a universe where the negotiations didn't break down (if the Tramiels didn't have a reputation of screwing over every business partner they ever had), and we had an Atari-branded Genesis with Sega making After Burner, Outrun, and Space Harrier for the Lynx.

This. I played the hell out of that game in the arcade, and was seriously let down by the Megadrive/Genesis version (they used screenshots of the arcade version in some of the print ads) and came to terms with it considering they included a full season of races as well as the arcade mode. A 32X version would have been amazing, that being said I did play the hell out of Virtua Racing Deluxe on the 32X.

@@lazarushernandez5827 Same! I think the arcade game was the first game to give the player feedback through the steering wheel and some of the cabinets even shook you. I'd never played a game so immersive! I still enjoyed the MD/G port for the full championship season but since playing Batman Returns on the MCD/SCD I wondered what they could have done with the sprite scaling and that extra processing power. Perhaps by the time the 32X and Saturn came along the ship had sailed for Super Monaco as Sega had moved on to Virtua Racing and Daytona USA. Things moved so fast in the early to mid 90s. Still, it would have been a nice addition to the Astro City Mini but maybe those bikini girls wouldn't go down as well in the 2020s.

@@neilmclean1527 ha! She should be fine, she was in a full one piece. 😝

No love for Super Monaco GP!

I'm all ears

What made you get rid of your 32X? I still have mine and love the few games I do have for it.

@@buckroger6456 back then we didn't give a damn about conserve the systems. I bought a Saturn and literally gave the 32x to another random person. Circa 1995.

@@FiasaPower I guess I was the odd one out then lol. I made sure to keep my systems.

@@buckroger6456 wise decision, my friend. 25 yrs after, I regret badly.

It was an early Saturn title. I think it was Gael racer or something, but it was Rad Mobile

@@sloppynyuszi and the vehicles were all made with polygons instead of sprites. I remember enjoying it some time back.

@@bjraleigh1439 honestly, I don’t think it’s as bad as people make it out. The polygon textures are so low res I don’t think it looks that out of place. I didn’t notice until a bunch of youtubers pointed it out. When the game was relevant, I just thought it made the Saturn look weak as racing games looked better on PS1, especially until Sega Rally showed up.

@@sloppynyuszi they should have just kept it the same seeing the polygons didn't help the look. No idea how much effort/time went into it, but i think just about anyone would have preferred they just kept it the same and packed in another sega racing game or any sprite scaling sega arcade title with it on the disc. Though, at the time I too probably woudl have thought making the cars polygonal was the right move.

SOUL STAR was a monster game on SEGA CD sprite scaling galore and gothic graphics. Prob the best use of SEGA CD tech

Consider that in some cases hardware sprite scaling capabilities was little more than an extra/co-processor that excels at doing the math calculations (for example the SNES uses the SuperFX chip to help with polygons in StarFox as well as sprite scaling and rotation in Yoshi's Island), while other times it is custom boards to handle sprites, additional back ground layers etc.. The 32X had 2 32 bit processors running at over 3 times the speed of the MDs 68000 (22-23 MHz vs 7.6MHz), it had 4 math processors; 2 for multiplication and 2 for division, and it had its own graphics chip, which augmented/added to the sprite, polygon and color capabilities of the Mega Drive. It was up to the task. The idea behind it was instead of charging extra for each cartridge that used Sega SVP chip (which bumped the Virtua Racing's price to $100), a one time add-on of $150 dollars that would have enhanced versions of title going forward would be better in the long run...the problem was the 32X didn't even make the short run.

That hummingbird shooter huh.

@@TheL1arL1ar yes, the hummingbird shooter.... It was the only game the shop I grabbed my 32x from had at the moment....

I still love the way the rocks look in Kolibri!

Had my 32X since 1996 and didn't get any games for it until for it until 2013 since none of the stores I went to back then had any games for it. now I have every game I wanted for it thanks to getting an everdrive x3 cart.

Shadow Sqaudron was an impressive polygon space shooter on it, Virtua Racing Deluxe, Star Wars Arcade... there are funs games on it.

