video full of dribble. Honestly, its a bunch of BS. Viewing morality as a tool of the masters to keep slaves in check is giving people a green light to justify immoral things like harming others . Morality is what keeps society together, remove it, there is chaos.
@AlexAnastaso2 жыл бұрын
Morality is survival instict, morallity was there before human started walking in 2 legs. Elephants killing lions without the need for food if the pride approches, we were there first we resent u because u kill our babies or force us to become food. If u define the defense correct u decrease value from agreesors 2. My big point : A killer that walks in a house to steal is unnacceptable, someone that kills the person that trying to steal is acceptable, both of them are killers but societal morality sides with the second killer, soviets and nazis could not conquer the world because of the morality of the world. Even if you fail to defend yourself a big quanity of killers of the second kind can destroy the 'qualified killers of the first kind'. The big difference is that the majority does not recognizes in the first killer the right to kill, while they recognize the right to kill at the 2nd type of killer
@t30402 жыл бұрын
I tend to agree with mek86.2. What the video did was just provided a possible explanation out of many,, for existence of morality. It did not provide an alternative for humans to get along in a well-functioning society. What's the alternative? Typical philosophical trick to leave you with questions, not answers. Total BS!.
@joebenham272 жыл бұрын
It’s another mirror for collective self over-correction… which gets closer to correct with trial and error
@gc75342 жыл бұрын
@@t3040 Nietzsche died before he could develop his answer to these questions. His sister idolized him and took the notes and put her spin on it. The notes were published as a book, Will To Power, and because his sister was a fan of the nazis they then together and spread their own twisted interpretation of these questions and ideas. The master became the aryan ubermensch and everyone else were the slaves.
@qwertycized2 жыл бұрын
“Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.” ― Friedrich W. Nietzsche
@3Systems6Buster92 жыл бұрын
👏🏽. Reminds me of two wisdoms. 1. Resentment and revenge is like drinking a poison and expecting the other party to be harmed, and 2. the principle of polarity; everything in the universe has it's equal opposite (paraphrased, thus not quoted, from the emerald tablets, the teachings of Hermes Trismegistus a.k.a. Thoth)
@terrafirma93282 жыл бұрын
Nietzsche should know, he stared into the abyss much too long.
@ShawnJonesHellion2 жыл бұрын
Patrick starfish. the ultimate source of knowledge. i remember a girl who watched that stuff. well remember is a bad word as even after 5 years there wasn't any substance to remember cept being told there was something in that empty shell in order to come around it
@adamseward47132 жыл бұрын
What happens when fighting angels? Or are they just monsters in white robes? Or are monsters just angels with horns and a tail? 'When you gaze into the abyss within yourself, the abyss gazes also into you, and becomes confused and looks in the fridge to see if there is any ice cream left.
@njkauto23942 жыл бұрын
@@adamseward4713 LOL 😆 Thank you for that piece of beautiful humour. Much needed. I'm going to stop reading now and check out the contents of my refrigerator.
@eduvenger2 жыл бұрын
This is really mind boggling. I think we can portray anything good and evil in different ways. It is all so much complex
@ShawnJonesHellion2 жыл бұрын
thats coming from someone who beats kids into believing in flying glow in the dark invisible reindeer as their God whos land must be handed over for. straight up psychosis.
@eduvenger2 жыл бұрын
@@ShawnJonesHellion I feel a bit offended at your Curt reply . I know you might hate christmas and you think us psychotic , but it is okay to pretend for the sake of making life a bit interesting and easy . It would be very hard to live when you focus only on reality. Reality is hard
@G-host0069 Жыл бұрын
@@eduvenger reality is fun when you learn how to play it 🎉
@UN1VERS3S Жыл бұрын
Life is really simple, but men insist on making it complicated. -Confucius
@laaaliiiluuu Жыл бұрын
It's a spectrum. Everyone is partly slave or master. Some are just very far on the extreme ends of the spectrum.
@thegreenmamba1002 жыл бұрын
I always like reading the comments after videos like this. Lots of thoughtful responses to a well presented topic
@mrxi333 Жыл бұрын
Psh I read em WHILE watching
@hlicj2 жыл бұрын
Isn't the point that slave morality reverses the power relations? Meekness, weakness, obedience become virtues and their power is in shaming the masters into self-doubt. There is no right or wrong in this reasoning, it is just a mechanism of power relations. Note that the new masters are the old slaves and the circle might repeat? The balance point is never achieved as it is unstable.
@mrbabluep2 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@laviniaciupe2 жыл бұрын
I also agree with him, but i consider this morality thing quite smart because, back then, it was a survival mode, we just need to update for this days
@hafezshirazi39452 жыл бұрын
exactly . power relations is never going to reach an end , that is the point that explains underlaying reasons in raise and fall of fascism governments. that eternal circle is the story of humanhistory.
@tonyromero132 жыл бұрын
Nietzsche's Master/Slave morality idea is Atheistic & Materialistic from what I got from this video. Man's problems are deeper than just power relations they're actually Spiritual.
@BJ520915 ай бұрын
@@tonyromero13the claim that they’re spiritual is itself an attempt to circumvent the core issue and reframe it in a way that serves the claimant’s purposes, thus proving Nietzsche’s point that everything is Will to Power.
@hafsabatool88952 жыл бұрын
I read Nietzsche's book about slave molarity but It's hard for me to explain it to everyone they think i am talking evil things but this video can help me a lot to explain things thanks sprouts
@HenryCasillas2 жыл бұрын
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@mipslp60282 жыл бұрын
They are using Morality against your powerful thoughts xD
@BillFromTheHill1002 жыл бұрын
No...its evil.
@MRDX-ej4yq2 жыл бұрын
@@BillFromTheHill100 why is that
@BillFromTheHill1002 жыл бұрын
@@MRDX-ej4yq because evil exists. Every culture that has ever been believed in good and evil Ying yang. What makes us believe we know better?
@jeremiahmarkusmedia69152 жыл бұрын
Philosophy is so much more digestible with visuals and music . Thanks for the content
@UnderBridge2 жыл бұрын
lol indeed
@LifeTheExperience2 жыл бұрын
My professor gave me a B when I wrote on this fact that while Jews were crossing the desert into Egypt, there was no way it needed to take 40 years, and I got into the reasons why Moses would've chosen to do this. It meant a generation or two was born free, while the older generation still had the slave mentality that needed to be killed off. As Moses could not and would not order his men to slaughter the older generation, they were given orders to wander in the desert until this mentality had died off. Once they arrived near the land which would be known as Israel, the story will tell it that Moses struck the rock for water, and was punished for this action. However, while this action was necessary, Moses himself was still part of the old leadership as well, and could not rightfully enter Israel and lead these people with that mentality. Thus, generations upon generations of Israel never knew what it meant to be slaves, though the traditions in the desert have taught us that we were once slaves, but that should not be our mentality.
@royanque83742 жыл бұрын
Moses didn't choose to wander the desert for 40 years. He was just following the cloud pillar. The cloud (God) wasnt trying to shake off the slave mentality. He was trying to shake Egypt out of Israel. Moses was punished for thinking it was through his power that water came out of the rock. He didnt "glorify God before Israel". I'll stop right here, but if your goal was to give a unique and creative take on the Exodus, you've done an OK job.
@LifeTheExperience2 жыл бұрын
@@royanque8374 Always love a good discussion. Thank you for approving my professor's grade of a B. But it seems there was a point you missed as this wasn't about the unique and creative take on the Exodus so much as it was an actual analysis of Nietzsche's Master vs. Slave mentality in comparison to the Hebrews escape from Egypt. Even when you state, these two lines: The cloud (God) wasn't trying to shake off the slave mentality. He was trying to shake Egypt out of Israel. They could mean the same thing metaphorically. Having had the privilege of studying with some great Rabbis who showed me a room of thousands of books, mostly commentaries containing millenia of commentary from dead Rabbis who were discussing with each other exactly what happened in the desert, which the Torah or Bible doesn't get into full detail about. Moses was a leader and commander, therefore it would make sense that he had spies travel ahead of the rest of the group to ensure their safety. Knowing this, he had to know that the land of Israel wasn't far ahead, which means he wasn't following his own orders, but considering he was "the highest in command", whose orders then was he following? So you are correct in your theory that he didn't "glorify God before Israel" and it is still sticking to the point of my original thesis of saying that Moses was part of the OLD LEADERSHIP, the OLD MENTALITY, considering that he was technically born a slave and even lived among slaves even when he wasn't treated like one, and this goes back to your two-line statement which seems a metaphor. And concluding that, there must have been a reason this moment needed to happen in order to ensure that Israel itself was not established with a "slave mentality". Thus, Moses served his purpose and would have not been able to enter Israel regardless of his "glorifying God before Israel". And by no means, there doesn't seem to be a disagreement among us, but you've actually proven my point even further than may you have realized.
@JohnBKerkhoven2 жыл бұрын
A lot of poppycock about why Moses did this or that, while no evidence is given and the bible is silent on the topic. Religion is really like a penis: Give it enough lubrication and you can slip into any discussion. God of the gap
@royanque83742 жыл бұрын
@@LifeTheExperience well I have a couple of problems with Nietzsche's take on this. One is that he seems to suggest that the morality of Israel evolved out of their slavery in Egypt. It cannot be. Because the laws that govern Israel came from God, unless we're to deny what the Torah said, coz why refer to it in the first place? Second, the attitude of Israel towards God's leading through Moses was the furthest thing from "slave mentality". They resisted authority directly on many occasions. They didn't use a "slave morality" to shame or "put Moses (the authority figure) in his place". They used coarse language, passive-aggressive behavior and even resorting to violence at one point, threatening to take Moses and Aaron's lives at the very border of Canaan. They were rebellious many many times. They didn't learn to "behave like good, lowly slaves" in front of the leadership of (God through) Moses, even though God showed them numerous times how powerful (and scary) He is. The "slave mentality" was supposedly the very thing they needed to go along with them to reach the promised land and would've been the last thing that needed to be shaken out of them through the 40 years of desert wandering.
@LifeTheExperience2 жыл бұрын
@@JohnBKerkhoven Call it what you will, it's a lot older than you are, evidence or not. Powerful enough to keep it going.
@gnuPirate2 жыл бұрын
This was so so cool. The drawings are amazing, the whole thing is a great production. Thanks Sprouts and Mr. Hicks. I look forward to the other Nietszche episodes in this series.
@trishcusworth49502 жыл бұрын
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@trishcusworth49502 жыл бұрын
You would be wiser to read mere christianity. You are on the wrong path wit Nietzsche. He went mad in the end.
@trishcusworth49502 жыл бұрын
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@UN1VERS3S Жыл бұрын
Nietzsche's so called "slave virtues": Humility, Patience, Forgiveness, are way more than just for survival. They're virtues one must have to lead a happy, healthy and meaningful life. Science teaches how to survive in life, Philosophy and Theology teaches how to live the best life.
