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Sorry, we don't have much experience with how the German Down Signal is used. We use whoa as a way to hold our dogs accountable to staying on point once they have established point. We can build on the basics of whoa later for more advanced steadiness.

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Just remember, whoa is whoa and here is here. It can be confusing to the dog. There are different ways to help with this. I like to use a heel command and then give the whoa command with a slight pause and step off to get the dog to stop and stand still. If I can get the dog to do this, then I take another intermediate step and go to a 20' check cord and just let the dog walk around at will and work on the whoa command. By using the check cord, I can take up some of it to get closer to the dog and give a slight upward tug as a correction if needed. I also only use one (1) point of contact: the neck. My dog won't be running in the field with a belly collar. I avoid another transition step by having to go away from the belly collar. And remember: Whoa is just a command that means to stop and stand still. It has nothing to do with birds, bumpers, toys, balls, etc. Set your dog up for success. Break it down into little steps of success. Short leash; check cord; free running. Good luck and be patient and happy when working with your dog.

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Thanks for the opinion! Do you train hunting dogs? Or any other type of working dog?

E-collars are excellent tools for training dogs. The trainer owes the animal the responsibility of using the tool correctly. The command needs to be taught and understood first and then the collar over-laid on top of the foundational training. For us hunting dog enthusiasts, the e-collar combined with line-of-sight telemetry can actually be a life saving tool. The e-collar is now a mile long leash that humanely assists with commands. In my 20 years of using e-collars I can attest to my dogs actually getting excited when I bring the collars out because they associate them with having fun and going hunting. They have never cowered or run away from putting them on.

@@StandingStoneKennels My training experience goes back 60 years. I train Upland and Waterfowl dogs. I have used all forms of training to include your method. My main philosophy has evolved from primitive harsh metdods to using Positive Reinforcement Training. My observation of many dogs trained with methods that employ compulsion have developed damaged dogs. Over the years, I have repaired many dogs trained with collar conditioning. I am an advocate for positive training. Respectively submitted, W. Dale Hubbard, Ph.D.

Positive reinforcement like... applying pressure around the waist with a check cord? lol

@@DrDaleHubbardPhD I’m 70 years old been training English pointer’s since I was 10 years old also have trained a lot of retrievers. I agree with you. Most trainers destroy good prospects with improper E collar use and not positive reinforcement

Because if you have the dog trying to flush the bird when you do it can be a problem

If the dog is too far away from you, flushing the bird now it will get away. Or if dog is approaching danger like other shooters, or animals, or maybe it's just the other dog's turn.

How soon after Dottie did you get another one? Mine is the same age and love him more than any dog I've had.

@@brucecarne7256 it’s been 10 months and I’ve yet to get another GSP. I’m planning on getting one in late spring 2023.

I couldn’t handle my empty home. I lost mine last week and found a new buddy that will be ready for pick up in January. It’s not a replacement. I just a new journey.

@@patrickedmondson6052 good luck! The void is so hard to fill.