What is the dialogue?

@@xan42O Something like ""Thank you. Finally we'll be free"."

He or we?

@@SekiroDubi Hi Sekiro! I have a question but i think it's a spoiler! It's regarding a secret gesture in the DLC! ( NOT THE ONE USED IN THE LATE GAME)

Would you be able to find the missing cutscene from the first gameplay reveal trailer of Miquella removing the veil from the Scadutree?

here here!

st.trina is miquellas half. Just as his mom having radagon

You can do it. I believe in you.

um, this might make the game unfun for you. basically reach the soft cap for strength, faith, endurance, and vigor, use moore's full equipment and antspur rapier with blood tuning. and all the damage negation talisman. just go, shield, poke, win credits to let me tank him (idk his yt username so..)

@@MyrtDFY Boring build and way to play but it may save quite alot of frustration with some of the bosses.

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“Speaking the language of gods.” Dang it, that’s what she was trying to avoid!

It's a placeholder

took me a second. not bad :)

There is no parallel st Trina is a natural creation from miquella attempt to gain godhood using the haligtree. Radagon was a champion and separate from Marika until the greater will forced them together. Miquella obtained a natural counterpart by himself and no one elses power m

@@ramoraidur comment makes no sense. st trina is miquellas other half just like radagon is marika’s half and it can be presumed it is a property of being a true candidate for godhood

@@ramoraid most of the lore community is of the opinion that Radagon and Marika have always been one entity (though that’s not fully settled) According to Melina, Marika calls Radagon her “other self”, and a ghost refers to Trina as Miquella’s “other self”, so it is fair to say that the relationship is similar

@@ramoraid nothing you said was true man

@@samueleborn9909 many in the lore community are following the popular KZfaqr theories but they are wrong in some key ways and do not take into account several pieces of lore related to magic. In the fire giant related items it is mentioned than they found the fell god one day then they took its power in and that gave them their red hair. We also know that giants had small kin and even deformed kin of a stature comparable to the folks of the land between. So Radagons red hair is a characteristic that can only come from being a descendant of the fire giants. we know Marika is a numen and did not hold that type of magic but something different, a gold type of magic. And Marika claiming "thou are yet to become me" is very telling but ignore by many. Many theorist have it wrong and also fail to consider than st Trina only came to be because miquella was successful in gaining godhood using his haligtree.

And why the hell Miquella was riding torrent

@@rakudai5972 torrent was originally miquellas, we get dialogue when we get the horse as well as the bell bearing that we use to summon, both of those items refer to miquella as the previous owner and iirc miquella is the one who crafted spirit summoning related things.

The implications here are pretty crazy to consider. You get torrent from Melina, and you get the summoning bell from Ranni. It seems like Miquella wanted us to kill Radahn so his souls could be brought back. If Torrent was his, and he created the spirit bell, then were Melina and Ranni working for him/under his spell the whole time, leading us down the path he wanted us to follow?

and the sky being unveiled

@@CarbonFiberSwan I was thinking this too. Mohg might not have been the only one under miquellas control. Maybe a lot more demi gods were under too. Though I do think when ranni became a doll she removed herself from the grip.

Thats def what they said, i dont understand why they wouldnt put the captions on tho 🤦

@@xan42O There isn't much reason to make captions for cut content, since they didn't intend for anyone to see it

Even lady leda says St Trina has boundless love for miquella and she wouldnt turn against him even after being cast away. St trina knows godhood would be a prison and curse for miquella so she begs you to grant him forgiveness my killing him. It’s a tragic situation.

I don't think Miquella was prevented from dying, so if he only wanted to kill himself, nothing would really be stopping him. In the case of Golden Epitaph's description, Miquella was trying whatever he could to stop the Death Blight plague. Killing Godwyn's body was the first effort and apparently failed, so the next effort was to revive Godwyn's soul with the Castle Sol ritual.

Well damm. Didnt see that connection.

Because when you kill Miquella, St Trina will die alone with him at the same time. So coming back and finding she is dead makes it even more sad and tragic.

@@asia911 ye but it would be quite cool to drink of the last bit of nectar from the corpse and hear her final thoughts through that.

@@asia911sure but it would’ve been nice to get more closure. A flask back doesn’t really feel like a satisfying ending.

