My grandfather has done this to train multiple dogs and they all preform in field just fine. He also Weill put dog back inside after doing this, makes a trail with scent/drags wing across the ground, puts said wing into a bush or tree, and then lets the dog out to sniff and find the wing

I have been training pointers for 35 years and guide at a local Hunt club and I still us the wing and rod .if you train on short grass it is a sight point but if you don't have access to live birds it is a great tool you just have to be creative ( tall grass or at night) will work the nose. The true purpose of the wing is to trigger the instinct of pointing. You can also steady a dog on point with it. You just have to know how to use the tools you have at your disposal

I absolutely 100 % agree! Did the very thing you talk about with both my GSP and my English Pointer. Once. Then they went to working with real birds. That brought out their noises, and the wind direction , and the dew point, and temperature. But you are right on . I AGREE.

Great demonstration. Bird dog training is such a learning curve, i am on my first dog and started him this way and now that he is 1 year old I can definitely see how he is trying to sight point birds and bunnies more so than use his sniffer! I wish this video had come out last summer! I will be getting some live quail and pidge this summer so hopefully i can get him pointing scent. Thanks for the always awesome content, it's helped me so much throughout the training process.

Good sound advice. I have been enthusiastically watching your training videos. I love training but 12 to 13 years between puppies; it’s easy to forget even the basics. Again, great job on your videos! Doc Amtower

Such a good boy! Genuine style in that point.

Wow, glad you made this video before I get my GSP. Love the content your putting out, thanks

I had an issue with extra loud fireworks a couple days ago, as I mentioned to you in a private message.. I had my grandson sit back with a blank gun and used the wing on a string to get them excited. While they were distracted my grandson took a couple shots and the pups ignored the gun shots. Which for me was a relief. But both puppies got bored with the wing in about 2 minutes. I won't be doing it again but it was a good distraction for a quick check to see if the fireworks caused a terrible setback in my gun introduction. Great videos ! And thank you for the information when I contacted you!!!

I 100 % agree, we always train the pups and young dogs with living hidden birds so they have to smell then. And what a beautiful pup you got there.

He’s adorable!!!!!

Fantastic way to show prove the point and great way of showing it

Awesome demo by trainer, puppy (star of the show), wing, and dish cloth!

Question: Why not just put some scent on the wing and it teaches the dog to use both scent and sight. Naturally they will associate both senses with pointing. Maybe I am wrong here cause I am just a beginner but that’s the first thing I thought. Also, you could start with this to show how to play the game then put the pup in some tall grass and see if he/she will just use scent to point? Let me know what you think?

What do you recommend using, weither it be a techniques or item, to improve the sent tracking?

What would be the corresponding drill to train the pointing on scent, that you use instead?

Beautiful pup !!

What a beautiful pup!

Beautiful, beautiful pup!!😯😍

very nice video. And that pup is very stylish and will on his way to be an eye popper on point. This is just my opinion so you can take it or leave it lol. This is certainly a fun game to play with your pup and you do see what kind of style your pup has by playing it. And your correct, you don't want to over do it. And yes it does encourage sight pointing. However if you do it at night to discourage his eyesight then he learns to use his nose. And believe it or not there is a scent on that wing and on that rag or whatever you use that your puppy can smell that we cannot. Of course if the wind is to his back (at night) then he won't point it, because he can't see it. But when he moves around to look for it and then sees it move cuz he got too close then if the wind is in his favor he will smell it and associate that scent with the object thereby learning how to use his nose. He will then move around and learn to use the wind and point on scent. I've done this for many many years but again I do not overdo it. Doing it at night with very little light definitely teaches them how to use their nose It's amazing how quickly they learn that when they can't see it. The other thing is there's no way that you will ever be able to completely eliminate a dog seeing a bird in the wild on a wild bird hunt. So you want to make sure that he is well-rounded and prepared. And certainly not if you're doing put and take hunts or field trials. So your dog has to know how to handle birds visually as well as with his nose. So I cross train for it personally. I have been in those trials when my dog is on point 100 yards across the field and by the time I get there, he and that bird are looking each other in the eye having a conversation and that dog never attempted to take that bird out. If he had then I would lose points on that find. And while the dog is still steady I walk by the dog, flush the bird, shoot the bird, the dog gets the retrieve and we together get all the points for that find. So in that scenario, in my opinion for whatever it's worth, it's beneficial then to have a dog savvy with pointing by sight and by scent. I know this is a long drawn out response and I probably could have said it using less words but thank you anyway for taking the time to read my mini story 👍🏿