@UN1VERS3S Жыл бұрын
@@trishcusworth4950exactly, but we can get something valuable from him.
@kinderbueno90182 жыл бұрын
You can see why the Nazis latched on to this. It gives a legitimacy that a master race does on the basis that they are just a superior human who can do whatever they want because they are a master race. Why are they a master race? Turns out when you have overwhelming and violent force you can't be questioned or opposed. I have a real problem with this train of thought because it seems as if because somebody is superior their superiority should not be questioned, if people oppose that superiority then that's just resentment. It's almost a way of somebody to be an unassailable 'alpha' in the manner that they are horribly insecure about the actual power and authority they hold.
@caseygreyson41782 жыл бұрын
You hit this right on the head. Especially the last part.
@yudelko2 жыл бұрын
why oppose to master ?....just kill him and take his place ....😉
@LeviathantheMighty2 жыл бұрын
You don't want disparities to become too large or psychopathic types to get the upper hand because then you have corruption. You want a decentralization of power, as much of an even playing field as possible.
@JohnDoe-vi1im2 жыл бұрын
As far as i know, the Nazis misinterpreted Nietzsche. I don't know much about him, but this video series resonates strongly with me. Not because of what the "master" could do, but because of what the "slave" does. Sitting on a high moral horse often has more to do with the desire for power, jealousy, greed, etc. than with justice. I know that from personal experience. And i know that "slave"-types often weren't mistreated themselfes, but instead are afraid of that happening AND are more likely to mistread others, who are even weaker than them. In my defintion a "master" doesn't have to be abusive because he has the confidence and strength to achieve something in his life without walking over others. I would rather trust a "master", than a "slave" and this isn't coming from the perspective of a strong person, i know better what abuse means than most.
@kinderbueno90182 жыл бұрын
@@JohnDoe-vi1im Oh don't get me wrong, they did Nietzsche dirty, they quite willingly twisted his work but it is easily twistable to be fair.
@ilzamerson52422 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the thoughts about morality. I honestly believe that humans may develop ethics to a level that recognises each persons values in a constructive way, so we may learn with one another, not destroy each other.
@matycee2 жыл бұрын
well that's naive of you, isn't it...
@ilzamerson52422 жыл бұрын
@@matycee No. It is possible, actually very mature and racional. There is a lot of philosophy involved. You should read an american one called Jordan Peterson and get a better notion of it.
@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii61492 жыл бұрын
@@matycee It's hardly naive. If anything, such optimism is the only way to get anywhere.
@ramaraksha012 жыл бұрын
Bosh! Might Makes Right and that is the Truth The top religions of the day OPENLY promote Nazi ideas of hate & division, have reduced their followers down to groveling slaves down on their knees begging for mercy, shaking with fear and live like shameless prostitutes/gigolos/leeches
@lievenyperman93632 жыл бұрын
@@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149 I absolutely agree. It is so sad to see that optimism is so often ridiculed. You are right, only by believing things can get better will we pay attention to how we may achieve it.
@Jspore-ip5rk2 жыл бұрын
Man I jumped out of my bed in satisfaction at the very beginning of the video. The rest of the video was an exhilarating listen and watch. The content summarizes the issue I have with society at large.
@trishcusworth49502 жыл бұрын
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@Johnconno2 жыл бұрын
Society couldn't care less.
@omoeyami97422 жыл бұрын
The accuracy In this video is astounding, I think people aren't born with slave/master morality I think these things are learnt or taught in most cases , Just yesterday I heard a friend of mine say he could have approached a girl on our guys night out but he was waiting for someone to make the first move ,while on the other hand I just go in and go with the flow , the fact that others are doing something actually discourages me from also doing it ,while it's the opposite for most people
@linwang99052 жыл бұрын
Well, interestingly, Chinese societies developed such moralities without being enslaved by another race. Humility, kindness, etc, are important rules for people to follow to have a functioning society. One can be strong (adult) at one point in his life but weak at others (child and elderly). It is wise to protect the moral codes while you're strong so you're protected when you're weak.
@SomeWiseGuy.2 жыл бұрын
True! Nietzsche was a narcissist so he didn't try to think on how the world works but rather how he can justify his own feeling of superiority over others. He made up things like sheep's and wolves and slave morality to justify his behaviour and the idea in his head that he was superior. If you think his ideas through to their logical conclusion you can see that without morals no society is possible. Morals are nothing but rules to follow rules that make society possible while keeping your environment habitable
@conquistadorcrabton52652 жыл бұрын
What about individual judgement and individual satisfaction? it is probably more moderate and more natural than you are assuming it to be.
@nihtris16402 жыл бұрын
@@SomeWiseGuy. Nietzsche was aware of the outcome that discarding our current morals would be dangerous. His many writings on the emergence of Nihilism following the "death of god" (the decay of current moral systems is an unavoidable necessity because of it) show how much he feared our current predicament. It is why his thoughts do not end there. "Here I am now sitting and waiting, old broken tablets around me and also new half-written tablets"(Thus spoke Zarathustra), is a rough translation. It shows that we should not only discard our old morals but create new ones to replace them. "God is dead! God stays dead! And we have killed him! How do we console ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? The holiest and most powerful thing the world had so far has bled to death under our knives. "(The gay science), is a rough translation. Those words again show how fearfull he was about the prospect that we would have to live without real morals until our "new half-written tablets" are done. His idea of the "Übermensch" speaks against your point as well. He thought of humans (himself included) to be nothing but a bridge to a higher future being. As something which must be overcome but whichs existence is necessary for the process.
@nihtris16402 жыл бұрын
@@conquistadorcrabton5265 You are correct. One has to consider from where altruism originates. Next to cultural altrism which the video discusses there is evolutionary altruism originating from war. More individuals than ressources are present, the individuals already formed groups because they are beneficcial to survival and most of genetic exchange takes place inside of the different groups rather than outside. Fights over some ressources between some individuals break out and all individuals fight in groups because it is an advantage. The group whichs individuals work together more effectively eradicates the other group. Do this a few thousand times and you get an altruistic species. In short: there is a case to be made for the existece of biological altruism forged through genocide and war.
@alaron56982 жыл бұрын
They may not have been enslaved by other races, but they hardly had an egalitarian society. Think of how many died buildig The Great Wall because no one cared about their survival. And if you were an emperor or noble, you could basically do as you wished with the lower classes, and they could do nothing in return. Not that much different from a master/slave dynamic, really. It doesn't need to be another race that enslaves you - if you have masters that can do whatever they want to you and you cannot do anything in return, this mentality emerges.
@leroyjenkins48112 жыл бұрын
Great job! This video is awesome at explaining this concept. I’ve tried to explain this to several people over the course of my life and it was something they just could not grasp. They never could grasp that slave mentality isn’t a physical set of circumstances, it’s a self imposed and self regulating prison for your mind based on how your parents taught you to deal with problems. They really thought I was talking about slavery when in reality I was talking about self imposed limits one places on their own mind and potential.
@cosmicspacething3474 Жыл бұрын
It’s a combination of both
@IM-qy7mf2 ай бұрын
Is it that they couldn't understand or that they either disagreed with you or you simply did a poor job at explaining yourself (perhaps thinking that the idea could sell all by itself)?
@danielremete42142 жыл бұрын
I prefer René Girard's perspective on morality. In his view morality is a kind of tool to prevent the escalation of violence in communities. The violence which is based on rivalry and imitating desire of the others. Naturally in a community where there are no moral rules violence will appear and destroy everything. Nietzsche's view is a kind of ideological perspective for me and it is fueled by hatred of religion. Girard's view is more practical for me and still does not neglect the dark side of human kind.
@khill86452 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure you do his ideas justice, but if we take your word for it, I'm not sure such ideas are any better - morality as a violence-prevention tool seems just as cynical as Nietzsche's view, but perhaps even worse. His is based around survival, while your assertion about Girard's perspective makes it sound like violence, not cooperation, is the default state of human interaction.
@Laotzu.Goldbug2 жыл бұрын
Girard has some interesting and insightful ideas, but also a whole bunch of them that are clearly a product of his own pathological mindset
@danielremete42142 жыл бұрын
@@khill8645 The default state of human interaction based on Girard's view is the imitation of the other's desire and yes this can lead to rivalry or even to violence. He says rules are created to prevent the escalation of violence and to enhance a peacfull cooperation But of course not all kinds of interactions lead to violence, especially if you interact on the basic morality (compassion, love, selflesness, generousity etc.) which is in the root of all traditional spiritual ways. Anyway Girard's view, is just a way to see the need of rules/morality and for me it just seems logical that moral rules are the basics of peacful cooperation with others. So morality is not fueled by hatred or resentiment and it is not for the stupid slave sheeps but morality is fueled by the common will of peacefull living together.
@danielremete42142 жыл бұрын
@@Laotzu.Goldbug oh yes, you are right we all have some strange mindset and we project our own mindset into our stories we tell about our so called reality... but still it is interesting to play with theories, isnt it? :) and to determine in a story the influence of personal mindset and personal distortions is a nice challenge and sometimes we can find true wisdom in these stories... and seeking truth is a very valuable effort
@choosecarefully4082 жыл бұрын
@@khill8645 1) No over-arching sets of rules are 'justice.' You _have to_ judge everything separately on their own merits, each time anew. 2) N. doesn't go far enough. His basics are great, but apply to individuals within groups of a certain size who see their oppressors & have to deal with them on a constant basis. What happens when 'your own group' are the oppressors & you can do nothing about it? The need for an outlet will still exist. Americans for instance (all Western nations really) are bullied by their political leaders. We get fined for littering, while they allow their cronies to damage entire ecosystems for Fun & Profit. We go to prison for embezzlement, they use their public office to give our tax $ to their cronies who then share Immense Personal Fortunes back. Since Americans (& indeed, again, applies to the citizens of all Western nations) are cowards at heart with no balls to stand up to mere authority (key word here _FIGURES,_ they hate themselves & take this out on everyone else: Blacks, whoever 'Government' says & *everyone* 'Government' says. Literally, speaking against government makes you a target. Maddie de Garay possibly lost all quality of life due to untested products being mandated, or at least because everyone felt coerced to take them. _That's_ not a crime, but her mother telling us about this is in the minds of Americans. Only with a population too large to feel unified as a people do you get such dependence upon Authority _FIGURES_ do things get like this. There were Germans who fought against the Nazis in ways that risked their own lives throughout their reign. You can't get one American to act to save a child's life. Not if it means standing up to their One Perceived Protector.
@jahnavirai94432 жыл бұрын
I would have never known about such things if it was not you guys 👍👍
@MichelleVisageOnlyFans2 жыл бұрын
Some people go to school, where they get at least a general scoop of the main philosophical teachings, or better yet, pick up a (smart) book, every now and then! (not the one with Kardashian selfies - LOL!)
