That's a great point and maybe when it's all said and done, 3/4 shields will be common for that size ship but we'll have to wait and see.

Interesting, and heartening. While the new ship is exciting, it IS more powerful, not just in any one way, but in the ways it is strong work together. It is just really well designed. It covers common use cases. The 4 shields, lower turret, superior sensors + smallish, low profile design, huge fuel tanks, oversized quantum drive, redundant systems, and a cargo bay for a decent sized vehicle or a good chunk of loot would make it... potentially the fastest, best sig to radar, ultra longestest distance ship in the game? And for all that, it's a flexible, Cutty-ish 1 to 3 person, live-aboardable, "do a little of everything," type ship, with some capabilities in excess of much larger ones. "Must have" ships suck. I'm getting one, but they suck. 😅

Yeah but it'll take a fuck ton of the time before they actually update the old ships, don't forget that this a lot of work and they'll prioritize something else so by the time they actually rework this well there might be another "new standard"

Ok, that's good to know. Though I am worried about power creep.

So basically buy what's looks cool.

Well 600i ccu savings 😁

The DUR has such great capacitor and fuel levels, tends to be underrated imo. But yeah RSI for sure is winning me over with all the latest ships.

Whats crusader then?

@@alexblend4751 who? ;)

I think the Carrack has two large radars and MKii has one large, but yeah interesting point for sure.

That’s a good point, I think I read another comment mentioning it as well. Something to consider for sure. I’m curious though if there will be non official large jump points that we can find and use since the Carrack has that ability. i don’t know if CIG has mentioned anything on that recently.

@@sorecgaming CIG mentioned "unofficial unstable back routes" In reference to additional intersystem jump points not noted on the ARK star map, we haven't heard anything about them since they where first mentioned, which was in 2020 iirc, and if they where still planned, I see them being quite dangerous, which in of itself is another thing to be concerned with in a larger ship.

This was a hard choice for me... save some money, an "almost" comp to the 400i, and modern RSI looks. But the dedicated X1 and size 3 shield sealed the deal. Not to say I won't ever change my mind as SC continues to become more feature rich, the fleet keeps fluctuating.

My issue is once you put a vehicle in the Zeus ER you have no cargo. The 400i has 48 CU and a Cylone barely fits. A Mule is too tall I believe so that leaves an STV which does fit nicely and leaves some cargo space....then you also have a bike garage on the 400i. So could skip a 'car'. The Zeus ER looks great apart from it's cargo of 32 SCU I suspect the option is going to be ground vehicle OR cargo.

Well with many ships they often increase in size from concept to accommodate basic things like this. I personally think it might get a bit larger. I'm sure you could fit some cargo it it with vehicle, and for an expedition you're still going to fit all the food/supplies you could need within the interior storage, and stack those small scu boxes everywhere, akin to a german u-boat in ww2 when it's fresh out leaving on a new patrol with food everywhere. I love the 400, I just don't think it's going to give me a higher chance of making actual discoveries than the zeus ES. I'm pretty sure it also has a larger volume of Qauntum fuel so theres another reason why you're more likely to make those discoveries. It's a hard matchup, and the 400i still does a lot of things better - it's components can probably expect a longer life with that climate controlled location. I'd def pick the 400i if i my plan was to just go somewhere and enjoy a long trip enjoying views. But go with the zeus if you're looking to get your name down in the sc hstory books and be the first person to step foot on that planet.@@eagle_rb_mmoomin_418

@@jde-jj1lu you know the 400i is classed as a large ship. Lots of ships are going to have their stats updated. Currently you have the 400i and Aquila marked as large vessels without large components .. .while a medium explorer in the class below does.......That's going to be changing as the stats changes filter through.

I'm still willing to bet it's got better scanners than the 400i.@@eagle_rb_mmoomin_418

Glad you enjoyed it! I feel the same about the cargo space with the 400i.

