Crisis Series #24 w/ Fr. Franks: The New Mass: Proclaiming a New Theology

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We’ll continue our discussion of the Novus Ordo Mass today with Fr. Paul-Isaac Franks, professor of Theology at Saint Marys College. Last time, we looked at the New Mass’s Ecumenical intent. Today, we’ll see how the New Mass is a direct expression of the New Theology that was condemned by Pope Pius XII. But this problematic theology came back in full force during the second Vatican council, and when the New Mass was developed, it drew on this new theology, putting aside much of the traditional theology contained in the Church’s Magisterium.
Although it’s not totally necessary, it may be helpful to go back and watch Episode 16 if you haven’t already, where Father Bourmaud took us through the New Theology itself - this will help you understand the inherent problems in this development of Church teaching. And if you’d like to see all our previous 23 episodes, please visit sspxpodcast.com/crisis. Now, we’ll turn to our conversation with Fr. Franks.
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@jeffhorvath7718 3 жыл бұрын

This series is one of the best histories of the evolution of the current attack on the Church ever compiled. It is concise, it is reliably constructed, and it is in a medium that makes it very accessible and sharable. Thank you Andrew and SSPX Fathers. God bless you.

@Toner126 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve been thinking to myself that in the next few centuries, the Church will likely turn to the SSPX for an accurate history of the heresy of modernism in the Church.

@barbaragraver 2 жыл бұрын

I agree. This series is such a blessing!

@randyjones3050 3 жыл бұрын

This explains SO MUCH! As a Protestant who has been "peeking through the windows" of the Catholic Church for while, this has been a helpful explaination of everything that is wrong with the world. For so long I have been wondering why everything about the modern world seems to be in a state of total collapse...even Christianity itself. This is the reason seeking political solutions to the world's problems will NEVER work! The old saying that politics is downstream from culture is literally true. Why? The heart of the culture is the 'cultus' of the people. If you change the way people worship (the liturgy), you change the way they behave in life and the world. The communists and the modernists understood this. You must change the theology so you can change the liturgy, thereby changing the 'cultus' of the the people and their culture. When you change the culture, that changes everything about the world including politics and the state.

@xiomarablanco6516 3 жыл бұрын

That’s right! “ Lex Orandi. Lex Credendi. Lex Vivendi”

@juliemcsweeney6434 2 жыл бұрын

Welcome home ☘

@jamesnguyen1509 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Andrew and to all SSPX Priests for your time to share crises in the church. I attend a SSPX in DFW, TX and I stopped going to Novus Ordos near my house which is 7 mins away and I travel 45 mins to attend SSPX. I see and witness a difference and I will not go back to know to the new mass.

@elizabethdarley8646 3 жыл бұрын

I agree- we travel one hour to the nearest SSPX chapel in Manchester UK. We love God through the great SSPX! Hallelujah!

@gregoriotauro4469 2 жыл бұрын

Our family was thinking of attending the Manchester Chapel from Sheffield, though it's quite a task without a car. Hopefully we'll succeed.

@bjfitz5 3 жыл бұрын

After attending the TLM for 2 years, I find the NO Mass a mockery.

@luissantiago8446 3 жыл бұрын

I have been advising all of our SSPX friends to tune into this excellent series. It explains so much.

@lidiasoares5675 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Father for reassuring us traditionalists. It's so true that children love justice!! My grandson is 6 years old and he sure loves Justice! May God bless you Fr and the SSPX .

@elizabethdarley8646 3 жыл бұрын

Oooh! Your grandson sounds amazing! May he be blessed by God Almighty.

@seanalleno.pilapil967 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you SSPX for this wonderful series!

@markrankin6715 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Fr. Franks for your passionate but clear exposition of the problem. Your talk was both entertaining and informative !

@selinam8805 3 жыл бұрын

These are excellent!

@donaldmorgan9149 3 жыл бұрын

Another excellent episode. Thank you Andrew, and thank you Father Franks for educating us about the real intentions of the "reformers".

@ElkArrow 3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant. Not too complex. Very, very good

@theresagoldschmidt8740 2 жыл бұрын

This is frightening as there must be many people who do not know how irreverent the New Mass is and go along with it.

