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Well said

Lol!!! And woke rt's

Welp, pack it up, boys. This case is closed.

Colonel Sanders called and he wants his Legs back!

might just skip that one hahah

@@EnkiriElite alec enkiri not passionatelu defending both sides ? how freaking dare you

@@eneribackwards 😂😂 darn you!

@@EnkiriElite wow you are very solidified about this opinion !

there's not even a parallel universe where deadlifts are more important than squats

Do you think it was the reduction in systemic fatigue coupled with the gains to the quads?

@@HalfJapMarine Honestly I would say it was bringing the quads and hip flexors up. But it could have been a lot of things. With my back feeling fresher I was able to add volume to back extensions and lat pulldown more often.

@@CD-sg7eh Awesome, thanks man. I think I might try reducing deadlift volume to put eggs in other baskets. The stimulus to fatigue at least for me doesn't seem worthwhile.

Agree , squat is the best deadlift builder and it is not even close , training deadlifts at rpe 6 or even 7 and just training squats heavy and hard will blow up anyones deadlift , there is no arguing to this

@@HalfJapMarine Theres literally no point in deadlifts when you have your technique dialled in. You literally only use it for testing maxes or even do variations of deadlifts. Far to taxing for what it is. Tried to many times making excuses for it, even tried doing singles for my 3-5 rep max for a few sets and after the third week i was just burned

I like that theory. I've heard it before and it resonated with me when I was younger as I think there is something to be said about it in terms of improving performance. From a longevity perspective however, I think shoring up weaknesses becomes a more important part of the equation. Hope you enjoyed the video!

@EnkiriElite yeah great video, yeah I think that's the irony of people who are great athletes usually are willing to do unhealthy things to reach great heights, i.e. doing just enough to not get hurt vs. a healthy well balanced approach. I always think of the cyclists who were so "healthy" that they had to wake up in the middle of the night to cycle or else their hearts would stop.

Was it dan john?

@@ErenKeskin-fg5qn man, I wish I could remember. My guts says no, but I'm really not sure.

@ErenKeskin-fg5qn Yeah, that's who I was thinking about, but I'm sure other people have said similar things.

The 5x20 RDLs would probably WIPE me out haha, probably a sign I should start doing more high rep stuff

Could try switching to doing RDL and belt squat.

Wow

You can be a stick and have a massive pull if you have the right leverages, no doubt. Tougher thing to do with a squat. The squat just builds a more burly body more reliably.

Cough cough sumo

As a skinny dude with ape arms, I agree. I hit 335 x 2 on Zercher Squats during COVID and my Conventional/Sumo at the time were way higher - 415 x 2 / 425 x 2. Deadlifts are fun to do but the squat is arguably the best tool to use in the gym.

@@samisalive7534 It does not matter. I can pull around 240kg both sumo and conventional, but can barely squat 160kg for 3-4 reps. Though it may be different for me because of leverages and my anatomical knee vulnerability which makes them very sensitive

​@@samoot same for me with sumo/conv but squat is 180kg for 7 reps. What is your bench? I bench like 140kg, so I feel like my deadlift is way better than my bench even tho i have short arms lol

Can't argue with that! I prefer true hinges for posterior chain training myself (RDL's, good mornings, hypers, etc). I think the long term strength and hypertrophy development of the glutes and hammies is better served when utilizing that eccentric phase and adhering to a pure hinging pattern.

Definitely do not neglect your posterior chain! My favorites are ssb good mornings, heavy hyperextensions, glute ham raises, and hip thrusts.

Gotta know how to use the hips! Agreed on the importance of understanding a proper hinge.

A big squat will almost always create a big deadlift by default. But the inverse is not true!

Squat and Romanian Deadlift is the ultimate combo

I agree with you. Both should be included in any program looking to build muscle and strength. However if I could only pick one I’d pick Deadlifts. Simply because they give far more in the way of hitting more muscle groups and building overall strength. Deadlifts are the king of exercises. Where as squats are the king of lower body exercises.

@@martynodonnell Exactly what I think, especially when you don't use straps and do a controlled eccentric. Deadlifts are king.

True, you are accurately correct. Many Gym-goers can't lift what virtually they can, but due to their weak grip ~ they mess it. Traps/Forearms/Back/Legs are interrelated to properly execute a deadlift. In real-life applications, humans will take/get things from below very seldom we use legs to put things above us regardless of our colar. Try to internalize everything first, the word important is sometimes subjective ~ to put it on a simple analogy yes squat is important if you are an athlete, and jumping is a must. Other than that? You conclude it.

I'm late to this party, but I agree with your stance more than anyone else in the comments. In my training, I am currently minimalistic with lower body and doing more body building-esque training for my upper body. The biggest emphasis for my lower body goes to the low handle trap bar deadlift. Then I just throw in some power cleans and a few front squats here and there. Conventional deadlifts do impose very high demands on recovery, so I think that is where the deadlift variations come into play. The number one reason I chose a deadlift variation over squats was the grip strength factor. Sure, you can do squats and rows and get most of the benefits of deadlifts, but the deadlift just simplifies it, especially using a variation that induces a little less systemic fatigue than conventional. It also lends itself to my goal of upper body focus. If I gained 2 more inches to my thighs right now, I think they would appear to overpower my torso. And then of course you can discuss "functional strength" which is a term that gets bastardized, no doubt. But at the end of the day, practicing picking something up off the ground has a very high level of carryover to the real world.