@rvirzi2 жыл бұрын
There is a third option - morality could be something built into us from the beginning and that is why most of us agree on it. Moral systems throughout time and geography show striking resemblances. This idea then begs the question - how did it get there? If you say God put it there, you have an absolute moral code beyond nature. If you say evolution put it there, then you must admit it was there long before society so Nietzche's explanation would not work. Just a thought.
@lunkerjunkie2 жыл бұрын
yes, look at a troop of baboons. they know who is superior and inferior. I reckon a felt sense in the nervous system has something to do with it.
@rvirzi2 жыл бұрын
@@lunkerjunkie Knowing who's in charge is driven by fear/agression - not conscience. It would be tough to argue that baboons agree on right and wrong behavior - not just accepted or customary but a sense of what "should" and "should not" be done.
@trenomas12 жыл бұрын
Thank you! This is so often ignored. Small groups self-organize without the need for explicit law. We could think of this as a law equilibrium.
@trenomas12 жыл бұрын
Heirarchy is highly fluid in neurology. We shift into roles of superiority and inferiority naturally and without much compunction in a natural state. Even with the same two people, one may be the authority on fishing while the other is the authority on woodworking. They tumble together in a fluid state of giving and recieving.
@thenotflatearth27142 жыл бұрын
societies with very different morality systems did exist (like the theological old Europe, isolationist Qing China, Viking raiders, Imperial Japan, Naughty Germany, USSR etc) did exist, but their morality systems make them less productive/reject scientific progress/barbaric warmongering or whatever, the societies bearing these moral codes tend to be absorbed by other societies bearing moral codes that permits them to outperform the former, in economic/scientific/military power, whether by revolutions, invasions or hierarchical collapse. Thus there is an evolution of societies just like an evolution of creatures
@KARMICHAEL112 жыл бұрын
Imagine being enslaved in your own “intelligence”, and never realizing it…
@ramaraksha012 жыл бұрын
The top religions of the day are clearly Master/Slave religions and yet none of their followers nor others seem to have a clue! "Commandments, Submit, beg, obey, judge, wrath, punish, forgive, mercy, Fear" - ALL Slave/Servant words "God" sits on his throne in the Heavens, his Kingdom, Jesus is his prince, and this Kingdom is for loyal believers only How even the best and brightest can't see a God made in the image of the local King/Dictator, I will never know
@KARMICHAEL112 жыл бұрын
@@ramaraksha01 and in your intelligence… this is wrong? Better put, maybe, it “shouldn’t be”? By what standard? There are plenty with a “clue” as you put it, I’m familiar with many of those in the Christian camp, and they gladly acknowledge this hierarchy. On what premise can you prove they are wrong to think so? If you use their own system, you’re arguing a satanic philosophy, almost verbatim of the serpent/garden/knowledge account in Genesis, examined well in the gospels in Christ’s teachings wherein they have their rational rejection of your claim, unless you have some proof. That’s what I mean by not realizing you’re enslaved to your own intelligence; you paint oversimplistic pseudo-Christianity as the easy case study for Nietzsche’s theory (much like he does above) so you can then argue some morality system of your own which actually offers nothing better in exchange for what it denounces. Nietzsche at least recognized this replacement problem with postmodern thought, but your zeal against some false dichotomy really just shows you want a world where no one can tell you what to do, should do, or can do. That’s terribly unoriginal. Read Romans 8:17 and explain how that fits this straw man of yours, just don’t forget context.
@ramaraksha012 жыл бұрын
@@KARMICHAEL11 "where no one can tell you what to do, should do, or can do" Christians are claiming they alone are right, everyone else is wrong. How are they any different from a Putin, a Hitler, a Kim Jong-un, Communist countries also said the same thing! Walk me thru this morality sir. A Hindu, Christian and an Atheist die at the same time - tell me what happens I am seeing the Hindu and Atheist being set apart & being dumped into gas chambers in hell - their "Crime" being their belief So now you are justifying Nazi ideas of hate You are justifying Racism We are more than just belief We are Doctors, Teachers, Soldiers, Scientists, Fathers, mothers, sons, friends, lovers, loving families - belief is just one aspect of who we are as people But Christians and Muslims are saying all the above does not matter - works are not enough - morals, values do not matter, the only thing that matters is religion
@KARMICHAEL112 жыл бұрын
@@ramaraksha01 this is not argumentation; you’ve yet to express to me by what standard you’re making these value statements. What’s funny is that you appear to have missed that your post is actually serving as a proof of the original post, as explained by my reply. That’s the problem ; “super intelligent” people not having the fortitude or objectivity to ask themselves what they are subconsciously believing as their standard of value assessment. It’s literally impossible to answer your question because I have no way of knowing what premise you’re claiming. Fun point, all those positions and occupations require systems of hierarchy and authority to function properly, which is itself a master/slave extrapolation by Nietzsche’s definition.
@ramaraksha012 жыл бұрын
@@KARMICHAEL11 I feel like I am a Jew talking to a Nazi - these ideas are not that hard to understand - talking about "what standard" - by what standard do you judge Nazis as evil? By what standard do you judge Racists as evil? I am saying Christians & Muslims promote the SAME hateful ideas, but since this is YOUR religion pushing this hate, you have gotten blinders Let me mention Caste - I bet your standards are caught up now
@joanofarc10022 жыл бұрын
"Losers strike back against the successful." . .... Why does the slave owner considered successful ? Can we have a similar analysis on why he felt in the first place the need to subjugate people by force ? And is it not smart to use anything in your power to not be enslaved ? Even if that is morality ? And when the slaves win back ; are they not the succesful one the slave owners despise
@raptorrogue42272 жыл бұрын
Well it's not that only weak people are moral. Strong people have morals too. And being moral when we are strong is the real sense of morality. Being moral when we are weak is just a mask to hide our weakness. It's almost similar to how a weak person cannot forgive a strong person, only a strong one can forgive the weak.
@walkdeep2 жыл бұрын
But wouldn't the strong person having morals sacrifice their inherent advantage to others. Having to follow the rules of all the sheep doesn't seem useful. It's like inhibiting. Nowadays with guns though, that is the great equalizer in strength. So those pathetic priests of old can go around carrying guns to mask their impotence.
@BvirtuallY5 ай бұрын
Neitz is suggesting if one appears a proud master after "inheriting" all "master" traits from one's merciless family, one is morally challenged by a "herd" of insanely bitter, spiteful, cowardly humans intent on challenging their morals and pride. To find the truth about actual morals, however, one should turn to one's own, quiet heart. It alone understands to be moral is to be unconditionally accepting, honest, empathetic, kind, forgiving, patiently giving and above all, TRUTHFUL with self and others: STARTING with the nearest "neediest" one (be it you or an other near you).* *All you must do to accomplish BOTH MASTERY AND MORALITY each moment of life is ask inwardly, "Which being here is plainly farthest from being wholely capable of helping themself?" Picture being in their body feeling what they're (or each one's) feeling. That's the one who needs any kind of help that's kind. As "them" what kindness would help, even just a little? Neitz tried rationalizing a reality that never was, at its source, reality. Perhaps our comments alone can start a chain of reasoning. Let's regather how we each are a missing piece to one and all, birthrighted with the manifestive collective gift of cooperative infinite creating.
@chrisr42202 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this one!
@WisdominQuotes2 жыл бұрын
"When we consider earlier periods, we must be careful not to fall into unjust abuse. The injustice of slavery, the cruelty in subjugating persons and peoples, cannot be measured by our standards. For the instinct for justice was not so widely developed then." ~~Friedrich Nietzsche
@MichelleVisageOnlyFans2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, he was an asshole sometimes. But overall a very smart man! 😆
@Jimraynor452 жыл бұрын
Yes, hopefully in the future, people will look at things like income tax and social security as unjust and destructive just as we look at slavery today.
@Jimraynor452 жыл бұрын
Also vaccine mandates
@ramaraksha012 жыл бұрын
Bosh! Might Makes Right even in the 21st century! The top religions of the day OPENLY PROMOTE NAZI IDEAS OF DIVISION & HATE Have reduced their followers down to groveling slaves down on their knees, shaking with fear, begging for mercy and live like prostitutes/gigolos/leeches do down here shamelessly sponging off their rich Sugar Daddies
@warmburny58432 жыл бұрын
@@Jimraynor45 really? Helping the elderly live out their golden years with dignity and some comfort is a bad thing? And after paying into the system with their own wages. Maybe they should just die and decrease the surplus population.
@yapper582 жыл бұрын
In my view, Nieztsche is amoral. There is no good or evil, just questions of power, who has it and who doesn't. The only question is how does a person attain power and keep it? Social interactions aren't questions of morality, but questions of who gets to indulge their will over others and who doesn't. This is Nietsche's concept of "will to power", i.e. getting what you want when you want it. I find this view unacceptable and deplorable, but according to Nieztche that is just my own desire to feel morally superior to others...heh.
@I_Ace2 жыл бұрын
I see what you are saying. It lacks a certain empathy and is more psychopathic and lacks conscience
@jimmysmith7362 жыл бұрын
Exactly lol that’s why it’s all so interesting
@sub-harmonik Жыл бұрын
I think this concept by nieztsche is descriptive, not prescriptive. Personally I do think that there is a prescriptive morality if you accept certain axioms though.
@mingthan7028 Жыл бұрын
Becz evil always seems more powerful.
@manniking2332 жыл бұрын
ContraPoints introduced me to this concept. Loving the deep dive into it.
@hughmungous33572 жыл бұрын
contrapoints wants to shame ppl into accepting him as a woman even if they think he is ugly and doesn't look like a woman. He is an epitome of slave morality.
@user-kd3gz1hl1e2 жыл бұрын
The baizuo radlibs are the epitome of slave morality imo
@gnomeimporta6912 Жыл бұрын
Such a breathing example of it, explaining it, is pretty funny.
@freesk82 жыл бұрын
A good morality should be about respecting the individual. About not making the first use of physical force. About respecting and protecting the rights to life, liberty and property of all peaceful people. Just because morality has been used for bad or unhealthy purposes in difficult times, does not mean that all morality must be bad.
@tem78222 жыл бұрын
I think both.. Could be use for getting along but could be use as a weapon too..
@mohammedajmal38196 ай бұрын
Great explanation ❤
@sprouts6 ай бұрын
Keep learning ;)
@skullharvester2 жыл бұрын
Morality is something that can save you a real deal of pain and confusion in your life - or cause so much pain and hatred towards everything and anyone. It can be a slave collar or the greatest crown.
