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Stalin's Great Terror. An interview with Prof. J. Arch Getty (UCLA)

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The Faculties

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@weronikachylaszem8553
@weronikachylaszem8553 4 жыл бұрын
It was a pleasure to listen such expert of Soviet Russia history. I'm from East Europa and i remember comunism and it's good that people still work on that extremally important topic. Very nice pronounce of russian surnames. 👏👏👏
@bianc5596
@bianc5596 4 жыл бұрын
Tell us about socialism in your country please!
@comNartheus
@comNartheus 7 жыл бұрын
Well, THIS man has better understanding of how the things were (and still are) carried out in Russia then anyone eose in the West.
@swordsheldhigh7934
@swordsheldhigh7934 6 жыл бұрын
Well most westerns couldnt even get into the russian archives, because russians keep referring to them as spies.
@laquintainternacional1966
@laquintainternacional1966 5 жыл бұрын
The U.S. during the Cold War sent hundreds of spies to sabotage the GDR so they could crush the USSR.
@johoward2251
@johoward2251 5 жыл бұрын
La Quinta Internacional There is truth to your comment
@johoward2251
@johoward2251 5 жыл бұрын
Андрей Назариков What do you mean by “carried out in Russian”
@AAA-qm9km
@AAA-qm9km 2 жыл бұрын
I may not agree with a lot of what he says about Stalin, but it's pretty obvious that he cares more about facts and being accurate to history than just trying to push a narrative, unlike Robert Conquest. It's funny that saying that Stalin didn't control the entire USSR is considered "Stalin apologia."
@josebarberena9564
@josebarberena9564 3 жыл бұрын
Oh what a treat to listen to this. The interviewer one of the best ive heare
@Richallmight2
@Richallmight2 3 жыл бұрын
Me too Vimeo have more vídeos of this man
@jcrios1917
@jcrios1917 4 жыл бұрын
26:13 "Stalin and the boys", just so happens to be the name of my band.
@IIBizzy
@IIBizzy 6 жыл бұрын
Fascinated how this people can take so many classes in different topics, in german neoliberal university education, you take a major an are supposed to stick with it and do it rather fast.
@annascott3542
@annascott3542 3 жыл бұрын
Speaking as someone took the first approach and declared at least three majors before finally settling on the one, it took twice as long to complete and cost twice the amount it would have, as a result. I say, you guys have the right idea. I think too much emphasis is put on finding fulfillment through a career. Instead a more practical and logical way to look at this question is something like this: a job is just a job that serves the purpose of providing a means to an end; allowing you to be a able to *live the kind of life* that will fulfill & satisfy you- which is very difficult to achieve when you’re either broke because the field you’re passionate about has no jobs or there are jobs but you can’t find employment, or wasting time searching for a career that will be fulfilling, and may never find. Really really though, it’s a truism that fulfillment comes from cultivating one’s inner self, along with (if one is lucky) satisfying relationships. Thus money, career, or any other external thing can increase, but not be a substitute for, leads me to think why even go to school? Ha jk, I’d be interested to know what the motivation is behind the German approach.
@VanlifewithAlan
@VanlifewithAlan 7 жыл бұрын
I find going into a totally disorganised archive to be really exciting. It as though one is about to discover something really interesting - in an organised archive is just like being in a library. I have only been in a totally disorganised one once - and that was in 1992 and I doubt it will happen again.
@donfox1036
@donfox1036 5 жыл бұрын
Interesting that the structure of Stalin’s dictatorship follows a mob or mafia model. It helps to explain why after the fall of the Soviet Union.the mobs took over under the oligarchs.
@laquintainternacional1966
@laquintainternacional1966 5 жыл бұрын
​@@donfox1036 Capitalism is Nazism. The anti-communist propaganda of the capitalists is just as similar as the Nazi propaganda. That's why in this video we dismantle anti-communist propaganda. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/lZNmm7pn0ZireJ8.html
@carlloccisano8849
@carlloccisano8849 Жыл бұрын
I took a modern 20th century European History class on 1989 at UC Riverside, and J. Arch Getty was my professor. I have extremely fond memories of him and this course!
@class87srule
@class87srule 7 жыл бұрын
This guy's PhD thesis was of great help when I wrote my Russian Studies B.A. Dissertation at Keele. Great revisionist overview of forced collectivisation.
@nox4298
@nox4298 6 жыл бұрын
revisionist?
@M0rshu1
@M0rshu1 6 жыл бұрын
I think he meant it in the academic, "against the tide" meaning.
@laquintainternacional1966
@laquintainternacional1966 5 жыл бұрын
That's not revisionism. It is showing some facts that dismantle the anti-communist propaganda of Conquest and Solzhenitsyn.
@nicolopiva2811
@nicolopiva2811 4 жыл бұрын
Everyone who believes is Solzhenitsyn and Conquest is drunk
@jcrios1917
@jcrios1917 4 жыл бұрын
@Ian McKinnon, is your dissertation available online by any chance? I'm currently studying Soviet Collectivization.
@alana1563
@alana1563 6 жыл бұрын
People will still be talking about the great J.V. Stalin for centuries to come!!
