Yeah I agree this is to make sure new problem don't leave because some old boss was too hard

Plus, new players have other much harder gamemods to worry about.

But it’s still gonna take 1 month or two to finish up everything grinding the latest stuff

As someone who played since Seeles first Banner and who started playing such gacha games with honkai star rail i somehow managed to play through it without any issue despite not knowing what the hell i was doing.. i don't really think the game needed the level lowering? Or was i just extremely luck to only struggle with kafka? Edit: i wanted to add that my characters had at level 80 about 1400 ATK and basically no CRIT..

@@snow7956 its more so you wanna expediate old content for beginning players so they can reach the new shiny stuff on the recent advertisements.

Enemies get a bonus damage reduction for each level above your characters. Less damage reduction plus lower defense stat and a lower hp stat 5 times over is massive differnce.

Have you ever played an rpg game before

Basically it scales up exponentially. A Level 1000 Mob that doesnt do any damage would straight up be unkillable.

​@@Oliverph0enix what do you mean if he played rpgs before? You're saying that like it's supposed to be a staple in the genre, yet not every rpg has drastic scaling, in a lot of rpgs having only measly 3 levels of difference would result in very minor stat changes and have no effect, especially in the lower part of the level range. Have YOU played rpg games before?

Every MoC stage enemy has level difference of 2.5 and you can see just how stronger they get with each stage.

And that's why the way the game is designed, to try to like constantly remind you to raise it, is objectively bad. But it is that way by design, to try to encourage F2Pers to adopt P2W. IIRC I didn't even beat the first world level in Genshin or the second. It was some lightning cube boss or whatever ?

@@angeldiaz762 skill issues

Agreed. I got into this game more interested in the story than the gameplay. While I have grown to enjoy the gameplay/grind, I joined after the end of the Xianzhou main arc and thus the grind was much more bearable knowing that, after that arc, I would have time to build up my characters. If the story fights weren't doable as a casual F2P then I and many others would probably have bailed. And even if they downgraded the difficulty, the people like me who rushed to the end of the story without properly kitted characters are still going to suffer when the next part releases...but by the time a player reaches the end of the Xianzhou they're probably already invested and it won't be as much of an obstacle. So making the early parts easier is not a bad thing to introduce new players, especially since the company isn't trying to attract peak gamers but as many people who will spend money as possible.

@@hibitterness5990 Yea don't waste your Stellar Jades on the green/permanent banner, use them with the new banners when you can. I got Jingliu and Ruan Mei as a F2Per, but I really want Imbibitor Lunae and didn't get him. I am constantly paranoid that the team that I have is like three months or so away from being powercrept but idk

​@@angeldiaz762they also made genshin ascension easier

That deer got almost my entire squad wiped, so my Preservation Trailblazer and Natasha had to tickle him until he dropped dead 💀

Svarog was cake for me. I had no issues with him.

yea espically as since its a gatcha game, ya might have to sepnd a lot to get good characters to be able to defeat certian bosses which can be off putting to a lot of people

THOSE DAMN PEACH TREES

That's the point...

agreed. the story shouldnt be considered a part of the endgame or treatted as such. We just got a new endgame mode and they will definitely add more.

Not to mention if they kept the same scaling as before then new players would find themselves far behind the mainstream. Lowering the difficulty and allowing new players to catch up faster definitely allows for more new f2ps to be able to enjoy the game

I think so too. 2.0 is right behind the corner so helping newer players to catch up is a good idea since "New characters = New materials in New worlds".

Don't forget that the character mats will be made accesible before reaching that point in the game, they said that in an earlier stream. Not sure if it has already been added or not

"Hard" ☠️

​@@migo1559it's already added, got a friend playing catch-up and could do it

Genshin did nerf the Tartaglia fight. The original version was uber difficult (especially when you don't have good characters) and he was significantly toned down around when Kazuha came out.

You didn't have to farm to clear the story, till kafka bossfight you can go literally without relics, only some level up

@@abaddon2040 Yeah well I tried and didn't get very far...so..🤷‍♂️

​@@abaddon2040 And if you do use Relics, Level Ups and Traces as intended it completely breaks the game pre-Kafka because, provided you have the resources, it makes the game too easy (and not having them makes it way too tedious), which is bad game design.