@ramaraksha012 жыл бұрын
Might Makes Right and that is the Truth The top religions of the day OPENLY PROMOTE NAZI IDEAS, have reduced their followers down to groveling slaves down on their knees, shamelessly live like prostitutes/gigolos/leeches and not one educated person has a clue
@redpillsatori30202 жыл бұрын
There’s a difference between caring about others, but being assertive and not letting others mistreat you, and pushing your morality on others or using shame and morality as an emotionally manipulative way to bludgeon people into conformity like many sociopaths do
@ramaraksha012 жыл бұрын
@@redpillsatori3020 What about religion? Either you are with us or else! AND THEY SAY THIS OPENLY! Billions of people - women, children, even babies, loving families - all to be set apart based on religion, just as the Jews were & dumped into gas chambers in hell! AND NOT ONE EDUCATED OR MORAL PERSON HAS HAD A PROBLEM WITH SUCH NAZI IDEAS OF HATE
@ShawnJonesHellion2 жыл бұрын
@@ramaraksha01 if your family an kings Jeffery Epstein, Barak Obama, Donald Trump, Dr Fauchi, Mark Zuckerberg, Google, hollywood etc were burnt in fire then how are you still alive? 😳😺
@Kirin20222 жыл бұрын
You are correct. As any Catholic or Orthodox confessor or wise Protestant pastoral counselor can tell you, it depends on whether that moral code is conditioned by a healthy spirituality or an unhealthy one. Militant atheists can be just as much slaves as any religious fundamentalist or rigorist, just to different false gods. Nietzsche was a slave to a theory of his own creation and he died not as a free man, but one very much oppressed.
Don't hurt others, but do not inhibit yourself, act naturally. That is my rule of morality, sucks when I can't abide by it. Then the conflict ensues, one way or another, I get back to the first points.
@jimmyhoffman69322 жыл бұрын
I will agree that I am sick and tired of the masters breaking the law while sending the slave to prison for doing the exact same thing. I was told that I had a problem with authority but what I discovered was that authority had a problem with me. Example. Telling a cop he doesn't have the legal authority to do what he's doing but he violates the law anyway and the judge backs him on his lawlessness.
@j.p.vanbolhuis86782 жыл бұрын
Well according to Nietsche that is all perfectly acceptable. After all holding the master accountable to the same standard as his slave, is just a slave morality imposed by the inferior majority upon the superior man. The Übermensch. History has shown how lovely the consequences of dividing the world in "Übermensch" (superior man) and "Untermensch" (inferior man) are.
@GUMMYITALIAN2 жыл бұрын
@@j.p.vanbolhuis8678 I think it's false to assume that this is merely the product of slave morality. This first starts from 'Master Morality'. The unconscious assumption that other beings exist to serve you.
@j.p.vanbolhuis86782 жыл бұрын
@@GUMMYITALIAN Exactly the point I was trying to make. Nietsche was trying to make societal norm be things purely designed to hold back the Superior Man by the inferior men. Such norms came from slave mentality and as such reprehensible. Nietsche in that aspect considered the Ubermensch not to be bound by rules made for inferior creatures...
@danthesquirrel2 жыл бұрын
This may be nit picky but... Jews were never enslaved in ancient Egypt. It is in the bible but after exhaustive archeological searches there have been no records or garbage or anything to suggest Jews were ever even there. There is also lots of evidence to suggest that ancient Egypt society wasn't slave based but derived most of it's labor used as a form of taxation from citizens (very unequal citizens but not really slaves either). Philosophy is sort of the crutch for those that were not enriched with evolutionary psychology. It's kind of like comparing magic to Newtonian physics. Once you have physics it's kind of hard to go back (unless we are just talking about dressing up in costumes and playing make believe; in which case, right on).
@deathbanana8882 жыл бұрын
Slavery, like not paying someone for their labour, which is a little like when you don't pay Anna Akana's brother for his work he did for you after being promised a wage in exchange for his labour
@thelastwriter40002 жыл бұрын
Facts
@thirumalvijai4732 жыл бұрын
Now we aren't living in the fear of morality. But still some people are afraid of what would become if we aren't listening to our masters (it could be our bosses, parents, neighbours, friends, close relatives etc). This makes us to stop who we are by becoming slaves to the masters. So what could be the reasons of becoming slaves even though if we aren't obeying someone who are ordering us to do something?
@UN1VERS3S Жыл бұрын
Nietzsche's so called "slave virtues": Humility, Patience, Forgiveness, are way more than just for survival. They're virtues one must have to lead a happy, healthy and meaningful life. Science teaches how to survive in life, Philosophy and Theology teaches how to live the best life.
@hunterluxton5976 Жыл бұрын
What a fantastic synopsis. 👏 clear succinct and superbly explained.
@sprouts Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@sweetgeorgia702 жыл бұрын
For me morality means much more people's cooperation with each other and not exploiting each other. It also means that lying and manipulation is not an acceptable form of communication. Also the abuse of another person in any form is not okey. It also means that we respect each other and accept each other's indivudiality.
@brendamorales51792 жыл бұрын
Incredible work. You really explain the idea in a very comprenhensive way. I have suffered a lot because I have not been educated for being a slave and I do not know why; I learned to criticize and to live without religion's oppression. But, in my country, where people was conquered by spanish people, religion says what to think and what to do. It makes things not easy for me.
@sprouts2 жыл бұрын
Glad this resonated. And good luck 🍀
@thelife88362 жыл бұрын
This is whats going on in our country in a different face.☹. This series is so helpful 💪💪
@reubenmorris4872 жыл бұрын
This is how we're being raised. Parents and teachers don't know it, and kids aren't allowed to know it.
@UN1VERS3S Жыл бұрын
Nietzsche's so called "slave virtues": Humility, Patience, Forgiveness, are way more than just for survival. They're virtues one must have to lead a happy, healthy and meaningful life. Science teaches how to survive in life, Philosophy and Theology teaches how to live the best life.
@Gozzillacia2 жыл бұрын
I saw a 13 year old girl who had been raped. During the rape she had been punched several times in the face -- it was an ugly thing. This told me morality is bound up in beauty and ugliness -- the girl was beautiful before she had her face bashed in - and ugly after - it was an ugly thing this violence against her. It was wrong. My sense of aesthetics told me so.
@lexlex442 жыл бұрын
People always knew morality existed and that it was good, but they just saw it as bad -overly optimistic fiction when they saw how most people were seen and treated.People knew that slaves were a bad thing, but they saw it as a means to an end ! And this is how evil happens most of the time, it's seen as a necessity !
@gertrudeisaac75392 жыл бұрын
If morality is a tool, we as individuals owe it to ourselves to master it and use it to the best of our ability(s). There isn't anything good or bad intrinsically about tools per se.
@dunexapa10162 жыл бұрын
What Nietzsche seems to repeatedly say is that you are a fool if you are not a sociopath. Let's apply that to a majority of of the population and see how that works out. Nearly all humans are controlled by socially adept psychopaths. One simple and powerful technique that socially adept psychopaths use to control humans is to get humans *INVESTED* in doing things their way. The antidote is to develop reasoning ability, obey your conscience and live as simply and as close to nature as possible.
@justsaiyan86782 жыл бұрын
@@dunexapa1016 I hope you are having a wonderful day. It’s not often that I get to share brief encounters with individuals who really understand. To infinity for you and yours my friend cheers! 🍻
@xHannibal2 жыл бұрын
@@dunexapa1016 There’s a lot of things that are true but you wouldn’t want the entirety of the population doing. Basically how the majority of people live their lives is suboptimal but the optimal ways mostly only exist as a possibly for a few people. Essentially it’s like, we’d all be better off if everyone did x, but if everyone did x then you’re better off individually doing y.
@dunexapa10162 жыл бұрын
@@justsaiyan8678 , I am thankful to others who share what insights they have gained. Living sustainably is the only rational way to live. Realizing that socially adept psychopaths control humans by getting them *INVESTED* in their way of doing things was an epiphany for me. Learning to reason to avoid being deceived is paramount. There are very simple truths to live by that will free many humans; Neither a borrower nor lender be, ... barter rather than buy ....
@dunexapa10162 жыл бұрын
@@xHannibal , I will stick with the same recommendation ... it is only a small percentage of the population that is born without a conscience ... It is up to those who possess a conscience to show there is a better way to live ... for example, those without a conscience usually have an *INSATIABLE* desire for wealth ... ponder the futility of serving some person who has such an *INSATIABLE* desire for wealth ...
@devinedude36902 жыл бұрын
how utterly insightful.... thought enriching..... cheers for that!!!!!
@redstaplerguyforlifepastpr57632 жыл бұрын
Yeah I never looked at it like this.
@jandospace2 жыл бұрын
I think there've always been ways for people to hold dominant types in check. If food wasn't being shared by someone, the tribe would turn their back on that person and he/she had less chance of survival. When societies grew larger, there were less consequences on that beheiviour, because people started to mind more of their own business, so their power could grow, and ideas of morality grew with it, to keep their (destructive) power in check.
@Shadow25720 Жыл бұрын
Exactly, when the strong started to suppress the weak instead of leading them the weak bonded together and overthrew the tyrants. The more tyrannical the leader is, the faster it happens. Always has been and always will be. For example, the tyrannical leaders Caesar and Caligula were murdered while wise and lawful leaders like Marcus Aurelius weren't.
@alecb4412 жыл бұрын
When he talks about the slave-virtues, like patience etc. Aren't those also good virtues for a strong leader?
@psychovoice38272 жыл бұрын
Indeed. Considering Nietzsches Work a Leader can also be a Slave. Just look at Ceo's. They are slaves of capitalism, need to act in certain ways (e.g. be nice to stakeholders) and strive for respect. A Master doesnt do this he is not submissive at all. The Übermensch doesnt need Money or respect.
@martinli25442 жыл бұрын
'Good' is something that is basically going to get you where you need to goal; it is good towards X when it fulfills the meeting of X and its being in someway. The problem in calling any of this 'moral' is how you've got patience, etc strung into code/affirmative-action for reward rather than out of self and so such kinds of pursuant, followers, etc is not truly itself of honor's bearing and instead only plays out the worth aspect of it, trending the world further into a state of what will be a dog eats dog kind of world. Real Morality is for example here Greed, which we call precisely because it can handle the having and hoarding of wealth without the self seen it into a mishandling, retains its seeing into the self's partitioning of system to see what levels of welfare it is handling, for itself to reach classification over that which it sees into hoarding, and so forth. There will to every tier of Sin, Virtue, etc their Adversary, which may very well achieve all that they do for what it is worth, but the element itself brought into body, that is the only thing that transcends boundaries, is able to double down into infinity, into eternity, for it was unlike its fake never playing games, thinking of how to screw the other, or doing to see itself protected, but because it was itself Mastery, was itself Code, was itself Ethics, Law. The rest to it are all perversions of its being that the men had come to make up, which for alot of parts is where the men are themselves, ones who are now coming up once more to suffer the lashbacks and consequences of the way they have manipulated Word, etc for their own gain, greedy and needy, but not Greed, not something any one other Deadly Sin will ever recognize.
