yearly star rating video

So true. I have a 19 year old player that my staff say that he had fulfilled his pa while in reality he kept on improving so I checked with the editor and he had 38(!) more pa to fulfill

3:10 From memory, FM deliberately screws up the potentional star ratings of under 18s in order to stop people buying up all the 16 year old wonderkids early enough that they can qualify as "Home Grown at club". Not sure of the numbers but at 16 years old the star rating could be out by (say) 2 stars but as they get closer to being 18 years old, this "up to 2-stars out" variable shrinks so that the coach / scout starts to give judgement based upon their scouting ability. I think also narritvely there is also the Freddy Adu effect where everyone thought he was a potential ability of 190 as a 15 year old but he only actually turned into a 140 PA player in real life. Real scouts in real life can still seriously misjudge the potential of players when really, really young.

For like the last 10 years I always did it like this: I never cared too much about the potantial that was shown, I cared more about the comment the scout/hoyd/whoever gave. Like "he can develop significant in the future" etc. . That in combination with personality, determination and work rate and I very rarely get blindsighted. Like I just found a left back from cap verde that was only shown as 2 1/2-3 star potential but the stuff i care more about all looked nice so I signed him for 2 million. Signed him at 17 and he started developing like mad so I caved in and checked him in the editor and boom - 192 PA.

Looks like PA judged is CA plus age plus personality. Which is very realistic and logical.

Spotted a possible mistake in the video: When you change player/staff attributes, you also have to adjust his CA rating to match the RCA rating in the editor. Then you have to wait till the games ticks over(this can be few ingame days, it can also be a few ingame weeks) for teh changes to take effect. If you don't match the CA with the RCA, then the game will adjust the attributes of the players/staff to match the RCA in the editor.

So, what could be added: the younger the players the more the PA is distorted in the stars, as less is known about them and there are more outliers. As they get older, 18-19-20, the PA starts to adjust, in my experience and from 22 it is more reliable. And other things, like form, position (goalkeepers tend to be lower rated in general, for example), personality, etc. influence the star ratings as well. So these will always be subjective.

Regarding the CA differentials between Coman and Neuer and such, is there a chance that positional strength is factored in, i.e Coman is a three star player for Bayern when compared with the forward/wing alternatives whereas Neuer is being compared with the goalkeeping alternatives who are, in Bayern's case, significantly weaker than the players Coman would be compared with?

Have a 15yr goalie who is “2*PA” but checked genie scout has a PA of 160 because I was curious why my youth day intake said a very very good keeper. Interesting to see hear this though

Reputation has a big input on the star ratings. If you revisit this in the future, alter the reputations and watch the stars change. The player who was down the list will likely not played much youth football. So he can't gain a reputation. A player CA88/PA132 would be starting youth football ahead of CA60/PA150. plus the gap between the CA and PA factors in. in the first player there's a difference of 44 ability and the 2nd player has a gap of 90. One player is going to be more likely to get to their full potential and that's also why your staff will rate them higher. Playing the odds.

When looking for young players now I'm more interested in their 'team fit' on the reports, as well as the hidden stuff like big matches, professionalism, etc. And there are red flags for certain positions (never sign a full back who is 'poor in the air' for instance).

Hi Zealand. Great video! I would love to visualize these results to see how strong the relationships are with CA and PA by star level, and even see the correlation between judging potential and PA. Great wisdom re: using attributes. All the best! Stefan.

Great vids bro, really enjoy your content. Although, I was under the impression that the current ability of your best players effect the potential ability rating of youth. For example, on my save Shay Lacey was 18 with a 2 1/2* rating (clearly not true), but I had 3 4* ratings in the first team in the same position. In effect having Kane in your first team alters his chances of reaching that potential, hence the lower star, if Jonah moves clubs with a main striker with a lower rating, the staff would rate accordingly despite their ability to judge potential.

Once I had a brazilian midfielder called Cícero Herbete on my journeyman save in FM22 (I was at PSG at that moment) who came from the youth system but I never thought he could make it to the first team because his potential ability oscillated between 3 and 3,5 stars and you know PSG can buy literally any player in the world. But after 4 loan spells he just became a beast. Always was a regular starter during the loan spells, was a consistent performer, high determination and had a model citizen personality. When he came back after his last spell my assistant manager indicated he had a 4 star current ability. I sold my starter midfielder and just made that kid my new starter. Since then I never fully trusted the star ratings, but always looked for others indicators like determination, solid attributes even when the player is still at a very young age, how he performs during the loan spells and of course how he develops.