You think ES will fit Ursa? They said cyclone sized vehicle. But you can fit cyclone in the back of A1 so I think and hope that ES will fit Ursa

@@petrcoufal1747 My mistake... I meant Cyclone.

the ursa : 5.5m ; the Fury : 5.4m. - The fury can be stored in Nomad : in 2x(3x4) SCU . - The Zeus' ramp seems to be the size of a 4 SCU than the storage area. (1 SCU = 1,25m + the space between the SCUs ) ► May be, we can stored a Ursa in Zeus

No way its clearing that door if you look up the cyclone image the wheels look like it will barely clear the door@@fea665

You can fit a cyclone in a 400i, can't you? It can't fit the Ursa, but I think that's just because of the height it sits when landed. They did raise it so it could fit in, but then a vocal minority complained and they lowered it again 😢

I truly think the 400i sits between the Aquila and DUR, that’s just my opinion. But with that in mind, gives some context in why I was deciding between the two. I’m typically a solo player but want a capable exploration ship.

@sorecgaming I honestly think this ship is the first actual cutty killer. Everything else has been too compromised in some way to reach the balance. This ship does it by being a bit fatter but not too much. And I suspect at least on release not use too much more fuel. As you note, an important consideration with pyro. The 400 sits in a odd space but it is far more like the constellation than the medium ships it sits above. Personally I hate origin style on the bigger ships, but I know many love them. I think the 400 is more like a tourer than a pure exploration ship. Like the 890 it's about experience and enjoying the trip as much as the destination. Personally I just want something more "blue collar" a work horse if you will.

All fair points. I like modern industrial style myself. I may still end up with a mostly RSI fleet. I really wish CIG would allow origin to tap more into industrial or military. Mercedes has trucks and work vehicles, I feel like they can pull it off in lore.

That's what CIG wanted to make us believe but no. I own a 400i and I love it but any Constellation performs better in almost every way. The 400i it's a luxury and better Freelancer DUR, but no match for the Connies.

Yeah I briefly touched on this towards the end and can be a deciding factor. May still be for me if I decide on swapping around ships in my fleet. But I think IAE will be bring an RSI mining ship which I’m hoping to add.

Pretty sure both will be using the same jump points. Both are medium ships and the 400i is really smaller than what he makes it out to be. The 400i is a medium size ship and in a landing bay looks smaller than the Andromeda. He made a mistake when he said it was a large size ship. The 600i is a large ship and the only large ship Origin offers.

@@michaelmichaelagnew8503 Where is the 400i listed as a medium ship? The matrix lists the 400i as “large”. I know the matrix is frequently unreliable but it’s still comparable to the Aquila in both length and mass.

@@scotterpop8812 i think they will eventually change it to medium since the actual large ships are allot longer. But yes it does say under specifications its a large ship but its dimensions like the andromeda are medium size. The specifications don’t make sense to me. If its a large ship the need to make the ship allot bigger like how the 600i and the carrack is since they are allot bigger. Shoot even the 600i uses almost all medium components but that ship os getting a rework.

@@michaelmichaelagnew8503I think we are discussing two different mechanics. CIG has repeatedly said the freelancer max is the largest ship that will be able to use small jump points. In the Zeus Q&A, CIG confirmed that the Zeus will also be able to use the smallest jump points. This mechanic is still under development and could certainly change. However, with our current understanding of jump points there can be little doubt that the 400i will not be able to use the smallest jump points as it is significantly longer and heavier than the largest confirmed ships able to use them. This may allow smaller ships to utilize the widest variety of travel routes making their journeys shorter and/or safer than the paths available to larger ships.

@@scotterpop8812 Im going to wait and see what they decide down the road. They keep on changing what they want. Once all this is set in stone ill worry about it then.

I can be one of your crew members

I also have a 400i & Carrack for the same reasons, thinking on the CL to go thru the small jump points, but after the Q&A.

I think the rear turrets on the 400i are probably best as PDS turrets. So blading them makes sense. If I was going to fly around with friends I agree I would use a Zues-MR or maybe something else.

400i is a medium ship with medium components he made a mistake in the video calling it a large ship. The 600i is Origins large ship. The 400i does have a size 3 shield, but the other same size multi role medium ships have the same size shield.

The scanner is designed to read/intercept transmissions and maybe detect ships better than average ship. It's not going to be good at finding wormholes/planets or organic life like an actual exploration scanner like the aquilla/ES/Carrack.