@noahraab24292 жыл бұрын
@@psychovoice3827 In that case we're all slaves.
@alecb4412 жыл бұрын
@Abby Rose Oh ok thank you for your comment. So in short the difference between patience of a slave and patience of a master, is the goal? It is not the specific value that makes it slave or master-like, it is the intention?
@cbn__yldz50032 жыл бұрын
aint these ehm secondary virtues also called "prussian" virtues? cause they are means for a purpose ans the outcome of its act has not to be "good" at all: f.e. i can patientelly wait to kill my boss. i killed my boss punctual.
@ausbare1402 жыл бұрын
I find morals very interesting. Nudists see nothing wrong with the naked body. Most people sit in the middle and do not care. Anti nudists claim nudists have low or no morals. Who is correct. The same can be said for many things.
@arthurfleck88432 жыл бұрын
Morality is of human construct and is subjective.
@okyoky4052 жыл бұрын
Moral is absolute and human nature. But as you grow, there's always a vague narrative that can change your perspective on morals. Our brains are literally like computers, if a computer got a virus that caused it to display red as green, would you say that your computer is right and the other one is wrong? or cause your entire image file upside down, are you going to just sit back and say “upside down” is subjective? Unless all computers are attacked by the same virus, then the wrong thing will become the truth. that's what happens to nudists
@arthurfleck88432 жыл бұрын
@@okyoky405 nudist was just an example Morals are not absolute, each seperate person have a different set of morals than the other one. Only on a few grounds there are universal agreements and even that's not absolute.
@okyoky4052 жыл бұрын
I'm talking about the moral itself is absolute. It's not about the morals in each person. Absolute morals always exist even though society do not apply them in everyday life. But when that moral comes to them, they will agree its good
@okyoky4052 жыл бұрын
The thought that morality is subjective to me is like soaking in a container of heated water. At first you enjoy it warm, but after a while you realize you are being boiled
@Brendamirandaa2 жыл бұрын
It’s funny how he thinks the slave become aggressive with their children because they have some kind of self hate, but doesn’t mention that the masters punish the slaves aggressively and this is what they learn about human relations.
@UN1VERS3S Жыл бұрын
Nietzsche's so called "slave virtues": Humility, Patience, Forgiveness, are way more than just for survival. They're virtues one must have to lead a happy, healthy and meaningful life. Science teaches how to survive in life, Philosophy and Theology teaches how to live the best life.
@kth662 жыл бұрын
A world without morality isn't so difficult to imagine, is it? Absolute chaos. Slave or not man in his natural state has a sense of good and evil which will vary between men, within or without a religious setting
@BvirtuallY5 ай бұрын
My thoughts are that a whole world of unique beings never felt true lasting meaning in one man's theory of differences.
@gregoryignatius42822 жыл бұрын
Nietzsche was used by the Nazis to rationalize their atrocities. If a person wants a healthy, balanced perspective consider Dietrich Bonhoeffer. His works, The Cost of Discipleship, and Ethics; are two of his books that are good to read regardless what background a person is from. Bonhoeffer for those who do not know was a Lutheran pastor who actively challenged Nazi activities from his pulpit. He was hanged at the Flossenburg Concentration Camp, April 9, 1945. What is represented were the views of Nietzsche, but it is important to know that he did not even hold what could be considered a dominant position on this topic during his life or at any time after. Nietzsche is important primarily for how aberrant and disturbed ideas take root in society.
@BJ520915 ай бұрын
False. Nietzsche’s sister’s interpretations of Nietzsche were used by the Nazis to rationalize their behavior. Nietzsche himself had less than savory things to say about extreme nationalists and several praiseworthy things to say about Jews, but that’s just as conveniently ignored today as it was in the 30s and 40s.
@mogatdula2 жыл бұрын
This has to be one of the best explanations I've seen on youtube thank you
@trishcusworth49502 жыл бұрын
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@TraceyQuarlesExperience Жыл бұрын
How amazing is it that the slave morality eventually yields greater power. Whoever is the leader and slave amongst peoples evolves over time. So one could also argue that morality is a basic universal law, necessary in the process of evolution. Another note: Both living in at the same time, the big bad dinosaur is no more - the turtle small and humble crosses our roads today.
@heartofinfinity2 жыл бұрын
beautiful, powerful, clearly articulated, concise - work of art. thank you.
@sprouts2 жыл бұрын
Welcome 🙏
@paris20702 жыл бұрын
That was interesting and I could relate to that except at 5:53 when the words looser and successful were used. The authoritarian is called successful… mmmm 🧐 🤔 not eventually… I came from a family that endured domestic violence every day. I completely could relate until 5:53 of the video.
@LotsOfBologna22 жыл бұрын
This is the exact problem. While there are plenty of authoritarians in our society, we paint everybody whose successful & wealthy as a tyrant regardless of whether or not it's true and we put struggling people on a pedestal regardless of whether or not they're good people. The whole point of this video is to explain why.
@muhnuralim38622 жыл бұрын
thanks for the explanation, this provides a very useful new insight, for me morals are created at the same time as everyone is born in the world, and this is an innate instinct. Without a certain environment, the baby will automatically develop the ability to judge good and bad when he starts to think
@MichelleVisageOnlyFans2 жыл бұрын
New insight...? Seriously? Nietzsche had written this more than 130 years ago! His philosophical thoughts have been around and available for decades now! LOL!😁
@muhnuralim38622 жыл бұрын
@@MichelleVisageOnlyFans maybe i just to lazy for read every book in the world
@aliceputt31332 жыл бұрын
It seems like babies will take any toy or thing they want and do whatever they want until convinced otherwise. It sure doesn’t look automatic or instinctual to me. Seems more like training which can be loving, educational or punitive but isn’t a instinct for morality. There is a instinct for safety and self preservation though.
@muhnuralim38622 жыл бұрын
@@aliceputt3133 that's right babies have an insting for survival, it's just that something is not right here. I mean not instinct in babies, but innate morals... meaning that children born without a certain environment will develop the right morals. I believe that morals are innate, although the views that develop from the environment and individual experiences will affect their moral understanding
@ramaraksha012 жыл бұрын
Might Makes Right & that is the Truth The top religions OPENLY PROMOTE NAZI IDEAS OF DIVISION AND HATE BASED ON BELIEF They have reduced their followers down to slaves, down on their knees on the ground, shaking with fear, begging for mercy and hoping for a bone(Heaven) And then live like prostitutes/gigolos/leeches/freeloaders do down here sponging off their rich Sugar Daddies and living the good life
@bobbyd12312 жыл бұрын
Try being immoral for a decade, you'll discover karma.
@sigvardbjorkman2 жыл бұрын
This was so well explained! Thanks!
@RextheRebel2 жыл бұрын
The problem is slaves are not in that condition because they are naturally inferior. They are forced into it. To obey is to respect a leader. No one should be commanded to obey someone who does not have nor has earned respect. Ultimately we are all slaves to something. Even the Masters, for they cannot achieve anything without the slaves who carry out their whims. Their ambition also is a force that enslaves them. Passion without the peace to guide is madness. Peace without the passion to create is lethargy.
@drjp42122 жыл бұрын
I prefer to be lethargic then. The point is, after a huge number of generations, slaves are selected to be "naturally" with a slave mentality, like a bird who rejects getting out of the cage even if its door is open. There are still huge doubts about how plastic the cultural behavior determinants can be....like it was said, if people remove the idea of a God, it doesn't mean they can work without a higher authority; they are biologically created to have a god anyway, and they will project modern States as such God. There's no society without slavery...it's impossible. Any kind of myth is needed to make people cooperate and have resignation about being slaves.
@relaxandfocus55632 жыл бұрын
@@drjp4212 Do you have any examples of modern day slavery, and how it is maintained?
@romaerb41612 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing. As a graduate from a school founded by men who were born into bondage and served as soldiers who did not see fit to found a military academy this made me appreciate my undergraduate in more. In addition to extreme pride in winning the Philosophy award. No harm in Nietzsche, his work reflects a man observing those seeking a leader and our long human history of surviving Pyrrhic victories that are created, maintained and mitigated by sales and promotion in a society were we use tools poorly and turn them into weapons. As a light sculptor, I am firm in belief that when you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change. The notion of a subservient leader is an oxymoron to those who have accepted limits to their personal power. The step to elevated thought on the way we do survival recognizes that everyone has a job to do, and will serve someone or something. By default of my profession I am a servant o the Truth. A camera always has an unblinking that does not deny the Truth of its intended design and function for good. People like objects have an intention of design and something that they are best good use. Be a king or queen, everyone on the board has a job to do. The subservient leader is firm, fair and friendly. Deserve and earn are not the same to such people. They never mention anything about not getting respect they deserve, because they are too busy earning it from being mindful of the manner in which they treat people on both sides of the door of their homes. There are good uses in all of the tools available to be applied to living a life. Back in the days of the Torah, a person could wake in the morning a king, queen or child of one, and at sunset prepare to bed down as a slave. The days of rape, pillaging and plundering were real. Not all cultures placed the same value on women. Nietzsche's assessment can trace back to the first -ism at the fall from grace. I am more of a balance of Kant and Mill. One man much more sexist than the other, but observations just as valid as Nietzsche.
@nuclearfish2657 Жыл бұрын
in this chapter, Nietzsche ignores a third option entirely, that morals are objective and unchanging, existing outside the people who live by them. The whole reason the slave feels like retaliating against the master is because he objects to being struck, the reason he refrains from doing so is because the master ALSO objects to being struck. In both cases, the moral principle is the same --- Nobody likes getting hit in the face! Nietzsche also misunderstands what Christianity is and where Christians get their values.
@youfamily2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. I love this.
@sprouts2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@sweetness19922 жыл бұрын
Me too it really opened my mind
@ng-marc2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Well done. Nietzsche made some fantastic observations. That said, his conclusions outlined in the video only address a small fraction of the full story. His conclusions clearly come from the master's perspective. His perspective is that of the struggle for power and control, which is the master's objective, maintaining control. As a result, he has missed that morality from the slave perspective is not simply about simply survival but also much more importantly, morality provides a system that does not require a system of slavery at all. Everyones needed can be fulfilled when the group works in cooperation, collaboration, and mutual aid. "Slave morality" as covered in the video also provides true meaningful happiness via connection, contribution, and a willingness to serve others. Respectfully, Nietzsche was clearly a brilliant man. On this point, his perspective, and worldview tainted his conclusions.
@BlackCoffeeee2 жыл бұрын
Slave morality tends to enslave people through group ideology. Those within the moral group, who begin to act individually, are bullied to return to 'correct' path. The only difference between a master and moral group ideology is the amount of people controlling human behaviour.
