Beautifully said. So much of my morals come from watching that show as a child and it has acted like a vaccine to protect me from all the rageful nonsense infecting the United States now.

Amen.

You and me both, I still remember watching this scene when I was about 10 or 11.

@@TiberiusPine But based on your comment, you were not protected from having the perceptual view of what you are referring to as "nonsense". Clearly you missed the message from Mr. Spock.

@@gxlorp: The message from Spock was that they/we are all the same. If you think that is what people (particularly in America) believe now, you’re sadly mistaken, and it’s clearly you who missed the message.

What!!!?? Cant you see it? Are you blind? He is white on the right side! The right side, for God's sake. He is not like me, he is an animal.

Well said.

@@KingoftheJuice18 1:50 That fellow did a great job of acting. He is so very worked up; distraught, annoyed, and angry that the people who are not like him but are rather the mirror image of himself they are the reason life is not great for him. It is all those white on wrong side people's fault. Scapegoat like Hitler and the Jews. This actor reminds me of the way Hitler worked himself up into an intense state when he spoke. A+ for that actor lol fantastic very memorable performance.

@@nycinstyle That actor was the very talented Frank Gorshin who also played The Riddler in the 1960s Batman TV series.

@@KingoftheJuice18 I still remember watching this as a kid. The actor's intense, hateful tone when speaking and his facial expressions are terrific. Gorshin was a real pro. I agree. Nimoy and Shatner are seemingly holding in nervous laughter like saying, "take it easy, man; wtf?!". Gorshin's performance is so spot on and reminiscent of a raging lunatic.

This is how it should be done. Rather than hese days where ots just preaching and telling everyone they are horrible racists when they have done anything.

Much the same was done about racism, in a more humorous way, on an episode of the TV show Third Rock From The Sun. The aliens can't even begin to understand what racism is. When told that one woman is black, an alien turns towards another woman(who is obviously not black) and asks, "and you are...?" The woman replies, "could I be any whiter?!?" The alien grows more and more frustrated and confused as the humans try to explain racism. Exasperated, he finally declares that he could understand dividing people on the basis of political philosophy, educational background, etc., "but skin pigmentation; give me a break!"

the part when the two aliens wrestle and nearly destroy the ship to the horror of the bridge crew makes them more similar than they like to admit. As Spock points out they are both extreme viewpoints of the same spectrum and no logic can come out of whatever they say. They are not only opposed physically but also due to view points that can never converge. The Commissioner is a law and order man who cannot understand Lokai's people but is blindly dedicated to his government's story about them, while Lokai is the kind of person who can never be satisfied with the status quo and will always create anarchy even in peacetime. the beta canon (novels) expand on this, with Seven of Nine time traveling back to their planet (and being Borg, also doesn't really understand why they discriminate). We learn that the side Commissioner Bele is on developed a weapon to kill Lokai's people only to release it prematurely, killing everyone on the planet. This is one of those "they will never learn" people

Why do White people “tan”?

@@zhain0 you sound like a crybaby.

A couple of cast members from the 1960s Batman were in Star Trek TOS, Julie Newmar, Yvonne Craig and Lee Meriwether. Casts of Catwoman and Batgirl.

yeah he is both of my parent's favorite actor and I think he is awesome in all the stuff I saw him in as in Also Buck Rogers as Kellog "Plot to Kill a City". Lou Antonio is also a great actor in this, I also saw him in Night Gallery and Gunsmoke, he is also a director in Night Gallery he directed the one he was in.

Well put.

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The only civilization to ever invent the video camera and waterproof flat screen display before the mirror.

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YOU win a cookie!

And the one ten seconds later "... Ah, so /that's/ what's wrong with him. Hoooo boy."

Thats a 'get the fuck off of my ship' moment

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He was also a misogynist and a sexist. Marina Sirtis called him a "dirty old man." Honestly go digging and you'll find some of the crew of TOS and TNG aren't as keen on him as popular belief would make you think. Gene was a great visionary, but a deeply flawed person.

The final form of the Cheronians, and the philosophical dimension to their appearance, was far more the work of Oliver Crawford and probably David Gerrold, who was doing some uncredited rewriting work for Star Trek that season, rather than Gene Roddenberry. Roddenberry's original idea was a very tired trope in which the Enterprise finds a planet where whites were enslaved by blacks, essentially role-reversal. Fortunately, saner heads prevailed.