@billyork6017 3 жыл бұрын

Nice to hear from Fr Franks! He is an excellent theologian. Seems only a second since I last saw him in Nottingham! Learned so much about the Trinity that day!!

@jenniferbrannon 2 жыл бұрын

Father is on fire 🔥! So good! Thank you!!

@carolhensen8005 Жыл бұрын

Dear Father Paul you and all Priests who deliver these important messages will save our Holy Catholic and Apostolic church….my prayers offered up for our beautiful Catholic family stay the right course…….of which you are speaking….God Bless you

@JamesBond-qd5rc 3 жыл бұрын

Very informative. Seems there are two religions in one church. The truth and an ape of the truth.

@cnunex1766 3 жыл бұрын

The wheat and the chaff

@greyhoundmama2062 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome summary of the "vandalism" of the Novus Ordo Mass.

@mynthamara5994 3 жыл бұрын

"Ride your bike When your Brain starts to hurt" 😂 Fr. Franks has the rare quality to balance lightness and sacred. Love to hear him speaking.

@artgarcia110 7 ай бұрын

Thank you. May the Lord Almighty bless you both and the Holy Work of The Society . Viva Cristo Rey y La Virgin de Guadalupe…

@chrisr37 3 жыл бұрын

This was one of most informative episodes. They have all be outstanding but this answered th question "why" that many of us have been asking for quite some time. Thank you

@edcrow7987 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you SSPX for this series and innumerable services provided to the faithful since your inception. May the Holy Ghost guide your apostolate and persevere in preserving the faith of our forefathers. Putting aside his ecclesiology, I have found the late Fr. Cekada’s “Work of Human Hands” incredibly insightful, accessible, and witty (one must laugh in order not to cry). The book is a worthwhile consideration for those without a theology background that are looking to understand the history and impact of the liturgical “reform.” This Crisis in the Church series, nonetheless, has been both broad and deep, always accessible, and more importantly: clear! Keep up the good work.

@richardm1101 3 жыл бұрын

Love this whole series, and especially this episode. Thank you Father.

@maryjulieharris7827 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you father.. your love of our precious faith and your faithfulness to it is breathtaking and inspiring. Thank you. God bless you.

@jimsember3528 3 жыл бұрын

This is so helpful to also understanding what is behind the "new evangelization", the de-emphasis of Confession, and even the homosexualist movement in the conciliar church. If it doesn't damage man, or man doesn't feel damaged, it is not sin. FYI, there were several audio drop-outs.

@muirgheasa73 3 жыл бұрын

This is so helpful to non-theologians like myself. I can feel the difference in reverence at the traditional mass but I really needed to know exactly how the new mass was different from a theological and liturgical point of view. Thank you Fr. Franks.

@msconnleon 2 жыл бұрын

Wow 👋👋 This was an incredible interview I'm really enjoying the series. It answers so many questions

@mirajimenez5954 Жыл бұрын

By God's grace, may SSPX grow in number of good and devout Catholics....

@deepsea1892 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the educations. Greetings from Indonesia. Deus Vult !

@jacobdale2314 3 жыл бұрын

I read The Problem of the Liturgical Reform and didn’t get it at the time. I greatly appreciate the excellent explanation of the essential idea of the book. Some day I hope to go through it more slowly with a highlighter. Fr. Paul-Isaac Franks was very clear and his passion for the faith is evident. At the moment I am attempting to discern between the position of the SSPX versus the more moderate ecclesia dei view towards the postconciliar Church and Mass. I have been following this series with interest and I look forward to future episodes.

@PraytheRosaryEveryDay 3 жыл бұрын

Have you seen Father Franks' excellent explanation of why he would literally rather die than say the new Mass? It is *only* the SSPX, comparing SSPX to FSSP, Institute of Christ the King and other so-called trad groups in good stead with Rome, that refuses to say that the new Mass is en par with Traditional Mass and refuses to say it period. All those other groups have put their few grains of incense to the Novus Ordo Missae.

@jacobdale2314 3 жыл бұрын

@@PraytheRosaryEveryDay I just recently watched it, very good talk. I understand the difference in position between the two, I’m trying to figure out whether the new mass is worse than the traditional Mass but still good or if it is intrinsically evil as a rite.