Is it linked to position since star ratings reflect your squad? E.g Harry Kane is a 4.5* striker in the team with a potential of 180+. Kusi Asare will never get to that level so they can't say he will ever be a 5* striker. Ibrahimovic, meanwhile, may be 4.5* compared to the best winger which is Sane, who has a much closer PA to Kusi Asare than Kane does and is currently a 4* player. A decent experiment to test this correlation would be to change Neuer (and the other GKs) PA/CA to 100. And then change a youth GK's PA to 120 (who probably has 2* or something currently.) 120 should not be a 5* player generally but perhaps it may be a 5* player when compared to the GK options currently in the squad.

I enjoy the variance and mystery within the game - I don’t want to see exact values. You can optimise the fun out of it and the amount of times I see people in the community worrying about EXACT PA values just makes me long for the day where that player that’s being griped over would have been allowed to create his own story within that game world. However, the user doesn’t allow that these days because they’re always trying to optimise the shit out of everything for the sake of the highest integer.

I agree with you in that I also like that it's a bit random. I like the fact that I might give a youngster a chance that isn't rated highly but has a chance to become great and then does. I've seen it happen multiple times where a player out ranks their predicted potential (in terms of star rating) and it's always an awesome surprise. Feels like I got a diamond in the rough. And yeah, you touched on the important part at the end and it's a big part of the reason why I don't use the editor to look up CA/PA: sign players with the attributes you want. When I'm building a team I usually have an idea of what sort of team I want: strong, tall, intelligent players combined with a couple incredibly technical forwards/wingers. I then scout looking for these types of players. I remember signing Lorenzo Lucca on FM22 for Milan even though he had 2.5 stars. Man scored like 20 goals every season for me because he fit directly in the play style I liked to use according to his attributes.

from personal experience of messing around with the editor and also just taking punts on cheap players, this *especially* applies to scout reports of players playing for particularly small or poor clubs. if you see a 16 year old with promising attributes at an amateur club, take a punt regardless of your scout report. it's brought me genuine world class players.

What I learnt: my beloved wonderkid from my FM24 save, Jonah Kusi-Asare has actually now signed for Bayern in real life, while I got him for 2 million euros before from AIK ... 😃

Played it since I was 13 (champMan) to now 34 and starts still run my life. I can't help but go off them

Videos like this make it so much easier to understand the game. I don't like using editors to find ratings, I prefer vanilla, so this was a massive help. Thanks Zealand 👍👌

Great video! One thing I think gets missed on potential stars is that I think they also pertain to the best player(s) you have on your team in the position, just like current stars do.

I remember in ye olde FMs couple of years ago attributes had a big impact on CA/PA. The rule of thumb was: if the key attributes are above or below 10. If below - no matter how high PA the player has, he won't be a star player in his role. So I always check player's attributes in my scouts' reports on A+ prospects to see for myself how many of their positional key attributes are above/below 10

I have a HSV save where "Glatzel" is like half a professional potential, and he had already reached that, when i played him he played like a worldclass player! 17 goals, 12 assists in one season (as a attacking midfield btw) and now i have the HSV team promoted to bundesliga 1, where he is still cooking!

I've always ignored the stars for the most part. I learned this back in FM14. To pick my players, I simply highlighted the attributes for the role I was planning to play them in, add them together, and whoever was the highest was my guy. My all time best striker was a 3-star player and had a higher number in 8 of the 10 attributes for advanced forward than the 4-star guy.

Yes, completely agree the star ratings do have other factors than just raw ability. I have a young Spanish player (Alex Mena) who came through my youth intake with PA as 3*. He made his debut for Spain at the age of 19 and I was wondering what on earth I'd missed. Taking into account his attributes, though - he's awesome. Does make me wonder how many I've let slip through the net now...

I'm pretty sure the reputation of the player and versatility also affects how good the stars are.

Could it be that Jonah Kusi-Asare is being judged against the ability of the best player in the team in that position (Harry Kane) and that's why his star rating would be lower regardless of actual potential as well?

