Glad to be of service!

Awesome, enjoy the new fork!

Glad to help. Easy fix!

Glad to help!

Same.

What was the fix?

Sorry the video is having issues. Pull the red cap off. Use needle nose pliers to pull out the straight Allen/hex key. Clean the cap and hex key then super glue the hex key into the slot on the cap.

Man by the 2021 models you’d think they would have sorted that out! Anyway, yep superglue is what I did and it was great after that.

@@downtoridemtb superglue means it can't be able anymore to adjust the rebound?

@@yuliuscoach only supergluing the metal Allen key to the knob. Still able to adjust

o man thanks, now I'm clear, keeps ups updated, good chanel dou!

Thanks! It worked fine long term but I have since sold that bike

Lol, can you imagine how slack that head angle would be!

I did the same just with basic super glue. Been good since. I actually have a 2 year update video on my Raidon fork coming out in the next day or two in which I go over that and other things.

I just made mine longer by cutting a new one

There will easily take abuse in Rockgardens, Dont read up too much on MTB forms, people with 1000 dollar forks need to justify the reasons they spent wayy to much money by telling you these forks are crap.. There not.. If yor worried about these forks not being able to take the ocassional stepdown or jump then you have been suckered bad..

Thanks!

Nope no lever/remote. You can get it that way but I don’t use the lock often enough and I didn’t want more cables.

Mine came with a remote lockout, how can I convert it to manual lookout?

@@ibby81ae You need a different cartridge, the remote lockout works differently than the standard lockout lever.

I could but this guy already did and did a good job too: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ipeHdMyEm9LboIU.html

Base it on weight for a rough estimate, then measure sag. There are lots of videos on KZfaq about measuring sag.

Could be that it is now and wasn’t then... which would be great! That video is over a year old.

The diagram for both forks shows that they use the same lockout/damping catridge

I think about 2.4” is all you could get on it safely. They make a boost version of the Raidon which can take a bigger tire though. Not so for the Epixon as far as I can tell.

If you plan on keeping the talon, then yes 100% worth it. If you’re going full suspension sooner than later, then maybe not.

Down to Ride MTB ya I’m thinking of just keeping my talon. Would you still recommend these forks the most in the 300 dollar range? The only other two I was looking at out the rockshox recon and the manitou markour but haven’t ridden an air fork before.

jason Falasco I currently have a Rockshox Recon on my Rift Zone. I think the Suntour Raidon and Epixon had just as good ride quality of not better. I wish I still had my old bike to compare head to head. But the Recon definitely has some stiction in the first range of motion meaning it’s not great at smoothing small bumps. However Rockshox is king so if you need it serviced by a local shop then everyone will be familiar with the Recon and be able to get parts easily. I don’t have any personal experience with the Markhor. I do know it’s the lightest of the group and that arch design of the Manitou forks just makes a lot of sense. To be honest, I’m not sure you can really go wrong with any of them.

Ok that’s what I figured, one more question haha does your buddy still have his talon with the epixon because I might go with that fork and if so he had to buy the adapter for the tapered head tube right? I’ve never installed a fork before but doesn’t look to hard, I would have to do it myself since all bike shops are closed and I just wasn’t sure since my 18 talon 2 doesn’t have a tapered tube

jason Falasco the epixon was available with a straight steerer at that time. Not sure if it still is though but I think it is. In terms of installation, you’ll need a star nut, you’ll need to transfer over the crown race and you’ll need to cut down the steerer. There are specialty tools for all those things but you can probably get by with basic tools.

You are correct, compression adjustment. We’re not exactly professionals 🤦‍♀️

And to make it even more interesting there's speed lock and then just a normal hydrolic lock... I think only the speed lock is meant for compression adjustment, my XCR without speed lock has a very on/off kind of feel. My first fork was the M3030 pogo stick deluxe, so adjustment knobs are new to me. Ever use an air fork or hydrologic brakes in below freezing weather ? Ive stuck to coil fork and mechanical brakes assuming better year round/all weather reliability.

My cutoff for going riding is around the freezing mark. But plenty of people ride air forks and hydraulic brakes below freezing.

The Epixon has a straight steerer. You’ll need a starfangled nut. You’ll also have to cut the steerer tube down to the length needed for your bike and transfer over the crown race. If you’re not comfortable doing all that, any decent bike shop could do it for probably pretty cheap.

@@downtoridemtb Thanks for the heads up.