@melodyjennings7782 Жыл бұрын

This episode, along with #3, #23 & #46 is worth listening to repeatedly. Fr. Frank's, thank you for believing that the faithful can understand... even "crunchy" theology! That's real love.

@elainehightower 3 жыл бұрын

One of my favorite episodes!

@angelatakano6072 Жыл бұрын

Father, you are a light for all Catholics like me who need clarity into what happened to the Catholic Church. All of us pious Catholics believe in our mother the Holy Catholic Church , and we don’t want to see it changed into a modernistic variant of what we grew up with. Unfortunately, the youth today don’t know the Holy Catholic Church as it was originally created and illuminated by the Holy Spirit :(

@caromirofone 3 жыл бұрын

Great lecture. Thank You.

@albertmacdonald7783 3 жыл бұрын

Fr is right this church is not indefectible which is a trait of the true Church plus the true Church cannot teach error .

@teresaniumata2742 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much Fr.

@GABRIELLA3254 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome video!

@caseymckee6856 3 жыл бұрын

Please pray some Rosaries for me! I would greatly appreciate it!

@edytat6860 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Deo gratias.

@MsSme123 3 жыл бұрын

This is the best one so far. I’d love to read a book about this. Comparing the two theologies. This makes things clear . I’ll have to listen again…

@IskalkaQuest2010 3 жыл бұрын

Wow! Excellent!

@lucasarts123 2 жыл бұрын

This is the best episode by far for me! Another religión begin with v2 is soo clear!

@gduggany Жыл бұрын

This is a excellent explanation of how the concealer church has fooled Catholics. The concealer church has taken the faith to an all time low. We need to stop them. Be brave. Say the rosary.

@marthawissmann8268 3 жыл бұрын

Very informative.

@feaokautai7354 2 жыл бұрын

Jesus Christ is traditionally constant forever!

@christinegruber3533 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for your explanations! It made me wonder: if Modernists think that sin does not have severe consequences ... would we not all still walk around in Paradise, happily munching away on the Tree of Life?

@philipsantoro4013 2 жыл бұрын

I would like see two SSPX priests take opposing sides in a debate featuring one issue; example the differences in the mass

@williammcenaney1331 Жыл бұрын

I'm a postulant in the Third Order of St. Pius X, and the SSPX is my favorite priestly fraternity. But I hate to hear anyone call the Novus Ordo "the liturgical reform" when the reformers didn't improve anything.

@josephjude1290 3 жыл бұрын

Great detailed video, I'm Orthodox; your channel is great. It's interesting to learn about how theology has affected the Latin Church. It's confusing and scary how a Council can just change Liturgy and belief. For the future can you discuss how it is different from classic Greek Orthodox theology?

@melmckenna4599 9 ай бұрын

Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but do Greek orthodox have their own patriarch and don't recognise the papacy?

@luomoxx9662 3 жыл бұрын

Let us know when Prometheus comes out!

@SSPX 3 жыл бұрын

in progress... may take time... :)

@ghislainevalmont9463 Жыл бұрын

Amen

@theresagoldschmidt8740 2 жыл бұрын

It has only become clear to me recently what Vatican ll was and is all about and how negative it is and has been for the One , True, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic church .My mother always spoke about how bad Vatican ll was and I only understand now what she meant. Thank you and Bless you, Father and all the SSPX priests.

@ElkArrow 3 жыл бұрын

It's interesting that it's the Catholics who are rejecting this new theology as evidenced by the lack of attendance at the Novus Ordo Missae. Moreover, even the Protestants reject this new theology, so essentially nobody believes or accepts it. People are flocking to the traditional Latin mass precisely because they recognize that it pleases God. Lex orandi, lex credendi.

@SSPX 3 жыл бұрын

I think respectfully, the new theology is essentially a subjective philosophy. So their non-attendance doesn't really mean they reject it, but they are actually following the new theology, since there's not much there to really believe - subjectivity is the name of the game. But that's just another way of looking at your point. Forgive me if that's pedantic, but you bring up a very interesting point!