Still, at the end of the day, all it comes down to is the tired old "group A hates group B because of what they look like" which is a very convenient political slogan but sadly one that has nothing to do with reality. People don't hate others because of their appearance, they hate them because of their *actions.* That's why hardly anybody in the West has any trouble with Asians whereas the negative sentiment towards blacks prevails-even though members of both these groups look completely different to whites. That's not PC to say that but I'm not one to say things that will score me points on Tumblr.

You do realise you're totally full of bullshit, don't you Yarpen?

LordZontar "Fuck, another SOB ruining my perfectly convenient worldview... How do I counter him? Logical arguments? Like what, he's saying the truth after all... oh, I'll just badmouth him and maybe he won't reply."

How come Blacks make the best sprinters and NBA players?

@@matthewplaysgames4752 How come Whites make best Hockey players and bowlers?

racism is not stupid.

There is no racism and that I see in the episode stop putting your spin on things that don't need to be changed no one called anyone out of their name on this episode

Tell that to everyone hating white people.

Oh Hue!

No half white below the waist..LOL

Actually, I've since heard from semi-official sources that the two races were NOT inter-fertile.

DefiantBoris LOL! Great pun!

Are their things black on one side and white on the other? Do the women on Cheron have one black labium and one white labium? Or one black boob and one white boob? No, of course not. they're all dead.

Much better than John Astin, though not to take away from John Astin, he just wasn't suited to be the Riddler. He was a Medical Examiner on MacMillian and Wife and Gomez Addams on the Addams Family. A great actor.

And Spock's just like "Naw, I got nothin'."

Whereas Spock gives a return look saying "I am hoping that your often irrational but yet surprisingly acute perspective from an emotional point of view might gain us some insight"

+The Face of The Alphabet Depends on what you mean. The vulcans don't just having a superiority complex, they are difinitvely smarter and stronger... and the writers and fans will back me up on that.

i don't think anyone would dispute the clear superiority the Vulcan people have over humans and most other common trek races.

The Face of The Alphabet they are not entirely superior... they do have flaws.

I mean, can you even call them "racist" when they dont belong to the same species?

ntdonat A superiority complex is not the same as actually being superior

Yes, same actor. :-)

Good eye! Yes it is

+ajay999999 Yes, and this role plus others such as Seton Kellogg in "Buck Rogers: The Plot To Kill A City" display Gorshin's superb versatility.

Yes that is Frank Gorshin

One of them, John Astin also played the "Riddler" on the 60's Batman sitcom.

That is so true.

" Race is a social construct and so is racism." except it isnt and it is obvious to everyone with 2 brain cells and knowledge of elementary school level biology

I think he means race as it is generally used. Our race is called the Human Race. And the vast majority of the human race is mixed genetically on some level. And if you go back far enough we all come from the same initial source. KZfaq search Edward James Olmost at the UN. He explains it better.

It's a little more complicated than that. Yes all humans share common ancestry if you go back far enough....but then humans began to migrate in different directions, resulting in separation into different parts of the globe. This isolation, over thousands of years, resulted in the development of different physical characteristics, along with different cultures and values as well. It is possible to acknowledge and talk about these differences without discriminating against anyone. Just like it's possible to acknowledge the differences between men and women without discriminating against either.

The key words in this entire video are "inferior breed."

"Ahead of its time"? Hardly. It came along exactly when it did, right on time.

@@billwhite9703 it's a bit of both.

@@connormacleod4922 nonsense. It was just one of if not the first to get things in that direction so to speak. There is no such thing as "ahead of time" if people knew that the concepts of race and prejudice were stupid to begin with.

@@anthonygarcia8749 Racism never went away, in fact it's more popular than ever. If anything the writers were aback of their time, not ahead. Today segregation is becoming popular again in America, progressive universities are taking the lead. All this "we're the same" is boomer talk from a time when some confused Christian [[male]] stammered about not wanting his kids judged by the color of their skin or some rubbish. But guess what: Not caring about skin color and racial identity above everything else means that YOU have problems, not us normal folks. Finally society has realized it. And no amount of equal rights bla bla from senile conservatives is going to stop us this time.