@@jde-jj1lu They should have multiple variants tbf

Yeah I would have to do some research on the DUR and Aquila, but just base on my experience with both ships, I think they're great. Knowing what their potential will be with the new scanning tech and gold pass, it'll be another tough decision for sure.

@@sorecgaming I have three exploration ships in my hangar: Aquila, Zeus MK II ES and a 315p. I feel they’re different enough where having all three will be worthwhile.

I follow the same approach with my ships, I have a ton of buy backs. Like you said, so much can change from here to when release. Appreciate the comment 👍🏼

I dont think the 400i is going to have a particularly impressive radar. The type of radar is also important to remember. My understanding is the type of scanner on the terrapin & scout are kitted out to located ships and such, not spacial anomalies, planetary/organic objects and such. The real explorers with real explorer capabilities are labelled 'expedition'. One's labelled touring are often not as good as finding things, they're more made to explore things already found in comfort or survey. If you think the 400i is going to have scanners on par with the zeus ES i think you will be disappointed.

A lot of fair points. I too wish the ROC would fit in the 400i and prefer ramp over elevator. Since the 400i has two rear face remote turrets, I assume these can be AI blades in the future making more worthy of a solo ship. The rover & X1 cons are valid points but I’m ok with that sacrifice.

I find using the entrance to the 400i to be very fast compared to the MSR (which uses an elevator just like the 400i though not as efficient). I think the only problem is the elevator issue where it malfunctions. But it goes down instantly and goes up instantly so it's very fast. You also have half the doors to open up in the 400i when getting to the cockpit which is only 2 compared to the MSR's 4 (Might be 3 but it's been a while since I used it.) I also can't stand trying to land the MSR in Third person cause those engines are so blinding that I can't see much at night. There are allot of other things I can point out but I'm not going to bother. The 400i is also faster than the MSR. In fact the 400i is almost as fast as small fighters except in maneuverability.

I replaced my RAFT with the CL (as badly as I wanted the RAFT to work with my gameplay) it simply didn’t fit the bill.

@sorecgaming Now that is a good point. I have a Raft as well. Depending on just how the 32 scu crates work on it, maybe it can be replaced with the CL and become something else in the future.

I hear ya, I melted like four recently and have my buy back tokens, trying to simplify my fleet. But let’s see what IAE brings 😬

When the 600i rework gets done, I may very well CCU the 400i to it. Just waiting to see it completed first.

Fair point. I wouldn't want to really go on the offense with the 400i or ES unless necessary, but in that scenario the turrets give you a little bit more insurance in my opinion, having top and bottom rear coverage as you try to get away. Fun discussion though.

@@sorecgaming hmm some of the "exploration" ships aren't that bad tho, 600i is technically exploration, but is one of the best mission runners atm, corsair also technically exploration, same thing, great for combat, even the exploration constellation is still great for combat. I'd very much still consider the 400i for combat thanks to it's huge shield capacity.

​@@XeonzsI think with master modes incoming the 400i might get popular as a running away ship just due to its speed. The Zeus is apparently not that fast or manouverable which would explain the uppoed shields on the ER and apparently additional armour on the MR.

@@eagle_rb_mmoomin_418 if running away then I guess the backwards facing turrets have a bit higher value that my original perspective. However all 3 currently playable QT dampening ships have both a higher SCM and max speed than the 400i and these are the kind of ships I'd expect to be pirating, so their prey can't get away. At that point it becomes an issue of having the crew to man those turrets, which if you're running away probably aren't. At that point you're better off in an Andromeda, same shield, double the cargo, double the overall ship health, more than double the pilot firepower. It does have 40% less QT fuel and 20% less turret DPS, but it also costs 10 dollars less or 3 million less in-game. (This is all comparing stock loadouts) I really like the 400i when I first started out and buying ships, but as time went on I felt like it didn't provide good value for the cost, the one thing it offered was it's looks which I personally think are superb, but it's the same reason I melted my odyssey, having that much money in a ship just cause it looks cool but I'll never use is just a waste, at least for me.