@ElkArrow 3 жыл бұрын

@@SSPX I agree with you. However, my opinion is that the new theology is Freemasonry; i.e. man is God, or rather that man becomes God through the process of interior illumination

@randyjones3050 3 жыл бұрын

@@SSPX The purpose of the new theology seems to be to kill the Church or at radically change it to serve the ends of people advancing a new globalist religion.

@randyjones3050 3 жыл бұрын

@@ElkArrow I agree with you. Over the course of my spiritual journy I have delved into the esoteric. There is A LOT of man-centered esoteric undertones in the "new theology" in the manner you describe.

@angelahancock7916 3 жыл бұрын

Where can I find the notes you referred to for each episode? I went on the SSPX podcast website and couldn’t find them. Is it possible that they aren’t available in the mobile site?

@SSPX 3 жыл бұрын

sspxpodcast.com/crisis - on desktop, the notes are on the right sidebar. On mobile, scroll down below the list of episodes to the section that says "resources"

@angelahancock7916 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I found it. The notes were incredibly helpful and so extensive for this episode.

@vivekapihl5179 2 жыл бұрын

When you know your faith, have seen several rites celebrating mass and red several historical catechisms (for example St. John Damascene from the east, St. Cyril of Jerusalem's Mystagogy, tridentine documents and the ecumenical councils' documents, patriarchy of seleucia-ctesiphon catechism "The Pearl, teaching of Alexandrian school) + new one it is easier to see long time historical trends in magisterial teaching. Things are not only Black and white. And by the way, I would say almost all the types of heresies up today you can find from St. Irenaeus' Adversus heresies from 2. century.

@nelsonteixeira6153 3 жыл бұрын

The audio is lost from 9:11 to 9:24, not sure if this was intended?

@nelsonteixeira6153 3 жыл бұрын

and also 33:32 to 33:43

@SSPX 3 жыл бұрын

It was not - and sadly, we're not able to repair it at this point. Thank you for understanding.

@duartem3586 3 жыл бұрын

Why the audio mutes a 9:07?

@mab1564 2 жыл бұрын

Father, Please debate James White!!!! Oh, I would pay so much to see that. 🙏🙏 Or Macarthur!!

@kennyinliverpool 3 жыл бұрын

Is there a good Q&A catechism people can use?

@GABRIELLA3254 3 жыл бұрын

Catechism of Saint Pius X is great

@Niklaus777 3 жыл бұрын

🙏🏼🛡️🗡️

@elizabethdarley8646 3 жыл бұрын

+Jesus and Mary and Joseph+ Yes. Thank you! Andrew and Father Paul-Isaac Franks. We are Converts from the Church of England to the SSPX. Praise God! I am interested in etymology. The word 'Liberal' means to be free from the Divine Law of God-all the Ten Commandments and all the 46+ Commandments that Our Lord gives us in His new Holy Covenant with man. (the horoscope sign, Libra, is a pair of scale, by the way, and this signifies that the person who is born under that sign is free from God's Law and is not found wanting. Yuck!) Thou shalt not kill is violated by abortion- killing thy neighbour in the womb. Abortion today is the current form of pagan child sacrifice and the sacrifice of virgins. Pagans always have some type of human killing as part of their ceremonies. Sometimes it can be difficult to find it, but it's there. I'm too tired to think of more but there are many more violations of God's Law in the daily world. Kind regards from Chapel of Saint Pius X, Manchester, GB God bless you

@richardsaintjohn8391 3 жыл бұрын

How can the new Roman Canon via Benedict be anything other than Catholic?

@GeorgeMayol-vu7kh Жыл бұрын

The new mass is a new theology.

@jocelynyared2150 2 жыл бұрын

Man has devoted his life trying to avoid pain and increase pleasure. Naturally, "suffering, sacrifice, etc." needs to be re-expressed metaphorically as "the cross", or if possible, something else and nothing too bloody.

@williammcenaney1331 3 жыл бұрын

Maybe it's better to say "charity" or "caritas" instead of "love" because charity isn't a feeling.

@sanalzam1 3 жыл бұрын

Why??? Masonry within the church!

@Rittlesleo 3 жыл бұрын

The NO is arrogance, pride and self worship. And I'm not saying that there aren't kind and humble people who attend it.

@GeorgeMayol-vu7kh Жыл бұрын

We can not modernize theology.