Is it not based on other factors if they'll hit the top potential? Things like professionalism and determination too. Ibrahimovic might have much higher hidden stats than the other lads.

I first started playing championship manager 3. So, as a super hardcore long term player, I have to say I didn't know that and you were right: it blew my mind. kuddos for your curiosity, zeeland. cheers!

Yup. I ran a test on my game. A player in my U18's I hadn't really ever noticed. Not great stats, only 3 star. Checked the editor and he was 170 PA, with a good personality.

The star rating PA is still the best way to establish how good a player could get. I think the variables on the ratings are still not significant enough. I would say it's too precise. Don't ignore the stars, just make sure you use the best staff and scout many times and obviously look at the player attributes too...

It was my understanding(and this video pretty much confirms it) that the potential ability star rating doesn't equate to PA, but in fact to CA the player is calculated to reach under the current circumstances. That's why the game has always rated players who have a big difference between CA and PA quite poorly. Doesn't matter if a player has 200PA if all they're ever gonna reach is 140.

Is there a way to see historical scouting you have done on a player? Like last season this is where we had this player? Other than loading the save from back then?

I had several players in my 'excellent' youth intake with PAs over 130. Hiding amongst them, rated as the star of my intake with 5 stars of potential, was a player with 55 PA that he had already almost filled out.

The posicion and role of the player is important too, thats why a 150 PA goalkeeper is 4 or 5 stars and a 150 PA striker is 3 or 4

I'm managing a team constantly in the CL and winning league titles yet whenever I see a 3 star potential dude, I discard without even looking at them. I really need to start looking at every player I scout but it just takes too long. What I do now is I do 3 recruitment focuses, team reports on the players who appear, scout all 5 star dudes for 1 week UNTIL extensive and then get my best scout to do a final 1 week scout. After that if they are 4 star or higher and have more pros than cons, I try to sign. Might start looking at the 3.5 star dudes now though as well.

@5:30 it's cool yes, only issue is in real life you would get much more data, physical with your own eyes data to base opinions on. In FM you obviously don't see any of this, you get a taining score, you don't obviously see how they train, you get a personality type, you don't actually see how they are. In FM you go of raw numbers which makes the random aspect a little less rewarding. That said it's good that staff members can be wrong and human error is simulated. I didn't realise the range was quite as drastic as this demonstration though but it does explain why last night when searching for goalkeepers why I was getting so confused based upon various factors in the reports I was seeing

Everyone's been doing those videos about star ratings being unreliable for quite some time now. What I would really love to see instead is a proper video on how to analyse players according to their attributes (and I'm not talking wonderkids here, because most of us players don't have those constantly in our teams, especially while in the lower leagues)

Kind of new to the game and watching you and other creators has helped alot I started a authentic save with Chelsea no cash and injury FC lol and managed to get somewhere and win a Europa league so far thanks for the great content

I still use it when looking for my wonderkid regen signings. But in my save im currently at Monaco where Oh Hyeon-Gu and Madueke are both at 4 star and 4.5 star CA when it said 3 star PA for both when i signed them. I feel like form seems to affect CA star rating massively sometimes

Star rating also depends on how useful the players stats are for that position. Eg a CB with 14 shooting may have a higher CA but less stars than another player with better defending stats but lower overall CA

I am one of the people that sometimes uses the FM Scout. And last years game, I had on my shortlist a guy with 195 PA, but during his entire career, his CA never was over 180. It was the first time that I saw that in a game. Apart of trainings, would be nice to know what makes some players full fill their potentials, and others (Like the guy I mentioned), not.

"third eye opening".-...ehm, did NOT expect that in a FM video, but aite xD Fantastic video though. Edit: I first I thought it might have something to do with what kinda position they play at, and maybe what kinda football club they are in general. As I'd imagine Porto would value a defensive player higher than an attacking player, whilst lets say old Lona would rate a guy that could pass for days higher than a counter-attack player. But alas, I guess.