Great job!!! What an adorable puppy!!!

Olá, sou do Brasil e um escrito do canal. Meus parabéns seu canal tem muito conteúdo. Tem algum vídeo ensinando a forma correta de ensinar o cão a parar e apontar a ave? Desde agora obrigado.

Great video, the way I find easiest to explain, if you want your dog to hunt by sight, get a sight hound. Why have a dog with a cracking nose to not use it? Doesn't make sense

Awesome 👏🏾 I never saw a dog do that

Great video

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS! I just spent all afternoon building wings for strings. LOL. OOps. It was my exact question to my English Setter breeder, was isn't this sight and not scent? They do it will all their pups. I am going to stop now and get real quail. Its what my instinct told me anyway. lol.

Strongly Agree! This is the first step. Next step is to go out on a field with high grass and do the same to train the nose !!!

Amazing video

Wow.. He's a handsome young pup!!

Lovely video.

You guys have the greatest dogs and your ok to

what ever happened to thunder? what a beautiful point at that age. Would be cool to see him today(april 2021) to see how this little guy is doing. Love his color and markings. I have a 5mo old female that is same coloring but just one spot on the one side. beautiful dogs.

He's a pretty pup!

could this be done in longer grass to block eye sight and use something with a scent to get that nose working ?

How many weeks does a GSP can learn how to hunt and what’s a good way to teach it

Hi, what action and lb line do you recommend with this drill? I personally like a medium action rod with 8 lbs test for walleye, but I've never caught a pointer before.

very nice person you are

Ive seen this video in the past. Some how stumbled upon it again.. And thunder looks ALOT like the puppy ill be picking up in just a few weeks

Nice

So you did do a training episode with thunder

Agree 100%

This is real cool.. but got your point ... thanks for sharing :)

Buen porte, estilo y bien estructurado.Enhorabuena.

From argentina!!! Excelent dog man. Hunter

Would this same principle work if training the puppy to tree a squirrel as well ?

Awesome doggie

If you have time I have one question. What two color genetics of dogs do you need to get that black and ticked coat. Just curious. Thank you and love all your videos.

Muito bom

Wow good looking dog he’s all there I get it good point ha

as you stated this is not grate for having the dog learn to use its nose to find the bird then what method do you recommend for this?

I just got a new GSP puppy 8 weeks old & was waiting to get a wing to training with! Do thanks for the warning not to do that! I'll keep watching!

Thanks for this info , now I know I need to stop doing this.

I have a drahthaar that someone prior to me trained this way. I am the 4th owner. He is more than a hand full. But because that was his primary point training I can not take him fishing. As soon as I get out a fishing pole he goes bonkers. I love to fish and can not take my dog.

Ай да молодец, глаз радует молец! 👍

i used to fish with a springer spaniel molly always caught more fish than i did and i was a good fisherman

That’s awesome, keep it up , love that breed , I have 8 of them my self , God Bless

Appreciate the video- Thunder is a handsome pup. You say what not to do, but would appreciate a video of you saying what you recommend doing instead

I've played this game with my pup in tall grass and even deep brush and she was working the wind to find the scent and point.

Hermoso cachorro felicitaciones

This begs the question;what is the training modality for training him to use his nose?

Is good

Hi Attiq Shaiq here from Lahore Pakistan very good training sir really shocked so active dog and how much hi old I have also gsp DOg at my home hi is 30 days old I wanna train same like that.