No!!!!! Not wild woooooooddyyy

If you think about it, Panzer Dragoon was an evolution on the Space Harrier/AfterBurner formula. Those games were a blast to play, so superscalar Panzer Dragoon could have too.

@@lazarushernandez5827 Exactly! Heck, they even made Panzer Dragoon Mini for the Game Gear, the 32X could've done a very cool Panzer Dragoon with super scaling.

Imagine if it would of come out on Sega Saturn?

@@CubamusPrime That would have been Clayfighter Extreme. Too bad they haven't finished any game in the series for more than 20 years.

Thank goodness for everdrive carts when game carts go for way too high a price. 💲💰💸

The Sega CD was weak. If you look at some of them games it ran at 30fps.

@@CubamusPrime All the 32x super scalers also ran at 30FPS!

@@entertainmentwizard2703 yep so even Saturn scalers some ran at 30fps.

@@CubamusPrime Point is I think the Sega CD was under tapped for it's potential, like the 32x!

@@entertainmentwizard2703 yeah what a waste. That SOUL STAR was amazing game.

Shame sega cannot even develop a scaler game until later in the add-on lifespand.

That'd just be a Saturn.

@@Hamdad It wouldn't be even close to a Saturn. It would have just been a £500+ console addon that even less people would have bought.

I am sure the did but was only a prototype. could be wrong though

And the tragedy was that the criminally underused CD was actually just as capable of scaling and rotation using it specialized ASIC-DSP. Worse, it could help the Genesis draw 256 out of 1536 colors in S/HM at 60fps or even go up to 320x448i with arcade quality sound. Soulstar, AH3, Sonic CD, Cliffhanger, and Batman Returns showed what the existing machine was really capable of: mid-90s AAA titles that would end up on the PlayStation and PC because if Sega's insane decisions and crazy, changing roadmap.

I think the best sprite scaling games on Sega CD are from Core Design. I remember some discussion about the Sega CD Asic, and it was performance limited by mega drive ram bandwith

Sega of America? 3D became a focus because Sega's arcade division was putting out cutting edge games; Virtua Racing in 92, followed by Virtua Fighter, and Daytona USA, these were developed in Japan. You know that all decisions for the U.S./Western market were at the very minimum approved by the CEO/President of Sega of Japan right? Tom Kalinske had authority to run the western market given to him by Sega of Japan. The 32X was ultimately asked for and approved by Sega of Japan because they were worried the Atari Jaguar would take market share from the Saturn before it showed up. It's final form was decided between a standalone console (Mars) and the add on we got. They rushed the 32X to market just so they could get Doom a week before the Jaguar did. I enjoyed my 32X at the time, but maybe Sega should have been doubly cautious. At worse SoA shares the blame equally with SoJ... but in reality a greater share of the blame falls on SoJ, they had the last word.

@@lazarushernandez5827 Yes. Sega of America saw no interest in 2D games around the point that 3D was coming and wanted to primarily focus on those capabilities since their competition was doing the same, and even Sega of Japan's 3D arcade games were gaining a lot of attention. Sega of Japan were just focused on getting out 32 bit hardware regardless of 2D or 3D capabilities. They just wanted to create a powerful machine, while Sega of America wanted 3D games that could annihilate all competition, and keep the Genesis safe. Even the idea of making the 32X a stand-alone console pissed off Sega of America, which resulted in it's add-on concept. The 32X was Sega of America's idea from the get-go. Sega of Japan was focused on the Saturn. All this did was put Sega at competition with itself. It was all nonsense. Even though most of the decisions were made by Sega of Japan, it was not without argument from Sega of America, who Japan trusted from a business perspective given the success of the Genesis, which only made things worse. A lot of times Sega of Japan questioned it.

It might have been the only one when it was released?

90s is the golden age of gaming.

I think we got the answer. That the 32x should not have been pushed at all. It just hurt the sales of the Saturn, and wasn't going to be able to compete with Playstation, and the upcoming 64. Sega already had the CD add on they could support.

@@zackerychapman7193 Pushed as in "Let's see what this thing is fully capable of!"