@@Xeonzs We'll see but I suspect running the QD will mean diverting power from the engines guns, etc. CIG seem to be going heavily down the resource management route so that is an obvious way to balance those ships. CR wants a counter to everything.

Well for one it will have a worse radar than the ES. Shorter fuel range than ES. ES has escape pods. Corsair can carry bigger/ better vehicles and more cargo. Don't take corsair if you're hoping to actually discover something.

If you're hoping to make actual discoveries in star citizen, in deep space, the key word you want in a ship is 'expedition'. Forget exploration or touring. Expedition.

Thanks for the idea! Will look into it 👍🏼

If the URSA fits, you have a point. I suspect the biggest ground vehicle that will fit a Zeus is a cyclone. The other side of that POV is we still don’t know what changes CIG is bringing with DOS, so we’ll have to wait and see. Also, a full crewed 400i could be just as effective having a medic on staff.

That's something I love about the idea of different ship brands and styles, everyone has different preferences so having an option that best fits what you're looking for is cool.

Very fair point. If I was with a crew we would have to sacrifice the cargo bay with a STV or cyclone. Or another scenario could be that the X1 simply serves as a scout and reports to the crew.

You can have 2 STVs in the back

In theory, couldn't you manually move additional X1s off of the cargo lift, but into the area immediately off of the cargo lift? I seem to recall that there are 4 "pillars" inside of the ship next to the lift, with some component access or such along the walls. The X1 may be thin enough to "just" fit in there and therefore not take up extra space from the cargo? Hm. I don't own the ship, so I can't easily check and this is based on memory from exploring the ship awhile back.

You can put more bikes in the hold if you want. It's no less usable than the Zeus in that regard, except you already have more cargo area *and* gain the additional nose compartment as well.

@@redslate I didn't mean to infer that the 400i is LESS usable in that regard. Just that that singular feature does not quite work for me. Should have been quite obvious since the Zeus doesn't even have a dedicated bike garage to start with though.

I actually just got a reclaimer recently for the first time lol. Looking to see if it’s a permanent addition to the fleet. It sucks that you can’t currently dock with it at stations. Makes it a pain to retrieve it. I tried bed logging but it seems bugged.

@@sorecgaming just be patience. If you are a backer of CIG, we all possess great patience at this point.

They are doing away with the minus 1 system, so it will actually be a size 3 turret with size 3 guns

Did you comment twice on the same video…. Go outside bro

Your precious med bay won't be a magical respawn device forever ;)

😆 I’m talking about Star Citizen, a game many are enthusiastic about lol… The exploration game loop I believe you’re referring to, will be a combination of several mechanics already in development. You most likely won’t see “exploration” on the road map. Also, the Zeus will be released in a few months. I’ve woken up lol

L take

@@jde-jj1lu I own all the ships. Prove me wrong.

@@akalaification Prove you wrong? It’s like me saying the cutty is better than the prospector lol

I own both and the only thing the MSR is better at is that it can fit almost any small vehicle in it while the 400i is limited to the Drake Mule which is kind of Ironic (Its enclosed and can carry cargo) and the X1. Outside of that the 400i is better than the MSR in every way. It's super-fast and pretty agile for its size and it can hang with most fighters when it comes to speed, but not maneuverability of course. Better defenses and much easier to get into. Has allot of redundant systems in it which will be important in places like pyro. Having 3 power plants and 3 coolers will make a big difference when one goes out or gets knocked out by pirates or from natural phenomenon's like what goes on in pyro. Don't forget its two turrets in the back can be turned into point defense systems once we are able to put computers in them. It's my daily driver and I use it for most missions unless I need something smaller or something that packs more of a punch. Tried to like the MSR but couldn't. It's the poor man's ship compared to the 400i, and almost useless for now unless you really need to carry a few small ground vehicles which the 400i can carry two anyways. You just have to be more choosy.

If you're playing with 4 to 5 friends, the Carrack is better hands down. Solo though I prefer the 400i. I've tried every other medium ship and I always go back to the 400i. Looking forward to the 600i rework since I own the exploration variant. I don't know if it will be as good as the Carrack but it's supposed to be Origins version of the Carrack.

Bravo?