Resgatei um abandonado que estava na rua recentemente muito carinhoso

I agree. If you do this too much, they won't hold a bird, they chase

What if you put some Quail scent spray on the wing and hid it and used the fishing pole to make it fly around? Do you think there would be some value in that? Because then you are nose and his eyes

So I we got our gsp about 2 months ago! He’s about 7 months now, how should I go with training him?

We use a wing but in much more dense foliage, and only when the puppies are very very young. Soon as the puppies are a little younger then the one in your video, we move them onto live Birds in Brush. Everything is always training in pretty heavy brush never an open field like that. We do all our hunting in Hawaii and it's never open like that.

Hi if he is not pointing but only chasing what that means that the puppy has not hood Gene's?What can we do about it

What time do you feed your pup and how many times in a day? Thank you!

How do you transition to sent training after you just performed this drill one time?

So if not this how do u start training for birds at an early age like this

I have a genuine question. What is the difference between this drill and the video you guys recently uploaded introducing the pups to birds? Both seem very sight driven and the bird introduction seems to only lead to chasing a bird. Thanks in advance.

If I ever find a housecat treeing competition my GSP is a world champion for sure.

Į love dis doog

Отлично!!!!

I played this game the first day I brought my WPG pup home. Then never did it again. As predicted, he locked up on point. The breeder I bought him from said it really proves nothing as the pup is only sight pointing something he sees and isn't using his nose. He recommended basic obedience training at this age and leave the goofy pet tricks to other non hunting breeds. RIP George "Pat" McKinley.

So what is a good productive puppy game for us to do?

I’ve done this multiple times not knowing any better since this is my first gsp. She’s 19 weeks and I’ve had her on multiple birds but still no point yet. Do you think this is a problem I can undo if so how?

Can you point me to a solid reputable breeder? Where do you buy your GSP?

First time to the channel. Thunder seems like a great dog. I disagree with your assessment of this drill. I have done dozens of dogs with this drill. I have had 100% success with dogs leaning to point SIGHT AND SMELL. I think it comes down to the trainer. Maybe do follow up video on how to do it right. For example..use tallet grass and various conditions. Anyway thanks for your time.

My grandpa used a fishing rod and a wing now his dog chases my lures when I go fishing around the dog

Good video. It should be compulsory viewing. I agree that wing on a string is a pointless drill. ( no pun intended). Usually this involves a piece of string with a wing on one end and an idiot on the other. Encourages dogs to false point.

THUNDER NA NA NA NAA NA NA NA NAA 🎵🎵🎵

Wow ...

My pup always playing with cloth ..no point what to do?

Tony

I want you to post a dog lesson on how to bring the bird you caught

Serious question. There has been a string of robberies in my neighborhood this week and I get my puppy Saturday. I don't want the puppy to sleep in my room because I believe that they need to learn being alone is a part of life and I don't want to create a dog with separation anxiety. On the other hand I do not want the dog on the first floor where he can be seen by the robbers. I have a big family and every room has someone in it so I can't just put him in a different room unless it's on the first floor where he can be seen. Also the basement isn't really an option. Dad sleeps in one room down there and my brother stays up till 4 am in the other. What should I do!

I’ve been doing this unaware of what it would do to my dog and After watching this video realized my dog isn’t putting her nose to the ground and looking for birds and have no clue how to correct it

So what’s recommended for us city boys that don’t have access to acres of land and pigeons?

and how you teach em to use nose ?

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Hi I have seen a video of usa gundog trials, and I saw that the competitor was given a gun too shoot the flushed bird, is this common practice in trials in the US, if so why don't competitor s use their own guns

Que buenoo!!!guapoooo!!!!!

The age of the boy, teacher 

I want to buy him.

Provided a problem with no solution…

What kind of dog is that?

Why the pink gun

Great job, worse thing ever to do. I would rather put quail out and let them use there nose.

What if a dog chase the bird and she not pointing