@@heyitsquang285it would make literally 0 sense if you could talk to her after miquella is gone

@@bbillynotreally you could just talk to her once and then she fades away. This Elden Ring we’re talking about nothing makes sense

You either git gud, or wait long enough for the boss to be nerfed.

I finally beat the boss, and how are you meant to dodge that meteor? I never managed it. Only reason I ever survived was because one of my messages got appraised between the first and second hit of the meteor, just barely allowing me to survive the attack.

@@casual2694 You only have to dodge the center one and the big explosion after the 5th one. He tries to go in a X pattern (starting with the center, then each end point) but if you're close to a wall it'll get weird and the explosions overlap much more than normal. The play is when you see his HP near the word "consort" try to position in the center. When the HP is under the letters "ONS" start buffing after whatever attack he's doing and go center stage. Locate Star>Run at the star and Dodge/Roll/Vow of the Indomitable as soon as you hear an audio cue from it. Listen for 3 more Dives and dodge/etc again. I beat him with an SL 10 after 14 hours today, it was awful lol.

@@casual2694 Just turn back and run away. It is similar to the original radahn meteor avoid strat.

@@KKKuma It very specifically seems to target where you were when he jumped versus tracking you. Second he jumps you just run as far from that spot as possible.

How so?

ye...

I bet if those wete meant to be two dlcs a lot landed on cutting room floor. I bet it would've been DS3 situation, with mesmer in place of sister fride as the final boss of first dlc. Everything after mesmer kinda sucks.

I don’t feel that way. What do you think is missing?

​@@10hawelli have to agree, the first half of the DLC feels like painted world, and the second half felt like late ringed city. I wouldnt be surprised if they were 2 DLC combined into one.

a deity that lives for a few minutes might as well not have existed, discarding love was a mistake as its half the reason we go after her, there other is mogh but that alone wouldn't be enough

Trina isn't his love, she was abandoned alongside his ability to love.

Yeah i got that inpression from abyssal woods and ruins of rauh . Tbh it doesn't bother me because we got a huge amount of content but still i wish they didn't cut stuff all the time in their games ( although atleast this isn't a ds3 situation where it was a completley different game )

Yeah abyssal woods was the biggest for me. Really y'all made a whole area and its filled with rats and one new enemy type? Then midras house you can go through and get all the items in less than 20 mins.

Like how he forgave Trina by throwing her down the coffin?😢

@@W.H.138 That was his love, he separated himself from it in a childish delusion of creating an Age of Compassion, this is what we Tarnished must find the love in our hearts to forgive Kindly Miquella for he truly wanted a Kinder Reality Even Saintly Trina found empathy in her distraught state to desire a free loving Miquella not one caged in a cold uncaring Divinity

Maybe they should've kept it but I think it makes sense why they removed it , it wouldn't make a lot if sense for trina to be alive after killing miquella . Plus finding just the corpse laying there is also impactful . Although i wished we got a proper cutscene after killing miquella or another ending for the dlc

To hear that line you should need to drink her nectar one last time, which she can't give you if she is already dead. What they could have done Imo is giving us the dialogue as an easter egg if we rest at a grace while wearing the flower we take from her, or something like that.

yeah that part seemed so important I'm super confused about it

He's a spirit so it would make sense that he simply fades away upon death

no it's all been datamined. Nameless King was also found within days

It does certainly seem like it should have a larger purpose, with how grand the building in front of it is. And I've also been wondering about Mesmer's Kindling, it'd be cool if we could somehow use it on the Erdtree instead of Melina or Frenzy.

Obviously not 100% sure but chalices or bassins (they look exactly the same) are under every erdtree in the game to collect falling crystal tears; to make physicks. Considering Blessings of Marika are in physicks flasks I think she was fucking around with the tree/alchemy to cure her son Messmer. Probably why its all messed up too and might be related to whatever she did thats considered a betrayal.

@@nashiro1 That's quite sad tbh.

@@MrWinthrup Yeah, would be rlly cool if that was possible.

​@@nashiro1not just her cursed selfbegotten children, but her people's tormented fate in the jars. You find Perfumer tools all around the medical area where the shaman Jars are being... "Treated" in an attempt to "fix" them.