@theH0UNDSofD00M
@theH0UNDSofD00M 6 жыл бұрын
Something tells me that if you were digging gravel in a Siberian gulag, the great Joseph Stalin would be somewhat diminished in your eyes... If Putin bots had eyes, that is!
5 жыл бұрын
Had you lived during the Great Terror, you would have a different view!
@indefenceofmarxism-leninis671
@indefenceofmarxism-leninis671 5 жыл бұрын
@ Too bad that the absolute majority of the peasants and workers were completely unharmed, most didn't even know that a "purge" maelstrom was raging on. Nice try, however.
@adorno_gang37
@adorno_gang37 5 жыл бұрын
@@theH0UNDSofD00M You think "Putin bots" like Stalin or left-wing thought?
@killmemadame7046
@killmemadame7046 4 жыл бұрын
@@theH0UNDSofD00M ask molotov's wife, she really didn't mind.
@johoward2251
@johoward2251 5 жыл бұрын
11:45 That comment there, makes him a traitor and “Stalinist”, defenders of Steven Kotkin have called him that to me because of those kind of unbiased factual statements
@adorno_gang37
@adorno_gang37 5 жыл бұрын
Kotkin has personally been present at Bilderberg meetings, this should tell you something about his class alliances and political motivations lol.
@nikola4362
@nikola4362 3 ай бұрын
@@adorno_gang37 wow.. good to know :D
@readmelancholystrumpetmaster
@readmelancholystrumpetmaster 6 жыл бұрын
"She pushed me to write well." That's an academic in-joke.
@brianjones3191
@brianjones3191 4 жыл бұрын
Weldon Mix Will you explain it please?
@unclebanana
@unclebanana 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting this
@robertfeinberg748
@robertfeinberg748 3 жыл бұрын
I had Riasanovsky and Rieber, too. Great.
@ManiacMayhem7256
@ManiacMayhem7256 Ай бұрын
Im really confused with him talking about the Road to Terror book. I thought he wrote that a good while after the opening of the archives? Is he confusing it with Origins of the Great Purges, which he wrote before the opening of the archives?
@JohnLandau-rg4gh
@JohnLandau-rg4gh 4 ай бұрын
This does not explain why Stalin ordered the purge of the overwhelming majority of the delegates to the party Congress of 1934( I can't remember what number it was). This fact was a major theme of Khruschev's "secret speech" of 1656) to a later party congress in which hw denounced Stalin and his "cult of personality," essentially destroying his reputation within Russia. Some sources also report a massive purge of party members who had joined the party in the period 1974-to `924 (:enon's death). In this early stage of the 1930s purge, the dismissed ex-party members were not killed, but the priveleges that they enjoyed as party members were taken from them. The rationale was those purged were "opportunists" who only joined the party because it was in their interest to do so, not because they were sincere Bolsheviks.
@js_guyman
@js_guyman Жыл бұрын
6:00 on Conquest 36:15 Stalin only allowed this in '37-'38, he generally felt widespread purges created chaos and disorganization in the nation, yezhov became a drunk blabber mouth which pissed Stalin off
@liamthompson9090
@liamthompson9090 11 ай бұрын
You actually believe that Stalin didn't kill Kirov?😂😂😂
@blindbrick
@blindbrick 4 жыл бұрын
I wanted to know when this video was shot (I'm interested in history, so dates are important to me) So I look at the opening titles and see roman numerals. Why is this? Everyone knows these things are a pain in the butt to read. I have the strong suspicion it is snobbery.
@BiharyGabor
@BiharyGabor 2 жыл бұрын
You may need develope your knowledge to satisfy your interest. You cannot get too farin history if you have difficulties with roman numbers. Also, your firm belief that you are "everyone" may seriously obstruct your understanding of history.
@blindbrick
@blindbrick 2 жыл бұрын
@@BiharyGabor I'm a simple man, there's only so much my brain can handle. I'm talking about unnecessary use of roman numerals. U can find them everywhere, on the title page of books, movies, buildings. It is snobbery.
@BiharyGabor
@BiharyGabor 2 жыл бұрын
@@blindbrick Well, I think your position is that of simplicity. Sorry, reality is difficult. Live with that.
@zartig09
@zartig09 5 жыл бұрын
Toast was born in the bread queues.
@daviddeveloper44
@daviddeveloper44 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a real researcher. My takeaway from research was that Stalin was a great manipulator. Caused endless suffering to the Soviet people.
@weebgrinder-AIArtistPro
@weebgrinder-AIArtistPro 2 жыл бұрын
Check out Grover Furr for a different perspective, if you're interested. There are a bunch of videos of him giving talks here on KZfaq. Edit: No, don't. He a quack. Enough to drive any sensible ML to become a Trotskyist.
@joeylonglegs4309
@joeylonglegs4309 2 жыл бұрын
@@weebgrinder-AIArtistPro Grover Furr’s ideas have been refuted, and he doesn’t have any academic scholarship or anything in Soviet history or any other field of history.
