The red shirts of starships

We used to refer to this scene as the Defiant having "Ablative Miranda-class Shields"

Reliant...... Captain Terrel

Yet boldly they rode, and well.

The Miranda class was where Janeway learned about "punching your way through" in command school. 😏

I definitely will take this over the current Star Trek releases.

You should check out seasons 3 and 4 of babylon 5. They were out atyhesame time and competed for viewers...

Agreed!!

@@user-xw5qm6qp2y Yes B5 and there epic battles! I watched it as a kid in the 90s and I was just blew away from the action and the story. One of the best Episodes of B5 (for me) is "Severed Dreams".

The part where the two Galaxy Class ships swooped in and obliterated the Galor Class ship was a freaking amazing start to the battle.

They actually spent months on this, they minimized the effects in other episodes to have the time and budget to produce the battle sequences for the dominion war. That’s why between major battles, they had a wedding, a casino heist, and found time to play a baseball game in the middle of the largest war in Starfleet history. The producers were pretty genius, and the show was so character driven they could get away with it.

@@shamelessnjc Yeah it's amazing how talented the cast and crew were. It's a damn shame they never got a movie.

SEATAC. Seattle-Tacoma.

@@stratfordbaby Check USS Sitak at Memory Alpha. KZfaq won't allow direct link.

Such a bummer they blazed out. But EPIC

@@deaddropsd1972 There Maranda's, cover the holes with duct tape, slap on replicated engines and send them back out with a -B at the end of the registry.

​@@stratfordbabyAs a non-(north) American, thanks for the clarification.

Amazing... I'm stealing this.

Audentes fortunae juvat

You accept you are dead already. You just make sure to take out more of them, before you go down.

Not exactly. For some reason everyone decided to fight without shields. In that respect, even capital ships have the same, possibly worse odds of survival than the peregrine or runabout.

those fighters are automated in the 24th century

@@willt3223 No those are piloted ships. They adopted the same strategy as in ww2 that swarms of small craft could penetrate a large ships defenses and take it out with minimal cost of lives and material. Each starship is a massive expenditure in men and materials but each fighter is just a fraction of a fraction of the same cost.

imagine if instead of a galaxy starship, they had the number of attack wings as crew. so 1 galaxy = 1500 crew? that's 1500 attack wings that can take the place of 1 galaxy ship. i rather have that.

This is something I liked about SS9 for sure. Being a boat nerd, I loved that they continued the TNG tradition of having The Mighty Hood pop up at times, but made it more badass. In TNG she was out in thr sticks, doing imoirtant offscreen work for the most part, and turned up around Enterprised periodically. In DS9 she became a hero ship. Not because she was crewed by the protagonists, but because she did nighty things. Unlike her unhappy predecessor she sailed on favourable winds, at the very spearpoint of the Federation war effort.

CGI was still in it's infancy and they did a mix of that and practical models.

Limited budget and the times, half of the shots used here are reused in the battle for cardassia later.

Like any battle on screen, you are usually not treated to the pre-battle manoeuvres where the fleets jostle for position, attempting to outflank each other and gain advantage. I could well imagine that even in the infinite void of space a large fleet could bring another to battle, particularly when it’s obvious where the other fleet is trying to get to.

@@rrwholloway , for that detail of a battle set up you need Legend Of The Galactic Heroes or maybe Gundam.

​@@rrwholloway Right. Unless you have clearly superior speed and momentum, trying to go around a large defensive force just means you'll get hit in the flanks or rear at a decidedly inconvenient time, especially in space where there's really no terrain to hinder either side. In this case, even if the Starfleet force somehow got around the Dominion one, they'd ultimately be trapped between their pursuers and the upgraded DS9 itself, which we've established as pretty damned capable of holding off an entire fleet for some time.

"Aha! My elaborately cunning plans have succeeded once again!"

You can always trust Garek, provided your interests align. If they do, he's a hell of an asset.

Better have Garak close and as an asset, than to allow him to be unmonitored even for a Moment. Wise decicion by Sisko

I'd rather see the ships than shield blurs everywhere. But that's just me.

@@tails0420ify That's fair. More ships really painted the danger of each large scale battle. When I first saw these fights, my only question was: Why doesn't anyone have their shields up? Never could get over this.

It was a style choice, if there had been shield flares everytime a ship was hit, it would have had to have a seizure warning.

@@philipsnyder1687 lol

It was also a technical thing. They couldn't do shields for a hundred ships ether.

A lot better ! Haven ' t seen it but Discovery seem wrong in so many ways with a Star fleet ship with golden hull and totally different klingons ! I do realise it supposed to be in the far future but the design deviate so much it just does not fit into the Star trek universe . It could have been just called Discovery in like a totally separate series / universe . Sorry i over ranting 🙄 My bad . DS9 is a 90 ' s favorite and quite impressive modelwork . And Star trek TNG was also quite impressive for a TV show even if the morals could be preachy and no - one in the future listens to rock music apparently

​@@cft9798Well a fair chunk of the first season was set in the mirror universe 😁

Much better, pal. Much better.

You can run a jem hadar ship on that too, and Jemmies are disposable

@@Belisaur Yea but flying a Jem'Hadar ship is harder with no damn viewscreen.

BOP's can go into battle with a skeleton crew of 6 not including combat solders can go up to 30. the Jem'Hadar ship requires a flight crew of 12 for operational capacity not including combat soldiers and can go up to 50. according to memory alfa.

Good thing the Enterprise has plot armor then :P

@@jpalmer999 NOT that Will, the other one.