I have a 23 years old player that came from my youth academy, he was 4* PA and by 20 the coaches said that he was already at his peak (unlikely to improve), but he kept improving, just out of curiosity I checked his PA with the editor and the kid was at 144 CA with 173 PA

Scout ratings and team report dont depend only on CA/PA, they also depend on key atributes and total sum of atributes For example, you might have a 155 defender with excellent technique but mediocre defending stats and compared to a 140 player with poor texhnoque but good defence report will likely show 140 is better for that position. Thats why looking at position-relevant atributes is also important, where DC , AF and W are the most specific positions in this regard

The minute I stopped deciding the starters on star rating and learned how to analyze a players stats and determine who is better, I actually started winning consistently, it’s crazy how bad star rating can be once you get in to the weeds of a save.

Since we do not know the game's PA star calculation algorithm, we cannot clearly say that it affects by CA. because in the game there are personal characteristics, CA distributions according to position, etc. There are many factors, so we cannot say that PA stars and scores can always be the same.

How do you see that potential ability score on your own game? A mod? Thanks:)

What I got from comments: - Their stars might be lower than their PA because the coach thinks they won't reach their full potential. Even if their PA is 180, if they are still CA 80 then they have way too much to improve, probably even under the best circumstances they won't be able to reach it. - Stars depend on reputation. If the player hasn't accomplished much during their academy years and their reputation is very low, the coach will be inclined to think they aren't very good and will under value them. The same happens with over-accomplishers being overvalued. - Position could also influence the stars. If there are many good strikers in your team and league, the youth strikers may have less stars (correct me if I'm wrong). - Form also influences the stars. When a player is in very good form he will be valued higher both in CA and PA, so it's possible that hidden gems have low stars because they aren't playing well or playing at all. I guess we will just have to give everyone a chance to impress then!

Isn’t star rating also dependent on the position you play players? Star ratings do change when you change a players position or role

Interesting experiment, kinda makes sense when thinking about your video where you explains how many attributes a player might develop over their career. If a 16 year old has the potential of Messi but is currently a 75 current ability, then there is a good chance he will never develop enough to fulfill all that potential.

I love this kind of content. Please go back and revise some of your old videos like from 2021 and earlier because the ME has changed so much and while the videos are still valuable, they're a bit outdated. I'm sure you have fun making videos about Messis from Fiji or whatever, but please can we have a little more FM content. Love the streams VOD channel by the way

I have persist with 3 star 2 cb in my 10 year campaign with awsome stats. First one consistently pockets haland as he is one of the few cbs with a combination of high pace and str. This guy went on to become my captain and his stars eventually rise to 4

I noticed this too a couple of years ago while playing FM15. I was managing my boyhood club in Belgium and I had made them the most dominant team in the league over the last 10-15 years. In the cup I had to play against one of my local rivals who played in 3th division. Because they were my local rivals, I wanted to know what their team looked like and if they were able to climb back to 2nd and maybe even 1st division with their squad. I noticed a Dutch striker who was 16 years old that was their main man in attack. I looked at his stats and they looked quite impressive for a young guy. Scouted him and the report said: potential ability 1.5 stars... So I took my eyes of him until we had to play our cup game. And despite them losing 4-0 to my reserves, there was 1 guy catching my eye yet again. I decided to give it a go an bought him for €75k. He joined me in january and was my 4th striker. The last day of the transfer market, Liverpool triggered the transfer clause of my main striker and paid €25m for the guy. I played in a system with 2 attackers and in the next game after the transfer window, my then 2nd striker picked up a season ending injury. So my 16 year old had to play, no matter what... He made a good first impression with an assist in his first game where he was subbed in. Next game he had to start and scored 2 goals right away. He ended the season with about 10 goals and 5 assists in half a season. Next season I gave him his time to shine and he scored 20+ goals. From then on it only got better and from his 4th season onwards he always had more goals than he played games. Won the European Golden Boot 4 times in a row, got called up for the Dutch national team at the age of 19, became their highest ever scorer. Won the World Cup topscorer title 3 WC's in a row. And won the Ballon d'Or 4 times. I kept him his entire career (until I lost my save file when he was 32 years old). I still miss this guy... RIP Hans de Graaf😢

It would be interesting if you compared the players "hidden attributes" (Professionalism, Pressure, Injury-Prone etc). As maybe that has a certain effect to the star ratings too? You can get players with 200 PA - but if their hidden stats are awful, they never reach their potential, and even if they do, they still do not play to the level of their ability.