@ng-marc2 жыл бұрын
@@BlackCoffeeee Respectfully disagree. Morality has another higher purpose. It provides the framework in which healthy societies function. Morality is not a issue of power and control. Morality is a system of self determination and self regulation. True freedom can only be experienced from a system of morality. That's why the Golden Rule has been embraced by every major spiritual movement. In fact, most healthy secular societies also are governed by the. Golden Rule. Authoritative master slave relationships are about power and control. Strong men always eventually fail as thier system of power and control is a delusional lie.
@vulpritprooze2 жыл бұрын
This has given me lots of insights and possibly answers to the intuitive hints my brain has been continuously giving me. It has sort of made me believe there really is no "greater ideal," for the conclusion will be more or less the same. Any political ideal is therefore just a tool of the powerful to drive the masses and as such, hatred and madness is not being rational. The most ideal state we should all strive for, is that we stay rational, humble, individualistic, and strive for objective understanding with mutual cooperation and benefits.
@MichelleVisageOnlyFans2 жыл бұрын
That is the slave morality right there in your thinking, mate! LOL! I definitely don't wanna strive for that!!!
@vulpritprooze2 жыл бұрын
@@MichelleVisageOnlyFans the latter half seems to be the case lol. I don't know, that was a solution I thought of on the whim. My point is that there is no greater ideal. Which is why I don't know which greater thing should I even believe in. Being rational and intelligent is just the only solution I could have thought of of overcoming societal things and what not. May I know what you have thought of?
@tammy64522 жыл бұрын
Presented very well. Thank you.
@BvirtuallY5 ай бұрын
Neitz is suggesting if one appears a proud master after "inheriting" all "master" traits from one's merciless family, one is morally challenged by a "herd" of insanely bitter, spiteful, cowardly humans intent on challenging their morals and pride. To find the truth about actual morals, however, one should turn to one's own, quiet heart. It alone understands to be moral is to be unconditionally accepting, honest, empathetic, kind, forgiving, patiently giving and above all, TRUTHFUL with self and others: STARTING with the nearest "neediest" one (be it you or an other near you).* *All you must do to accomplish BOTH MASTERY AND MORALITY each moment of life is ask inwardly, "Which being here is plainly farthest from being wholely capable of helping themself?" Picture being in their body feeling what they're (or each one's) feeling. That's the one who needs any kind of help that's kind. As "them" what kindness would help, even just a little? Neitz tried rationalizing a reality that never was, at its source, reality. Perhaps our comments alone can start a chain of reasoning. Let's regather how we each are a missing piece to one and all, birthrighted with the manifestive collective gift of cooperative infinite creating.
@Reshyrah2 жыл бұрын
Should compassion become it's own evil for those who do not understand it's value? That is the question I would ask.
@ramaraksha012 жыл бұрын
While a Giordano Bruno & others were being branded heretics and apostates in Christian and Muslims lands, in Hindu India the Buddha was hailed as a God for doing the same thing One of those "heretics" were the Sikhs who broke away from Hinduism and formed their own religion - nothing happened to their founders Today the same Sikhs want a independent nation of their own and who do they hate? Hindus, of course! The compassion and tolerance we showed has now bitten us in the butt If we had behaved like Christians and Muslims and had killed off the Buddhas and Sikh Gurus, we wouldn't have this problem today! We did the right thing and yet today it seems it did not work out, we are hated by Sikhs Dead men tell no tales so Christians & Muslims walk proudly
@Reshyrah2 жыл бұрын
@@ramaraksha01 Violence begats violence. You think more violence will solve the problem?
@ramaraksha012 жыл бұрын
@@Reshyrah We seem to have lost the ability to read and comprehend What I said was the even though we do the right thing, sometimes we end up as losers We Hindus did the right thing & now we are hated for it Christians & Muslims basically killed these Buddhas, these Sikh Gurus & since dead men tell no tales, they have the peace of the graveyard
@Reshyrah2 жыл бұрын
@@ramaraksha01 I don't concern myself with historical quarrels between other groups of people. So the way you phrased your conversation was confusing to me.
@ramaraksha012 жыл бұрын
@@Reshyrah "historical quarrels" the hate is going on now - Sikhs want an independent homeland and they see us as the enemy Why these ideas are so difficult to understand is a puzzle to me - they are not that complicated
@c.galindo96392 жыл бұрын
A wonderful video. It’s really eye opening and gives a deeper sense of how morality can be falsely used in order to help one’s own inhibitions to prevail over another’s. Yes morality is questionable when faced against others as one wil always conflict with another’s
@priyanshugupta36082 жыл бұрын
Best lesson, best animation and best background music makes a sprouts video
@visalserei2 ай бұрын
To all the people in comment section who thought that we must change morality and understand each other is naive, the point of his book is that there will be winner and loser and both will be clash, there is no understanding.
@jonathonray61982 жыл бұрын
It’s definitely a worthy piece of work. However the fact that morality is a power tool of the downtrodden is not exactly rocket science, and certainly doesn’t undermine its validity. But pointing out helps to ascertain in what way is our morality supporting an unfair status quo, and in what way is it transformative. It is certainly worth learning these things.
@sprouts2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@jonathonray61982 жыл бұрын
@@scientificreactions7938 no I actually think the Jews and Christian’s got this at the time as well, just not with the insights associated with the dark side of that: morality being the weak man’s will to power, and victimhood status and all that, or that it can flipped as a tool to keep people acting masochistically instead of powerfully. Those elements of the dark side I think are still not understood by many: believer or atheist alike.
@shane87912 жыл бұрын
This is a misrepresentation of Nieztche. Following angry impulses any time you're troubled is what chimps do. Just because you have an impulse doesn't mean the assumptions you must have to have that impulse are accurate. The video conflates childish behavior with critical free thought. The non-violence and extreme tendency towards cooperation of modern society is a result of a social contract. Sometimes only implied, sometimes written into law. We have the expectation that we if do right by others, others do right by us. Between people's differences and the ambiguity that can exist in that idea, conflict is inevitable. A normal impulse is to feel offended in some way by what is a breakdown of the golden rule, to your perspective. But if you're only looking at it from your own point of view, you almost certainly have the wrong idea. And if you lash out any time you're troubled, you'll alienate your network and ruin your opportunities. Delaying gratification, delaying your own response to your impulses so you can subject them to critical thought, is absolutely critical to human success and is the primary difference between human cognition (sapience) and the cognition of other animals. Don't do what other people say just because someone said it. But blindly following impulses or assuming malice is worse.
@Anonymous-zk6wl2 жыл бұрын
How would you describe Nietzche's views that you believe have been misrepresented? I'd like to hear more about your perspective.
@20339712 жыл бұрын
What is your point? Not to be slave to your primal instincts?
@kevgh38692 жыл бұрын
The art style in this video is incredible! I had to watch it twice. The first time I was to distracted by the artistry.
@nancywysocki2 жыл бұрын
Wow Brian, you have a strong Mercury in your chart no doubt. Great writing. Organised, informative and expressed thoughtfully. 👍
@kcsunshine64162 жыл бұрын
Nietzsche, like all philosophers, failed to follow his ideas to their logical conclusion. If the slave class were removed and replaced with robots so their morals could no longer interfere with the higher purpose of elites, what would be the outcome? You would have a society of people who would take from each other at will, be it property, spouses, or lives; an unsustainable situation. Nietzsche had the perfect example in the Roman Empire. Left with complete control and autonomy over their own laws and morality, mankind can only achieve complete depravity. This has repeated itself again and again, in the church when popes had absolute control, in Europe when kings ruled, and so on. In the end, all of these elite classes turned on themselves and killed family and competitors. Unfettered by morality, Mankind, in their finest hour, are sociopaths.
@LuxeLaFemme2 жыл бұрын
...this is spot on.
@offensivearch2 жыл бұрын
@@LuxeLaFemme This is nonsense. In the absence of morality systems reach competitive equilibria once the dust settles. All removing slave morality does is make the system more efficient because agents competing for scarce resources aren't restrained in their actions. If animals had slave morality, if tigers and bears questioned the ethics of their actions / second-guessed themselves, this would not necessarily help them or their biospheres. Eliminating the predatory animals would lead to unrestrained breeding of prey animals and ultimately ecological collapse. On an unrelated note, pretending that morality can't be motivated by sociopathy is naive. Pushing natural human aggression and whatnot underground only makes it more pernicious.
@SomeWiseGuy.2 жыл бұрын
@@offensivearch If 2 people compete for a limited Ressource without any morals the obvious outcome is that they will use it up as quickly as they can to get the most for themselves. Even if it would have been better to use it slowly or in some cases (e.g. natural resources like fish or trees that replenish over time if you don't take it all) it would be good to keep a minimum still intact for it to replenish. But without morals there is no reason to mind the needs of the other or that if future generations. So you quickly secure as much as you can for yourself and leave nothing for the other or the future. Very quickly you get a situation where the selfish desire to make the best for yourself unhindered by morality leads to your own extinction. That is why smart animals evolved "morals" as in rules they follow in their own society. It is a survival strategy seen not only in humans but also in all sorts of animals. E.g. Lions that don't hunt anymore animals then what they need to survive because they know they shouldn't overhunt their pray. For the same reason to don't allow other hunters in their territory or don't get too many babies. They do that despite their nature because it makes sense and even lions get that, Nietzsche didn't but he was the narcissist.
@nihtris16402 жыл бұрын
Nietzsche was aware of the outcome that discarding our current morals would be dangerous. His many writings on the emergence of Nihilism following the "death of god" (the decay of current moral systems is an unavoidable necessity because of it) show how much he feared our current predicament. It is why his thoughts do not end there. "Here I am now sitting and waiting, old broken tablets around me and also new half-written tablets"(Thus spoke Zarathustra), is a rough translation. It shows that we should not only discard our old morals but create new ones to replace them. "God is dead! God stays dead! And we have killed him! How do we console ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? The holiest and most powerful thing the world had so far has bled to death under our knives. "(The gay scuence), is the translation. Those words again show how fearfull he was about the prospect that we would have to live without real morals until our "new half-written tablets" are done. I reposted this without the original german quote, because my reply got deleted. This Was originally meant as a reply to @KCSunshine , but it got removed even after modification. It might be a problem with my account, i'll try posting with my alternative. It worked! I deleted the general post. I'll leave the story of my pain for your enjoyment.