Glad to help!

I didn’t know there was a coil version. Yours must be though if there is no air valve.

He did not. I did on my old bike that was originally 100mm travel and it felt fine to me. Your results may vary. You might want to check Giant forums or Facebook groups. Also, I ran the pressure slightly lower so that it had a little more sag making it a little less that 20mm or real life difference.

Thanks for the info. Pretty sure the new Epixon forks have serviceable dampers. Raidon forks do not though, which is bad news for me but at least I’ll know what happening when it gets to that point.

I think the damper also ingests some grease/sludge (depending on how often you service your fork) from the lowers and gets overfilled. If you go on the "Raidon service parts" section of Suntour's website you'll find there is also the (older) Epixon damper, which should mean it's compatible with Raidon forks. That damper is not only fully serviceable, but also has a LORC option with rebound, lockout and LSC. pretty great.

I’ve never ridden a Judy. If the price is similar and the travel, axle and steerer tube all match what you need, I’d probably just go with the Rockshox. Easier for shops to service and get parts for.

@@downtoridemtb if comparing with epixon to the judy tk silver. Epixon has remote and manual options, 32mm stanchions over 30mm judy, of course the travel adjustability up to 120mm, and they are only like 180 to 200ish shipped. At best the judy gold is the closest at 350 bucks and still may be slightly better or under with a heftier price tag and I think the stanchions are still 30

Really just lighter. The slow end of the rebound seemed slower on the Raidon which is actually a benefit to the Raidon but it’s unlikely anyone would ever run the rebound that slow anyway.

It sound to me like a leak from the shock pump or a bad seal where the pump connects to the valve. Check for any missing rubber grommets that might have been inside the “nozzle” of the shock pump. Or try another shock pump if you can. You could also try some soapy water to see where the air is escaping. It’ll make little bubbles.

@@downtoridemtb good idea thanks very much

Glad to help!

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Thanks for watching! I’m sure you’ll be happy with the Raidon.

Look up a channel called “budget friendly biking” he has a video where he does it on an Epixon. Process is the same.

Yeah you might want something stronger for an e-bike just with the speed you can achieve. Depends on trail roughness I guess. Maybe and Axon or Raidon 34. Good luck and awesome to hear from another Barclay!

Good question. It seemed like plenty to me but I only had 2.25” tires on it.

I’ve only ridden the Epixon and Raidon. I’d spend the little bit extra for the Epixon or even better as long as you know it’s a bike you’re going to keep for a while. Hope that helps.

@@downtoridemtb ahh i didn't get your point, ahhh so you mean epixon is good interms of quality lifespan? Thank you for your feedback

Epixon is good. But basically get the best one you can if you plan on keeping the bike and are really into riding.

Well the axle type you need will be determined by your wheels. Unless you plan on getting new wheels too.

I HATE PENTAGRAMS you can get adaptor kits for a 9mm to 15mm or vice versa wheel so just pick whichever fork you prefer as 15mm is stiffer but the difference is minimal.

Neither do. I used a zip tie and a ruler.

No I put a sag ring on mine when I dropped off the lowers for service it’s worth doing

Brand X Ascend. Check the comments in my Giant Talon video for more details.

To be honest, I’m not sure. I had seen a video from Toogy Howser MTB where he had to replace some internals of an air fork for his girlfriend because at lower pressure, since she was light, the fork didn’t extend fully. I think it was an SR Shntour fork. Do a little digging on his channel because he showed the whole process. The video was from at least 6 months ago or more.

I’d guess 120. You could let some air out and see where it bottoms out, then subtract what is left after bottoming out.

@@downtoridemtb i'll try that And what's big different between raidon and epixon ?

Really just the weight. Performance is so similar I don’t think you’d notice a difference.

@@downtoridemtb thank you for your information, i think no need upgrade from raidon to epixon if performance is so similar

I agree. If you’re going to upgrade I’d say look at something that is a bigger upgrade. Or just stick with the Raidon.

While I can’t say for sure, it probably does. I don’t know why it wouldn’t.

I think it only goes to 120mm while the Epixon has 120,130,and 140mm of travel

@@nikthepunisher6255 i think Suntour site says it has only 80 and 100mm. When I do a lower legs service I will check it out

Well the Epixon is a better model but it’s kind of like comparing apples and oranges. If you have a boost wheel with thru axle then you have to get the boost spacing fork.

