Star Trek - Foreign Intervention Speech

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12 жыл бұрын

A Star Trek discussion between Jean-Luc Picard and Beverly Crusher about foreign intervention.
From: Star Trek TNG: 1x22 - Symbiosis

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@TJDious
@TJDious 2 жыл бұрын
On another deck: "Dammit, the turbulent stopped. The captain must be pontificating again."
@pendrake40
@pendrake40 Жыл бұрын
*@Theo Dious ~* Could be worse... What if it was Captain Leeroy Jethro Gibbs (Mark Harmon) of the USS NCIS? The Turbolifts would be stopped for *_hours_* at a time. *;p*
@Ragitsu
@Ragitsu Жыл бұрын
Stop that turbulent!
@stratfordbaby
@stratfordbaby 7 ай бұрын
@@Ragitsu Damned turbulents if they're not breaking down they're stopping for diatribes by the captain.
@steverico3090
@steverico3090 3 жыл бұрын
Picard like "i dont care get us away from these crackheads."
@Howyaduing
@Howyaduing 2 жыл бұрын
“And there dealers…”
@szahmad2416
@szahmad2416 2 жыл бұрын
Ultimately, there will be moments when intervention is laudable and humane, but I applaud the portrayal of the very real tension between the altruistic achievements of intervention vs. non-intervention
@majorlagg9321
@majorlagg9321 3 жыл бұрын
"Jean-Luc can you hold (turbolift stops). Oh, Damn. Resume. We need to change that command to something other than hold. Oh, damn..."
@ninemendoza
@ninemendoza 9 жыл бұрын
:07 tasha yar waves goodbye
@xellestar
@xellestar 5 ай бұрын
lol wtf never noticed that before
@zandernewson9933
@zandernewson9933 5 ай бұрын
Is that a mistake or…foreshadowing for the next episode ??
@zandernewson9933
@zandernewson9933 5 ай бұрын
@@xellestarsame and this is my favourite S1 TNG episode
@xellestar
@xellestar 5 ай бұрын
@@zandernewson9933 apparently that was her final scene filmed
@zandernewson9933
@zandernewson9933 5 ай бұрын
@@xellestar wow that’s sad
@TJDious
@TJDious 2 жыл бұрын
I love Becerly's "I'm upset" expression. She looks like she's been deactivated.
@davidbreen6335
@davidbreen6335 Жыл бұрын
I love the ending Picard was like F-ck it just get Me away from those idiots.
@eternalhalloween1
@eternalhalloween1 7 жыл бұрын
"Symbiosis" remains one of my favorite episodes.
@rhand
@rhand 2 жыл бұрын
Apparently that's Denise Crosby (who had been killed off in a previously aired episode) visible from 0:05 to 0:08 waving to crew and fans.
@ddogg14
@ddogg14 Жыл бұрын
Great spot!! I'd never noticed that before
@TexasNorthDFW
@TexasNorthDFW 8 ай бұрын
She gets killed off in the next episode, but they filmed that episode before they filmed this one.
@dexoearth9167
@dexoearth9167 2 жыл бұрын
0:07 Farewell Tasha, farewell.
@locutus94
@locutus94 10 жыл бұрын
This is more relevant now than ever before.
@locutus94
@locutus94 2 жыл бұрын
I come here, 6 years later, to emphasize how fucking relevant this scene is...
@natkojurdana9673
@natkojurdana9673 2 жыл бұрын
@@locutus94 And I totally fucking agree with you :)
@natesit7169
@natesit7169 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely
@mastercdizzle3743
@mastercdizzle3743 Жыл бұрын
No one notice Yasha Yar waving goodbye to everyone in the background, this was her last scene
@mamster233
@mamster233 11 ай бұрын
She decided to leave. It was Denise Crosby's choice
@compmanio36
@compmanio36 Жыл бұрын
I love how Lower Decks follows up this episode. They did, in fact, get over it. After years of rampant violence and being crazy psychopaths they turned into a society of crossfitters.
@michaelwoolley7034
@michaelwoolley7034 Жыл бұрын
Meanwhile the suppliers planet was invaded by the Breen
@treasuresnpain3567
@treasuresnpain3567 2 жыл бұрын
The greatest TV show ever made.