Upon first viewing I didn't think it was that great an episode. What it had to say seemed a bit heavy-handed or silly. Upon reflection now, it's not one I want to see over and over, but I do like to see the scenes of their arguments, much like I enjoy the discussions with Khan in "Space Seed" though I don't think that's a great episode either. In college I bought a third of the episodes (27) on VHS. I'd say these two were second tier at best.

Yeah. Reminds me of Pleasantville. That place was in black and white, until some people began to display natural colours. ... They tried to cover it up with grey make-up. And it didn't take long for signs to appear at the bar, "no coloreds". Which was to be taken in the literal sense of the word in this case.

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@@australianhuntanstuff LOL you poor soul.. The joke went over your head. Whoooosh.

@@Petra44YT Damn, that sounds crazy! Going to put that on my watch list 😉

@@axel4196 it's a good watch.

Lythya it's excellent.

It really is written better than people give it credit for I think. This is exactly how bigots play it, first counting on the system to not even question them, then complain that their victims are working the system against them, then finally justifying everything with the outright loathing.

thats one of the epic things about Star trek , a world where 2 men on the other side of the table from different planets hearing that both respond that way an in face consider themselves brothers

They likely didn’t even notice themselves that Lokai and the Commissioner had inverted skin tones to each side of each other

Way under appreciated. At the time it was made. Spocked

Both Kirk and Spock have a "I don't get it" expression. Spock's logic must have been like, "to use a human phrase....WTF."

yeah, like your weight, tubby.

Which half?

"by all sides..." uh huh

Only one side is doing a racism in any meaningful capacity. The other side pushing back against them are trying to end racism. Making both sides look equally bad only helps the bad side.

Or to a black guy

True, most things are not so 'black and white' to pun the phrase. Racial tensions are usually just cultural tensions, and only the superficial aspect of race gets focused on. But I still think this ST episode had the right idea in making this species' internal conflict all about race, because I think the intention was to soely address racism as a thing. It can still exist independently in people even when there are no cultural biases present. Some people in the world genuinely just don't like those that look different from themselves.

Devin Drew Fuck you and your opinion, I won't let love change who I am. If someone is different in a way I don't like, I AM going to vent my anger on them.

+Alexander Lysberg More is the pity.

+Devin Drew So close, right up until you condoned the death of an entire race of people.

+thcollegestudent You mean condoning the death of an entire race of TV people. So far, I've never ran across any race that ever did that to them self's or others. Besides, I made that quote out of a Star Trek book.

Still is, sadly.

I love how dismissive he is and appalled he gets at the thought.

Races ARE different. Look at Europe. Look at Africa. Look at the Euro cities with lots of Africans moved there. Look at those cities beforehand. REALITY.

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😥 Leonard Nimoy rest in peace as you were

It doesn't really matter. The alien world was already dead, they had all murdered each other long ago.

***** They did? Wow, I have to watch that episode again, it's been so long, I've forgotten many of the details. My comment was based on the video posted on KZfaq. Thanks for cluing me in, ;)

Yep... they get back to find their world in ashes due to catastrophic race war, Kirk offers them both asylum, since they have nothing to return to and there's no point in continuing their conflict, but they beam down instead to presumably finish one another off. "It makes no sense...!" Uhura exclaims, shocked and bewildered. Sulu says "Their world is dead... does it even matter anymore which of them was right?"Spock shakes his head with subtle sadness. "All that matters to them now, is their hate." Uhura asks "Do you suppose it's all they ever had?" Spock says "No.... but it is all they have left". Those are powerful words even now, but at a time of major race riots and bloody social upheavals they must have been downright chilling. The episode wasn't merely a condemnation of racism, it was a stark warning about the bloody consequences of such conflicts if they do not end in forgetting the past and making peace as equals.

Because some believe that to change who they are is a loss. A capitulation and sacrifice, or a even a violation, of all they have been up to then. It is ego death, and they fear the loss of self and identity as much as they would fear the end of life.

This is Bele, unless you believe Lokai always refers to himself in the third person.

@@jjohnston94 The fact that he confused the two makes his argument more relevant.

Actually, F. Gorshin's portrayal was of Bele, and the other actor's (whose name I cans L can't remember) was Lokai in this episode.

No Time Like the Past. Read that recently. Not the worst bit of time-travel fanfic I've read.

Gorshin was dead by then, no? and it's impossible to imagine any 2 other actors in these roles imho, but in theory would have been fascinating.

David Bloyd How many times will we make this mistake...