@weebgrinder-AIArtistPro
@weebgrinder-AIArtistPro 2 жыл бұрын
@@joeylonglegs4309 Hah thank you. I've actually figured that out. Amazing how much one can change in a month. It's all "800k were killed not 20 million, therefore Stalin good. Also NKVD did all the dirty work so it's not his fault."
@elonmusksellssnakeoil1744
@elonmusksellssnakeoil1744 Жыл бұрын
@@weebgrinder-AIArtistPro, sure, the guy who wrote the book _Leon Trotsky's Collaboration with Germany and Japan_ will drive Marxists to become Trotskyists. Not sure how that will happen, but okay.
@nikola4362
@nikola4362 3 ай бұрын
@@joeylonglegs4309 refuted by whom? As far as I know he uses archival evidence (unlike many others). But I mean it, I would like to learn more, if you can point me to anything specific.
@sviatoslav972
@sviatoslav972 6 жыл бұрын
Getty would do better to just stick to relating information he finds than making conclusions about what all that data means. He has carried his naiveté with him through the years. It appears he has never really delved into understanding the psychology of people who lived through the experience of Soviet totalitarian rule and particularly the Stalinist terror. The major arguments that he pushed in his 1985 book remain far from having panned out. His biggest error was approaching the study of Soviet politics from a western perspective and believing that people in that system acted and thought as those in the West. He even believed that documents and transcripts were done and kept as they would be in the rest of the world and was surprised that there were huge chunks missing from protocols (not transcripts) of party gatherings and that protocols were tailored for different audiences and different times. He admits he had imagined fairly well defined groups in the Party leadership - this at a time when people were arrested and condemned simply by the company they kept. Getty doesn't appreciate what it meant to live in those times when nothing was certain, including what is "fact," and the only way to survive was to beat the guy who may be getting ready to point his finger at you as a state traitor and enemy. The fear was even greater among communist cadres than that which permeated Nazi structures. Can one imagine being punished with a 10-year sentence in concentration camps just for telling an anti-soviet joke to one's spouse or child? Getty never gave value to the testimonies of those who experienced communism on their own skin and even Soviet newspapers (propaganda rags) were awarded greater credence from Getty than actual bona fide witnesses to communist atrocities. Getty's compulsion to reduce Stalin's role in the Great Terror is really puzzling. Does he imagine that the purges were just an opportunity for groups at various levels to fight one another? Archival material proves that Stalin had a habit of coming up with numerical figures of enemies and then having his underlings meet those quotas. The arrest and execution of each and every victim was explained using the newest enemy terminology and accusations that came from atop. Worst of all the focus of Getty's research is mostly limited to what was happening with the leadership and ranks of the Communist Party. Purges of everyone else, from the intelligentsia, clergy, pre-revolutionary activists, cooperative leaders, farmers were taking place constantly while Stalin was in power having just picked up at where Lenin left off. Though the entire party leadership was behind those endless arrests, executions, deportations, it's crazy to consider that those repressions were not organized and orchestrated just like it's crazy to hold that the 1932-22 Famine in Ukraine, Kuban region and certain Volga regions was also not engineered by Stalin and his henchmen. Getty belongs to a whole group of Sovietologists who with their strange need to salvage and humanize the agents of communist genocides and mass terror have made a huge disservice to Truth and History.
@alana1563
@alana1563 6 жыл бұрын
Where did you get your sources?
@sagardhillon9270
@sagardhillon9270 5 жыл бұрын
The world is not black and white and cold war propaganda was produced by academia on both sides . Also Solzhenitsyn turned out to be great fantasist and raging anti Semite , Orwell is now known to be a plagerist and he also gave names of socialist sympathisers to British security state lastly Robert conquest also used a lot of anecdotal evidence which is not taken as credible by serious people and he also used Nazi newspapers as resources
@caffeinated4671
@caffeinated4671 5 жыл бұрын
What is the point of your post, other than a long meaningless diatribe and self-felatio?
@comradekalininkalinych2006
@comradekalininkalinych2006 4 жыл бұрын
Another Totalitarian school moron, I'll clue you in, you have been discredited since 1990.
@alanpennie8013
@alanpennie8013 3 жыл бұрын
@@caffeinated4671 Heaven knows. The Great Terror is so weird that thinking about it can mess you up. That's as close as I can get to understanding this poster who seems to see virtue in refusing to understand.
@zorroblue5530
@zorroblue5530 5 жыл бұрын
Is this man part of the rise of the Far -Left on college campuses throughout the USA ?
@owenstevens5139
@owenstevens5139 5 жыл бұрын
no, he is a historian
@donaldlynch4422
@donaldlynch4422 3 жыл бұрын
@@owenstevens5139 Facts, apparently, make one a far-leftist.
@ajaysidhu471
@ajaysidhu471 Жыл бұрын
@@donaldlynch4422 Is Wikipedia is unreliable when it comes to Stalin?
@levin5586
@levin5586 Жыл бұрын
​@@ajaysidhu471 Yess Google stalin real Serie
@ajaysidhu471
@ajaysidhu471 Жыл бұрын
@@levin5586 long live Stalin!
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