@richardhalligan7900
@richardhalligan7900 4 жыл бұрын
Crusher: I hope you are right Picard: Of course I'm Right, I'm the Captain
@paulhunter6742
@paulhunter6742 Жыл бұрын
Symbiosis remains one better episodes of first Season of Star Trek-TNG. A planet full of drugs addicts predators by planet full of drug pushers. Capt Picard was right NOT to interfere as either way Federation would been seen as bad guys in situation.
@josephpaolilli9229
@josephpaolilli9229 Жыл бұрын
That's exactly right! There was no upside for the Federation in the big picture. If Enterprise intervened on behalf of the addicts, the providers would have seen the Entrprise/Federation meddling, and not their own shortsighted greed, as the cause of their loss. If they provided support to enable the unhealthy and unsustainable relationship, when it finally does break down, or when the addicts finally manage to break the cylcle, the addicts would be angry with the Federation for knowingly enabling the relationship to continue so much longer than it needed to and not intervening on their behalf. Eitherway, the Federation would be the bad guy. The relationship was unsustainable, Picard knew that and didnt need to tell them that, nature would do it for him. A win for all involved to any who dare to see.
@Jayteaseepiirturi
@Jayteaseepiirturi 7 ай бұрын
Is there anyone who doesn't get a perverse pleasure out of the Prime Directive being shoved down the Brekkians' throats in the end - especially after Langor's smug smile earlier? At this moment I don't remember all the ins and outs of this episode as it's been a while since I watched it... but I remember agreeing with Picard's decision and being sort of baffled that Beverly couldn't grasp it. There was so much heart in it. This was a great insight into the Prime Directive. It's not just a set of rules; it's a philosophy - and a very correct one. Another thing that comes to mind: Maybe Beverly hasn't really seen addiction before but Picard has?
@tillmanxl6914
@tillmanxl6914 Ай бұрын
Andrew Anglin sent me it's 6-5-24 👍🏻😊
@paulkersey8626
@paulkersey8626 Ай бұрын
Hey there fellow traveler! “Always remember, others may hate you, but those who hate you don’t win unless you hate them, and then you destroy yourself.” ~Richard Nixon
@kgohel452
@kgohel452 5 жыл бұрын
Many don't agree with the Prime Directive. I'm not one of them. I agree very much with it. However, one must use intelligence also, and realise that under certain conditions, the Prime Directive can and should b suspended -but only after very careful thought and deliberations.
@AapoJoki
@AapoJoki 3 жыл бұрын
In S7E13 "Homeward", Picard interprets the Prime Directive to an insanely fundamentalist degree. Here, he argues that the purpose of the Prime Directive is to protect these cultures, to prevent disaster. But in that episode, he's willing to let an entire culture be destroyed by a natural disaster, because evacuating them would expose them to the Starfleet. The Prime Directive is supposed to allow less advanced civilizations to "grow naturally". But what part of being totally annihilated is supposed to be "natural growth"?
@azuretiger-kfpmarketingstr6018
@azuretiger-kfpmarketingstr6018 3 жыл бұрын
@@AapoJoki TNG gets wonky with the PD sometimes, which is one of the series flaws as much as I love it. Now, I'm not an anthropologist, but I think one of the things they try to get to with the moral dilemma of exposing a primitive culture to and advance one is how well said culture would adjust if at all, or whether they would potentially go insane. It can depend on the tech gap too, but I think one side of the argument is that it would be better to let said culture go in a peace that they know over a potential nightmare that they don't. I at least grant that it's a moral gray, and that one way to look at the PD is that there may have been a legal precedent that defers to non-interference as a general rule for the sake of consistency in regards to Starfleet procedure. The show kind of sways around, but realistically there should still be case by case judgement calls.
@14s0cc3r14
@14s0cc3r14 3 жыл бұрын
In other words, you don’t agree with it.
@SteveSilverActor
@SteveSilverActor 3 жыл бұрын
History is littered not only with the negative consequences of foreign intervention, but also with the consequences of inaction. If the world had intervened earlier in the case of Nazi Germany, many millions of lives might have been saved. The ethical and legal questions are when and under what circumstances intervention is not only permitted, but compelled.
@Red__Law
@Red__Law 2 жыл бұрын
Difference is Germany was not a less developed civilization. It suffered hardship after the treaty of Versaille took effect, but from the mid 1920s it still had a functioning democracy and much of its prosperity was restored. The crash of '29 was the trigger that led to the rise of Hitler.