Deadlifts work the grip just if You use the double over hand grip, the mix grip don't train your grip or forearms....

Squats and power cleans as a primary focus will take you very far!

Nah fr my strength went up in everything except dips when I got good at power cleans. It will build anything but your pressing movements but will give you more stability even with those

@@thebigdealsstore2768 Reps and sets recommendations bro? I’m trying to get speed and be better at sprinting (could prob run a high 11-low 12 rn), I’m 5’6 but stocky and also boxing

Nor should you!

RDLs baby

I really couldn't care less about what's good for bodybuilding

Meh lol

Hope you find some value here man! It was an important question.

​@@EnkiriElite Makes sense to me that most basic/novice programs have people during 3x5 on squats regularly. Personally, I do a 6 day split, with each workout being way shorter than an hour long including rest between sets since I am short on time. The two days that I do Zercher Squats - I only do a 3x5 and rollouts after that. One day for sumo and on the other three days, I do very low volume OHP+Weighted Chins and Dips+Rows. Able to squeeze out more LP out of this since I have the option to microload at home.

Rise up maynee

If you do an ATG high bar squat akin to Oly lifters your hips are moving through their total range. The only difference in what youre talking about is an open vs closed kinetic chain. Besides this you might be faking range on the leg press by incorporating a pelvic tilt which would give the illusion that your femur is going through "more range" which could aggravate the hip joint.

Or train harder. 4 RIR all the time?

I can't argue with that! But I also don't believe that fact invalidates my argument at all.

I won't argue with that! There was a time where I could conventional deadlift 550lbs and squat roughly 400lbs. I started doing more squatting and less deadlifting after that. Discovered powerlifting and started playing with sumo deadlifts, but not really training them just toying with them infrequently. After specializing in the squat for a while I could squat 500lbs and pull 600lbs sumo (without ever training sumo deadlifting, just squatting). But I could no longer CONVENTIONAL deadlift 500lbs! Legs got strong. back got weak. All of this stuff only ever applies to a certain point :)

Hey bro how about just squat power lean and farmers walk and pull ups tats gonna help overall squatting n deadlifting without deadlifting right ​@@EnkiriElite

So, to put my question more concisely: is squat pattern work universally more important than hinge pattern work?

The good morning is a squatting movement pattern

@@Alexdelarge00 bc of the bar placement? The whole point is to mimic a hinge pattern with the bar on the back and avoid squating into it

If we start adding in true hinges to the mix then it becomes a crap shoot imo! Too hard to choose at that point, both patterns are invaluable. In fact, I think one can maximize strength and hypertrophy progress with squats and hinges while never doing a deadlift. But you cannot eliminate the squats or the hinges in favor of deadlifts and achieve the same outcome.

@@EnkiriElite agreed, and it also comes down to individual variance. My posterior chain will grow from just about anything, but I have to be very surgical with my squat pattern selection to grow my quads, and I know I’m not alone in this regard. I think in the theme of making inverse argumentative videos, you could make one claiming that hinge pattern work is universally more important than the low bar PL style squat

I am really not sure how squatting would be any more dangerous than leg pressing.

I think low handle deficit trap bar deadlift on one 45 pound plate deficit is a great exercise. But you gotta go light on it which I hate doing.

@@scottpoll6357 why go light? Couple sets of 10 seems okay?

couldn't get myself to do it hahahh

extensive plyometrics, intensive plyometrics, jumping rope for conditioning as well, single leg jumps, single leg repeated jumps, sprints. also work on maintaining proper foot and knee alignment and arch (feet facing forward/neutrally, with foot arch engaged) while walking and standing. doing this for only a few days i've noticed my bounce has become a lot springier and my running a lot more fluid as a result.

A little bit of controlled full ROM calf work, a hefty dose of sled work (both heavy and explosive, as well as forward, backwards, and lateral). And then a bunch of running and jumping drills. The stiffness concept will be built with things that make you be Bouncy and springy, aka "plyometrics." Start with low intensity stuff. Just focus on bouncing off the ground like it's a trampoline. Do a mix of 1 and 2 legs. Over time progress the intensity by incorporating things with greater ground forces, typically by increasing drop heights. But always stay Bouncy. If you can't spring off the ground like it's a trampoline then your drops are too high. Even when you better at doing high intensity plyos never forget the value of low intensity plyos. They always have a place no matter how advanced you are. Just be bouncy.

Thanks to both of y’all for the great answers

yes, and vice versa

@@EnkiriElite I can't imagine either are achievers of big numbers or excellent muscle growth.

Kinda agree. My one exercise for the rest of my life would probably be something like a deficit snatch grip or zercher deadlift. It solves the ROM problem in regards to the legs and you get all of the benefits of a regular deadlift.

I coach clients of all different body types. These assertions hold true regardless.