I always calculate the average rating for a role the player is playing by adding up all the highlighted attributes and dividing by the number of the said attributes. Wish I had an app for this stuff in game :)

This does make the game better Z, proves that CA and PA effect the overall star ratings but it can depend on so much *********************************** I conclude that real game time and/loan time earlier in a career would boost this up vs just sitting in the u-19s lots of spinning plates… throw in injuries and the players personality and it’s a tricky game man. Love the channel Big Dog. Love from Liverpool, England ❤

For me most important thing when i am scouting players is that they are not injury probe, and if they are not consistant i look for those who enjoy big matches

You should do a video on how much certain attributes impact current ability, because some player can have high CA but still be worse then someone who has lower CA but a better spread of attributes.

this is so true, there was a striker i signed from mexico who was 2 stars but got 50 goals the season before i signed him, and 20 in the prem in his first season.

What I like to do is let my scouts identify players and I watch them grow in the scout reports on my shortlist, if they comeback with another positive report after 6+ months then I check their pa with the editor. I like to think with extended exposure we’ve gotten a better idea of their ceiling. It’s my game and that’s how I enjoy it.

In my first save i had a winger in the 3liga. Two stars. This guy couldn't kick a ball to save his life but he was the fastest man in Germany and could run at that speed for days. I threw him on defensive winger and gave him a whole side of the pitch. That worked surprisingly well until the bundesliga.

It provokes more questions but I wonder if professionalism and ambition (the 2 hidden attributes which have a heavy influence on progression ) impact potential ability star rating? The obvious comeback is then the PA shouldn’t be a figure the attributes won’t allow you to reach.

good video i agree i manage 2 teams liverpool which is my team irl supported them since 5 now 58 , ben doak a great player irl and looks same in game except everytime someone touches him hes injured , i just bought a yng defender 17 from az alkmaar hes 2 star current 4 star potential he performs better than konate and def better than romero who is valued at 50m he only cost around 20 , then go to other save tonbridge angels i search for a dm with great vision bravery and agresssion i scout him hes a D but has higher stats than say lewis gard who has 4 stars and whats funny is darwin nunez is rated as worse than salah and jota as an af but yet he does better all the time in the top af role in a 4-3-3 dm than both salah and jota , its funny if i play jota as an af in pre season games and he scores they pick him in season but if nunez scores its him they prefer

theres a mod or a way to put abilities to 1-99? im used to fifa and i still struggle to understand the abilities, i mostly judge based on the colors lol, but im not familiar with how really good these are, i know on fifa for example 90 pace is very good for a winger and 80 is ok, and for a central midfielder 80 pace is very good

The intangibles are the real indicators of the possibility of reaching one's potential. Traits have an impact as well. Composure and professionalism have a big impact on their training speed. Someone who is more professional and ambitious will improve faster. You can check those in the coach report he will tell you the personality flaws of the player

I think the thing that isn’t communicated well in the game is that the PA stars include an estimate of how likely the player is to develop fully. A younger player with a higher CA is obviously more likely to hit their ceiling than a player with a larger gap between current and potential. The stars reflect this. I think the star system is actually a lot better and more useful than most creators give it credit for. CA/PA are not the be all and end all of a player’s production/usefulness, as you touched on.

Many, Many years ago in the days of CM 01/02 it was discovered that there were metrics called 'Intrinsic Values' built into the attributes system so that the highest rating was not actually the '20' that you could see on the screen but a hidden number between 0 - 123 ( in the coding system 124 was actually worse than 0 - don't ask) which led to the 'freak' unknown players that everybody remembers. So for example Cheltenham Town's Mike Duff 's Tackling rating was actually a 66 and he was one of the greatest Full Backs of all time while Greek Third Division maestro Anastasios Skalidis had a 115 for finishing and would score a thousand goals at the highest levels of football if you could prise him away from his beloved Chania.....the best scouts in the game would never find those players or rate them very highly and I think some vestige of that is still in the star ratings today.

Can you make a video, about how to read the current attributes. Like, I can’t immediately tell, at what level a player is.

That's EXCELLENT information, Zealand! Thanks! I wonder, if that means it's perhaps recommended to just hide the stars in my views... because they can be relied upon even less than I always thought/heard... Any thoughts?

is it also position rated though ? the player with potential compared to your 1st team players current ability who play in that position or role for example . if your central att is 180 and your left winger is 150 and your two youth players are both 165 potential should it not be the case the left winger has a higher star rating than the central attacker who even if he reaches full potential will only ever be 2nd choice in that scenario while the left winger would be first choice ? thats the way i have viewed this for a while , i obviously could be wrong but as zealand says this where your eye and looking at stats of the player comes in .