@@boyishdude1234 not really, doing that is like leveling your party in the early area until lv 100 in a classic turn based rpg, you can do it but the story is made to be played without farming (till kafka intended at least)

@@abaddon2040 But I'm not really farming. I haven't even unlocked the ability to grind Relics yet. The majority of the resources I have, including Relics, were obtained from either chests or vendors, and any "farmed" materials to level them and other things up is incidental as a result of me doing my dailies every day. If I'm breaking the game by simply playing it the way it's intended to be played, there's something wrong. You shouldn't have to ride such a thin line between not being strong enough and being too strong during the main campaign of an RPG. That's a sign of bad balancing. Also, no, it's not comparable to reaching Level 100 in the tutorial in other RPGs. Clearly you've never tried doing something like that, because that takes FOREVER to accomplish, and if you do accomplish it you get far more substantial rewards for doing so compared to Star Rail's early game "grinding", unless of course it's a poorly designed game (couch cough Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2 cough cough). Besides, it's also bad design to make Level Ups, Traces and Relics largely optional and then all of a sudden make them required for Kafka. That's a broken skill chain on the flow channel that randomly forces the player to grind for no reason when those things weren't necessary up to that point. That isn't fair. Either make the player interact with Level Ups, Traces and Relics consistently throughout the whole game as part of the game challenge, or don't. You can't have it both ways, and the latter is intrinsically bad design for an RPG of any kind anyway, including Action RPGs, because it means that the RPG elements are pointless filler that detract from the core experience instead of adding something of value to it (n other words, it adds pointless busywork that the game could do better without).

Yeah, I wish they did what genshin does with World Levels. If you find everything too difficult rn, you can drop it down a level.

yea.

It makes playing Events annoying. I thought like Genshin I can lower the level. Using the support character I wanted to farm while lowering the level of my world. But then I realized there is no such thing. And I am stuck at 67 with Characters that nowhere near strong enough. And I do not have time to put in the game apart from playing the mission and events once a week.

​​​@@Phantom_Zoneyou can farm lvl up materials and relics tho, it takes no more than 15 minutes every day

@@Lusc1nt buddy I sunk 2k resin and didn't got a single speed boot. And before you say 'Well you have self modeling resin'. I already used the ones I have. The new ones need either BP which I don't have time for and Events, which I can't complete. It's an extremely slow process for me. I can probably fix this in like 1 month of playing religiously. But no. I don't have the time.

so true, i couldn't progress the topaz quest mission because i kept dying had to farm 2 weeks just to play the damn story. i dont farm on star rail at all. i only play for TB story

How can you not manage to do this if you got a healer...

you cant even grind hours for character opimization because of TB power. the people who are too stupid to beat the bosses just push any buttons and have no gameknowledge. if you build the chars properly, traces, char and weapon level, some decent relics, most of the game is cakewalk.

Belobog stuff was indeed challenging, I never ignored those high rish high reward chests. I used to lose for little mistakes until I did it underleveled. Xianzhou onward with Luocha, it was mostly a breeze.

​@@siliconhawk9293As a super casual player who plays both Genshin and Star Rail, I'm telling you right now, if you only care about the story and don't really wanna farm anything, don't get to a high TL. Otherwise the game will make you quit.

I suppose I should also mention I’m one of those not a day one players. Roomie didn’t register she had room on the computer till early 1.3(when she was swayed by IL coming out to let me see if we could find anything to delete/move to external hard drive) and I didn’t get a phone I could play it on until 1.5. Feels like the fact my experience is as a late addition player is probably relevant to my experience.

Exactly. A fight that was challenging doesn’t suddenly become a breeze because of these changes lol.

​@@Glast04a 25% dmg reduction is a massive change. just so you know even the strongest blessing of destruction 3s when enhanced only give you 15% dmg reduction. this is 25% to all enemy for basically free

@@Void_Everfrost wrong, there is a destruction blessing that, when enhanced, gives a 36% damage reduce at fighting spirit cap. This, along with the 3* blessing, gives a 51% damage reduction, which can easily remove like all damage if you have like fire trailblazer. Even Claras ult with that brings you to like ~81% damage reduction, insanely op