@offensivearch2 жыл бұрын
@@SomeWiseGuy. "If 2 people compete for a limited Ressource without any morals the obvious outcome is that they will use it up as quickly as they can to get the most for themselves." Basic Game Theory would say equally matched players with equally available mixed strategies would reach equilibrium. It depends on the game being played, but plenty of games result in nash equilibrium. Equilibriums exist all over nature for a reason. When one side is amoral, and the other side is slave moral the system will result in inequality (the slave morality loses). Promoting slave morality will always result in greater inequality by this principle. There will always be a small percentage of psychopaths that don't care about slave morality who will be willing to trick others via virtue signalling into thinking they are moral while taking everything for themselves behind the scenes. In a world of master morality these psycopaths are out in the open and challenged, in a world of slave morality they are hidden and remain unchallenged. The former results in more conflict but less oppression. "But without morals there is no reason to mind the needs of the other or that if future generations. So you quickly secure as much as you can for yourself and leave nothing for the other or the future." Firstly we are talking about slave morality, not morality in general. Secondly there are plenty of logical and even narcissistic reasons to care about others or the future. Transactional relationships are an example of the former, legacy of the latter. Amoral logicians are probably better at managing systems than those primarily driven by morality, provided that is their goal. Intentions don't matter. In the real world only actions have consequences. "Lions that don't hunt anymore animals then what they need to survive because they know they shouldn't overhunt their pray." This isn't entirely true. Predatory animals often hunt for fun, from large predatory cats to housecats. I don't know about lions, but even if they don't I think the idea that they don't overhunt because they understand ecology and scarce resources is childish. It's more likely laziness of being on a hot savannah and being energy efficient for them to not constantly hunt. When given ample, easy prey there is nothing to suggest predators attempt to reign in themselves to protect their ecology. If they did it is less a function of slave morality than simple logic not to overhunt.
@Anonymous-zk6wl2 жыл бұрын
The morality taught to the Hebrew people was not largely about how to survive slavery, the rules are rules that are essential for a functioning society. If one takes a good long look at the first set of commandments God gave to Moses, these aren't mostly 'adaptations to slavery', they are fundamental rules to have a functioning society. "Don't murder people" isn't just useful for slave and Master relationships - a society that did not have such a provision would collapse. Also the idea that the law was about stifling the Hebrew people against oppressive slave masters is simply not true. Slave masters could be severely punished for harming a slave. Time in slavery taught the Hebrews compassion for the enslaved - a lesson they later forgot when they started flouting the law and fell away from the morals they were taught. The rule of law also is not a matter of 'oppressing' your inner nature. The inner nature of humans is disordered and subject to flights and fancies that can lead it hurtling into hell on earth. Teaching a child to wait is not slaving over them like some task master, it is teaching them to order their inner lives rather than be enslaved by the tyranny of whatever whim enters them. We teach our children to listen to the inner impulses, but not accept every inner impulse that wells up within them. This seems to have much less to do with master and slave morality, and much more to do with a desire for a morality of lawlessness. Humility, Obedience, Forgiveness, and Patience do not just have value for slaves. The best bosses are those that exemplify each of these 'slave' virtues and actually have the ability to respond to their environment. They listen to those beneath them, are patient with them as they are learning, obey those above them when they do not violate the moral law, and forgive when their employee's beneath them repent of wrong doing. Nietzsche also makes a critical error in thinking that the only possible response to hostile impulses that well up when experiencing oppression is revenge fantasies and self-hatred. Genuine forgiveness involves letting go of these negative emotions and handing them over to God - accepting that there will be a final judgement on all of us. I'm not certain Nietzsche knows what Humility, Forgiveness, Obedience, and Patience are. It is almost as though Nietzche views Humility, Forgiveness, Obedience, and Patience are some sort of false mask. A sort of denial of fundamental forces of the psyche. The genuine forms of these virtues are not just external - they are healthy internal realities, they are the genuine ability to not strike against someone who harms us, to not let revenge fantasies fester inside of us, to be patient with those that are impatient and harsh. Why develop such abilities within? Because to seek and enact revenge doesn't help us - it damages our internal nature and makes us less human. If we all keep striking one another we'll destroy the world and ourselves. If we cannot patiently bare suffering, both from others and from nature, how can we hope to accomplish anything of worth? It is almost as thought Nietzche confuses Humility, Forgiveness, Obedience, and Patience for cowardice. Those are simply not the same things - not by a country mile. Even if we step outside of the Abrahamic moral structure, we find the Tao (basic moral principles) operating in countless other societies - not just a 'slave' class. We see it in Hamarabi's code and just about every functioning society. This is because morality isn't 'slave' morality, it is the foundation upon which a society can run. It is true that people sometimes oppress the odd and peculiar that have some amazing abilities - but that has little to nothing to do with morality. "Don't murder people" and "Don't steal" apply to everyone - even the 'master types'. This is because the ultimate 'master type' does not murder, He does not steal, He does not commit adultery. God loves Himself AND loves His neighbor AS Himself. This is the bedrock of morality, not cowardice masquerading as morality.
@lunalunera5ty1t2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the lesson.
@abdulbari45662 жыл бұрын
>"Don't murder people" isn't just useful for slave and Master relationships - a society that did not have such a provision would collapse. A society without that rule would only collapse when the majority (i.e. slaves) would be busy killing each other. The minority (i.e. masters) not following that rule does not result in the collapse of society. Even in our society, the ones in power regularly break such rules. >This is because the ultimate 'master type' does not murder, He does not steal, He does not commit adultery. Nietzche says otherwise. He categorizes masters as people that do whatever serves their own goal, not someone that conforms to the morals of the weak.
@rickkrzewski Жыл бұрын
Great presentation. I am enjoying the content of Sprouts.
@wintersoldier1642 жыл бұрын
there is no good, there is no evil. There is only the strong and the weak
@egopathtime32732 жыл бұрын
Nietzsche claimed that which is born of weakness is evil. Ayn Rand was a bit more specific, that mans dependence of men is evil. For things such as Slavery, Murder, Theft rely on this parasitic dependence of another.
2 жыл бұрын
thanks for that!! I really agree with Nietzsche as always... Morality should be created to suprime the weakness. But I also think that morality could be invented to control and to manipulate the crowd. To make people behave, afraid of the consequences after death for example.
@moisesbeyond2 жыл бұрын
So basically any form of control is evil....and the opposite is the goal...
@circa_76er2 жыл бұрын
The way this short series sums up Nietzsche's beliefs is brilliant, and my hope is that the methodology of these three short video presentations is in line with what this Philosopher was actually proposing. I'm curious what combination of wolf/sheep formula was he under? I.e. wolf pretending he is a sheep or vice-versa or one or the other. Perhaps because it is May of 2022 there's a part of the world where this scenario is being played out in front of our eyes. Or maybe Yin and Yang explains the beauty of duality of existence. Also keep in mind why this technology is possible in the first place, for us to enjoy these videos and elaborate on them. To me belief is a mystical phenomenon that none of us are immune to. The subjective and objective line is infinitely thin.
@UN1VERS3S Жыл бұрын
Nietzsche's so called "slave virtues": Humility, Patience, Forgiveness, are way more than just for survival. They're virtues one must have to lead a happy, healthy and meaningful life. Science teaches how to survive in life, Philosophy and Theology teaches how to live the best life.
@clockworkwolf44852 жыл бұрын
Turn your hate into self-validation of 'awareness' and you shall learn to fly. Those on the ground... shall never be able to 'directly' control you again. (not even in your future / past lives). The 'masters' themselves shall respect you, and learn to love you for it. As you will them. We are all each others teachers and students in this life. Aggression and hatred will only get you so far, until you crumple under it's very influence yourself. Be kind. Even to those you despise (especially to those you hate). The old saying: One does not fight 'fire' with 'fire'.
@thomasfallon7749 Жыл бұрын
"When the way of the Tao is forgotten, morality and ethics need to be stressed. When the body's innate intelligence is not heeded, deception becomes routine, and men learn to pretend to be wise and good. When genuine peace among people is not regarded; filial piety and compassion are made apparent. When a nation falls into chaos; loyalty and patriotism are renewed." - Translated by Rivenrock, Chapter 18
@DarkTider2 жыл бұрын
Just remember, Nietzsche in this video does not consider how we see morality manifest in animals that don't have a passed on system or codifies morality, yet what we consider moral is also present and quite similar. While this makes sense biologically to ensure the survival if the species, it also undermines his point, which focuses on the survival if the individual, but what we can observe in nature is that the survival of the individual is not the natural state of morality, such as in the social structure of wolf packs - ironically used in this video - where the alpha has been shown to have certain obligations towards other members of the pack, or how in groups of monkeys we see they also have clear moral values with stealing being chastised by the group.
@glennpalomo70092 жыл бұрын
An alpha wolf, wow, haven't seen that stupidity since highschool
@lorandd.91262 жыл бұрын
@@glennpalomo7009 just like in the video,the weak always hate the strong
@glennpalomo70092 жыл бұрын
@@lorandd.9126 you forgot the context in which that thought is applied, go watch the video once more my dear
@lorandd.91262 жыл бұрын
@@glennpalomo7009 in its most primal concept,something that is stronger and you cannot beat you hate and try to vilify in order to seem better at least morally(omg alpha male so last year,its cooler to be a snowflake now,cause anybody can do it)
@lorandd.91262 жыл бұрын
@Knowone Everyone absolutely correct,dont see how that makes my statement above false tho
@realtorforlouisiana2 жыл бұрын
Nietzsche's first mistake was using the limited and oppressive paradigm of slave and master archetypes. Due to that, this concept is innately flawed, and it serves more to alleviate the conscience of oppressors than as any source of discussion for morality. The Bhagavad Gita is a far better text if you want to discuss morality and virtue in humanity.
@jlushefski2 жыл бұрын
I would just comment that Nietzsche's writing is more like a poetic personal [his] exploration of ideas, not some adamant, rigid categorization of every action or behavior.
@hughmungous33572 жыл бұрын
There are a lot of weak ppl who want to shame other ppl into respecting them like blacks and lgbtq. It's an accurate description of what is happening since the dawn of mankind. But life owes you nothing. Instead it teaches that you don't deserve respect for a self-chosen identity, so slave morality will be crushed over and over again.
@71.218-westshed2 жыл бұрын
Wow I'm early to a Sprouts video.
@m174342 жыл бұрын
This is so powerful! Thank you.
@JaySlay692 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this wonderful video, Sprouts! Which books would you recommend to someone who wants to get into Nietzsche's work for the first time? Others are also more than welcome to recommend some books, it would be appreciated! :)
@ragnarbluechip87952 жыл бұрын
Tbh, I would start off with an introductory book about Nietzsche and his life. Thus Spoke Zarathustra is imo definitely not the first book I would start with, since it's impossible to understand a lot of the concepts without previous knowledge. Ecce Homo isn't necessarily a bad start, since it's a bit like a autobiography and he talks about his most important books, though you can tell that he was already going slightly mad (it was one of his last books)
@DerekSpeareDSD2 жыл бұрын
there is only relative morality...Just ask the hawks and lambs about it...
@davedogge22802 жыл бұрын
This is awesome, loved it.
@UN1VERS3S Жыл бұрын
Nietzsche's so called "slave virtues": Humility, Patience, Forgiveness, are way more than just for survival. They're virtues one must have to lead a happy, healthy and meaningful life. Science teaches how to survive in life, Philosophy and Theology teaches how to live the best life.