@heartofgoldfilmandtheatre 3 жыл бұрын

If the sacrifice of the Mass in Novis Ordo contains the same rubrics for transubstantiation then it is a valid Mass. I understand the Mass requires the priest and her communicants to be in a state of grace and this gives more merits and Grace. Even if the priest was in a state of mortal sin and there is one communicant, who is in a state of grace, who prays for the priests and others, then this gives merit to the Mass. Both Masses are valid. I've witnessed the Lord perform wonders at Novus Ordo Masses. Personally, I prefer the Mass of 54 and '62. At these Masses the Lord is central and His sacrifice more visible and present to our consciousness. From the Orate Fratres to the Sign of Peace the rubrics are the same in both the Novis Ordo and the Traditional Masses.

@SSPX 3 жыл бұрын

Episode 23 acknowledges that the words for Transubstantiation are the same, but that the rest of the Mass degrades the Catholicity of the Mass, watering down the priesthood, the belief in the real presence, respect for the Blessed Sacrament, etc. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nNqqmbWamrq-oo0.html Episode 25 goes much more into depth about how the New Mass is extraordinarily problematic, and yes, @Linda, while it is indeed still valid (you're correct on that point!) , is not even close to fitting for the proper worship of our Supreme Lord. I hope you will watch that episode when it comes out in less than a week! God bless you, and thank you for the comment!

@norbertx9415 3 жыл бұрын

Keep in mind that for 40 years, the words were in fact defective ("For all" for the chalice). Miracles are not a barometer of validity. Scripture warns of false miracles. If the the Novus Ordo liturgy is valid but "less than" the True Mass, then one is left with the question of whether Holy Mother Church can give us something substandard. All this is assuming that the priest is valid to begin with, which the New Rite of Holy Orders gives ample evidence to question.

@luissantiago8446 3 жыл бұрын

@@norbertx9415 A Eucharistic Miracle that occurs in a Novus Ordo Mass is hardly an indication of a celestial stamp of approval, nor an endorsement from on high. In fact its surprising that it's occurrence is not more frequent considering the levels and numbers of disbelievers among not only the Novus Ordo attendees, but the very priests who offer these Masses. The Novus Ordo is without a doubt, a diluted, truncated, and bare bones, similie, of the Traditional Rite, and lacks the authentic patina of true worship. The Israelites while in the desert were given explicit instructions by God Himself on how to construct not only the place of worship, but down to the very vestments, and vessels as well. They gave our Lord the best. This, in the desert!!! Yet we, who Iive in the most affluent country in the world give our Lord what? Hideous Churches. Cheap, vacuous ceremonies, with cheap looking vestments, vessels and ugly art strewn about. This is insulting, loathsome and repugnant. And this is how we worship and give thanks to our Redeemer, and our Creator? In the Middle Ages, a poor hamlet was dominated by the tallest, best looking edifice, and that was the local church. People had faith and it showed in their churches and rites. Today's churches and rites are treated like secondary footnotes.

@GABRIELLA3254 3 жыл бұрын

@@luissantiago8446 Great comment!

@melmckenna4599 9 ай бұрын

Are you sure? I wouldn't think so

@jocelynyared2150 2 жыл бұрын

Perhaps the new theologians are just finding a way to reach "beginners" in the Faith? Like providing a kindergarten, grade 1... for Gradualism's sake.

@SSPX 2 жыл бұрын

I think that would be an easier view to take if it were not for their hostility to traditional formulations, even those which had been proposed by the Magisterium.

@jocelynyared2150 2 жыл бұрын

@@SSPX True. Their antagonism showed what was truly in their hearts.

@vivekapihl5179 2 жыл бұрын

I don't believe the new mass teaches completely new theology. I have been catholic for 12 years with no christian background. Going to the NO mass I have learned the things this channel also talk about. This whole issue needs calming down. Though, I love history of the liturgy and I have studied different rites, historical and those in use at the moment. I wonder what you TLM extremists think about all the other valid rites in catholic church. And I wonder why TLM is under suppression meanwhile in Europe and Near East historical rites are being celebrated in their cultural places for example Mozarabian in Toledo. Unity does not mean uniformity.