@@aperson3787 we are talking the video and the video is about how main storyline got a masisve nerf on all mobs. you can use blessing in trailblazer quest? BONUS: also total reduction is actually around 125% if you have the following conditions abundance 2s:at full hp reduce 36% dmg pair with shield to sustain full hp preservation 1s (enhanced): shielded character take 16% less (24% if enhanced) 2s destruction blessing: 0.8% per stack 45 stack max when enhanced around 36% when got hit countless time to even reach 45 lol 3s destruction(enhanced): share dmg equally among character (take 15% less if enhanced) 2s propagation: reduce dmg taken by 8% per 1 skill point consumption, last 1 turn so a little bad though fu xuan matrix of prescience: reduce 12% dmg taken for allies total: 36+24+36+15+8+12= 131% dmg reduction. however the condition for full hp 36% might die out before you reach 36% of 45 fighting spirit stack so in reality just keep dreaming of immortality it won't happen i tried especially in conundrum 6+

@@Void_Everfrost you brought up blessings before me, I just thought I needed to remind you that that wasnt the strongest destruction blessing, i am yet to even try Cocolia after the patch, I have only done the new boss and it still slaps. without the 25% damage reduction I would get killed everytime lol

i love doing content that's definitely at a higher level than i am, but i'd much rather it be kept to SU and echoes of war (swarm boss 6 is impossible without DHIL/Jingliu) than in the main story

@@h2o848 small hint. remembrance path with march and dissosiation cards(dont know correct english name) it becomes easy and you freeze the enemies till next christmas

@@h2o848 I literally just did the new swarm with Yanqing and March solo sustain, what are you actually talking about it being impossible without Dan and JL?

​​​@@StellaTheBoymoderit make sense bro not all peep tackle game mechanic inside out. Like freezing enemy after they take action in a turn to make their extra action wasted. Not many people know this. Even prioritise stat like def or hp for , debuffer (nihility) , (harmony) support char. They practically contribute less than 20% dps even if u build as dps. Compared to the dedicated dps unit.. wut i want to say survivability is the priority, if the goal is to clear mission, weekly grindy content. I can see Swarm 6 is still hard for some casual people. Especially those that just got into equilibrium 6. Still farming relic etc.

@@SyrFlora If someone reaches the level to do swarm 6 and still don't know basic game mechanics they have no other to blame other than themselves. It's not like HSR is a skill heavy game either, everything you need to know is taught by the game while playing and the really advanced stuff is only needed for some extreme challenges like 4* only MoC 12 or SU.

some people just dont want to spend time to think about optimization and just play the story on auto-mode

The issue with the bosses isn't that they're hard, it's that they aren't hard at all. They're tedious and mostly just waste your time with pseudo-challenges that barely require any thought or skill to deal with. If they aren't going to design the bosses to provide players with meaningful and engaging challenges like in a proper JRPG, it's better to just make them easier so that way they're not as time-consuming.

​@@erdeni2349well they are pretty dumb then

I first had to actually figure out investment for the kafka fight, but phantylia was pretty hard so I'm sure they nerfed her story version

It's not dumb to be a story player. That's why many games have difficulty sliders and "easy/Very Easy" difficulties exist. Some people get home from work or school etc and wanna chill and relax with a nice game story. Not spend 3 hours farming relics and stuff for a character or two only to still lose boss fight.​@@gyanaranjansenapati1548

I stopped playing after Ruan Mei's story. Deadass took me 15 minutes as I slowly chip away that fuckers health.

Thats an interesting idea. From the story it would even make sense that if maybe lets say you fail your first attempt, you can then select Dr. Ratio, whos around watching you anyways, to join your party setup as Trial

Why are you farming calyxes that much anyway 9 and 10 are almost always a waste of materials.

@@anristellariza9036 Just to get 6 purple talent thingys it takes like 120 resin. Drop rates are extremely low and way too expensive when farming calyx’s even just to get to lvl 8 let alone 9 and ten. Plus I can’t even unlock ascension passives for my Ruan mei cuz I can’t unlock the echo of war locked behind this quest

THIS. I saw a comment here like "But this takes away the satisfaction of beating a boss after having to try like 5 times" and bruh, that's neither fun nor satisfying, that's frustrating and annoying af. If every major fight was like that, I'd quit the game. 😂 I don't get these masochistics.

It has a lot to do with what characters you've gotten as well. I had incredibly difficult time completing Belabog's mission where you fight Topaz and her goons. I just didn't have any team at rank 67 who could deal with the instant death strike attacks. The whole team would just die no matter how well built they were with lv.15 relics.