I don’t know, I feel like in divesting himself of Trina, they became separated. If killing him would also kill her, then it stands to reason that killing her would’ve also killed him. If that’s the case, she would’ve known that and just asked you to kill her in order to stop him. I don’t know if she even can die, she just fell into an eternal sleep or something like that 🤷🏼‍♂️

​​​@@CarbonFiberSwanI think she has bound with Miquella but Miquella have no bound with St. Trina. Saint Trina lives because of Miquella. Because she is alter ego of Miquella. So, if we kill Saint Trina, it means we only kill Miquella's alter ego. Marika and Radagon situation is also same. When we kill Elden Beast we get God Slain. But Elden Beast is not a God. Its just a vassal to Greater Will. But what Elden Beast did before we fight? It transformed Radagon to a sword. So in a term we killed Radagon. That's why we got God Slain. But Marika's empty husk still is a God. Elden Beast just separated them in a way. But Marika didn't die. Because Radagon is her alter ego. And we became Elden Lord, we can't be a lord if there is no God. Even Enia says Marika still remains as God and be her Lord. Marika only dies when we get Frenzied Flame Ending. Because frenzied flame also destroys souls. That is why Marika's body shattered.

@@CarbonFiberSwan She comes from Miquella, Miquella doesn't come from her. That alone makes it make sense that killing him would also kill her but not the other way around.

I assume he would have said that after we killed Miquella, but since they seem to have drastically changed the ending close to the release date, they removed it.

@@hinkelstein1494 maybe it is still might be added in a future update

​@hinkelstein1494 I dunno about "drastic" endgame changes. We know they cut this minor moment and the more significant healing of the Scadutree (and that latter part might've been cut for PS4/PC performance issues), but I'm not aware of any other known major changes.

​@@hinkelstein1494yes, remember st trina is every bit a part of Miquella as Radagon is to Marika. They were one in the same until Miquella forcibly separated trina from their body At the end of the game after you kill Radahn and Miquella, if you go back to Trina, she is dead. Their deaths man they can both finally be free of the cruelty Miquella enacted on them both and pass on in peace

@@thetrueconnoisseur Well, I'd say cutting an entire cutscene that changes the story is a very big cut 4 months before release, no?

bro Godwyn is dead, like dead dead, the only dead demigod in soul. There's no way he'd come back in any way or form. Also Melina disappeared when she burnt herself to burn the tree, so she's gone too. Sure they could make up some bs excuse to bring her back but there's no need.

@@residente44 Godwyn is not dead. He still need a "true death". Melina is alive in Frenzied Flame ending. We don't even know if she is dead. Messmer's Kindling's item description says that he, like his younger sister, bore a vision of fire. She is Messmer's sister. She even show up in the DLC and you can talk to her if you have not finish the main game. She is the only one that cross over to the Shadow Realm from the main game so that means something.

@@asia911 you can talk to her but she speaks of the normal lands between stuff. She doesnt aknowledge youre in the shadowlands or the fact that you beat her brother. Shes just irrelevant to the plot. And godwyn is just dead hes just an immortal corpse with no soul, no conscience, no thoughts. Theres nothing theres but literal death

@@residente44 That's the problem with the DLC. So many loose ends of the lore from the main game left hanging or unresolved. Seems to me this was rush out the door. Such wasted opportunities what they could have added to the DLC.

tbh, It's a wasted opportunity that they did not make another questline involving one of Godwyn's Death Knights and the Eclipse. Imagine the implications of them performing the Eclipse Ritual successfully, that would actually be a more satisfying end to Godwyn's lore than the one in Fia's questline.

To hear that line you should need to drink her nectar one last time, which she can't give you if she is already dead.

What are you smoking?

30+ hours, best map design since Zelda TotK, awesome bosses, weapons and builds...and a lot of lore to uncover...best DLC ever...i just mad that i cannot erease my memories and play all new again.

​@@Codigoduro1 Don't you wish we got more bosses with cutscenes... more on that Frenzy mansion's story... more on Marika's village... on Godwyn's revival, for St. Trina to have more of an impact than a blabbing distorted corpse... for Belurat to be larger (at least half the size of Leyndell)... or the dragon peaks to be a bit more detailed like Faraum Azula... or more lore on GEQ and the godskins? Wishing is free man. We can applaud what they did right and simultaneously acknowledge where they left us wanting more, considering it's the only DLC there will be for ER.

@@mariofigueroa878 not everything needs answers. Think about all the questions we still have with Bloodborne and the souls games, doesn’t make them any less than what they are. More of a testament to the quality of the work when ya still want more eh?