I think it's also about hidden attributes. I guess players with high professionalism, important matches, consistency and versatility might be more valuable. I don't think the stars are that wrong, maybe they are just factoring other stuff we have no idea about.

Please more of these kind of videos!!

This is why i have no issue using pa and ca instead of stars, im still on my fm23 save and i just had a youth rb come through with 4-5 star potential in a 'good' youth intake, his pa is 137, 21 points lower than my 3rd choice rb's ca, my regen assistant manager has 20 ca and 19pa judging

could the reputation of a player also affect the PA rating you see? Like, if they are a relative of a great player would it skew the star rating higher? Like for example, I'm managing USA in my save (I was actually offered the job after two successful MLS seasons) and I noticed that Timothy Weah's PA stars were higher than a player in a similar position at a similar skill level. While I'm not saying that he's not a good player, I'm curious if his PA is higher because he is better known?

Hey, I am playing FM on PS5 and I cant see so many attributes and editing options. How can I see the same options and values?

Do you have training shedules? Do you do individuel training?

I think that what your staff does is evaluate the player potential to evolve. Just one ex: Player 1 - CA 80 - PA 150 - Professionalism 8 - Ambition 9 - 3,5 Stars Player 2 - CA 80 - PA 140 - Professionalism 16 - Ambition 15 - 4 Stars And offcourse other skills might be involved too

As a relative newcomer to Football Manager, i'm now terrified and lost 🤣 my brain is swimming. Are the current ability and potential ability number scores something that should be switched on in general?

The personality of the player also plays a role in the potential ability. For example, if the player is a model citizen and a wonderkid, it is most likely to have a bigger potential ability and, therefore, to achive it due to his personality, and also thats why he might get more stars than a player that has more potential and a worst personality

I signed a player, a Newgen call Cesar Zarza, when I scouted him he had 3 1/2 star current and 5 star potential, when i signed him he was 2 1/2 stars with 3 star potential. I was not happy, until I looked at his actual Potential ability and its 189. I changed who gives me reports on players etc and suddenly he's 5 star potential again.

Great video. The only thing i am missing is that a 160 potential ability with a great stat distribution can be better then a 170 potential dude with shit stats. Use your eyes, not stars! Cheers

I think something which has a big impact on hitting that potential ability is Ambition and determination. Yes you cannot see the ambition stat but sometimes your scouts will allude to fact that a player is ambitious. So from my experience, the personality of the player matters. There are quite a few players in the world with amazing potential but just never hit it, they failed because of not being ambitious enough or determined. Then there are players who don't possess the amazing potential ability but more than make up for it in ambition and determination. Only my opinion.

The way it should work is that the star rating should be more and more accurate the more you played the players first team mathes. That way you would have to try players and not discarting them over a training session or youth matches. Like in real life football. I mean you dont really know if they can hit it off not playing important matches.

Is it possible to see current ability and potential ability of players in mobile?

Potential ability stars actually show how likely the player is to achieve his potential according to the person assessing him. For example: If you have a player with 50ca and 160pa, he might have like 2-3 stars for pa because he has a long way to go to reach his full potential and it's more likely that he won't reach it than that he will. But, if you have a player who's CA is 120 and he has a pa of 160, he's probably going to have 4-5 stars in pa because he's way closer to reaching his potential. So the pa stars aren't something you should look at if you want to know how good your player could become but only to know if he's more or less likely to reach his potential which without editor you don't have a way of knowing in the actual game.

I had a youth intake one time and one player was a 1.5 star and using the editor i could see he had a pa or 154 in san marino

For me this is a realistic feature of our beloved game. It is complicated to tell how good a player will be in the future. A lot of people believed that Dele Alli will be one of England's best players when he was 20 and now he has not played a game of football for more than a year after being loaned out to Besiktas. Haaland was a beast of a striker when he was still 19 and he showed how good he can be when he has still at Salzburg, a lot of big teams had their eyes on him but only Dortmund decided to snap him up. Real Madrid were also looking for a striker at that time but they signed Luka Jovic instead for three times the amount of money Dortmund payed for Haaland.