Classic Klingon all the time fighting each other lol

Certainly looked like friendly fire took out that first BoP.

They get a little excited sometimes.

The first one looks like it, I guess it does happen in the heat of battle. It could also have been a polaron torpedo from one of the battlecruisers

This probably shouldn't have resulted in losing a ship, except knowing Klingons they probably routed all rear shield power to the weapons allowing the friendly fire from the rear to take out the whole ship with one hit.

Lol. Lucas had a far larger budget!

All of the previous ones do.

@@g.k.1669 Yeah, sadly it is true. I had high hopes for discovery but it turned into a poorly written love fest for a certain demographic and the show turned to shit as a function of that. poorly written, poorly acted, directed embarrassment.

Afaik the peregrin only had low power phasers and micro photon torps. It's just a shuttle sized fighter after all but en mass their combined firepower can take down starships.

If they were using full sized photons they'd only be able to carry four before running out of ammo. That actually makes perfect sense given the type of historical naval ship they're an analogue for, but, yknow, scifi.

A captain is a flag officer, and Sisko was under the wider command of Vice Admiral Ross, who he became adjutant to immediately after losing DS9. The fleet is technically under Ross, who leads the fleet when they attack Cardassia. Starfleet rarely has Admirals of any level command ships on their own, and Sisko is the commanding officer of DS9 and the Defiant. When discussing the attack plans Sisko and Ross get news that the minefield is coming down, which forced them to assemble whatever they could.

@@SantomPh But he is not just commanding the defiant, the defiant is acting as command ship for the whole fleet here and Ross is nowhere to be seen... Every naval fleet on earth I'd carrying at least a commodore, and that is upwards of 4 ships or so...

@@lhommeaudacieux On a Defiant class ship to boot. You would think he'd at least get a Galaxy class ship without civilians on it.

Fix them then: 6 Lines of code... 👽👽😎🙃🥳🦍

It’s an old hull, only so much you can do to upgrade and retool it.

Would suggest that the power input was so massive that the shields immediately overloaded, as if they weren't there.

By this point in history, the Miranda class was already half a century or more old. It wasn't built for modern combat.

@@terryroraus Miranda had only upgraded phasers and was 100 years old, but Excelsior class had new shields, phasers and quantum torpedos.

@@randomrazr not neccesarrily. Here is one thing. The way computers inzersctvin Star Trek dont allow for thrm not to be AI, so where is a massive amount of AI in all Systems. Usually a ship big enough like the enterprise can pinpoint on a Single subsystem and shoot it out without destroying the ship. Nö way can any gunner do this from a desctop like console... Still they seem to do it. Solution: they only Tell us half the Story as screen time dont allow for unnessesary Details.... Did in the whole TNG and DS9 ever someone use a toilet? - you See.... Where are things untold, but that dont make them not existent. If where are AI powered aiming Systems, they rely hesvily on exact sensor readings. Sensor jamming is more easy for small ship as for big, because AI can extrapolate where the Impulse engine sits if only the End of the starbord warpnacelle gives a exact reding for A Split second. Oops. This means ewar for big sbips makes no sense, its blow against blow between These, but those fighters are another thing, small as they are they can without a Problem jam sensor readings in a bubble and rolling and dangling this bubble around, keeping thrmsrlf inside, means you can extrapolate nothing. In the Scene you See at one point a phaserbesm going out missing a fighter, being not even close and than sweeping around. Still missing, but such maneuver makes absolute no sense if you have accurate readings to even pinpoint subsystems if you want. Solution: as I said where are things untold and as the fighter makes no sense with accurate sensor readings and AI aiming and that sweeping phaserbeam also makes nö sense, the one solution that can explained both things is mostly plausible and that is that Ewar exist and works best for small ships. These guys font need shields, shields would never hold against a capital ship Main Phaser. Their only defense is speed and ewar. "best defense, not be where" some old sense once said. Thats what they do, they Set their ewar to full energy, their engine to full speed and automatic evasion maneuver and than concentrate on Overall direct ion and weapon use. If it gdtscrozgh, fly faster.

It probably the venture which was one of the galaxy classes seen in other episodes. The other I think was the Magellan

They are numerus, can be crewed by a vary small complement, have tons of parts available at the junkyard, modular allowing them to shoot modern photon torpedo's giving them a powerful punch, and agile the only ships when under impulse power capable of keeping up with the defiant class which was in short supply. And lastly not made out of explodium like the obrith class.

This is normal to use red light in Navel combat operations as it is harder light to see in the distance at night making it harder to spot your ship. although having it blink is probably a TV thing. on a side note blue is starting to replace red light to make it easier to read computer displays. Also It is a secondary communication device if you lose communication with other parts of the ship. Cretan sections of a ship are sealed off during combat and you do not open those secured bulkhead doors under those conditions without orders. Having condition status red yellow etc conveys what rules to follow when you are unable to receive direct orders.

the blockade has warp engines, too

Why was a junior Captain running things instead of one of the many many admirals?

And one of those ships, the Reliant, was intimidating in The Wrath of Khan.

Pliny the Elder.

@@stratfordbaby "The phrase is believed to have originated from Terence, a Roman playwright. One of the proverbial phrases in Act 1 of his play Phormio (161 BC) is fortes fortuna adiuvat, or “fortune favors the strong.” The poet Virgil was the first to use the exact phrase audentes Fortuna iuvat (“fortune favors the bold”)."

@@stratfordbaby Right. Nobody seems to remember that :)