@Eric1-373
@Eric1-373 2 жыл бұрын
If the U.S. had not gotten involved in WWI, then there would have been no WWII. So yah intervention is a bad idea all around.
@williamsweeney3215
@williamsweeney3215 Жыл бұрын
@@Eric1-373 you cannot know that for sure also Japan attacking Pearl Harbor had a lot to do with the US saying that it.
@Eric1-373
@Eric1-373 Жыл бұрын
@@williamsweeney3215 Why so obtuse? Germany would not have have had Hitler or National Socialism. There for no alliance with Japan. Which the U.S. would only have fought Japan, because there would be no European Second world war. The Entire world has to be involved to have a world war, yah know. I would also hazard to speculate that Japan would be crushed very fast, due to the U.S putting all it's effort into that front and Russia too since again, no over turn of the Old German power structor. Did you know the Germans in WWI before the U.S. got involved offered a peace treaty that said lets put all the boarders back the way they were and pretend this never happen. No change to status before war. By the Americans getting involved, it caused the British not to come to the peace table and it kept the war going. Need I go on?
@juliandacosta6841
@juliandacosta6841 Жыл бұрын
@@williamsweeney3215 not sure what that guy was on about, the us not being there means that at the talks after the war, instead of WW letting british and french punish the central powers in exchange for creating the league of nations, they just have no one they need to argue with and can do what they want anyway. The biggest change is the war being extended by a year at most.
@Walrus1701D
@Walrus1701D Жыл бұрын
How did Tasha beat Picard and Dr. Crusher to the bridge, and after her farewell wave?? 😅
@davetardis5716
@davetardis5716 2 жыл бұрын
How big is the Enterprise considering the amount of time the turbo lift takes to get where its going. Even before Picard stopped the lift it had been going for a while.
@Helbore
@Helbore Жыл бұрын
Its big. Like, really fucking big. There are some good videos out there that demonstrate just how ridiculously big the Enterprise-D is. To put it at is simplest, we only ever saw about 10% of the ship during the show. That ship is fucking massive!
@ghostrider-be9ek
@ghostrider-be9ek Жыл бұрын
@@Helbore isnt the saucer section something like 300m across and 100m high?
@Voltaic_Fire
@Voltaic_Fire 3 жыл бұрын
For a moment there, despite seeing this episode a couple of times, I thought it was going to be an intervention speech in another language. Maybe I got hit it in the head without realising it.
@yohenson
@yohenson Жыл бұрын
this is classic father/parent and child complex: father=control of fellicium vs son: suffers if not given his wishes. prime directive: how to educate your son better. so rather than just spoiling him and making him dependent on his parents-he should dis-attach his child from these primal egotistic urges(the yearn for fellicium) and let him pave his own way, be IN-dependent. which is only possible through dis-enchantment. this classic case is why it is such a good episode, because this mythology echoes in our life, and how we live our lives. but you need to be a parent to realize this, probably.
@AYDTMAN72
@AYDTMAN72 3 жыл бұрын
This was such a great show. On par with the original series. Dare I say, maybe a little better. This coming from a hard core fan of the original series.
@eagleschick95
@eagleschick95 12 жыл бұрын
They were just extremely confused about the prime directive! They never really got it right! LOL
@Emp6ft10in
@Emp6ft10in 6 жыл бұрын
Like most philosophical concepts, on paper everything seems so clear. But in practical life it’s amazing how fast the lines get blurred.
@williamsweeney3215
@williamsweeney3215 Жыл бұрын
@@Emp6ft10in exactly on paper they are just words. In life in order to enact you have to do so while affecting life and so they run to their ship to hide as to not see the pain that the directive allows to continue. In an episode words adoptive brother begs Picard to save as many ppl on a doomed planet and ultimately Picard says no and hide behind the PD. I get the do not interfere in political issues but to have the ability to save lives but not to because of some bullshit policy is cowardly.
@xkm-thebasetecchannel3823
@xkm-thebasetecchannel3823 2 жыл бұрын
The famous waving Tasha Yar, cool.