It depends on your weight. A good starting point in psi is your weight in kg.

Feels like there are incremental adjustments in between. The closer you get to locked out the “firmer” it gets. So if completely locked is one direction, I want it to be able to go to fully open in the other direction.

Get the Axon if you can afford it. But whichever you get, make sure it matches your axle type / spacing and your steerer tube.

@@downtoridemtb now idk which one to get manitou machete or axon 32?

That I can’t say, never ridden the manitou.

@@downtoridemtb thanks!

I actually did that recently and it has been working fine since

@@downtoridemtb nice,I'll do that myself thanks.

Welcome!

Yeah it’s hard to say what the real limitations are. I’m perfectly comfortable with my Raidon on trails around here but I’m pretty sure my skill limitations are reached before anything else.

@@downtoridemtb yeah my bike has a straight steerer so I can either go with an epixon or like the 2 other straight steerer 27.5 air forks, or I could get a cane creek tapered head tube adapter and get a nicer probably used tapered fork

Might be better off with the cane creek adapter. That way at least you know your fork will be usable when you eventually get a new bike or new frame.

@@downtoridemtb yeah I'll probably go with that

Looks like some people are having trouble with this video on the KZfaq mobile app. Try a desktop computer.

Yep, exactly what I did after filming this video

Yes up to 140mm unless they have changed something in the last couple years. Look up a video by Budget Friendly Biking where he changes the travel on his Epixon. Same process.

Down to Ride MTB ok thanks

I changed mine to from 120 to 130 today no hole to move the pin to 140. Mine are radon 29er forks

Yes through the SR Suntour US website

I doubt it unless you get the boost version. May want to contact them directly though they were quick to answer any of my prepurchase questions.

@@downtoridemtb what tyre width are u running right now? I have a similar fork and i am thinking about running 2.4 (Width) tires.

Currently 2.6 up front an 2.4 rear but that is on a different bike. All I ever ran on that bike was 2.25 but that was because my rims were narrow. 2.4 should be fine.

You might want to reposition the top cap because you may not ever be getting to fully open.

@@downtoridemtb the top caps stops at the 3 o'clock position it doesn't get touch anything when it stops

There are a lot of “gray market” sellers that sell on eBay etc for less that SR Suntour US sells their own product. Seems sketchy to me and I wouldn’t trust anything that isn’t from SR Suntour directly or an authorized reseller.

Down to Ride MTB They are sold through reputable US based bicycle-oriented ebayer. Are u saying they could still be fake?

Nah I doubt that they’re fake then. Sure it’s an apples to apples comparison? Axles, steerer tube and stanchions - I think they’re was a Raidon with bigger stanchions at some point. Clearance item?

It’s crazy! I contacted them way back then about it.

I don’t see why not.

Down to Ride MTB btw does the rebound on the epixon work ?

Yes although my Rockshox Recon has more adjustability on the rebound dampening

Down to Ride MTB okay thank you very much !

It was like that before increasing travel to 120mm and has stayed that way after too. It’s just the cap that spins though once it gets to that point of no return.

@@downtoridemtb I thought that the "not being long enough" got worse and the rebound control was less responsive overall after I increased travel on my Epixon. Of course, I hadn't had it apart prior to that since I did the increase at the time of the first service. Thanks for sharing your experiences with these largely-ignored forks. I think mine was $200 well spent! ;)

Interesting. Glad to do it, thanks for watching.

@@downtoridemtb is epixon adjustable up to 140mm travel?

It should be. My Raidon was definitely.

Interesting that the XCR felt better since it is a cheaper fork. They’re all budget air forks though like most things you get what you pay for. They’re at least better than those XC_ coil forks.

@@downtoridemtb Actually the XCR 34 Air boost was...and still is a higher priced fork. I believe you are thinking of the standard XCR Air fork.

@@downtoridemtb In addition to what @Alan Garnes said, the XCR 34 Air is also internally adjustable from 100mm to 140mm. It also is a 27.5/29" fork which is nice if you want to switch wheel sets.

@@thekiltedruffian2 Thanks for the like. I actually commented on the same subject on this video a little over a year ago I believe. I came across the XCR 34 air much the same way you did. I think you and I have talked about this before, I'm sure of it.

Ah yeah I didn’t catch the boost part

Money being no object - the Epixon is better. Worth the extra $90? Only you can decide that.