@@mariofigueroa878 No, actually, I don't wish I had answers to all those things lol. I get why other people who are more new to Fromsoft want answers, but From rarely ever gives those to us. Bloodborne still has many unanswered questions that will never be answered. People spent just about every Dark Souls game trying to figure out who the pigmy could have been, but we were obviously never given an answer throughout the 3 games and DLCs. It doesn't make it worse or leave me feeling like I want more. And honestly, from the way you talk about things they DID give us, I don't think you would have been satisfied with answers if they were given to us. They let us speak and see St Trina, and you only see that as talking to "A babbling distorted corpse"... I have a feeling if they showed us a weakened, half dead Gloam Eye'd Queen saying "I am Melina, daughter of Marika" or some shit you'd still dismiss it as not enough. And we got a ton of lore about Marika and her people, we even know her motivation for making the erdtree and why she has been so brutal to the omen. I honestly can't imagine what more you could have wanted from Marika's village short of a cutscene, which would ruin the empty and abandoned mood they were going for. GRRM heavily teased that there is an Elden Ring show coming. As much as I personally dread to say it since I do not feel like watching a TV show for lore, there most certainly will be more answers when/if that ever materializes. Personally, what they do give us is enough for me. What they do give us recontextualized the whole game and several characters. That's a huge accomplishment.

setting him up for the final encounter was the entire point??? You learn so much about him through the npcs and his crosses. It’s like no one played the game and rushed to the bosses.

Before the DLC came out, I thought the worst they could do was to diminish Miquella to just a final boss. Like damn, it would be so good to have him appear as an actual character before the finale, instead of being only mentioned, and then killed.

It's almost like the crosses were building up to actually meeting him, creating a build up of anticipation in the player,. But no, everything has to have big dialog moments with 5 minute cutscenes or else it's lazy now. Subtlety is bad game design now, tell me everything to my face with several flashing lights and jingling keys or I WILL be angry! >:(

No one is saying he needs a 5 min. cut scene of.him talking to us but some actual dialogue with the character who the whole dlc is centered around would have been nice. All we get is NPC speculation and some crosses that say he abandoned his whole self to become a god woo. We learn more about messmer and radahn than miquella...

@@Unholyinsight the fourth isn’t in the game so not sure how that would happen. Happy to see a video though.

@@SekiroDubi It was in mine. I went back to her after the final boss fight.

@@Unholyinsight nice. You had an alternate version of the game nobody got 😊

@@SekiroDubi I don’t think so. I will try to do it again on my next play-through and capture it on video.

Caged by the false will of the Greater Will. Through its angelic children the Elden Beast and the Two Fingers. The things Marika chaffed against and cooked up the Eclipse plan for Miquella to break free from. But Miquella fails at everything... So he foolishly tried to repeat his mother's process of becoming a god... Which did work. But the outcome would be the unwanted exactly the same as Marika.

Yeah. I thought about that. Maybe I’ll try a different one

​@@SekiroDubicensor her eyes so we won't know that its st trina

@@RigorMortisguy the thumbnail? I changed it already

It seems completely cut

@@SekiroDubi It might be rude to say but I get the feeling of a rushed ending in places. Not ds1 level but still

@@maxashworth3364Nothing feels rushed, story changes happen during game development. They gave us an amazing final legacy dungeon, how is it unfinished?

@@vongolamistowleh, the final dungeon is kinda shit imo. Shadow Keep is leagues ahead of it

@@KhangNguyen-ij4xh I’m sorry but is a ridiculous statement. Shadow keep is amazing but so is the final one, its incredibly vertical with some amazing items you can loot.

They were but miquella cast st Trina away basically.

Miquella discarded his other half, Trina (along with his physical body), and sealed her away, even though she loves him.

Read the crosses, Miquella divests himself of everything to become a God, including St Trina.

Sr. Trina was apart of Miquella but was formed when he threw away a certain part of himself away

@@thetrueconnoisseur was his physical body the one in the cocoon? That was not a child’s body and what is the reason behind him casting his flesh and alter ego?

Part of me says "Yes" and part of me says "No".

Its true, those are things who get cut off the game.

@@ENDOFALLKNOWING C'MON IT'S PRETTY EASY TO DO A 3D MODEL IN BLENDER OR 3DMAX............... 🤣😂

That you cannot understand what they say, it doesn't mean this isn't playing the respective audio, in engine, as the cutscene would play it. "Thank you. Finally he'll be free". You're welcome