@jasonmah5443
@jasonmah5443 10 жыл бұрын
Horaciosi, to take Iraq and Afghanistan as a example, anytime when we decide to interfere in a civilization, we dont know what the repercussions will be. We thought we were bringing democracy and peace to iraq in 2003, flashfoward 2014, it is in teh midst of sectarian civil war. In the course of helping people, we have caused greater violence, throught Iraq, and the middleeast. Picard's speech is not about not helping people, but to understand our actions have other actions. Does any American feel great about our actions in Iraq, now that they are on a path towards total civil war.
@qdllc
@qdllc 2 жыл бұрын
Not to go political, but America's reasons (our leaders' reasons) for getting in to Iraq and Afghanistan has NOTHING to do with bringing democracy and peace...that was the sales pitch to the public. Sadly, this has happened again and again in history around the world.
@ghostrider-be9ek
@ghostrider-be9ek Жыл бұрын
not one of the 'elites' thought they were bringing 'democracy' into Iraq - that was the BS the media was asked to put out. Even the evil dick cheney stated in the early 90s that iraq was a quagmire and was best to stay away from, after GW1. They knew toppling a stong man would result in decades of sectarian war and chaos.
@impassable
@impassable 4 жыл бұрын
Crusher is always right
@icantthinkofanything798
@icantthinkofanything798 3 жыл бұрын
Beverly is the right one, and Picard is the one that keeps asserting that when you break the rules for the right reasons everything somehow goes wrong
@marjanp
@marjanp 3 жыл бұрын
@@icantthinkofanything798 The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
@szahmad2416
@szahmad2416 2 жыл бұрын
@@icantthinkofanything798 nah...Picard got it right. Among other things, you're making the assumption that everything would have gone right for the species after they were off of those drugs, rather than the very real likelihood that things could have gone really badly for them in ways that the Federation never intended.
@pwnmeisterage
@pwnmeisterage Жыл бұрын
"... the Prime Directive is not just a set of _rules_ - it is a _philosophy_ ..." I understand the writers need to justify their narrative, to keep the audience informed on their topic. But I thought every Starfleet officer was thoroughly indoctrinated on the Prime Directive. Study for years, read and write essays, engage in debate. To understand the complex ethical, philosophical, legal questions and their answers. To cite history and specific examples of the successes, failures, lessons, reasons, exceptions. This is basic stuff every Academy grad knows, it's not restricted information taught at Command School. So to me it seems like every time a lofty command officer starts spouting lofty Prime Directive talk, it's really a form of narcissism or reprimand or insult to the subordinates.
@andersonn
@andersonn Жыл бұрын
I always saw it more as officers having a varied opinion on the prime directive. Some believe it to be right while others may have their qualms, even if they are well trained on it.
@pwnmeisterage
@pwnmeisterage Жыл бұрын
@@andersonn Everyone has an opinion. Especially on such a generalized and controversial topic which could (and should) be interpreted in different ways, which can't be blindly applied to every situation or context. But of course the opinion of the highest ranking command officer is the one which carries all the weight. I understand the captain might have to justify his decisions to his superior officers. I don't understand why he should have to do so to his subordinate officers - unless he is basically just waving his authority around to demonstrate a personal point. I imagine his decision would not be absolute, it would (eventually) be subject to review and possible re-evaluation. There must be official protocols to allow the doctor (or any other officer) to challenge the captain's decision without challenging his command authority.
@Maverickgrindstar
@Maverickgrindstar Жыл бұрын
Yeah... how many times did Kirk say fuck the Prime Directive?
@op_snooze
@op_snooze 3 жыл бұрын
My problem with this logical statement was Beverly was not advocating for changing their culture, or the outcome it was for making the transition less painful for them. Picard says it will pass in time, and then argues against himself by asking for how long. You just said it would pass in time, so you can't acknowledge impermanence against permanence. Either the relief condition is temporary or it is not. You need to pick a position before beginning your argument. And that doesn't make the statement invalid, but it does make it ethically unsupportable by any logical human being.
@troyjollimore4100
@troyjollimore4100 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe go and watch the episode before spouting off with a 'holier than thou' argument.
@aznsbd
@aznsbd 3 жыл бұрын
Pain is a good teacher.
@bojanb4764
@bojanb4764 2 жыл бұрын
Picard said that it would pass in time, didn't say how long it would take. You're overanalyzing the comment.
@bulldog300
@bulldog300 6 жыл бұрын
I don't feel back for the people about to go through withdrawal. I feel bad for the people who only made and exported one resource, whose quick coming economic collapse will be tragic and costly.
