Kirk certainly trashed that Blue Dome on the Reliant!

I also kind of like that by the era of Discovery (S03+), there are a lot more "legacy" starships out there. It's kinda like that line in Futurama, when Leela takes Fry to a 30th century baseball (blernsball) game and explains to Fry that all the players have fractional numbers because over the last thousand years "all the whole numbers were retired."

Right? :D It's almost like they were able to watch Disney utterly destroy Star Wars every chance they got by doing what DISNEY wants to do without giving a SHIT about their fans. Kathleen Kennedy and her group of minions ruined everything about the new Star Wars Cannon and stopped releasing ANY content that's in the old cannon except for a God awful (Gameplay wise) MMO that's only awesome for the story which is great. Paramount saw we weren't happy with everything about discovery. They LISTENED to us and gave us the best parts of discovery by Giving us SNW and taking Disco so far into the future. Now we have a much better Disco and a phenomenal Captain Pike and Spock with a phenomenal return of the original enterprise and some others like Cadet Uhura and Dr. Mbenga and Nurse Chapel an dI liked some new characters its shame about Hemmer. Really liked him maybe we can see him in the future (future for us/past for him lol) but I'm getting off track. Disney heard everything the fans asked for and consistently gave us the opposite and then blamed reasons other than the incompetency of the one in charge, Kathleen Kennedy. Disney HEARD. Paramount LISTENED. Also Paramount also seems to have more of a grasp on what the fans exactly like as a starting point. just look at star trek picard for example. So much perfectly done fan service with Dukat and Martok's and whoever else's skeletons in Picards office, Admiral Sisko still being around in that timeline and so much more.

I can't speak for others but regarding Insurrection, describing it as "an episode of The Next Generation" isn't quite right. It's not trying to be "an" episode of TNG, it's trying to be EVERY episode of TNG. Too many things going on and as a result even with the extended run time, it doesn't fully mesh together. Much like Picard Season 2 really. A lot of interesting story ideas happening but they don't quite link into a single, coherent whole.

What about the Hathaway

I suggest you try to watch the series of The Orville if you hadn't already, I don't know you guys but for me The Orville should have been what Discovery and Picard....weren't

I agree, but I don't see that happening for a while, serialized content is way to popular for them to give it up yet. But everything cyclical, that format will come back around, prob with the advent of holographic television lol. Who knows.

I'd like a miniseries featuring one of Enterprise's Refit Sisters! Like maybe the Constitution? Taking place just after the V'ger incident!! Maybe a Federation Starship crewed 100% by Non-Terrans?? Maybe?? Whaddya think?

To quote Vision: neither is the true ship, both are the true ship

There's a thoughtful article on Ex Astris Scientia that muses whether the refit Enterprise from TMP is really the same as the original ship since very little of the original ship had to have been left, and whether it should be considered "Enterprise-class" rather than Constitution-refit. If the new Stargazer is also a refit, it's interesting that it is considered Sagan-class and not Constellation-refit, or even "Stargazer-class".

USS Trigger's Broom

Just stop...they screwed up the dialogue. It is not the same ship because you cannot tell me how we get from the Constellation Class to this....Are we just replacing saucer sections and drive sections and whatnot. This is not the Enterprise refit - which has a similar shape, and honestly, the history of those ships were, they spent so much time and energy on making them compact, the reason they got such an extensive rebuild was they were overbuilt in the first place. Modest shape changes are as retconned as the uniform insignias (remember, in TOS each ship had a different logo, the Delta was only for the Enterprise, but this was retconned into being the Starfleet logo)

@@swnews4u161 psst, hey 👋 It's not real 🤯

It really varies depending on the source. Some call it Impulse Crystal (Trekyards especially goes with that) - other sources call it Warp Field Governor. I'd like to hear what Doug Drexler calls it.

@@OrinThomas , schematics for years have labelled that object the impulse deflection crystal...the most important was Mr Scott's Guide To The Enterprise...so whose right? Someday someone will let us know, come on Doug.

Stop it or they'll just cancel the shows! 🤣😅😂

Exactly. They're just waffling at that point.

Yah, that explanation is pure nonsense. That have matter/energy replication technology. The structure of the ship bears zero resemblance to the original. Just take the L and admit that line was a mistake.

I feel it's more a tribute to Picard's legacy than of the vessel itself. She was a stepping stone in Picard's career. I'd imagine her original registry was retired long ago after she was seemingly lost.

Not all refits justify a letter after the name or keeping the registry number. There is a KZfaq channel that has a history of different names.

I think you’d be the only one hoping for that spinoff, Rios was a fun character, 7 is ok, and Rafi is a waste of screen time. But hey to each their own, eh?

You probably don't like the three warp nacelles federation class dreadnought either

@@davidthompson5766 Well, when I got my Starfleet Technical Manual back in 1975 when I was eleven years old, I thought it was amazing. But yeah, I do prefer the twin nacelle configuration.

STICK TO YOUR GUNS - its not a refit. Since it was recovered, they had two incursions of the Borg, the Dominion War, and the creation of the copy and paste fleet. There was the development of numerous ship classes. And there was a need for older training ships for the new classes. There is absolutely no reason to retrofit the Constellation Class Stargazer into this new ship class. The Constellation, if it survived any battle, would likely be a supply running ship in some way-out sector, or turned into a trainer for the Academy. Starfleet would have been better off pulling one of the Galaxy frames out of storage, and creating a new star drive for the saucer of the D (which I know, was destroyed in some book) than retrofit the Stargazer this much....

I'm okay without carpet, but then the floor should be mat. As you said where's the star fleet cleaning crew? Somebody is polishing those floors. All that aside the reflective floor has to be a pain in the ass for efx crew. For ex if there's a cgi character then it has show up on the floor as well.

As a disabled person, the hard, shiny floors just look like a fall hazard. Carpet may not be appropriate or practical (though I adore the D as a representation of a prosperous and settled Federation), there must be some sort of compromise. Maybe hard flooring with texture and less shine, maybe with some scuffing to show everyday use.

They kept the D bridge the same for season 3. Rightly so

@@originalmin I thought that they’d at least kept the additional stations from Generations.

A top ten of top ten lists? That could be a top 100.

Just because the new tech is so freaking cool!

I think it's the Enterprise N. That'll stop the story flowing nicely: "I'm sorry, did you say M or N"

And a sagan class to boot

I hope you're right! But based on the writing I don't think they act with as much forethought as you give them credit for.

Generators 🤫

That was the arboretum, not a governor

I wonder if we're talking about the same thing......