@UN1VERS3S Жыл бұрын
The "priests" condemn the masters not for their pride or strength but because they use it to abuse people. Nietzsche's delusions itself cause him to drive mad.
@ADenton2 жыл бұрын
Loved these ideas. I’m interested in the root of objectivity in morality as certain actions are objectively (across cultures) morally wrong, e.g., intentionally physically abusing and harming a child. I wonder what Nietzsche’s ideas are on that as opposed to the evolution of particular types of morality and cultural morality.
@yisooquartz16662 жыл бұрын
Those actions that are objectively wrong can be explained by evolution, as humans it is on our best interest to not harm other humans and not be harmed by other humans. Imagine a no killing babies gene, The children of the people that have this gene would have an easier time surviving, and in turn would increase the chances of reproduction, thus making the gene spread.
@ADenton2 жыл бұрын
@@yisooquartz1666 As a person with three young children I am certainly no longer interested in my genes spreading (joking). I respect your response; however, I have two issues: A. I don't agree with the premise that from an evolutionary standpoint early men would have been more intellectually and socially sophisticated than other extinct animals. Naturally, they would kill each other without some spark of an idea. Regarding this, two questions: (1) What would have provided that spark/insight? (2) With limited reasoning abilities, why would they trust this insight while their relatives are lying dead around them? (3) What innate or external force could provides the will to not kill and hope they'd be ok? Issue B: It is in our best interest not to harm other humans except for when it is, right? A military general has many reasons to harm an opposing force; yet, he/she doesn't want to be harmed for reasons you could reduce to self preservation. So we can understand that there are reasons to harm, but why would a cold military general still generally be apprehensive to harm a sleeping baby? In other words, why would randomly harming a sleeping child when no one would ever find out objectively bad or immoral? There seems to me to be a common idea or spark around certain moral issues.
@ramaraksha012 жыл бұрын
"intentionally physically abusing and harming a child" I was told by a religious person that since I am not a believer I will be tossed into gas chambers in hell and so will my people - even children and babies won't be spared And these are the top religions of the day OPENLY PROMOTING NAZI IDEAS OF HATE & DIVISION Have reduced their followers down to groveling slaves down on their knees begging for mercy, shaking with fear and live like prostitutes/gigolos/leeches so much for all our high talk of morality and values
@terrafirma93282 жыл бұрын
Some would argue the life of a foreign orphan as a slave would be immoral to leave them alive in it. Also a resentful vengeful orphan could turn on their master one day when they see weekness.
@khill86452 жыл бұрын
Both Deuteronomy (21: 18-21) and the Massachusetts Bay Colony both had laws that allowed for the capital punishment of disobedient children. We might have different definitions of "objective."
@josephanglada47852 жыл бұрын
I think Slave morality is more the ingroup morality that keeps the integrity of the tribe, and Master morality is that you apply to other tribes. For example, it is good to forgive your family and friends as it helps survival, but it is not convenient to forgive foreign enemies as they will abuse you. For most of history everyone had two morals: Man had sex with a prostitute and also loved his wife. Man killed enemies, and protected his own. Women did not share with others but shared with everyone in the family, etc.
@Cyberautist2 жыл бұрын
I devide morality into morality from wisdom and morality from over-idealisation. For me there exists two types of over-idealized cultural dynamics: 1) narcissistic-mentality-capitalism; which works by supressing the weak mass 2) tribal-mentality-communism; which works by supressing the strong individuals Morality from wisdom would be not to over-idealize ones position, but to accept the rights of the indiviual and the rights of the collective in a healthy balance. So in the dimension of wealth it would be: the individuals right to have property and strive for more (individual progression) and the collectives right of supporting the weakest to maintain a healthy standart for everyone (collective progression); this is true for all organism on this planet: that functional genetic traits exist in a balance with the demands of their owners and the requirements of the environment. It is this balance by which natural selection results in an equilbrium of all genetic traits of a whole biotope; and as well in a balance of the biotic and abiotic factors of a biotope. This balance is a reality which the wise tries to use to not over-idealize by any idea of morals he held. It is the balance of the natural order; and so our minds cannot escape this order without harming themselves. Or to go into the Star Wars lore: The Jedi consider romantic affection and love as a way to dark side; love results in the fear of loss; fear leads to anger; anger to hate and so on; which is why the Jedi are forbidden to have romantic relationships. The Sith consider romantic affection and love as weak and pathetic and against the lifestyle of the Sith: hate and wrath; which is why they cast out Siths showing signs of softness, tenderness and love. It is an over-idealisation; they both don´t follow the natural order and harming themselves; isolating themselves from love for themself (Jedi) and love for others (Sith). The Jedi promote peace by the "good" and ignoring love for themself. The Sith promoting "peace"/ or wealth by power and order and ignoring love for others. It only harms themself not to live with the natural order. The middle way in the Star Wars lore is called the "je'daii code" in which none of both sides had any overweight, but were both intergral part of practicing the way of the force (~ the natural order of the force). So to speak yin and yang in harmony and balance. Or as C.G. would say, to integrate your shadow. The middle path or balance is essential for the greek, egypt, taoistic, confucianistic, islamic and buddhist philosophy and also in Zuni-mythology known as Itiwana. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maat en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuni_mythology
@Rithmy2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the read. The Starwars example is very interesting. A thing i would point out is the fuzziness of what makes up the "natural order". It feels like an appeal to nature. I really like how you connect those big concepts, but it feels a strange. I would like to add how vague and up for the debate the wisdom is you speak of here. Every concept you mentioned has a slightly different approach to this wisdom. Isn't this wisdom you speak of not just another set of virtues? honesty, integrity, openness, benevolence come to mind.
@MichelleVisageOnlyFans2 жыл бұрын
BTW, despite the title of the video, this was all about slave morality, with masters' morality being totally omitted. Just sayin'.
@YourLocalPunkAnarchist2 жыл бұрын
"suppose the master strikes you, you must stifle your instinct for revenge/to strike back" me when my mom decided to slap me out of anger about something that had nothing to do with me: i just punched her so hard in the stomach she couldn't get up and had a hard time breathing for 10 minutes
@genghiskhan57012 жыл бұрын
My mom in the same situation proceeded to cry and guilt trip me for doing it to my precious mother and how dare you hit a woman.
@mr.alternater8649 Жыл бұрын
I just thought of slave morality in the morning and now I watched this video. There is somebody who thought just like me way before. I too believe that morality is nothing but a tool used by the weak to supress the strong and supreme
@firasaboud97222 жыл бұрын
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@glenndavis44522 жыл бұрын
Neitzsche had the common academic social view of civilized survival. But, it’s a purely academic one. In the real world, people must cooperate to achieve anything greater than individual primate survival. Especially in pre technology days, large amounts of hard labor were the ONLY thing that produced large scale results for any collective society. And this, necessarily, required far more Indians than Chiefs. Curious how Neitzshce seems to take the view of the masters in his philosophy. Also explains the common complete lack of morality “enjoyed” by people in that position. Once they are completely recused from the requirements of the efforts at hand, they lose all respect for the ones actually making it. And quite often replace competence with brutality. Which generally leads to the destruction of their empire, and even the loss of their own lives. But, the morality he derides as slave survival mentality is a mix of what he claims it to be and the objective reality of the requirements of accomplishing the tasks at, physically, hand. The common people obviously realize that not everyone will be a supervisor or noble. No actual work would ever be accomplished in that case. So, they develop a social paradigm that the job of success is greater than the individuals personal gain. Because success would never happen otherwise. There are many other real life reasons for Judeo Christian morality. Life lessons taught from experience in the natural world led to classifying certain behaviors as sins. A possible alternative translation for sin from the original Greek is mistake. Nature does not reward mistakes, by any stretch. And people who labored that damn hard to create whatever success was enjoyed did definitely not appreciate those who mistakenly (?) took actions acting against it. Interesting that society today has achieved common wealth prosperity roughly equal to the level previously only enjoyed by nobility. So, behaviors previously much more fatal in Nature are much more common. And, somehow this wealth seems to provide immunity to consequences thereof. But, the “rewards “ of it are purely individual. The actual Jewish religion is far more elevated than merely the Bible. And, don’t quote me, but I’ve heard that it defines evil as- Desire for receiving for the Self Alone. That can get complicated, but you might see some essential truth in it. This is definitely a charge continuously leveled against the usually far wealthier leadership. With usually some accuracy. And importancy, because as noted previously, the substitution of competence in leadership for brutality or self gratification can reasonably be linked to the failure of the empire. That these “slaves” worked so hard to achieve. Outside of actual slaves in actual chains most of the common people preferred to cooperate in success as much as possible. Outside of some underpopulated natural idyllic setting it was the best humans could do..
@dritong97272 жыл бұрын
Nothing mentioned about master morality here. Anyway, when we look back in history, most hierarchical and class divided societies had an exploited, oppressed, terrorised, deceived and manipulated majority from an elite privileged minority of hypocritical psychopaths. If we look at who rule societies nowdays are still in most cases personalities that empower some very nasty traits, the guys competing for dominant statuses are usually nothing any better from anyone of lower status. If you go back 6000 years ago, theres no systematic armies nor large scale warfares, no class divided societies, no kings, no governments, no borders, no nations, not even private property. Also, I dont think that the jewish people were the first to be enslaved, but yeah kind of slavery started in bronze age, it seems that it first appeared in early mesopotenian civilisations. But as bronze age progressed and collapset, following a dark age and then the iron age, and all the way through centuries of empires, the medieval feudalism, even through the age of revolutions and in present time, most societies are divided in a very unfair and unatural/alienating inequality and theres nothing glorious about authoriterianism. However, I dont think that slave vs master morality is a dualistic reality in sense that you can be either one or the other, I think Nietzche did not preach master mentality, he merely described a psychosocial phenomenon of power strugles in the cultures that he observed or learned about.
@ez68882 жыл бұрын
Private Property and Borders definitely existed prior to 4000 BCE. They were just, mostly, independently maintained. You’re conflating a lot of things with what we deem as the start of human civilization (which really only means the birth of cities (or ‘urban settlements’) and mass adoption of a shared language amongst a greater scope of ppl.. everything else like art, governance, division of labor, and multi-level social structures all generally existed prior to that). Societies existed prior to the dawn of civilization
@MichelleVisageOnlyFans2 жыл бұрын
Yeah. True! I noticed that, too. The both moralities go hand in hand together, and one is influenced by the other. The master morality wasn't given much space here.
@FiremarshalM12 жыл бұрын
Whew. I thought this video had been removed...but I just needed to refresh. Thanks 🙏🏼!
@Truckngirl2 жыл бұрын
I'm a neophyte in regards to Nietzsche, and grateful for this introduction. It made basic sense to me and I will dig deeper. Thank you for exploring the topic.