@pwnmeisterage
@pwnmeisterage 6 жыл бұрын
There's always plenty of Orion Syndicates and Harry Mudds hovering near the edges of Federation space and they're always willing to opportunistically help out struggling businesses with some "creative logistics" ... for a small percentage. So don't feel bad for the Brekkian drug lords, their life of easy luxury is hardly threatened - it's liberated from reliance on incompetent felicium-addicted Ornaran freighter crews, indeed, new business partners might even be able to increase product demand by expanding into new markets.
@stevegreedo5687
@stevegreedo5687 3 жыл бұрын
Ya kinda missed the whole point of the episode.
@Archaedin
@Archaedin 3 жыл бұрын
In other words, you don't feel bad for the people who were tricked into becoming addicted to a drug that cured their illness, and told by their drug dealers that the withdrawal pains were because they had to keep taking said drug. No, you feel bad for the poor drug dealers who now have to actually make a living that doesn't involve manufacturing that drug.
@szahmad2416
@szahmad2416 2 жыл бұрын
I hope this is a joke, and if so, kudos. If not, it's kind of the reverse of what a decent civilized human being should feel, but you do you. I imagine there's a drug dealer culture somewhere, cut off from civilization, where this is considered a truly moral outrage, and not satirically.
@bulldog300
@bulldog300 2 жыл бұрын
@@szahmad2416 Do you think the entire planet knows the whole situation? In the episode it took Starfleet's greatest minds to piece together that the treatment was actually an addictive substance. Imagine spending decades of your life making a product you thought was helping people only to realize that not only is that a lie, but your economy is just...gone. The ensuing power vacuum and civil war will kill millions, and without external aid they will be far worse than the people who have to go through withdrawal for a few weeks and then be largely unfazed (and wouldn't even have to suffer that if they had just listened) either economically or socially.
@Zoltar0
@Zoltar0 11 жыл бұрын
No one said anyone was going to die. If you want to talk about death, on ST Enterprise they condemned the Valakian to death because of their genetic predisposition. non interference with pre warp civilizations
@paulhunter6742
@paulhunter6742 Жыл бұрын
I loved episode where Riker was injured on alien planet where he was seen as alien. He tried to escape by convincing a nurse in hospital who wanted have sex with alien😆😂🤣
@followerofjulian1652
@followerofjulian1652 3 жыл бұрын
Sanctimonious claptrap!
@williamsweeney3215
@williamsweeney3215 Жыл бұрын
Prime directive has it good points but I thinks it’s mostly bullshit.
@SmartassX1
@SmartassX1 2 жыл бұрын
Boo! I would be looking for excuses to intervene. And if there would be no reason, I would "find" a reason.
@ryanm7263
@ryanm7263 3 жыл бұрын
1988: "Let's use science fiction to explore philosophical concepts and how they might apply to future moral dilemmas." 2021: "omg picard is mansplaining and this show should be taken off the air forever."
@Saint_hova
@Saint_hova 3 жыл бұрын
"said not a single human ever"
@horaciosi
@horaciosi 12 жыл бұрын
Great lesson: When you have the power to save people that are about to suffer a horrible death......don't help them. Umm.....TNG in his early years was a bit selfish, don't you think?
@Howyaduing
@Howyaduing 3 жыл бұрын
In this case if the federation refused to help two groups of people who lost the ability and knowledge to repair and maintain their interplanetary ships. If they did they would only continued the exploitation of one group of people who were under the control of another rich and spoiled people through the uses of a a drug narcotic that was believed to cure the poor from a disease however it was only withdraw. They also would have them a fake drug that would ease their withdrawal symptoms without pain. The captain refused to help because it was an internal matter that the federation didn’t have jurisdiction over nor needed to get involved. Despite not helping them with the drug he did refused to repair their ships so the shipments of the drug with cease there by allowing the poor to go to a long painful detox that would read them of their need for the drug and the rich from exploiting them in return. Thus allowing both parties to learn to sustain themselves with out one on top of other. So no one was going to die by not helping out any further then they already have but they would start to limp along the way form them to stand on their own two feet.
@szahmad2416
@szahmad2416 2 жыл бұрын
For anyone who has looked at the history of humans when they "help" each other, no, not really.
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