@@downtoridemtb what model are the forks I have in sight a raidon vk 1560 or an epixon vk1661, which would you buy in my place?

I don’t know anything about those particular model numbers. Go with the Epixon if you like the bike and plan on keeping it for a long time.

@@downtoridemtb In the end I bought a rock shox recon😅

erick Lozada castillo not a bad choice at all. My new bike that is currently on order comes with a Recon. So I’ll be interested to see how it compares.

Right on. I didn’t get that deep into the details. Didn’t really know any different at the time.

You have to completely replace the damper versus disassembling/cleaning/replacing o-rings/etc

@@downtoridemtb is the damper of the Raidon compitible witt the Epixon? or other Suntour fork?

I think I may have read about some cross compatibility but I can’t say for sure. I contacted their is based support a couple times and they were always very helpful. See what they say.

I don’t think you can go wrong with either

That's because the raidon is still an XC fork.

Thanks for that detailed breakdown. So odd that they took the lower air fork and then made a 34mm stanchion version of it. You'd think they just would have given it a different name since it is so much different that the normal one.

Lol. Well whatever works for you. I’d ride another Raidon or an Epixon.

@@downtoridemtb I won't say they'd work totally fine but what engineer relies on the switch to hit the steerer crown as a limit for the compression setting? Things like that make me feel a little weird using one of these. But I've ridden an Aion before and it is an absolutely fine working fork. I would recommend it to anyone who's budget is limited. But still a Yari or respective Lyric or a Fox 36 would do a better job.

Fair points. Plus for parts, service, etc it is better two stick with the big 2 fork companies.

@@downtoridemtb absolutely. I service my forks myself and getting all the needed information to do that is a lot easier for Fox and RS, because there are so many videos about that. Especially the guys from @GMBNTech got some great videos making that hole process a lot easier.

See if there is a way you can email or send feedback to KZfaq. I have tried on my end.

Part 1 of your comment may be right but it’s an odd design if so. Why would the dial turn more than the 1/4 turn needed? For the rebound, this is 100% a design flaw by SR Suntour. Between this video and one other I did, many people have commented saying that had the exact same problem.

@@downtoridemtb Mine works perfectly. Because you have to correctly reassembly. If you dont, the rebound doesnt work well. Believe me, mine had the same problem after the first service I did on it. Then I realized that was my fault, not the design. Reassembled the right way and the knob works flawless again. (Raidon 16)

What is the correct way? Mine was not working from brand new.

@@downtoridemtb English is not my strong side so sorry for my weird sentences. :) The answer is in the end of this comment but I write the whole reassembly procedure of the knob for the viewers if they are interested about it. Before tighten the bigger bolt, make sure you set the rebound with an allen key about halfway in its "travel", or at least two full rotations from the full opened state, towards to the close direction. (If you tighten the big bolt when the rebound is fully opened, you cant turn the red knob either direction and cause to strip its plastic 4mm socket) Then put back the little hex shaped rod into the red knob, but dont push it fully towards the end, leave 3-4mm free in the knob. Then put back carefully the knob in its place. The little rod should move up and down with the inner bolt together when you set the rebound. Thats why doesnt seems long enough for the first sight. Its pretty easy and straightfoward, but can looks as a design flaw for the first time. You can grease the O-ring and the rod itself to make it slick and more waterproof.. If you want to make some DIY work, cut an unused allen key to slightly longer than the factroy one and make a video about it. If it works, would be a great hack video, but reassembling the right way is still much more easy :) Cheers guys

Right on, thanks for giving all the details on that!

Seems to be working for me. Could be some sort of regional KZfaq server issue. Hopefully it is only temporary.

@@downtoridemtb Just tried it again...now it pauses at :32 unreal!! Lol

Can someoen reply with the fix for the rebound adjuster? I cant see the video. Thx

@@downtoridemtb It seems to be the KZfaq app. It is stuck on my Android phone but seems to play ok on my desktop computer.

Seriously wtf. It just stopped at 32sec and refuses to keep playing. KZfaq app on my android phone.

Epixon

@@downtoridemtb osea la epixom es mejor que la raidon?

@kevinhuertalayme6954 Epixon is better

Funny thing is I’m considering buying a different cheap bike that has one on it stock. Wouldn’t stay that way long though.

Did you ride them before commenting?

I don’t really agree. They’re good for the price assuming you get the upgrade program discount.

Did you ride them before commenting?