What about role star ratings are they tied to what was described in the video or are they seperate solely based on attributes and role suitbility. Ive seen ca star ratings being different to the highest role star ratings

As as decades long player of this game, I actually love the star ratings, but I think a bit of literacy of what they represent is very important in interpreting what they mean. I like star ratings as a guide for where the player sits within my team whether thats current or potential. I also have a feeling that the staff member giving you the report take other things into account, obvious one being form, but I think they look for the hidden stats too including personality - you can get a guage of this if you look at the coach report and see the pros and cons. For me the attributes have a similar importance as the star ratings because whilst on paper a player can look really good, you get them in the match engine and it just doesn't work. I like to think the best way to evaluate a player is look at the star rating/coach report, weigh up the attributes, but learn how the player is by playing them. Potential star ratings are constantly changing over the coarse of a long term save, and the only way to really learn how good a player is to develop them and play them, you will soon find out how far they can go. Thanks for vid Zealand! Great work as always.

Had the same issue. From what i can observe, most potential abilities don't get fulfilled. i.e. Someone with a 100 CA/150 PA ends up with 140 CA/150 PA meanwhile someone with a 100 CA and 145 CA ends up with 145 CA/145PA. Hence the reason for the star rating.(Which is varying as CA improves)

I like the star system better tbh. CA and especially PA is something that we aren't really supposed to see, but rather a core mechanic to keep the players at appropriate levels and within certain ranges. Just like in real life potential estimates are often wrong. Players who are young and show exceptional skill ("high CA") are presumed to have a high potential, even though most of them flop. Or players who are well known, sons of football legends etc. tend to be overvalued. Then you have players who bloom a bit later. Think Chelsea rejects for example, Salah and de Bruyne among them. The club didn't think they had world class potential at the time. Point is we think way too mechanistically about these indicators in FM, like 180-200 PA at Bayern should be 5 stars, 170-180 4,5 and so on... The game wouldn't be half as fun, too much certainty is not a good thing. As Z said, trust your eyes, trust the development, observe how they perform. It's a whole new world once you start playing the game that way.

How do you get to see the in game current and potential ability in numbers?

High PA is just a number. If the player are laking in determination, work rate and if he isn´t professional too, his star rating will suffer from that too. If someone has 130 PA and has all the qualities to reach his potential for sure his star rating will be rated higher or same as a guy with 150 PA with low stats to actually reach his potential.

I started playing FM for the first time this year and was way too focused on star ratings at the beginning. I ended up with a 1,77cm Colombian GK with 3 Aerial Reach who was ironically called Niño. He actually did alright in terms of average match ratings so I was able to make a huge profit on him, now Arsenal is always missing out on CL due to him being behind the sticks there lmao

I reminder I had a 17 year old goalkeeper at Milan that was really good at 17 but his attribute never went up. So watch out for those player also.some players devolpment meant be almost done, even if they have high potential

It's a good video. But it basically states the obvious. Of course, potential ability must always be interconnected with current ability. And of course they should only be seen as indicators. And that’s a great thing to exist in the game. For player evolution to feel organic and realistic they cannot be inseparable. In addition, it makes the game immensely better when it maintains uncertainty regarding a player. I always evaluate based on performance. For example, I have strikers with 2 stars of current ability and potential ability who score 30 goals per season and others with 5 stars who score 6 or 7. This has more to do with the relationship between the tactical disposition of the team, what is asked of each player individually and their characteristics. A reflection of this is also the fact that a player on my team is fabulous and when he is sold, it doesn't happen on his new team. I think the game is well done in its consideration of all these criteria and I don't think there's anything to change. What they need to address is how the game becomes when it tries to increase the difficulty. What I mean by this is that to put obstacles in our way, breaking victory cycles or preventing us from having many clean sheets, AI often makes ridiculous decisions to force defeat. There are 4 or 5 balls on the post per game, the permeable defenses with incredible errors with players bumping into each other, the additional time above what is supposed always biased, the goalkeepers with surreal movements, etc... Those are things where the game still sucks.

I think the pros and cons may have an effect. Like for example one of players is said to be unmotivated and doesn't push himself at 15 and that could effect it

Is there a way to see the potential ability number on ps5???