​​@@Silent_Depthsbuilt Trailblazer and any healer will (slowly) get the job done in that difficult fight you're talking about 😅

@@Lusc1nt Probably so, but my Trailblazer was level 20 at the time. Also the only healer I had built was Natasha so the only way I finally managed the fight was by building Bailu (took a week) and giving her the tankiest gear possible so she could revive one random member of the party before dying herself. :D

moc and pure fiction

@@ColheitaDosGmaes those 2 as well I completely forgot the exist. I don’t play me moc

If your characters have bad relics...I'm sorry but none of them are end-game ready. Personally I only have 3 Characters at Max Trace, and my average cone level is 60. Yet I have never struggled with anything story-related (Even brought along a level 60 Ruan Mei to Starcrusher purely because I just got her). I'd say you're focusing on the wrong thing. Traces at average should be left at around 6-8 (And that's for all characters you plan to bring to stuff like Con12 GnG, Diff V Swarm, Pure Fiction and MoC8+), since after that starts to give diminishing rewards. Max Traces should only really be reserved for the characters you REALLY REALLY like. They're too expensive, even if we ignore levelling Basic Attacks. Levels are worth it, though, so no issues there. Aside from that, Relics. That's really all you need. With half-decent relics built, even level 60 characters can be useful in MoC10+ (My Pela doesn't even have A6 Trace unlocked, but has seen multiple MoC10 clears). You don't even need that many well built sets. Just focus on 2 DPS characters. Having properly built characters is the easiest way to relax and vibe through content, and would frankly unlock some of the game's most fun modes for when you do have time for a longer session of vibing.

@@anristellariza9036 2 dps characters sounds about right. And those 10 characters already are ones that I like. A nihilty character of every type cause I enjoy watching DoTs deal dmg in combat, and then I have both kafka and jingliu for which I actually went on trace material pause for a bit to get relics for. They have the ones they should wear, but 0 of these relics are really satisfying. I see moosashis trailblazer only challenge and hear him he frustrated over relic drops, and I totally get it. In genshin it took me like 2-3 days and not more than 10 fragile resin to get a navia that can go to 250k damage and has all that she need, while in Star Rail, which I've 100% explored and interacted with ever since it's launch still has to drop it's first good relic for me. I understand... It won't happen any time sooner when I focus more on traces than relics, but I'm probably just gonna slowly finish all characters I own with lv 80, lc 80, max traces, before I get depressed over relic rng. And I guess I will just keep it at trailblaze level 65, although I still would love to know if the final equilibrium is also easier now. As you are talking about vibing with the game, i guess I can already do that now too. I'm not combat focused and stuff like MoC stage 7-8 is enough for me, swarm disaster and the new mode I've both not touched a lot yet. I claimed half of both of their rewards, but that doesn't require going into the harder content.

One thing I forgot to mention, I love the trace system compared to genshin talents, and maxing traces is like a matter of a week per character, which can't be said for genshin characters, and the crowns being such a limited resource is just sad too. Maxing traces of characters feels like it at least shows some level of survivability with them, and it's permanent on them.

Nope Argenti is still difficult to get through As a f2p I can't finish the recent trailblaze mission because my setup is too weak and the boss is annoying i can't even make it to dr ratio( I have only lvl60 fire tb, lvl60 e1 bailu, lvl60 e0 topaz, lvl60 e0 sw, lvl60 e0 welt and mediocre 4 stars the highest being at e3 and weak light cones)

@@jadbayram496 Oh no 😿 I'm scared I won't ever be able to defeat him lol But we can do this! ...sometime in the future probably.

4%/day means you miss 1 day of grinding every 25 days. Doesn't seem too big of a deal.

@@friarpavel2155 We lose around 21k exp weekly, the patch last 6 weeks which means we lose around 126k exp (so around a day and 2/4) by the end of 1.6. We don't don't know if 2.0 will have enough areas to balance out the lost or if we have to wait till they release all the areas for Penacony. If it's the former, then sure it's not a big lost, but if it is the later we will be losing a considerable amount of free exp for months.

Holy shit, get a job.

Put all that effort in your life, bruh, nobody doing overworld mobs, its one of the worst time/value things u can do in all of videogames.

What would you expect from a content creator that does nothing but min-max and be active 10/7 in the same game? they're not smtg that should be placed beside the general players. This benefits the newbies which is great, people saying things like it's a bad change are tryhards ofc they're good.

But that's because the other nations are in the same land while Inazuma is far away (and locked behind a perpetual thunderstorm due to story). Plus, if you're at 25 AR, at some point you'll need to ascend to finish Liyue's story and that'll allow you to go to Inazuma.

It has been months ples expand it to ar 80 xd